The Syndicate

Ok, I'm reading Invictius ISO, and I change my mind. Nanook is not scum.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:06 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:01 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:33 pm

NANOOK I'M WAVING MY ARMS I'M TOWN YOU KNOW I'M TOWN, ARE YOU TOWN??? Please let me know in a way where I have no doubt. No pressure.

Just checking that we still have 24 hours. Yay.

Cfd cfd cfd

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:08 am The other thing with lc is

When Alison did her thing to try and make herself look town by scumreading seth then quick changing it to a townread, lc went right after it

Tbf it was a teammate read but still, don't think Alison's partner needs to try and blow up her spot like that

I also liked LC's "Watch who you're accusing here!" to Gavial, when Gavial was throwing shade his way after Invictius was dead. I don't really think LC talks that way to confirmed town at that point. I find it hard to suspect LC.

And yes, he's right. I remember it as it being possible that he would be yeeted. But I may be wrong. But Invictius was certainly supporting a flow in that direction.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:42 am I'm pretty sure it's between hk and dizzy

I'm looking at how plat treated everyone, I think he was more than likely actually trying to get lc dead, or it looked like that to me at least, and his dk read looks like a classic "I'm gonna come in and tr two townies arguing cause it'll look good for me later" move to me

Tbh if dk went that hard d1 I'm kinda fine losing to it atp

I initially thought plat and hk's back and forth looked pretty good for hk, but on reread its kinda meh and feels a bit forced. Hard to tell how much of that is just plat having an awkward "ah yes I'm being suspected this is good actually" and how much it's partners doing theater

Dizzy is kinda meh, I dont reallllly think he's mafia if im being honest, but I don't love the way he's handled my slot, and he's seemed like he's been trying to keep the poe fairly wide, so meh, he's fine on tone but thats not really enough atp

So my poe is dizzy and hk, lock it in

I actually never read the HK/Invictius back and forth.

I think saying I have tried to keep an open PoE is missing the mark by huge amounts. I feel exactly the opposite. It's just that the PoE I had (which was pretty much JJJ/Tony) didn't solve it. I also didn't even know Invictius was Plat when I first started, something Jimmay didn't even bring up, so there's a pretty duh hint right there.

But to be fair, I'm not sold on you at all right now. I don't really know what to do with that but bide my time until I finally do more work.

I'm sorry, but there's too much mafia in my life now. But that's no fault of none of you.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:13 am I think Invictius's and JJJ"s ISOs spew Nanook town.

Invictius laid the groundwork for us chopping Nanook at endgame. JJJ intentionally hedged his language surrounding Nanook, and with hindsight of JJJ's flip, it's clear that his casing was used to establish WIFOM.

I really should find time to do this iso shit. My motivation is zero right now. But we do have 24 hours +, I believe.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:04 pmSo what do you think the circumstances are that made it a scummy, partnered response?

I got a creepy feeling in the back of my head. That is literally it. I also got a creepy feeling when LC, as I saw it, tried to buddy me in his response. I went to look at that, but then I found another post which I liked for him (talking openly about not wanting to kill Fingers). There's no huge line or train of thought here, if that was not clear. So I can't give you that.

Nearest thing would be that you would want to put distance between you and Jimmay, because you want to do that in general, and the tone between you just ticked me off. But I haven't reread it, I don't know how much I agree with myself past my initial, admittedly pretty small impression.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:44 pmIt's something I prod him about every game

And, I mean, what do you think happened here? Jay said in scum chat "hey I'm gonna do an analysis of your interactions, respond to it by needling me" and then i...didn't wait for him to do it?

Like

What world does this make sense for us to be teammates in, explain it

No, that's not what I think happened obv. I just didn't like it there and then when I read your interactions. Sue me.

I'll think on it. I'll think on stuff. Do the same.

In fact, that was the solution in this game as well. Goes to show - Always just yeet Alison.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:29 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:14 pm
I don't think anyone else is mafia.

[VOTE: Alison, Gambit Demon] aubergine

AHHHHHHNOOOOOOOOOOO

But it's not a strong case or reasoning. And I haven't went back to look over things.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:26 pmWhat about me and Jay's interactions make you think he wasn't trying to get me dead?

