The Syndicate

sig wrote:Also Glorfindel saying that players were pushing lore to the wrong conclusion makes me believe he wasn't mafia even if the lore said he should be, furthers my belief he wasn't mafia.

Ricochet wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

Ricochet wrote:G-Man didn't salute.

ObscureAllure wrote:Either SVS or Polo is bad. Frankly, the fact that Polo is saying that he's 100% sure without posting evidence as to why and ISNT getting punished makes me think he's full of shit. I said something way less confirmative and got punished for it. If tomorrow is Polo vs SVS, I guess we will find out which one.

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me why we aren't lynching confirmed Cylon Wigly?!?? One in three (or more) chance of being bad as opposed to the unknown player who is about 2 in three chance of being civvie!?!

Linki: WIGLY, sig (although I think I may have found an alternative situation in my reread here so I reserve the right to remove), rabbit (I think Zebra was recruited), Matt, and either Polo or SVS

Could you rephrase this, I'm a bit lost in the odds you put forth.

linki: Actually, Vompatti did not post on Day Five.

I'm on the phone so I'm doing it in my head but we are assuming there are between 3-5 Mafia left right? Of 20 peoples. So the random player lynched is three times more likely to be townie than Mafia. However, Wigly isn't six and y'all say that leaves 1 good Cylon left. So there's about 3 Mafia colons he could be, but only 1 good one he could be. He's more likely to be a Mafia statistically than an unknown human or Cylon player. Statistically, we have better odds of finding a Mafia if we lunch him than a random other player. I don't understand why everyone is ignoring this?!

Why as many as five? Is that including Final Five potential baddies / converts or potential human baddies.

Also, it wasn't my impression that we're randomly lynching players.

But overall I understand your point better now, thanks.

Don't know yet how to judge this. Should we clean Wilgy just because the odds are against him to be good? The late Dex made a strong case for Wilgy being Conoy. Do you disagree with it? Also his odds improve (at least lore-wise) if he's actually F5.

Ricochet wrote:G-Man didn't salute.

ObscureAllure wrote:Either SVS or Polo is bad. Frankly, the fact that Polo is saying that he's 100% sure without posting evidence as to why and ISNT getting punished makes me think he's full of shit. I said something way less confirmative and got punished for it. If tomorrow is Polo vs SVS, I guess we will find out which one.

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me why we aren't lynching confirmed Cylon Wigly?!?? One in three (or more) chance of being bad as opposed to the unknown player who is about 2 in three chance of being civvie!?!

Linki: WIGLY, sig (although I think I may have found an alternative situation in my reread here so I reserve the right to remove), rabbit (I think Zebra was recruited), Matt, and either Polo or SVS

Could you rephrase this, I'm a bit lost in the odds you put forth.

linki: Actually, Vompatti did not post on Day Five.

Matt wrote:@ GOLDAMA

Golden wrote:I've just done three days worth of treason counting

My, weren't so many of you bad on day six...

Be wary of incoming punishments.

Can you confirm whether you meant "three days" in real time or "three days" as in phases?

In addition, even if Golden meant three day phases as of Night 6, that would mean Day 6, 5, and 4 going backwards.

Vomps missed three by Day 2.

So it still holds true that Vomps was not silenced after missing three SSWA's, but Drumbeats was.

I do NOT think this is a case of Golden being lazy or behind. He has obvi put mucho effort into this game of his, and I think there's a reason some players get three times and some get five times. I have no idea what that reason is, but I find it amusing both 3J and Drum want to sweep it under the rug.

@Obscure - You need to die. Die die die. Please. A fiery horrible death. Thanks. And I have no idea if there is a recruit or not. IF there is such a thing, then I would have to believe Epig would need to go immediately.

DrumBeats wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:MATT

DO YOU
THINK
RECRUITMENT
IS VERY LIKELY
IN THIS
GAME?!

I'm not Matt, but I think it is a possibility for how the final five mechanic could come into play. I remember people saying/looking into it on the wiki, that of the final five, most of them sided with the humans in the show and one sided with the cylons. I'm wondering if the cylons have a role that lets them recruit the final five over to their side.

