The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:I get the general idea yes, but what I don't see is a clear incentive for me to claim to be something I'm not when In my mind the logic does not sit right on why. I've said this a few times now.

If we all claim, sure that's awesome, the agenda is complete. It Nullifies the presidents law. I get that.

That is a really good thing to do. If you don't see that, then I don't think you DO get it. If we don't nullify the law, then the result will very likely be that a Cylon will escape their lynch and a Civvie will die in their place. Do you not see how that is not merely undesirable, but is actually really really bad?

But whats to stop the next? Or a new law of amnesty?

Nothing, but this plan has nothing to do with what future laws might be. Optimistically, I'd like to believe that no more similar laws will be chosen by the President, given that this one was met with severe displeasure by most.

Ok, so if we all claim no one can claim again. I get that. But if we don't how is that different? Polo has stated that it Stops a Civi/Townie from dying. How if were voting for the right people?

Setting up a second and third in line is a good way to pad our losses, in case things go wrong. It stops a Civ from dying thusly: if we are lynching a Cylon who has not used their amnesty, the next player in line gets lynched. Because most baddie teams have BTSC, it makes it that much less likely that the second in line will be a baddie will be lynched.... because they'll be ready for the claim, and have arranged a non-baddie into second place by working together. OR the baddie in second will also claim. Down the line until a Civ lynch result.

Do you see what I mean? I think about this and perhaps my problem is that I'm over thinking it. But it seems to me that no matter what happens it can be countered, or it does not matter. Then again I have spent more time defending my position and trying to get something more as far as a reason to vote then if I had just said "I'm a cylon" but I would rather not because I don't see any benefit beyond "It Might save someone" the argument can be said from both sides.

Does that make sense?

It does not make sense to me. I costs you nothing at all to make the statement, and everyone making the statement will prevent bad guys from stopping their lynch and substituting a good guy.

What benefit are you getting from refusing to claim? What advantage are you thinking you get?

The only benefit I get is staying true to me, trying to find a good reason to do what every is doing and asking of me to do as well. I see holes in the argument where you guys think this is sound and a slam dunk. I've only heard 2 or 3 off the what 25 people chime in other than to jump on this claim band wagon.

What is my advantage? There is no advantage honestly since I'm not a Cylon. You three seem to think that it will keep someone who shouldn't be getting Lynched from this fate. That is the strongest argument I've seen from you guys. I appreciate you trying to explain this I was just honestly hoping for more than what has been said.

I hope your right in this and that it's not going to still result in something else worse happening in the future be it by law or something else going wrong.

"I am a Cylon!" there you go, the claim has been made.

One thing you will come to understand about me in the future is that I do stick to my convictions when I believe I am right, or until I'm shown I'm wrong. But I need more than just a one line explanation that it has a benefit that I see as weak at best. I agree that saving a life is important but sometimes that's just not enough for me, I test the waters. Get more information. Clearly no one else is going to step up and make a better argument so I will fall in line as you've asked.

Long Con wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:Long Con - You pose some valid points but you are far from the mark. I do not get on a Band wagon just because everyone says I should. I want solid valid reasons for doing so. All i'm asking is for something more than, it will save one person. I don't see it that way. The point is to vote out someone who is a Cylon. If were on the mark then both the first person, second and maybe even the third in line still should be a cylon. In Theory all the people being voted on should be Cylon. If not your wrong. You all made a mistake, and someone pays the price. My claming being a cylon does not effect that in the least. Its a simple chance that we all take in voting. And mind you voting on miss information that has been supplied or read. So again, I'm asking for someone to give me a proper reason or argument that makes sense for me to claim. Its as simple as that. I don't just do something because someone tells me too or because someone just thinks its fine.

I will agree to this point and quote it. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one!" but since I don't see how my stating that I am a Cylon helps in the least. Again, Give me some logic that make sense and I will gladly state the claim. Until I see an argument that shows me that its worth me doing so. I'm not going too. Why is everyone so against providing me some logical reason beyond this misguided thought that it might save a life that's not a cylon? This troubles me just as much as my not claiming troubles you. Only stating that it will save a life that most likely is going to be a Cylon does not logically work. I've taken my stance, and I'm asking you to help me. It's a simple request asking for something more than what each of you people pushing this agenda have stated.

You can call me bad for that and I'm ok with that. You vote for me if you want too, and get a band wagon going but in the end your wrong. And when everyone else sees that I hope they see you and Polo for what you might truly be.

I believe it was Matt who asked if I had thrown out some suspicions, yes I did. It was only a hand full early on because of the reads I was able to get from people during the beginning. Some of those could very well be misreading people's random posts and outbursts but I did at least come to some decisions on about 4 or 5 people outside of that other than my most recent experiences with Long Con, Polo and yourself Matt I've not gotten any particular feelings about anyone. Your welcome to support long Con in Lynching me, no hard feelings there. You gotta go with your gut.