It was more that you jumped on him for not having a right analysis of you, when he didn't even have an analysis of you yet.
It's not about what Jimmay said. I didn't care much about what he said.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:09 pm @Dyslexicon why do you think I'm mafia

I don't think anyone else is mafia.

Creepy feels between you and Jimmay.

Anyway. I'm going to bed.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:11 pmOk, ill rephrase

I don't understand what you're annoyed by
1. Game not being over.
2. I'm tired.
3. You repeating you do what you want when you want, cause it makes me roll my eyes.
4. Your apparent scum read-ish of me, cause I don't want to deal regardless of your alignment.
1 and 2 not my fault

3 meh get over it

4 literally the entire game is voting me, I think you can manage

I know.

I do every time.

Lol fair

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:11 pmOk, ill rephrase

I don't understand what you're annoyed by

1. Game not being over.
2. I'm tired.
3. You repeating you do what you want when you want, cause it makes me roll my eyes.
4. Your apparent scum read-ish of me, cause I don't want to deal regardless of your alignment.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:07 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:03 pmI don't understand what your issue is but ok
No issue really. But you are kind of annoying sometimes in games. You know that. In any case, investigate what you must and want and get back to me about your thought process as me in your PoE. I can engage with that.
I don't think I'm being annoying

It's not for you to think.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:03 pmI don't understand what your issue is but ok

No issue really. But you are kind of annoying sometimes in games. You know that. In any case, investigate what you must and want and get back to me about your thought process as me in your PoE. I can engage with that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:59 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:55 pmI'm gonna do whatever I feel like doing tbh
Yeah, we've heard that. It's not very interesting anymore.
Doesn't make it not true

You know my town game

You know how many fucks I give about people telling me what to do lol

Gurl, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm saying that you should do a good if you're town, cause I think you should. Nothing to really read into. I don't know why you feel the need to say over and over again that you're so bad ass and care if you care. If you in fact are town and feel inspired to solve the game like you said - go ahead and please do that. And do it correctly, preferably.

I'll see if I feel like doing the same thing.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:55 pmI'm gonna do whatever I feel like doing tbh

Yeah, we've heard that. It's not very interesting anymore.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:53 pmYeah probably

Just you tho

Bring it, Brenda!

Or like, what's up. If you are town, you should do a good thing.

My memory is actually not terrible. OH YES. You were tracker. Jeez. I remember now. Sorry. Probably because I was so sure you were town, you weren't in my mind that much. =p

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:45 pm I survived until the end of the GoC, Dizzy.

I am town. I think it's Nanook or Syn, because Dizzy and HK do look great.

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Wat. My memory is terrible. I'm sorry!

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

OR AM I

Yes.

Hollow is the one I'm most sure is town. If that is a pocket, it's the most comfortable pocket yet.

Also, sorry spf for straying a bit on my read on you/not caring enough.

I haven't revisited Koba/Syn either. Cause I don't want to.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:31 pm wait no, not nanook?
dude has been like ultra disinterested in everything the entire game. I guess if wolves were invictius/nanook/alison(jjj) the nanook/jjj interplay is theater but doesn't read like theater?
it might explain tho why nanook has been so hands off though, everything kinda went to shit for wolves after N1

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Nanook/JJJ being theatre is the reason I turn my head to Nanook. But he derped like super derp at one point. I'm not sure if Nanook would fake derp as wolf, but I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. He's going to be all sour about me suspecting him. Watch.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:49 pmI still see fingersplints as the old friend who didn't play Mafia for years, and has only just recently come back. I would most likely not consider killing her on night 1 for that reason.

I was going to go a round on LC, because I felt one of his answers to me last day was really buddy-ish. Saying he wish he had listened to me in GoC. (He wasn't even alive in GoC at the point I was talking about.)

But then I found this post, and I tend to just believe that tbh. I'm gullible. But also, scum rarely lies like this.

In which case, it should just be Nanook.

I'm unhappy about this, cause I don't want to do more work with this game. I don't really have the time/energy.

I don't like that.