Polo wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:Either SVS or Polo is bad. Frankly, the fact that Polo is saying that he's 100% sure without posting evidence as to why and ISNT getting punished makes me think he's full of shit. I said something way less confirmative and got punished for it. If tomorrow is Polo vs SVS, I guess we will find out which one.

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me why we aren't lynching confirmed Cylon Wigly?!?? One in three (or more) chance of being bad as opposed to the unknown player who is about 2 in three chance of being civvie!?!


Linki: WIGLY, sig (although I think I may have found an alternative situation in my reread here so I reserve the right to remove), rabbit (I think Zebra was recruited), Matt, and either Polo or SVS

Can you assure me that if I'm NK'd tonight you will vote for S~V~S tomorrow?

Matt wrote:RIP bea.

Not going to lie, you were one of my top susses. One reason that I never shared was that Glorfindel at one point used the word "maths". I looked into his entire post history at the Syndicate, and he had never used that word before until this game. And I know you use the word "maths" often, so I thought maybe you were saying it in btsc and he picked up on it.

Alas, that wasn't so.

Now, ObscureAllure, I would like to know...

ObscureAllure wrote:Bea - I keep seeing you say you're a nub player. have you not been playing for years?

What was your intent with this post? Did you think that bea was trying to trick people into thinking she was actually a nub who just started playing? Tbh, this question just seems like it's there to make bea jump through hoops and I don't like it.

G-Man wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So both sig and Wigly are confirmed cylons due to surviving their lynches. I think we can all agree that there is likely only one good cylon left. This means at least one of the two of them should be bad. Are we not going to discuss this?

Didn't we come to the conclusion that there were likely two goods left earlier (Cap Six + Leoben)? I remember that was what Dex was pushing

He's not Six, so it leaves one. I figured out a long time ago who six and Gaias are. I'm honestly shocked more people haven't. He's not six.

I had an idea of who Baltar might be, but then it didn't check out after a certain lynch. So.

Would you be willing to start a sentence with "I think" and then say who?

Helllllll no. But I WILL say I think it's non of the people who are known/highly suspected cylons (Wigly, sig). Which leaves only one possibly good role and two cylons. One of them has to be bad. (possibly both is neither one is the last good guy, or if the good guy isn't actually good.) Despite Dex's dying comment, I'm more likely to suspect Wigly on it. But I'm not ready to vote for that, yet. I think Matt and Polo are also highly likely to be cylons. Of the four, though, Sig is probably my vote. Sig voted for Glor the day Glor was saved, but when voted for Wigly the day that Glor was dying? Why? Also voted for Zebra the day that LoRab died, but NeroLunar to save LoRab? The votes seem odd. It feels like a baddie trying to save LoRab in both cases, and then trying to hide in the Glor bandwagon while he was safe before trying to shift attention to Wigly when Glor was no longer safe.


Matt - please run it through again and repost to help with the translation.

Articulate, if you would please, why you think LoRab was not civ-aligned / anti-Cavil. The lore folks suggested she might have been, given the character's rebellion against Cavil on the show.

Ricochet wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So both sig and Wigly are confirmed cylons due to surviving their lynches. I think we can all agree that there is likely only one good cylon left. This means at least one of the two of them should be bad. Are we not going to discuss this?

Didn't we come to the conclusion that there were likely two goods left earlier (Cap Six + Leoben)? I remember that was what Dex was pushing

He's not Six, so it leaves one. I figured out a long time ago who six and Gaias are. I'm honestly shocked more people haven't. He's not six.

I had an idea of who Baltar might be, but then it didn't check out after a certain lynch. So.

Would you be willing to start a sentence with "I think" and then say who?

DrumBeats wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So both sig and Wigly are confirmed cylons due to surviving their lynches. I think we can all agree that there is likely only one good cylon left. This means at least one of the two of them should be bad. Are we not going to discuss this?

Didn't we come to the conclusion that there were likely two goods left earlier (Cap Six + Leoben)? I remember that was what Dex was pushing

Ricochet wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So both sig and Wigly are confirmed cylons due to surviving their lynches. I think we can all agree that there is likely only one good cylon left. This means at least one of the two of them should be bad. Are we not going to discuss this?