If you feel that I'm bad because I stick to my moral compass and do not jump on the entire band wagon here go for it. But I will tell you your wrong, and when I'm gone that's on you for putting your time and energy into lynching the wrong person. Just because I do not go with the gang mentality does not make me wrong. You've just not given me proper reason in my mind to state what your asking. Please, give me a reason! And not just "It will save a potential life."

You... really don't understand the purpose of the "Everyone claim Cylon" plan?

Why are we asking everyone to claim Cylon, Sokoth?

I get the general idea yes, but what I don't see is a clear incentive for me to claim to be something I'm not when In my mind the logic does not sit right on why. I've said this a few times now.

If we all claim, sure that's awesome, the agenda is complete. It Nullifies the presidents law. I get that. But whats to stop the next? Or a new law of amnesty?

Ok, so if we all claim no one can claim again. I get that. But if we don't how is that different? Polo has stated that it Stops a Civi/Townie from dying. How if were voting for the right people?

Do you see what I mean? I think about this and perhaps my problem is that I'm over thinking it. But it seems to me that no matter what happens it can be countered, or it does not matter. Then again I have spent more time defending my position and trying to get something more as far as a reason to vote then if I had just said "I'm a cylon" but I would rather not because I don't see any benefit beyond "It Might save someone" the argument can be said from both sides.

Does that make sense?

Matt wrote:Sokoth is here. Let's take him to the Brig and beat 'em while nobody's looking.

Matt - We barely know each other.. don't threaten me with a good time. LOL

Long Con - You pose some valid points but you are far from the mark. I do not get on a Band wagon just because everyone says I should. I want solid valid reasons for doing so. All i'm asking is for something more than, it will save one person. I don't see it that way. The point is to vote out someone who is a Cylon. If were on the mark then both the first person, second and maybe even the third in line still should be a cylon. In Theory all the people being voted on should be Cylon. If not your wrong. You all made a mistake, and someone pays the price. My claming being a cylon does not effect that in the least. Its a simple chance that we all take in voting. And mind you voting on miss information that has been supplied or read. So again, I'm asking for someone to give me a proper reason or argument that makes sense for me to claim. Its as simple as that. I don't just do something because someone tells me too or because someone just thinks its fine.

I will agree to this point and quote it. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one!" but since I don't see how my stating that I am a Cylon helps in the least. Again, Give me some logic that make sense and I will gladly state the claim. Until I see an argument that shows me that its worth me doing so. I'm not going too. Why is everyone so against providing me some logical reason beyond this misguided thought that it might save a life that's not a cylon? This troubles me just as much as my not claiming troubles you. Only stating that it will save a life that most likely is going to be a Cylon does not logically work. I've taken my stance, and I'm asking you to help me. It's a simple request asking for something more than what each of you people pushing this agenda have stated.

You can call me bad for that and I'm ok with that. You vote for me if you want too, and get a band wagon going but in the end your wrong. And when everyone else sees that I hope they see you and Polo for what you might truly be.

I believe it was Matt who asked if I had thrown out some suspicions, yes I did. It was only a hand full early on because of the reads I was able to get from people during the beginning. Some of those could very well be misreading people's random posts and outbursts but I did at least come to some decisions on about 4 or 5 people outside of that other than my most recent experiences with Long Con, Polo and yourself Matt I've not gotten any particular feelings about anyone. Your welcome to support long Con in Lynching me, no hard feelings there. You gotta go with your gut.

If you feel that I'm bad because I stick to my moral compass and do not jump on the entire band wagon here go for it. But I will tell you your wrong, and when I'm gone that's on you for putting your time and energy into lynching the wrong person. Just because I do not go with the gang mentality does not make me wrong. You've just not given me proper reason in my mind to state what your asking. Please, give me a reason! And not just "It will save a potential life."

So Say we all!

So I'm still waiting to hear a real argument on the "Claim your a Cylon" to stop the immunity thing here and not one of you has still managed to give me a good reason with provided evident reason to do what your asking. You want me to Claim Cylon in order to stop a cylon from using immunity. It does not work that way. So on my logical though process it is a waste of my time to claim something that potentially saves no one. Your asking me to go against my moral compass and jump on the band wagon for the greater good? I don't see this as for the greater good or bad.

I understand that there is a chance that a civilian/townie will get Lynched, but a bunch of you seem so certain that some people are who you think they are but yet you've not banded together to commit to a common cause.

