The Syndicate

And thank you for the game, Nanook. <3

The pain of having a confirmed IC every fucking day from D2 on in this game... Do not try this at home.

Wp town

And very well played mafia team, SoA, Dolby and Falcon.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:19 am lol dizzy i just realised now, but games when we mindmelded with each other one of us has been mafia...

This is either very good or very bad lol

I think we'll likely do so if we're both town as well. Or both mafia wowee

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:14 amYou and soa both tried to cw falcon on d1 LOL

Yes, and I asked Soa to in thread lol. That was fun =p

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:12 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:02 am Ilario. =(

I've been living a double life.

LOL that was wp i dont think town woulda gotten there in the end

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:10 am Guys, in the host rules, self-voting is not permitted

LOL

Yes it is lol, but nice one

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:10 am No I mean I hate the game, whatever alignment I rand it's fair, I don't hate that.

Lol fair tbh

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:08 am That's what I try to do. But I hate Mafia, so it's not great anyway.

I also don't like to play as mafia, which is why I convince myself I'm not actually when I post lol

When I'm mafia, I convince myself so hard that I'm town, that I believe what I'm saying. Which is probably not healthy

Ilario. =(

I've been living a double life.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:59 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:58 am The buddying kind of just happened and I ran with it.

I knew there were partnered wolves in the second triad!

I hope I can be town with you next time. <3

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:59 am GJ Falcon & Dizzy, you distanced well from your team

Thank you ^^

GG to you. I really enjoyed seeing more of your process!

I actually don't think anyone had a correct PoE at any point in the game.
But hole shit, this was hard work lol. So many obvious town players.
Good game. ^^

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:57 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:56 am GG I was maf lol

Wait, you were Maf??

Omg! It WAS you? I tried wagon you D1!

The buddying kind of just happened and I ran with it.

I'm sorry, Ilario. I really wish I was town with you. And I would love to town together next time. Cause the mindmeld is real. <3

GG I was maf lol

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:47 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:36 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:36 pm I still think falcon is the most likely to be town

I'm starting to think your PoE was right, so I'm curious what Falcon thinks

I'm re-evaluating ilario now, I thought we had a slam dunk with Gman & then ilario is obvs last Maf.



It's hard for me to see you as Maf, but I had the same issue & lost w/ Jack recently, as such I have reservations.



Dizzy, Johanna, & ilario are the 3 I'm looking at currently, and sleeping will give us a confirmed town.

What does your thoughts on Ilario look like right now?

Actually, I don't mind sleeping to give more time, since I don't have a lot of time. But I think losing Marmot will give us even less of a chance to come together.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:28 pm The only downside is losing Marmot, but *shrug* if mafia want to draw from a winning position, let them. Sleep, no kill, sleep, no kill, sleep, no kill.

If mafia don't want to draw from a favorable position, they give us an IC.

This seems stupid tbh

I also have questions for you @ilario

But I'm not even really here now.

Anyway, what was your thought process regarding G-Man last phase? From memory I don't remember you talking much about it, but I might be wrong

It's like you're blaming me for you not showing up, which is weird as fuck tbh

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:41 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:56 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:18 pm Dizzy help me find u as town

My biggest concern is that u seem to have rushed a lot of votes on town slots and havent really spent as much time solving as I’d like

I am town.

What votes have I rushed? I did not expect G-Man to flip town at all. I don't think I would've gotten away from that and I don't think the game as a whole would've either.

but like u came into yesterday voting me before even talked bro?

That was more about me and my own inner reaction. Because NAA said he preferred you, and I felt like I was being a baby, because both Jimmay and NAA had been trying to get me to reconsider my read on you, and I felt like I was being almost childish about it. You hadn't posted for a long time. It really did look like you had just given up. It's not like you would've been quick hammered there and then at all. But if you hadn't shown up my vote would've likely stayed there.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:40 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:30 am I want to clear NAA from consideration and say gg if he's mafia. If that's correct, I'm looking at Ilario, Johanna and Falcon

why are u clearing him?

Actually jk, cause reading today I think he's either trolling or just mafia or both

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:14 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:56 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:18 pm Dizzy help me find u as town

My biggest concern is that u seem to have rushed a lot of votes on town slots and havent really spent as much time solving as I’d like

I am town.

What votes have I rushed? I did not expect G-Man to flip town at all. I don't think I would've gotten away from that and I don't think the game as a whole would've either.

