The Syndicate

Congrats, FZ, well deserved!^^

Golden wrote:You have no idea the sense of loss I feel at Jay not getting off the plane and finding out I'd done a CFD on him. It will go down as one of the tragedies of my mafia career.

Looking back, it would be kind of funny if the D1 CFD on Long Con had gone through. I love me some vote shenanigans.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:What's MVP?

Who was the best player in the game?

Oh, also, why did you kill MP? I thought that kill was strange.

Oh. I think several players played really well tbh.

Because I wanted to be the top poster and that would never happen with MP in the game.
No, but he was scary and was suspicious of FZ and JJJ, and I somehow managed to talk myself into thinking he was cop, as I did with Luke. #TooParanoid. Also, having the thread slow down after MP died was a bonus we considered as well. Plus, I love MP. <3

What's MVP?

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Dammit, I ALWAYS thought it was dizzy and Jay.

I was trying to position myself to survive the night and nail jay at second lylo.

I'm soooo bummed that they were ahead of us.

I'm soooo bummed that marmot didn't do what I said!

Oh really? That's good play! You would've been keeled though.
What inspired the vote change?

I would have? Damn. I thought I'd played well to survive.

From my perspective it didn't matter whether you or jay died. All that mattered was that you perceived I saw your teammate as inh, and Jay's as marmot, so I made it to the last day.

What inspired the shift, though, was just the idea of being responsible for lynching mafia jay. I left it as late as possible until I felt sure he wouldn't be around. I thought I had you convinced that I wouldn't see you as bad if you voted Jay with me. It all just fit.

I would at least have killed you, I think. Don't know about JJJ, but think he mentioned the same, plus Marmot and INH looked more compatible with me. Everyone was, as we know.

Wouldn't a no lynch have ended in a scum win as well though? Or have I misunderstood something about tied votes, in which case whoops.

Golden wrote:Dammit, I ALWAYS thought it was dizzy and Jay.

I was trying to position myself to survive the night and nail jay at second lylo.

I'm soooo bummed that they were ahead of us.

I'm soooo bummed that marmot didn't do what I said!

Oh really? That's good play! You would've been keeled though.
What inspired the vote change?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:WAS JAY EVER EVEN ON A PLANE

30 minute delay.

This was lucky for us. :3

Yay.^^

Thank you so much for the game, Floyd! I had a lot of fun with it.

And thank you for being such fun and awesome scummates, FZ and JJJ - Truly enjoyed scumming with you guys. \o/

Good game town.

insertnamehere wrote:it's totes golden/marmot, isn't it?

WTF. Lol, probably omg.

Voted JJJ fwiw.

insertnamehere wrote:inb4 baddie team being golden/dizzy

That would be awesome lol. I wish.

insertnamehere wrote:

Golden wrote:Well, what do you think of a jay vote, inh?

Would you be up for that?

I'd vote JJJ to save myself I guess.

Pretty much this:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:That's the difference between you and me, Golden.

I'm not afraid to feel incredibly stupid.

I think being afraid of being stupid is what has made me a successful mafia player.

I have no problem looking a fool - obviously.
I used to take the game more seriously, and if this was one year ago I'd probably be furious right now lol. Glad I have more control really.

Golden wrote:Here's where I'm at dizzy...

Either you're bad, or it's marmot/jay.

If I change my vote to a marmot/jay team and it's not them, I'll feel incredibly stupid.

If I don't and you are town, I'll say 'dizzy looked worst, at lylo you have to vote who looked worst, thems the breaks'.

So, as much as there is a part of my brain that says 'why don't the three of us suddenly turn on and vote out jay...' and yes, that part is definitely there...

I just can't sub in this late, have this little time, and make such a huge statement move and see it cost the town the game. I already did that in Parks and Rec.