Basically all I've gotten so far is "Save me, Save me" from getting lynched. What incentive do I have on saving you? Jumping on your band wagon. For all I know your a Cylon trying to manipulate everyone. To what end? I have no idea. Its a good way to stay hidden that's for darn sure.

You can Lynch me, but I can tell you that your most certainly Lynching a Human! To be honest with the pressure and lack of evidence I feel like I should hold firm to my position and tell you where to go. But I'm looking for something that actually makes sense to me. Until I see it, I'm not going to claim. As I stated, I stick to my convictions until proven otherwise in a way I understand. So help me! Or not! Your choice.

Polo wrote:SokothQultuq: Do you know how can I be sure that he's claimed Cylon already? When everyone claims.


Your stubbornness might be the bane of us. It is quite obvious that if there is in fact a bad Cylon among the unclaimed, that Cylon can and probably will enjoy his immunity if his lynch is imminent, and thus will be alive for, at least, one more day, and the next most voted person will die. Are you okay with this fact?

Your starting to sound like a broken record. You still present me with no reasonable valid argument as to how this helps or hurts?

If a Cylon claims immunity and the Lynch goes to another, I would hope that our group would have the chops to have already figured out another Cylon and that they would be the 2nd vote. But of course I would feel bad if a human lost his or her life. But the odds are still the same. With everyone claiming they are cylon, no one knows who is a cylon or not. So the odds are still the same if we all claim Cylon or not.

Anyone have a better argument?

Polo wrote:SokothQultuq, I know it's not continual, I read the law. For frak's sake, I'm not THAT dumb. Jesus, this annoyed me a LOT.

IF EVERYONE CLAIMS CYLON, EVERYONE WILL BE SURE THAT NO CYLON, SHOULD HE/SHE BE EVIL OR NOT, WILL BE IMMUNE TO A LYNCH ON THE DAY OF THE CLAIM.
THIS IS A LOGICAL DEDUCTION DERIVED FROM THE CYLON AMNESTY ACT.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR US TO LYNCH CAVIL, OR ELSE WE'LL BE AT LEAST ONE DAY LATE IN LYNCHING HIM.

Have I been clear enough?

You seem to think that one day or another will make the difference in a lynch, how can you be so sure he's not claimed that he is a Cylon already? if your so certain of this, then by all means clear the air and throw down your suspicion of who this person is and I'm certain we all will vote for them and I will happily do as you ask but I still do not see the point if you cannot be certain. And again what is the point if not all have claimed this then?

Your getting angry and throwing around your words will not simply convince me. You can be insulted if you want I was making a point. Outlining it even for those who have just jumped in on this conversation. If that insulted you then I can see that it is very easy to get under your skin.

Anyone else want to try and give me a good reason to throw my "I'm a Cylon" into the pot? Polo certainly has made me think more about sticking to my moral compass rather than joining this band wagon.

Polo wrote:SokothQultuq, the benefits of everyone claiming cylon is overturning the efficiency of the Cylon Amnesty Act. Do you want Cylons to enjoy immunity? If you do, then don't claim Cylon. If you want them to be lynchable, then claim Cylon. Do you understand the logic behind this?

Dex wrote:So Say We All!

LC, or one of the Suspicious Seven: Zebra, Glorfindel, Vompati, Obscure, Rico, Sok, or Wilgy.

Do you not suspect Sig?

No actually I do not. Essentially your saying that if everyone does not Claim they are a Cylon then anyone at any point can just drop that rule to keep from being killed off. I don't see it that way. The rule was that if you claim it you can only claim it once and use the immunity that time. It's not continual. The only people who can use it is the people who have not claimed it regardless if they are or are not a cylon. So I still do not see how making a claim such as this helps the whole. I do not see your logic. Unless I'm wrong and the law stays active as long as one of us does not claim it and it can be used whenever... Which is it?

Matt wrote:I know Polo posted a list, but just wanted to post my updated list... (they might be the same, probably are, derp)...

a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
sig
Sokoth
Vompatti

9 players. Is that correct? Someone said 7 earlier, so I don't know if I'm missing something somewhere...

Of the names above, I am most curious of the red. Oh, and OA. She def not civ, right?

Daisy, Sokoth seems to be a friend of yours. What do you make of him seeing you claim Cylon but he won't do it himself? As a noob to Mafia, I'd assume he'd look to your lead in situations like this where the town is conflicted.

sig - I'm not down with anyone not claiming but I find you most curious because you have been legit asking others to claim but you won't do it yourself. Wtf?

Anyway, off to work. Peace

Actually I'm mostly on my own on this one, she does not want to break the rules and nor do I. Seeking guidance in a way might taint the experience.