Marmot. My head can't read all that. I'm very sorry, but I trust your shooting abilities of Tony doesn't solve this for us.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 5:23 pm Dizzy why you think that nanook is more wolfy than LC

I've explained my town read on LC well. I don't even know if I think that. They're probably both town. It's kind of silly to range people as more or less town when everyone but one is town. Less doubt, more pew pew.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 5:06 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:55 pm My reason for reading spf town may not be that impressive. She hasn't been that impressive. She flat out ignored my reasons for suspecting Alison and only focused on Marmot. It wasn't impressive.
don't know if i would call it "ignoring" per se - there was already consensus suspicion against alison and quite literally every player in this game was worried about her slot. i didn't feel the need to participate in conversations discussing my personal read on her when i knew that her slot was dead regardless of my input, and regardless of how valid or invalid your point was

so when i put it that way, i suppose i did ~ignore~ your point against her, but it was because i already perceived her slot as 100% doomed

But why were you not interested in my point at all? I spent time developing it and explaining it, and I directly asked for feedback. I find it kind of strange that you ignored it tbh. But everyone did. So maybe it was one of those things that made perfect sense to me which I fail to relay.

And also, ok, the slot is doomed. Is that good? If so, why not doom it more? And if it's doomed but you don't think it should be, why not defend? Idk. I didn't particularly care for you just not commenting.

Anyway. Tony may flip scum and then we good.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 5:05 pmall of the reasons that you listed in this post are the reason why i townread you, and why i feel that occam's razor points to you being a villager. i have simply lacked the underlying confidence that you are ~definitely~ a villager that many other players in this game have, and that is solely because i am aware that you have an extremely solid scum game, and i have not felt that you have been significantly towny within the last dayphase or so even though i think your d1 reflects well on you

im not calling you scum, but i am in the position of knowing that if TSP flips villager, there is ~definitely~ a deepwolf. there are a lot of solid reasons to townread everyone in this game besides TSP, so a TSP town world implies a world where you would need to be scrutinized more carefully - i think that you are more likely town than not, but i also think that you will need to really kick your solving/effort into gear to townclear yourself if the game goes on after me and TSP's death

i believe that nanook's derps were genuine. i soulread him as a villager even though most of the reasons are tonal

Alright, fair enough. But also booo. I'd be pretty surprised to find both Tony and you to flip town. If so, of course solving must step up. Time wise, I'm screwed. That's also why I've been more lacklustre this day phase. Literally don't have the time to play hard now. That's just how it is.

@TonyStarkPrime Why did you vote Alison on D1 really? You didn't really talk much about her before you voted, or argued for why she should be voted.

My reason for reading spf town may not be that impressive. She hasn't been that impressive. She flat out ignored my reasons for suspecting Alison and only focused on Marmot. It wasn't impressive.

Tony, spf, Nanook. Scum is here. Two of these are town though, so don't have a cow! (Lol, that expression)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:27 pmdyslexicon: i feel like i should townread dizzy more than i do - i think that most of my concern w/him stems from a place of paranoia and from a place of knowing that he is capable of playing a solid wolf game. dizzy has played this game in the exact way that i would play it if i was a wolf in this setup - he heavily distanced from the alison slot while (attempting to) prop up the invicitus slot as a villager, and taking that approach as a wolf would simply be smart scum strategy. as such, i find it difficult to feel comfortable clearing dizzy based solely on the logic of: "he hardpushed on alison", but i do feel that occam's razor points to his slot being a villager. his posts throughout the entirety of d1 were very villagery and i like that he continually hounded me (and others) to share our takes on alison as well

dizzy is a townlean, but he's my current favorite tinfoil if this game is not as easy as it appears

nanook: i'm of a couple different minds about nanook - i actually dont feel that any of his interactions with the flipped wolves are clearing, even though they generally reflect well on him. that said, i essentially had a soul townread on nanook throughout d1/d2, and that stemmed from the fact that he was one of the top posters in the game in spite of giving him plenty of slank cover to ignore the thread. nanook, as a wolf, had the perfect "out" to stop participating, but he chose to get into a fairly aggressive fight w/koba, he chose to publicly shade jagged for not analyzing him quickly enough, he has made choices that, in general, do not feel reminiscent of someone who is playing with a wolf mindset

my soul still says that nanook is town, but i don't feel that my logic that being the case is equally as strong. make of that what you will