If you are town, Golden, then I'm the stupid one. Though I don't think it's fair to call anyone stupid over a mafia game though. This is not an easy game. I have definitely not been a star player this game, especially late game. It is what it is.

insertnamehere wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

me at dys blowing the game for the civilians if he's good

I don't think I'm the only one at fault though. What is the reason you won't vote Golden for example? You're voting me but think I'm town?

No, I would have thought you were town if you had voted Marmot, because then it would have crossed out every scenario in which you could have been bad.

Now I'm hoping you and Marmot are bad together, something which I had an inkling about earlier.

Otherwise we're ballsed.

So me not making a vote that is basically useless is your rationale for me as possible scum?

Next time I'm being stubborn like this - remember... lol

And I know I'm not helping my case..

Golden wrote:10/10 people at the Syndicate would tell you I'm town.

Really? Cause that's not what I heard. But it's a nice comment.

insertnamehere wrote:

me at dys blowing the game for the civilians if he's good

I don't think I'm the only one at fault though. What is the reason you won't vote Golden for example? You're voting me but think I'm town?

insertnamehere wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Honestly, I'd rather be lynched today and be done with the game if it's going to be all "Dizzy is the likeliest teammate to whoever" next phase. Sorry/not sorry.

well that's just really, really lame

i'd even go far as to label it a total bummer

Bah. You're right. But I don't have much faith, and I can be spiteful as town and I can feel it myself being really dumb. So truly sorry.

But Golden won't change his vote. Neither will JJJ. Marmot won't vote himself. So it's really pretty useless. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Coolios. If you're town, you weren't going to win by getting me lynched either, so we're equally wrong. If you're scum, then flair is as good a way to go down as any!

I hope there's a pre-death catgif in there for us, though.

Please don't be town, I'd feel dumb.

Honestly, I'd rather be lynched today and be done with the game if it's going to be all "Dizzy is the likeliest teammate to whoever" next phase. Sorry/not sorry.

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:What question have I not answered straight?

How about 'why should it ring alarm bells?'. Your answer was "I think you know" and you've not enlightened me at all. Why should Jay and my analysis ring alarm bells instead of just accurately pointing to a baddie?

Because who's my teammate?

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:You think Marmot or INH will self vote instead of lynching me?

And right there is the heart of why you voted for me.

What? How does that make sense at all? My vote on you is as good as symbolic at this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dizzy's recent responses to criticism have had a trend of reflecting that criticism with implied critical language rather than straightforward language. I'm not a fan.

INH has given some manner of an analytic effort under pressure which I think bears more civilian value by comparison.

I am inclined to leave my vote where it is.

Great.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

In the beginning you questioned me. I answered, the questioning stopped, and then you've been saying you would vote me but you were busy and hadn't put in the work, and now that it's EoD everything I say is a sign I'm scum.

Nope. It's just not a sign you're town, and I'm not going to let you use manipulation instead of solid rebuttal.

You've refused to answer questions straight at EoD. You're saying things like 'I think you know', using appeal to emotion, and planting a no u vote with no previous basis in your own suspicion at all.

If you want me to perceive you as town right now, act like you're town instead of using every manipulative tool in your book to escape your own lynch.

What question have I not answered straight? And don't call me vote for OMGUS. If I was scum I would put up a case and follow it, but I don't KNOW who's scum or not. Your treatment of me is all wrong to me - Questioning (which I've answered), silence, and NOW I'm scum for all sorts of reasons, actually every time I write something you have something to say about why it's scummy. I don't think you WANT to perceive me as town is what I'm saying.

I don't know how I can be more obvious than what I have been.

Golden wrote:Besides, for all that you are complaining about how doomed you are and what a tough world it is for you... and how there should be 'alarm bells' because of how much everyone seems to want to vote you and how easy it is to get you gone...

I would note how difficult it has been to actually get three votes on you today. Jay and I have leaned your way all day and neither inh nor marmot have shown any particular inclination to join us so far.

You think Marmot or INH will self vote instead of lynching me? Well, actually self voting is not allowed, I checked cause I wanted to be sour and do that.

insertnamehere wrote:

Dizzy, I realize that the below gif sums up your current, suspiciously convenient worldview, but I need to know some things.