To answer your question, I don't think it matters either way. I do not feel that making a claim that isn't true is correct in my moral compass. Why should I just get on the band wagon and say "Hey yeah, I'm a cylon" no. That's not me. You want proof I'm not a cylon. Find another way. I just don't see the benefit in it. Not to me or the entire group. If my claiming I'm a cylon has a "real" benefit then tell me what that is in a way I understand and I will gladly do so if it does not upset my moral compass. Some would say by doing this your all cylon or cylon sympathizers. The possibilities in this are endless but again I don't see the point.

As I stated before, I'm happy to answer questions you might have. I'm not exactly sure how I would convince you that I am or am not a Cylon. It's hard to find where you fit into this when everyone seems to know everyone, their habits and i'm sitting here watching trying to figure you all out so that I can make an informed decision and vote. But I've not a clue. Accept the little things I see in people or the little tells about there character or potential anyhow. I get that this isn't a "Role" play thing but I fail to see how you can get a "read" on anyone coming into something like this with no prior experience. So your about as lost about my role as I am about most of yours.

This is half of why I don't post that much. I'm here reading and trying to figure this out. One thing I do know is I will stay true to me. Stubborn when I believe in something until proven otherwise. Welcome to me. LOL

That was a lot of good, bad, and the Ugly... Good, bad, good... Why are we holding guns to peoples head. The pressure of end of day must be getting to you guys. Take a chill pill and rock the vote or something.. LOL

And I shall remain strong in my conviction and refuse to claim that which I am not... So I will be staying on your list of belligerent souls. LOL

Silverwolf wrote:Sokoth-although I don't know you that well as a player, your answers seemed genuine enough so I'm not really suspicious of you right now. Thanks for taking the time to help me out with that.

I have no problem giving answers when asked question. You are most welcome. Anytime you have questions just ask. 8-)

True but I don't believe I gave away my character. Just part of the "Character" of the Character. If that makes sense. LOL

Spacedaisy wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Sokoth-I'm not trying to be rude, but is this how you always play mafia. Stay out of the action, come in with a post about the mechanics once in awhile, vote on the popular wagon-I can't blame you for this one this time-and then peace out?

How is anyone supposed to figure you out? Serious question.

It's his first game ever. And I think he may be over estimating the part role playing your assigned role has in the game judging by things he is saying.

In part yes, but this is also part of my own real character too. I do not generally just band wagon jump. Occasionally yes. I also stick to my convictions until I am otherwise proven in error or see error where I have thought I was right to follow. I have a deep sense of honor.

If you want role play I can really pull the character out as I am familiar with the show enough that I do believe I could make it work really well. LOL

Silverwolf wrote:Sokoth-I'm not trying to be rude, but is this how you always play mafia. Stay out of the action, come in with a post about the mechanics once in awhile, vote on the popular wagon-I can't blame you for this one this time-and then peace out?

How is anyone supposed to figure you out? Serious question.

I don't take it as a rude question. I'm still lurking about. This is my one band wagon or half a band wagon if you will. As far as my activity. I'm reading, learning, chiming in when I see something to chime in on. Gave some feelings on a few people. This is after all my first game. So you'll have to bare with me a bit here as I'm still getting the hang of this. My post was legit and to the heart of my character. Both my character for the game and my personal character.

As far as figuring me out. I'm not even sure how to express myself in a way to allow you to "Figure me out". Hell I can barely tell whats genuine with half of you let alone how to conduct myself. I could start throwing out a bunch of nonsense and conjecture (Which i've seen a lot of) which will essentially mirror other peoples positions but frankly I don't care to do just that. As I see things I will say something and thus far my previous comments are all that I still Have aside from agreeing with recent observations and points. I may not post much but I'm usually pretty good once I get the hang of things about posting with a frequency that my schedule allows, and with more original content rather than playing off other peoples points.

Now, if you have questions or would like to engage me in some form of conversation please by all means. I would be more than happy to provide you with answers time permitting of course.

Though I do think some people made some fair observations on LoRab, and at the moment I don't feel I have the time to go back and analyze every post but I do not feel bad about jumping in on this vote. At the time I was called away for dinner, and thought I would have a previous engagement which I'm sad to say was canceled. So here I am again.

Thank you for asking, and I hope I answered your concerns. 8-)

So Say we all!

I cannot and will not claim something that I'm not! You can judge me all you want. I'm proud to stand up and say that I am a Human being! Only the gods can judge me! I've already said that I do not believe that all Cylons are bad and should be prosecuted for being such, but that's not my call. This is war. War is hell, and that was incredibly cliche. I will never argue that they should be held at arms length to find out what there true nature is. We've seen that they are not all out to kill us. We've even found out that one's been serving with us all this time and we didn't even know it. We've flown with them, worked next to them and didn't even know they was a Cylon. I would be willing to even go out on a limb and say that some of us may have even loved one at one point. Could you tell the difference? Not until they started trying to kill you I wager. So why should I stand up and make a false claim and say that I'm a Cylon? Hell maybe I am and I just don't know it yet! But until then, you cannot take my humanity from me and force me to make claims that I'm something I'm not. So no, I will not jump on this band wagon of people claiming they are Cylons.