Not much of this makes sense.

How did sig survive his lynch as a Cylon? His claim was long exhausted.

How is there only one good cylon left, when Six and Conoy have not surfaced yet?

I would still like to discuss how sig might have survived and what does that tell us, yes. For one, the defensive bond between sig and Glor was very in-your-face, to omit it from analysis right now. Still, unless mafia has a lynch stop, this detail can make me inclined to not see it pointing at mafia sig

Polo wrote:ObscureAllure, how in the heavens is sig a confirmed Cylon?

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Going back a bit:

The Glorfindel/G-Man interaction smells artificial and fishy to me, and not like a red herring. I have to ISO G-Man because he appears to be trying too hard to look neutral. He could be mafia too.

G-Man wrote:As I see no reason not to, vote = Glorfindel

Burning bridges on your way out is considered poor form.

Is this you trying to burn the bridge that leads us to you, G-Man?

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Very well, my post on S~V~S.

DISCLAIMER: I am working with the hypothesis that S~V~S is mafia, and possibly John Cavil. I will explain here why I think she's mafia and why I think she's Cavil, and all commentary will be made with the assumption that I am correct.

Should I convince you to lynch her, there could be two outcomes to this:

> S~V~S is civ: I will gladly accept to be lynched on the following day if this is the case, which I doubt it will be.
> S~V~S is mafia: We'll be much closer to victory.

Therefore, I am playing this move like a poker player going all in with the entire stake; and I only do this in poker when I truly believe I am going to reap the rewards.

Let's begin:


Day 1: S~V~S voted Ricochet:

She voted Rico near the closing of the poll, even though she suspected G-Man, because she "didn't want to spread the votes", and Rico's insistence on the importance of saying "so say we all" was making her suspicious. This is a lame excuse for a vote, IMO. But it is after all Day 1, and it doesn't matter much.

Day 2: S~V~S voted nutella:

Nutella was Number Four, and according to show lore, the #4 aboard the fleet was reluctant to support the Cylon cause. The other #4s were all evil.
If this game's Simon O'Neill was mafia, then I can see this vote being S~V~S throwing one of her own under the bus in order to escape any suspicion, for her survival is vital to the Cavil faction.
If this game's Simon O'Neill is based on the good #4, then this is S~V~S eliminating a nuisance.

She said if Nutella flips bad, then Spacedaisy is bad too. Spacedaisy was NK'd on N5. She wanted Daisy gone and some players even began to read her as bad, e.g. Dex, but it didn't work out and mafia decided to nightkill her.

Day 3: S~V~S voted Lorab:

S~V~S was the 5th vote on the Lorab bandwagon. If D'Anna Biers was civ, then this is mafia attempting to eliminate a target. If D'Anna was mafia, this could be an attempt to make oneself's vote record clean to the eyes of investigators. Other than this, nothing much suspicious on this day.

Day 4: S~V~S voted Lorab:

S~V~S was extremely certain at Day 4 that Long Con was Admiral Cain. At such an early date, in which no one could have amassed enough material to narrow down people to their roles, this kind of certainty is abnormal - and it leads me to believe that her rolepower (or the rolepower of some mafioso with whom she has BTSC) is to discover her target's role. Nonetheless, she jumped on the Lorab wagon, and was the 10th person to vote for her.

On this very day, JaggedJimmyJay decided to get everyone to do GTH reads. Here are S~V~S's reads:

red = mafia
black = good

a2thezebra (now Rabbit)
bea
Black Rock
Dex: dead
DrWilgy (CYLON)
Drumbeats
Epignosis (CYLON)
G-Man
Glorfindel: dead (CYLON)
JJJay
juliets: dead
Long Con: dead
LoRab: dead (CYLON)
Matt
Marmot: dead
ObscureAllure
Polo
Ricochet
Scotty: dead
Sig
Silverwolf
SokothQultuq
Spacedaisy: dead
Vompatti: dead

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On Night Four is when I started to suspect S~V~S.