Ok this. Regarding me: It's not that I did those things, it's how I did it. It should not be hard to read me and Invictius's interaction and understand that this is v/w. It's blatant pocketing. In fact, it's much how we work when we are in fact both town, and Invictius spent energy trying to make it seem that way to me. He straight up pocketed me and yes, I got fooled. I didn't think he'd be this calm as scum. My bad. It's also the way I went for Alison and how. I had an epiphany about it on D2 relating to how I didn't realise Invictius was Plat and how Alison reacted to that. And since nobody has brought that up (not even JJJ when he iso'd my interaction with Invictius - which was telling!), I'll just do it now - I didn't even know that Invictius was Plat (as I know him as). When asked if I knew him, I said no until I could recognise who he was. Sure, you can say wifom, but Occam's razor bishes. So you can read what the interaction entails and how they are, instead of say "that is how I would have played it, technically", cause that doesn't do much for you. It's actually pretty shady. Bad, spf, bad.

What do you think about Nanook's derps? Genuine or no?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:34 pm what does your POE look like, dizzy?

Do you suspect me or something? I feel like you have good opportunity to find my alignment in this game.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:34 pm what does your POE look like, dizzy?

Tony.

Check Nanook's derps.

Marmot says it's you, but I'm pretty sure you were the first to town read Incivtius. So only way you'd be scum then is if you all decided that you were going to town read each other from the get go and carry each other. Which is possible, but also not something most scum teams do. So I'm not very hopeful it's you tbh.

Syn just seems town. Invictius was shading Koba. Town.

LC should be town. Actually his answers to me lately has given me a bit creepy buddy feels, but that is probably just paranoia. He should be town based on Invictius being so ok with him dead.

Hollow is town. His reasoning for town reading me is spot on. Fighting with Invictius. Def town.

Honestly, it should just be Tony. I haven't had time to play this game at all lately. Literally was at work 12 hours today. So I haven't "done work" with this game in a while.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:49 pmHe also strongly encouraged me to shoot JJJ last night, but it's possible I guess that he just bought into the idea that I was sold on shooting SPF.

I just really believed in my scum read on Alison. I'm also pretty damn pleased with the reasoning I laid out for it, even though literally nobody but Jimmay comment on it or seemed to even get it. But it was pretty clear cut to me. Whether I influenced you or not, I'm happy you made that shot. Inb4 it is actually spf and it didn't really matter anyway.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:06 pmI remember a game with Dizzy on MU where he was a wolf. Every time I tried to press him on something he was evasive, he wouldn't answer direct questions, he'd dance around things, and he left lots of wiggle room in his interpretations of how he was seeing the thread.
He was hard to pin down on anything and his pushes weren't very forceful, they were designed to obfuscate and confuse.
Here he's not doing any of that. He's pretty blatant with how he sees things and he's totally willing to engage with people directly. I think I said to Syn yesterday that he's playing a shirtsleeves game where he's been pretty transparent with his thoughts and his thread perceptions.

I don't doubt that Dizzy is a great player, but if he's stepped up his wolf game to that kind of level he's a whole different player I think.
His last couple of posts today where he's town reading LC are indicative of this type of play/analysis. Like dude has just done work trying to figure things out.

Well, you're lucky that I do have direction this game. After the Invictius flip the game broke open and it was easier to solve. Sometimes when I'm town, I'm also a big ball of confuse =p But I'm better once there is a scum flip.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:00 pm Why is dizzy town

I mean, maybe you should investigate that yourself? It's certainly possible to figure out from this game. Invictius literally followed me around like a dog (and vice versa tbh). I nailed Alison/JJJ for a good reason that I wanted others to pay attention to. JJJ tried to talk me out of it and was bothered.com. I'm solving, playing my town game. I'm not trying to stop the cogs in the machine. Things doesn't feel catastrophical and hopeless.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:53 pm can we quick tlak about dizzy

Yes, we can.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:28 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:27 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:23 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
No.
what if yes

It's a no. Remember when I said we should yeet Alison to not lose the GoC?

I'm saying don't yeet LC cause he's town.

LC is town here. Invictius was happy to mutually sheep my read there on D1. LC could've gotten yeeted that day. Invictius doesn't do that to his teammate.

Alison's "defence" doesn't matter. She could just as well say that to justify going for Falcon over LC when they were both town anyway. I don't even see why she'd want to stick her head out like that if LC was her teammate.

LC's reactions since has been town.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

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