However I will jump on this band wagon and vote LoRab as well.

Peace, Love, and Chicken Grease!

Keeping with my promise. I rolled a 10. So 3J it is..

I vote JaggedJimmyJay

Glorfindel wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:Seems a running theme that I'm bad. I realize that some of my posting was vague lately but that can be me. You'll find out as you come to know me. LOL

Postby JaggedJimmyJay » Sat May 14, 2016 9:59 pm

SokothQultuq wrote:
Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.


Could you please explain all of these reads individually? I'd like to know why you find all four of these names suspicious independent of one another, beyond the blanket sentences you've provided at the bottom here.

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Glorfindel - Actually your comment following up with my post pushes me toward believing that you could be a Baddie as your knee jerk reaction to my accusation. You failed to provide any substantial evidence to support the fact that you might be town but instead Knee Jerked with essentially "No I'm not, you are!" in this case. Call it a case of fishing to see what your reaction might be. And you reacted nicely. I thank you for that. Usually someone who is innocent of something does not immediately run in and start throwing around counter accusations.

An accusation, you say? You come in out of the blue and throw around accusations at a bunch of players with no case to back up against your accusations against any of them (because frankly there is none) and what do want us to make from that? I actually don't think you're Mafia - I can't see any Mafia Team member being that disingenuous.

Seems were both not winning any brownie points with one another. Your reaction is still the same. Convince me your not bad? You may be right, perhaps I am a "Good Guy" and I appreciate the vote of confidence. But you've given me no reason not to suspect that you might be otherwise. And your reaction continues to feed my suspicion. Why should I not consider you possible a Cylon agent?

Anyone know what time the vote has to be in today by?

Seems a running theme that I'm bad. I realize that some of my posting was vague lately but that can be me. You'll find out as you come to know me. LOL

Postby JaggedJimmyJay » Sat May 14, 2016 9:59 pm

SokothQultuq wrote:
Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.


Could you please explain all of these reads individually? I'd like to know why you find all four of these names suspicious independent of one another, beyond the blanket sentences you've provided at the bottom here.

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Glorfindel - Actually your comment following up with my post pushes me toward believing that you could be a Baddie as your knee jerk reaction to my accusation. You failed to provide any substantial evidence to support the fact that you might be town but instead Knee Jerked with essentially "No I'm not, you are!" in this case. Call it a case of fishing to see what your reaction might be. And you reacted nicely. I thank you for that. Usually someone who is innocent of something does not immediately run in and start throwing around counter accusations.

Long Con - Started out trying very hard to convince people they were a "Civ" from the beginning while also jumping on the band wagon that was previously started by another player. But started outright hinting at devious intentions while playing it off as a joke so its hard not to be suspicious. I myself like to play like this in games like this to keep people guessing. But its hard for me to say with all certainty that LC is bad because of my own pertinacity to do just the same. Later in the game when it came into question that a "Cylon" would know the exact coordinates of a Rez ship they played real hard toward convincing people that they were again Civ.

Sig - Wishy washy attitude towards Cylons. First its "Kill them all", then we go back to "Maybe we dont need to kill them all." I also found a few supporting comments of our having downed a few of the rez ships to feel somewhat disingenuous. But that could just be me.

JaggedJimmyJay - Seems to be pushing pretty hard, perhaps that is the nature of his character. Now in hindsight going back and reading more of the posts in history I'm starting to retract my opinion of him. Every good group needs a good leader who will take charge and help push things and the agenda along but that could be both good and bad. But I'm always suspicious of someone who goes in hard, fast, and loose. So I'm very on the ropes about my opinion here.

Does that help answer why more specifically? Right or wrong its about the only half way decent reads on people i've gotten so far being new to this. Some of you have made some excellent points on some others too which lead me toward voting on others over these few to a degree. But I'm not entirely sold.

Someone asked that we perhaps shake things up by voting randomly, I'm game for that. Not sure how we do that unless I get out some Dice equal to the amount of players and rock the vote based on the dice roll. If I havn't seen otherwise here in a bit I will commit to voting that way or if you have a suggestion on how to randomize the vote, I'm game.

Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.

I agree that these might be
Silverwolf
Epignosis
are the only two that I'm certain are not of the bad variety.
There are a couple of things that Silverwolf said that rang in my mind that guide me to the heart of her character. And we know who Epi is so that helps with my decision.