This exchange jumped to my eyes:

S~V~S wrote:

Polo wrote:I'll repeat myself: I'd rather go after Cavil and his pack before doing anything with regards to Cain.

Do you know who he is?

Let's do it. Give me a name.

S~V~S was the only person here who argued with me on this. It's a major red flag in my book. By showing confidence at asking me to give her a name, she wanted me to forget any possibility of her being Cavil, but this little trick was her big mistake.

She somehow KNEW Long Con was Cain, she had suspected him before and definitely had him checked before convincing everyone he was Cain and that Cain should die before Cavil, thus freeing her and her mates from the disadvantages of martial law.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 64#p279764
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p279750
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p279755

By being the only person to actually confront me on this, she revealed 3 things: 1. She was dead certain Long Con was Cain, and this must have required the act of a rolechecker; 2. She showed how martial law was against her interests; 3. She revealed that it would be more beneficial to her to lynch a Cylon-hating human than to try to find and kill a Cylon before doing anything with regards to martial law.

Martial law could only be bad to the civ team if the civ team decided to go after the good Cylons. Nobody in this game had an intent to lynch the good Cylons like Epignosis, so martial law could have been ignored until we had killed the Cavil faction, after which we could lynch Long Con.

S~V~S needed Long Con gone ASAP more than anyone on this game. She is part of the Cavil faction; more than simply that, she is John Cavil.


Day 5: S~V~S voted DrWilgy:
I believe Dr. Wilgy is civ, and that he's either Caprica Six or Leoben Conoy.

Day 6: S~V~S voted sig:
Sig is someone I've read as mafia before but who I've begun to read as a civ.

Day 7: I don't know who she voted for on day 7 - I forgot to add that day's votes onto my spreadsheet. Can anybody give me a hand on this?

Matt wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:I would love to see actual IN GAME evidence on any of the people you suspect for once. Not saying I agree or disagree with any of your suspish, just would really love to see something other than Meta or outside factors being your evidence.

Hey!

You never answered me...

Matt wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

Also, I don't know what Matt knows you are talking about.

Oh, he does. Trust me. He's playing dumb now but he let it slip earlier. He knows exactly why I thought what I did about LC. The fact that it didn't bring him to think the same says a lot about Matt.

So this has been really bugging me.

Do me a favor. You don't have to point it out, but if you could just link me to the post itself, I will examine it in it's entirety to try to understand what you think I "let slip earlier".

I'm totally curious as to what you think I know about which I almost certainly do not know.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

Polo wrote:ObscureAllure, how in the heavens is sig a confirmed Cylon?

____________________________________________________________________

Going back a bit:

The Glorfindel/G-Man interaction smells artificial and fishy to me, and not like a red herring. I have to ISO G-Man because he appears to be trying too hard to look neutral. He could be mafia too.

G-Man wrote:As I see no reason not to, vote = Glorfindel

Burning bridges on your way out is considered poor form.

Is this you trying to burn the bridge that leads us to you, G-Man?

____________________________________________________________________

Very well, my post on S~V~S.

DISCLAIMER: I am working with the hypothesis that S~V~S is mafia, and possibly John Cavil. I will explain here why I think she's mafia and why I think she's Cavil, and all commentary will be made with the assumption that I am correct.

Should I convince you to lynch her, there could be two outcomes to this:

> S~V~S is civ: I will gladly accept to be lynched on the following day if this is the case, which I doubt it will be.
> S~V~S is mafia: We'll be much closer to victory.

Therefore, I am playing this move like a poker player going all in with the entire stake; and I only do this in poker when I truly believe I am going to reap the rewards.

Let's begin:


Day 1: S~V~S voted Ricochet:

She voted Rico near the closing of the poll, even though she suspected G-Man, because she "didn't want to spread the votes", and Rico's insistence on the importance of saying "so say we all" was making her suspicious. This is a lame excuse for a vote, IMO. But it is after all Day 1, and it doesn't matter much.