If you're right about Golden being bad, who do you think his teammate is?

Omg, The Room.

It would probably be one of Marmot or JJJ. Would bet on Marmot, and I will vote Marmot if none of you all are willing to vote Golden.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

What is the point of saying this? I'm not any affilation, I'm a particular one. Such shade.

You are using the tactic 'appeal to emotion'. I'm just pointing out that doesn't make you town, in case anyone should be persuaded by it.

Better not have anyone think I'm town at this point.

10/10 would clock me as town on PerC. Though I always feel that lol.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Setting you up? What am I doing that is setting you up?

In the beginning you questioned me. I answered, the questioning stopped, and then you've been saying you would vote me but you were busy and hadn't put in the work, and now that it's EoD everything I say is a sign I'm scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm in airport hell and my plane will be boarding shortly. I have to make my final decision quickly.

JJJ, Hi I'm town. Would you be willing to vote Golden?

insertnamehere wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

Well, I'd rather die on my feet, stumbling around in the darkness than lying down.

I've honestly been trying. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

This statement can be entirely true from you no matter what your affiliation.

What is the point of saying this? I'm not any affilation, I'm a particular one. Such shade.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Why?

I think you know why. I'm town, and the thread is floating pretty silently and steadily to me being lynched. I'm fine with losing really, it just sucks to be the one that is the Lylo lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, and it's answers like this that make me feel very good about voting for you.

"I think you know why". What would it matter if I 'know why', or have my own reasons for why. If you make some grand sweeping statement, you have to justify it.

You said 'it should be a big alarm bell'. Why? Why should it not just be a sign that you are, in fact, bad?

The reasoning is implied. I could be teamed with anyone and everyone seems fine enough lynching me. The fact that the thread has been so quiet and I'm the lynch candidate is a give away that I'm town.

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

If Golden is town then I would ironically (or poetically) support his notion of being screwed. I'd vote Marmot to save myself, but I prefer a Golden lynch, I really feel the way he's setting me up is him being scum.

Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

Honestly, I think the biggest mistake this game was the Nut lynch. The whole game got into a rough start because of it.

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Why?

I think you know why. I'm town, and the thread is floating pretty silently and steadily to me being lynched. I'm fine with losing really, it just sucks to be the one that is the Lylo lynch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Truth be told I think the jay/marmot pair is entirely compatible from my read. It's the jay/fz pair that feels wrong.

Explain exactly how me wanting to vote a cop claim doesn't make sense for a townie to you?

Townies don't want to risk lynching the real cop.

The real cop would be killed though. And lol, the cop WAS lynched. This doesn't make sense.

Golden wrote:Dizzy I really don't care if you like my rationale. I'm not scum, and your idea of telling people to look at me when you flip town at lylo is laughable.

Wtf, I haven't told them to look at you AFTER I flip. I want them to look at you now.

@JJJ, INH, Marmot - What do you think the likelihood of me and Golden both being town is? What do you think of Golden's treatment of me since he's replaced in? Please look into this.

Also, looks like I'm the most likely to be teamed with everyone right now lol. That's convenient and should be a big alarm bell already.

Golden wrote:Truth be told I think the jay/marmot pair is entirely compatible from my read. It's the jay/fz pair that feels wrong.

Explain exactly how me wanting to vote a cop claim doesn't make sense for a townie to you?

@Marmot - The only thing with the INH case for me is that I'm not sure who he would be teamed with. It could be JJJ, in which case I think town will lose anyway. So it's basically a losing situation for me. I have no other strong arguments for thinking they're town as they've been largely absent. I will vote INH to save myself of course.