Granted I'm new but that's what I'm seeing.

LOL Spaced.. put in an airlock and blown out.

In this case "Lynched".

Spacedaisy wrote:Didn't the flip say Epi was Athena?

Your right, I had to go back and look. I see that someone else did too. Thank you for pointing that out. So my thoughts on Epi still stand, I don't believe they should be spaced because they are a Cylon.

sig wrote:but, in all seriousness I did some independent lore research and looked everything over and I'm willing to consider some cylons don't need to be lycnhed. However, nutella made this post.

nutella wrote:sig, people familiar with the show have insisted that Athena is a good character, are you ignoring that info? like I get that maybe we shouldn't assume that it's reflected in the roles in this game, but it would make some sense. are you not willing to entertain that possibility?


lorab I am so jealous!!!!!

So does that mean she was trying to cover for Athena and they're teammates. What does everyone think of this?

So my concern if were going into Lore. Which Sharon are we dealing with? Are we certain that we have the right one? Do we know for a fact that there are more than one on Galactica? If were dealing with Athena then I cannot condone sending her to her death just because she's a cylon without some sort of certainty. If this Sharon is boomer... then space the toaster... If were going on lore here.

Great job on getting another Rez ship!

That is a good point. I suppose I could have just said no to "Are you bad" LOL

No - I am not bad.

But what fun is it if you just come right out and say it? Its entirely more fun to keep people guessing. But out of context I can see how that would be seen as nefarious.

bea wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:You know it came up briefly but it seemed like it was a topic that was either ignored but seems to be a reoccurring theme question... Are Cylons good or bad? Do they have the capacity to be either or? Are they simply just a program or more? I'm curious what some of you think. Are Cylons inherently bad because they cannot think beyond programming? Or are they truly evolved?

It might make me looked down on but I feel like they could be either. I believe that if they've learned to think like true artificial intelligence then they can also learn to think for themselves. If they can show compassion and love. Think for themselves and make decisions then perhaps they are not all bad. At what point do we set aside our anger and hate for these things and see them for what they are. Alive. But who makes that decision? Are Cylons or at least the models that look, think, and act like humans are they alive? Do they meet the scientific criteria for something that is honestly alive? I'm no scientist or biologist but someone has to know that answer.

I think the thread has been having this exact discussion since Epi flipped Athena.

fwiw - I've thought that cylons *could* be civ before Epi flipped Athena. Specifically FOR the role he flipped.

I think the peeps who think on both sides of the fence have been clearly known.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here but atm, it feels too little too late. I don't mean that negatively. I don't want to shut down your talking - I want to understand where you are coming from and why you ignored my post in response to your last post before this 24 hour time that asked specific questions for specific things.

I'm sad you only responded to Matt's "are you bad" post.

Please help me and everyone else understand you better.

The problem I find with your question "Are you bad" is that I would have to give away my nature in order to answer your question and that would most certainly defeat the purpose of the game I would think.

If your asking my option if I'm a good or bad person I believe that is a relative opinion in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion I would say aside from my wacky nature I would say I'm good. I was being a smart ass which I have a tendency to be at times.

As far as your observation on my question about the Cylon = Good or bad thing. I didn't feel that it was clear where most people stood. Could be that I was confused honestly there was a lot of back and forth and lets not forget all the random terminology I'm not used to seeing yet. I was hoping for more elaboration with perhaps a bit more clear context perhaps simplification even.

If I missed a question you asked, please feel free to ask again. I'm off to bed myself. G'night all.

This is starting to spiral.... quickly.

Epignosis wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:You know it came up briefly but it seemed like it was a topic that was either ignored but seems to be a reoccurring theme question... Are Cylons good or bad? Do they have the capacity to be either or? Are they simply just a program or more? I'm curious what some of you think. Are Cylons inherently bad because they cannot think beyond programming? Or are they truly evolved?

It might make me looked down on but I feel like they could be either. I believe that if they've learned to think like true artificial intelligence then they can also learn to think for themselves. If they can show compassion and love. Think for themselves and make decisions then perhaps they are not all bad. At what point do we set aside our anger and hate for these things and see them for what they are. Alive. But who makes that decision? Are Cylons or at least the models that look, think, and act like humans are they alive? Do they meet the scientific criteria for something that is honestly alive? I'm no scientist or biologist but someone has to know that answer.

LOLOLOL You think?

Epignosis wrote:I'd be willing to vote for you in order to find out.