Can you towncase yourself please

I’m as invested in reading you correctly as I am in winning this game, though the two go hand in hand

I'm at work now, but I can from the top of my head:
- I'm pretty sure the reason spf, Sloon and Jimmay town read me so confidently is from my energy I put into the game, which is something I can't fake as mafia. What I hope to bring is a positive energy, a can do energy and I love playing support to a healthy game with forming a strong town block and open up for communication. And I think I've done that this game. It's a quality in my town play that I like and that isn't possible for me to replicate as mafia because 1. I absolutely hate playing as mafia and 2. My success as mafia often comes from making the game feel difficult and like a pain for town. I don't know if this will make sense to you, but I actually think this is one of the best ways to read me. All of the players I mentioned, plus Marmot, know me pretty well as a player.
- I don't make buddies with you the way I have in this game if I'm mafia. I would really like to think I wouldn't pull at heart strings like that as mafia. My feelings are real. I know that's a simple "trust me on this", but that is just how it is. The only way I do that is if we're mafia together and you already know that's not the case.
- I'm pretty impulsive as town and do things just to create reactions. I did this D1 and I also tried doing it D3, claiming watcher with result, cause I felt we needed something to jump start a better path. A big difference in my town and scum play is impulsive/planned. I always get questions like "Why did you do this as town when you also did this?" and similar when I'm town.
- I think it's clear that my interaction with both Soa and Dolby is not w/w. Soa addressed me as town, which I think Jimmay pointed out too. Also, I just now recall that I said to Jimmay to be careful about Dolby when he town read him first, because me and Dolby at just played a game together where he fooled me as mafia. Nobody else played or knew about this game, so I don't volunteer that information if I'm mafia with Dolby.
- My reaction around Dolby/Soa chop can only come from town because I first preferred Dolby as a chop, because of the game state and I felt like he was the most likely mafia out of all. But when Soa came in and started posting, it felt really off to me, both desperate and apparently calm at the same time. And then he called for NAA to hammer, and I moved my vote away from Dolby because I disliked Soa so much at that time, that I felt it safer to chop him over Dolby. I don't have that reaction if I'm mafia and I know that they are both mafia. It wouldn't matter to me.

Those are some of the things I think would be worth considering for anyone who wants to find me as town.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:18 pm Dizzy help me find u as town

My biggest concern is that u seem to have rushed a lot of votes on town slots and havent really spent as much time solving as I’d like

I am town.

What votes have I rushed? I did not expect G-Man to flip town at all. I don't think I would've gotten away from that and I don't think the game as a whole would've either.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:40 am Wait. Was there actually 2 votes on NAA and he wasn't hammered? How long?

@Marmot

Wait. Was there actually 2 votes on NAA and he wasn't hammered? How long?

We still have the option of IC chooses tbh. That is the only way this is 100 % in town's hand

Like, I'm busy myself, but I'll try to be here as much as I can

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:10 pm I don't think 96 hours will give us anything more than 48 hours can give us.

That's usually how I feel, but we need to offer all of the players who didn't show up to play a full game of mafia time to post.

I have over 500 posts. That's more than enough to make a call on my alignment, I feel. All players have a lot of posts and we still do have 48 hours.

Actually it will just be worse, because Marmot will die

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:27 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:26 pm Honestly I was not expecting yesterday's hammer. I checked in at midnight and the thread was locked. I thought the day was going very well, and I hope we can get that back.

I guess NAA will come now saying no we gotta keep everything to ourselves, but I am busy enough to not check the thread when I don't have to i.e. at night.

But you know, we are in a critical situation so I will try. I would like to have the time for that

You have lots of time to catch up because today we vote for sleep

That doesn't do anything for us, as per Nanook's rule clarification.

I want to clear NAA from consideration and say gg if he's mafia. If that's correct, I'm looking at Ilario, Johanna and Falcon

And I'm not even poisoned

Thanks Nanook I hate it

@TonyStarkPrime Hi this game exists btw. You're and IC now, and wagon is on L-1. So if you want to say something, sooner is probably better than later.

Nobody is here rip

I'm doing a sleep thing. I'm good with hammering whenever.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:17 pm Dolby is a good wolf, yeah. I expect better from him as either alignment, I'm a bit confused and it's why I'm so reluctant. He can be pretty active and drive discussion as town and he can put up a very townie performance as a wolf.

He is a solid option, I just... want to see more of him. It feels rather unfair to me.

This reluctance to vote Dolby, while later being ok to vote Soa doesn't make sense to me if Johanna is mafia. Especially since I think Dolby was leading the votes at that time (not entirely sure). Why refuse to vote one teammate while wanting to vote the other? I mean, I guess there could be some scum chat logic to it or what not, but that's speculative at best.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

L-1 now

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:00 pm The general attitude of “I don’t want to work hard at this today if you’re just going to chop me” is just another piece of evidence to me if Ilario’s guilt. You slacked and it’s crunch time. Put up or shut up. He’s still not going into his reasoning behind his thoughts. It’s just a lot of empty platitudes; it’s a facade.

Ilario, if you don’t work hard at this today, then you can’t possibly hope to have any shred of grace extended to you tomorrow after I flip town. If you are somehow civvie, then your efforts and attitude today will lead to an almost immediate hammer of you tomorrow, which all but means you’re accepting a town loss right here and now.

If you are chopped today instead of me, then I expect more or less the same result, but I don’t accept it as an inevitability. If you folks don’t hammer this phase out early, I plan to examine Falcon again through the combined lenses of Dolby and SOA. I might very well get chopped today but I don’t want the town to throw itself into dire straits by leaving two baddies alive when the hammer is likely to be just 4 votes. The more concrete a reason and an answer that I can leave for my thoughts and suspicions, the more likely I provide even just a sliver of daylight for the remaining civs to use to find that final baddie.