Day 2: S~V~S voted nutella:

Nutella was Number Four, and according to show lore, the #4 aboard the fleet was reluctant to support the Cylon cause. The other #4s were all evil.
If this game's Simon O'Neill was mafia, then I can see this vote being S~V~S throwing one of her own under the bus in order to escape any suspicion, for her survival is vital to the Cavil faction.
If this game's Simon O'Neill is based on the good #4, then this is S~V~S eliminating a nuisance.

She said if Nutella flips bad, then Spacedaisy is bad too. Spacedaisy was NK'd on N5. She wanted Daisy gone and some players even began to read her as bad, e.g. Dex, but it didn't work out and mafia decided to nightkill her.

Day 3: S~V~S voted Lorab:

S~V~S was the 5th vote on the Lorab bandwagon. If D'Anna Biers was civ, then this is mafia attempting to eliminate a target. If D'Anna was mafia, this could be an attempt to make oneself's vote record clean to the eyes of investigators. Other than this, nothing much suspicious on this day.

Day 4: S~V~S voted Lorab:

S~V~S was extremely certain at Day 4 that Long Con was Admiral Cain. At such an early date, in which no one could have amassed enough material to narrow down people to their roles, this kind of certainty is abnormal - and it leads me to believe that her rolepower (or the rolepower of some mafioso with whom she has BTSC) is to discover her target's role. Nonetheless, she jumped on the Lorab wagon, and was the 10th person to vote for her.

On this very day, JaggedJimmyJay decided to get everyone to do GTH reads. Here are S~V~S's reads:

red = mafia
black = good

a2thezebra (now Rabbit)
bea
Black Rock
Dex: dead
DrWilgy (CYLON)
Drumbeats
Epignosis (CYLON)
G-Man
Glorfindel: dead (CYLON)
JJJay
juliets: dead
Long Con: dead
LoRab: dead (CYLON)
Matt
Marmot: dead
ObscureAllure
Polo
Ricochet
Scotty: dead
Sig
Silverwolf
SokothQultuq
Spacedaisy: dead
Vompatti: dead

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On Night Four is when I started to suspect S~V~S.

This exchange jumped to my eyes:

S~V~S wrote:

Polo wrote:I'll repeat myself: I'd rather go after Cavil and his pack before doing anything with regards to Cain.

Do you know who he is?

Let's do it. Give me a name.

S~V~S was the only person here who argued with me on this. It's a major red flag in my book. By showing confidence at asking me to give her a name, she wanted me to forget any possibility of her being Cavil, but this little trick was her big mistake.

She somehow KNEW Long Con was Cain, she had suspected him before and definitely had him checked before convincing everyone he was Cain and that Cain should die before Cavil, thus freeing her and her mates from the disadvantages of martial law.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 64#p279764
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p279750
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p279755

By being the only person to actually confront me on this, she revealed 3 things: 1. She was dead certain Long Con was Cain, and this must have required the act of a rolechecker; 2. She showed how martial law was against her interests; 3. She revealed that it would be more beneficial to her to lynch a Cylon-hating human than to try to find and kill a Cylon before doing anything with regards to martial law.

Martial law could only be bad to the civ team if the civ team decided to go after the good Cylons. Nobody in this game had an intent to lynch the good Cylons like Epignosis, so martial law could have been ignored until we had killed the Cavil faction, after which we could lynch Long Con.

S~V~S needed Long Con gone ASAP more than anyone on this game. She is part of the Cavil faction; more than simply that, she is John Cavil.


Day 5: S~V~S voted DrWilgy:
I believe Dr. Wilgy is civ, and that he's either Caprica Six or Leoben Conoy.

Day 6: S~V~S voted sig:
Sig is someone I've read as mafia before but who I've begun to read as a civ.

Day 7: I don't know who she voted for on day 7 - I forgot to add that day's votes onto my spreadsheet. Can anybody give me a hand on this?

S~V~S is John Cavil. She did things because she is John Cavil. She bussed a teammate or two because she is John Cavil. She wanted Long Con gone because she is John Cavil. Therefore she is John Cavil.

That's what I got from this.

Don't forget the part where I disagreed with him.And the other parts where I disagreed with him.