That is your prerogative. But I don't think you want to do that, you might regret it later. 8-)

You know it came up briefly but it seemed like it was a topic that was either ignored but seems to be a reoccurring theme question... Are Cylons good or bad? Do they have the capacity to be either or? Are they simply just a program or more? I'm curious what some of you think. Are Cylons inherently bad because they cannot think beyond programming? Or are they truly evolved?

It might make me looked down on but I feel like they could be either. I believe that if they've learned to think like true artificial intelligence then they can also learn to think for themselves. If they can show compassion and love. Think for themselves and make decisions then perhaps they are not all bad. At what point do we set aside our anger and hate for these things and see them for what they are. Alive. But who makes that decision? Are Cylons or at least the models that look, think, and act like humans are they alive? Do they meet the scientific criteria for something that is honestly alive? I'm no scientist or biologist but someone has to know that answer.

Matt wrote:

bea wrote:best advice I can give is just keep being you - damn how everyone else sees it.

I know this was to Silvy, but I'm takin' it for meeself.

OA - If you have a problem with my gameplay and feel like no longer playing because of it, please take it to the Mod. Thanks. Also, I take issue with your choice of words, such as "attack". I have not been "attacking" people.

SW - Please give me examples of every quote that I "took out of context". Thanks.

Klingon noob - Are you bad?

bea again - Just so you know, I might suspect you at some point down the line, but if I do, know it's with love. Right now you seem alright.

LOLOLOLOL - Really? Sure, I'm going to admit that in an open forum. I do like toast, perhaps that makes me a Toaster... Humm... would that be kind of like cannibalism? I suppose not, because toast is not actually a metal thing but the metal things are trying to be like living things. Its really confusing. Though I've met a toaster and they didn't seem half bad. Eh.. What do you think Matt? Am I a Toaster?

Well that was a fun Who-flung-poo fest. This keeps getting better and better every time I read in. Lots of in fighting, and some valid and valuable points regarding some other characters. I'm starting to feel like Matt and JJJ might not be on the good side of things.

Someone made a valid point that stuck with me regarding his avoidance of the Rez Ship search. Why completely avoid the topic if your nervous about it being found?

Matt appears to be the rabble rouse who continues to distract people with in-fighting. It reminds me of two characters that were at odds in the show from a political standpoint. So I'm on the fence about bad or good honestly. But if any of that was based on character background personality it certainly was entertaining.. If not... Well then this just took a turn for the worse.

Fascinating indeed.

Damn! I was literally about to cast a vote... Day late and a dollar short... back to the drawing board....

bea wrote:Ok - I'm well rested and my first cup of coffee is almost gone, so this has a chance of actually making sense!

I will start with thoughts on people -

I like where Matt, Indi, Rico and Drum have been headspace wise. I have the good feels for them.

Though I may not always agree with what she says, I think Silver is fighting the good fight too.

Peeps I'm worried about:

Zeebs - I don't know if she's got a lot going on or if she's changing up her game play, but her play here reminds me of when she and I were bad in Rocky and Bullwinkle. When she was Boris, she was very agreeable in the thread and hid behind a single suspish the whole way though. It went mostly unnoticed for a long time. I tend to associate civ Zeebs with being a little more vocal with what she thinks. I know this has caused some round and round with her and others before so I've been trying to give some botd in case she's changing up her playstyle because I can't imagine having a go with someone every fracking game is fun. Still, I've got my eyes on her.

LC - so the whole sortie thing kinda reminded me of the Talking Heads game where LC came out with a junk case on me. It was junk. It was such junk that I actually defended him when he was all "Oh, it was just a joke." I said no way would bad LC make a case THAT lame against me. The RYM peeps weren't having any of that and lynched him anyway. Lo and behold - he was bad and for the next two cycles everyone was convinced I was the second part of a gambit that I totally wasn't a part of. His kill all cylons stance gives me some pause though. I can't see a bad cylon having that store of attitude.

LA - I can see where peeps are worried about her. She really is a little nubby when civ and an expert at faking the nub when she's bad. I know she was super busy graduating and stuff. I can see why some people would say her comments on ika were adding fuel to the fire of a bad situation. I need to see more from her to make up my mind.

Speaking of people I need to see more from:

I'd love to hear more from Black Rock. Again, I know how similar our schedules are and she has a family to care for on top of it. Game start was super bad timing for peeps who work in food service on a holiday weekend. This thread is a bear to get through. having spent all of yesterday slogging through it, I'd say skip where it's appropriate to skip. You'll know it when you get there.

DF - I agree with whoever said we should give him some more time. I know how much I was looking forward to this catch up. He consistantly gets more involved as the game goes on. That said - DF - if you can give us anything along the lines of reads or where your head is at it would be greatly appriciated.

I'd also like to hear a bit more from our newer players.