It is not our deaths that define us. Rather it is what we do in light of our impending death that reveals our purpose, our character, and our commitment to the cause and to the game.

Yeah, G-Man is just mafia here. Haven't really heard the reasons for his thoughts much either, other than Ilario today, which he's accusing Ilario of. I don't even know why I'm his top town. If I were to bet, I'd say this post feels like G-man scum and Ilario town tbh

Anyway, I think we just chop G-Man and go from there. Most of his posts this day has been scum reading Ilario, and I just feel his casing is very constructed. I don't think this really says much about Ilario's alignment though. Like, it could be last minute distancing, but it could also easily be him trying to get the counter wagon chopped over himself.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:46 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:26 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:24 am If you're town and g-man and falcon are scum, you've got nothing to lose if we continue to work through the poe.

I'd just like to encourage you to look at those suspects first before branching out to the rest of the game. That is who the thread has generally agreed are the top suspects (along with you)

Read my posts.

My first post I said I don’t think falcon is mafia

That’s why I think the poe is bad

It has me and falcon and I don’t scumread falcon

I honestly don’t get why I’m bothering with this if my posts aren’t being read

It also says you're confident in Dizzy being town.

Yes it did. However, My reasons to tr falcon over there were game related, my reasons to tr dizzy were not.

After that post I began to read the game from d1. More reasons to tr falcon popped up, some reasons to tr naa popped up, some reasons to tr you popped up.

No reasons to tr gman or Johanna popped up.

Almost the entire reason I had to tr dizzy this game was based on mindmelding a lot and the fact that I find him very likeable.

As I read d1 I also noticed that some of the reads/posts that I was mindmelding with dizzy on were takes of mine that were incorrect. So it’s not impossible that dizzy as scum saw that and tried to pocket me. And if he did, then wp to him he did a good job at it.

I have probably done a disservice to his scum game by townrrading him so easily. I heard that hally, who is a really skilled player, played with him as town a lot and she felt confident in her ability to read him, and the first time he flipped scum on her he tricked her hard. So I have no doubt he has a strong scum game. I don’t want to lose this game because I did not give enough respect to dizzys play.

This post isn’t to say that I think he has to be scum, it’s to say that the reasons I trd him are not game related and I’ve been realizing that as I catch up.

I do have a good scum game, but honestly it's not that good, not in a way were I can actually replicate my town play. Not in the way of supporting a good PoE (Yes, we got unlucky at first, but I still firmly believe the PoE established was pretty good, and half of that is proven already), bringing this much energy into a game, playing with other town players that know me well in a way that they know I'm town. I split and make the game sour as mafia. If you want an example, you can see my recent scum game here (Basic Mafia) or Marmot could probably tell you stories.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:45 am It’s 1am my time so that’s my last post for today, I apologise for being rude earlier but it’s just tilting to spend so much time trying to solve the game and have it received the way it was. But that’s a me problem and I shouldn’t have reacted that way

I want you to know this: Whatever alignment you are, I greatly enjoy playing with you, so so much!

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:40 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:36 am Question: you, SoS, and dizzy all voted for falcon Day 1. Why do you now tr falcon and suspect dizzy?

Because soa tried to vote falcon eod d1. Soa was pushing villagers like LC all of d1 If you read his iso, which gives me the impression he was trying to powerwolf. Two hours before eod he joins a push and labels it the falcon killers. There is no reason for soa to push his partner, falcon, when sig was already set to be miseliminated

The reason could be because I asked him to. He had to say either no or yes. It's not like he chose to move there on his own. I also feel like the Sig wagon was pretty set at the time, but I don't really think that vote is clearing. Dolby's vote on Falcon may be a little bit more clearing actually.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:35 am My heart wants to believe dizzy is town, but he has the least going for him in terms of spew. He has pushed a lot of villagers too. The fact he voted me today before I spoke pinged me.

I want him to be town, I really do, but if I’m looking at the game objectively I have to say that falcon marmot and naa have better reasons to be labeled as town from the part of the game that I’m upto

Why does it ping you? NAA told me he prefer you. I didn't really want to, but then I thought I was being kind of a baby not listening to Jimmay and NAA. And the fact is that you were not here for a long time, and while you say you wouldn't do that as mafia, that's not really something I can confirm and also not something I thought at the time.

You pulled out quotes from me earlier that you called not w/w with flipped mafia. It kind of just looks like you're poking in different directions right now.

I of course want you to be town, I want everyone to be town to be frank, in every game, but especially you in this game. But this does not really fill me with confidence, cause I'm not sure how you're getting here other than apparently me voting you pinged you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:34 am Scum-dizzy?

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:33 amI would replace diZy with marmot

Ok but why?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:22 amThe thing about the questions not being helpful is, read and make up your mind on what you're doing before polling the thread to get a feel of where the game state is. I know for a fact not everyone has the same PoE, so it's important to not have you poke around to figure out which band wagon to jump on, rather instead you present your conclusion and then if it's absolutely required, we discuss. Like, the fact is, mafia knowing the full game state going into potential LyLo is dangerous unless we can near-guarantee a win.

See, this is the kind of thing that makes me think NAA is town. I think I'm getting more a grasp of his play style as well.