@Golden - I don't like that rationale for voting me at all, and I'm pretty sure you're scum now. Saying that my plea for voting one of the cop claims doesn't make sense as a townie is literally nonsensical. Besides, I've already explained that I didn't trust FZ regardless of that, and btw I voted her before the whole claim business went down. If Epi's claim was so weak why did you commend it and give props right afterwards? I can't fault you for being busy and you've been a replacement so you can't answer for everything - but I find your repeating you haven't put in the work and you not having time to be convenient with your placing of your vote on me.

Vote Golden

Probably not going to happen anyway, but if I'm right I'll be vindicated in some way lol.

@JJJ - I see that you've basically answered some of the questions I had in your analysis. I'm not scum, I could say that until I was blue in the face, I don't know what I should say or do other than what I've done the entire game. I'm not clear on why you discossiate Marmot and Golden from FZ though?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Alright, I'm going out tonight, so I won't really have the time to be around before tomorrow, but I do have time tomorrow. Would be cool if all considering voting me writes out why and what they think I'm not addressing to their satisfaction. I really want to prove that I'm town to whoever else of you that are.

I am not clear on what your reads are right now. What are your reads?

I'm not entirely clear what my reads are either. Yay. I looked through FZs posts and there's not a whole lot I got out of it. Almost no mention of Marmot, brief interaction with Eloh early on but nothing meaningful apart from that, asks about a case on INH and it's unclear whether he was advocating for a lynch on him or not here:

FZ. wrote:And there's INH, who after his initial joking around and harping on the Epi-LC back and forth, hasn't said much since. I hate lynching someone who is not around. It didn't end well last game when we lynched SVS, but I'd rather lynch someone I'm not sure about and is not contributing at all, than someone who I'm a little more suspicious of but is trying harder and will be a bigger loss if we're wrong.

Thoughts on this?

I do think her posts looks better for you as it looks to me like she's talking to you as if you're town. Judging from that you would be the more likely to be town in this instance based on reading FZ. But I still haven't gone through your posts and also LC (I think?) mentioned that you could've been distancing.

Further I went through Marmot's posts and also Eloh's.
Marmot has been very consistent in going after INH. On the surface that looks not teamed to me, but then the fact that it is so consistent has be second guess that. Would like your or any other opinion on that if you ISO Marmot and his realtion to INH.

Eloh voted INH for self preservation in a way that to me looked like they were not teamed, so that would mean Golden/INH is an unlikely pair. I think if INH is scum it's with Marmot or you.

I still haven't gone through yours or INH's posts and will have to do that later tonight as I'm busy this evening.

What I have so far as most likely scum pairing is Marmot/Golden. What really sucks is that if I'm right about that then I think town will lose. And if I'm wrong I also think we'll lose. So that's not very encouraging. And probably not the best mindset and whatnot. I promise to try still, it's just a bit ugh. I wish there was something I could say that would just autoclear me.

@Golden - I really want to hear why you think I'm the one who fits best into a scum team. I know you're short on time, but it would help me if you can explain your thought process on this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, I voted for FZ the whole fucking time EoD. I only voted JJJ when LC asked me to. Was this unclear somehow? I get that you are confirmed town, but god damn.

Dizzy, what inspired the frustration you were displaying here? Given that you knew Epi was confirmed, you had no reason to distrust his motives when he was questioning you.

It was exactly because I didn't distrust his motives that I got pissed. He was acting like I was definitely scum AND he outright misrepresented facts in the process. Being town doesn't make your reasoning or conclusions right and his tone towards me just upset me. That isn't meant as criticism towards him really, just explaining how I felt.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This day phase might be a shit sandwich for me. I have some time tonight and maybe tomorrow afternoon. Tomorrow night I'll be away though, and I'll be on a plane scheduled to depart the gate at almost exactly the deadline of this lynch on Sunday. This might be my busiest week or two until autumn when I start PhD hell.

It's important that we field as thorough a conversation as we can today as a group. It's LyLo, meaning we cannot afford to have a single civilian final vote on another civilian. Let's try to give ourselves the best chance we can here. I understand that folks are busy, so am I.

Then I ask you to please keep an open min in regards to me.