Ina - people were in thread speculating about a replacement for you. Did you ask for one and I missed it? Out side of the shear volume of the posts is there something in the game that you are struggling with and it's hindering your involvement? Please feel free to post any questions you have. We really are a friendly group. Even when we are yelling at each other!

Sok - same for you - is there something besides the volume (I can't really help with that - they are a chatty lot) that's holding your back from posting?


Not sure where my vote is going at this point, but here's where my head is at.

Gonna make some game structure comments in another post as this is getting longish.

I'm mostly lost trying to figure things out and where I fit in all of this to be honest. LOL I chime in when and where I can but most of the conversation is all over the place. Feels like mostly misdirection to be honest. But as far as contributing I'm kind of at a loss for how. I can't vote for someone's demise unless I'm fairly certain. Another thing that dawned on me is I'm not sure how we gauge when Night and Day changes. is that in line with a specific time zone? on the literal day.

I'm reading all these posts and people seem to be trying to help now, no one seems overly eager other than maybe JJJ who I suspect I know which character he's drawing from. Which puts me on the fence about his allegiance. I'm pretty sure I've got Silver's character background down and I'm pretty sure they are a Civilian/Townie whatever you call it. outside of that. The only person who I was for sure needed to go is now gone. LOL Missed that vote.

This is my first game, so I'm trying to get a feel for how its played and even after so many posts I still feel kind of lost. And not really sure how to contribute.

No hidden meaning. I was just poking fun. 8-) As for suspecting anyone... I'm not sure how your supposed to get a feel that sort of thing yet. I'm reading along and spotting little hints about peoples potential characters but outside of this there is nothing to justify that anyone is any particular person and therefore its hard to make an educated decision. Most of you have played together for some time based on the banter and have a clue about how each of you react so it kind of puts the noob in the room at a disadvantage. LOL

Based on certain people's actions and reactions I've yet to see anyone do anything outright damaging. Some people who were quick to assist are suspect to me sometimes but that is difficult to gauge because normal people would be helpful. I think I've got a read on at least two peoples background characters based on activity, paranoia, and mentions of Heath Issues assuming that was not intended as a RL outburst which it could have been.

I find it very difficult to point a finger without enough evidence to say that they are a baddie or a goodie. I do think it odd to encourage voting for players who've not yet participated though. Especially coming off a holiday weekend. Giving it a couple of days would yield better results to see how they jump in. But that is my humble read of the current situation.

LOL I like that. Low post count = Scum... LOL Sorry I've not had enough to say. I'm mostly lurking and learning... Its important you know. One must study one's prey to understand it... Learn its habits... patterns... and so far all I've learned is that indiglo hits the head way too much and leaves behind a glowing mess. Scotty spends way too much time staring at technology and Spacedaisy continues to stare longingly into space way too much. So much for the study... LOLOL

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:Takes one to know one...whats your brand? Kitchenaid?

Spoiler: show

I knew it! Irrefutable Proof!!!

Takes one to know one...whats your brand? Kitchenaid?

No... I'm not a frak'n toaster!

So Say we all!

Dear gods, If I have to listen to IKA repeat himself over and over again about Cylon Scum I may have to cast a vote his direction for being a broken toaster... I'f I could go hide out on the hanger deck playing with some electronics what would be amazing vs. listening to that crap over and over. How about something a little more constructive...

Some interesting little clues left behind by some in there. I wish I could keep up with you mad posters.

I think its very important that we find that Resurrection ship. if we don't put enough resources into that we wont ever kill off the toasters that are more than meets the eye. Too bad we cannot dispatch more. A raptor would be handy that's for sure.

If I had more predictable posting times I would volunteer to take one of the selections but I think you guys have it well in hand. The idea of the checker board is great, but I also like the random choices. But that's just me.

Humm...

Null meaning nothing or zero... Means that they are inferring that they are Not Scum? LOLOL That is most fascinating to me. This banter that continues to go on and on to distract people away from the topic at hand seems awfully suspicious to me. Lots of good arguments and stuff mixed in with what appears to be a bunch of cross comms chatter... Very nicely done. Please continue, as confusing as this seems it is entertaining and enlightening.

Looks like the popular vote is leaning very slowly towards Epignosis. Why would Silverwolf and Metalmarsh be so certain?

I think I'll chime in here as I've also seen the show. There was a special one I think that was called "The Plan" or something like that (its been a while). It was what the Cylons planned to do after the failed mass extermination of the human race of the 12 colonies to try and finish the job.

Just a thought.

I'm so freaking confused..... I donno what's going on... ::head to desk...head to desk...::

Sorry I was unable to assist with the Cypher, usually I'm on top of things but was tied up. But I'm ripped rocked and ready to roll. So say we all!