Linki @ Polo, no, I read it, and that is exactly what I got from it. You totally disagree with where my head is coming from, therefore I must be bad. And if Epi, OA & I were a baddie team together, we would have won already

Polo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:@Polo

I voted Glorfindel, and I said repeatedly that I had no info on LC. I have been playing mafia with LC since 2009, though. So I just *knew* something was up with him before Cain was revealed, and once Cain was revealed, I knew what it was.

Sorry if you disagreed with me that Cain was a priority, but it is harder to the civs to win if they need civ cylons dead. And I am sure he had another kill or something up his sleeve that he held back for a night or two so people trusted him.

I disagreed with you, so I am bad? I confronted you becasue I thought you were dead wrong, and still think so.

And you know what, I believe Wilgy is civ now, too. But on that day I did not. And you think sig is good, so I am bad becasue I suspect him?

Basically your case boils down to "SVS disagrees with me, and had the nerve to confront me in the thread about it, she is bad."

That's a very bad reduction. I suggest you turn the heat down and try simmering my post.

You confronted me because you are John Cavil and because you thought that by keeping your chin pointed upwards and acting aggressive towards that post you would be clear you of any suspicions.

The more I read back into this game, the more I believe Glorfindel could have been civ and that Epignosis could be mafia. ObscureAllure's last post, by the way, right before she spoke in smilies for two days, was this:

ObscureAllure wrote:And there are two number 8s.

This triggered the event. I'm now working with the hypothesis of S~V~S, ObscureAllure and Epignosis all being evil Cylons.

Epignosis wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't think I did.

Hell, I meant to hit the full editor button and hit submit instead.

Glorfindel sounded alone, and his interactions with people don't have the same cadence I witnessed in Star Wars when he and his teammates put on a show in the thread. That doesn't mean it didn't happen here, but I wonder if Glorfindel felt he could say he wasn't mafia because he doesn't have traditional BTSC. His desperation was on a completely different level than what I saw in Star Wars. It sounded...lonely.

Matt wrote:

Dex wrote:Strongest civ reads: Epi, S~V~S, Matt.

Sorry for being all over the place dude, it's how I roll. Well people say that or they say I tunnel too much. And both of those are the complete opposite so I wish peeps would stop pigeon holing me with those haha. It was a joy to have you and indi aboard the Galactica, though.

Agree with your civ reads tho I'm skeptical on Epi because on the possibility of recruitment. Based purely on a game mechanic from earlier, I believe SVS is civvie but it's funny because I think I've actually said this to both of them this game...they both give me the heebies at times. Hrm.

Anyway, peace out Dex.

@Epi - So to follow up, are you thinking Boomer was an indy bad or a waiting to be recruited bad?

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Okay. There's a recruiter.

What do you do about it?

Pay attention....

Pay attention.

Dex wrote:Bea

Bea's voting record does not look good. She did not vote Nutella on Day 2. On Day 3, after LoRab claimed, she jumped on the Nero bandwagon, contributing to the Tighe lynch. 3J called this "the most suspicious" vote in Nero's wagon. The next day, after LoRab' immunity has expired, she jumps on that. She professes "ecstasy" when LC is lynched Day 5, but did not vote for him; neither did she vote for a declared and untouchable DrWilgy.

Day 6, she does vote Glorfindel, but at the very last minute, long after he declared and was in no danger of being lynched. This is a classic distancing vote. Then Bea reads like she is begging him for an excuse to vote somewhere else:

bea wrote:Glor. I'm reading what you say. And I'm trying to get what you are saying. My only question is a simple one. If not you then who do we lynch and why?

bea wrote:Glor - I get that you're frustrated but I am trying to understand you. I'm not being willfully ignorant. I'm trying to open my mind and my expectations. I'm trying to balance my knowledge of the show with the actual game. I'm trying to use both pieces of information together to come to the best possible decision in a semi-closed set up with little information.

bea wrote:Glor I get what you are saying. It's possible that the bad guys do not follow show 100 percent. Here's my continued hang up. If not that way, how are they formed?

In the end, though, she just misses the vote.


I am not a fan of meta evidence (I really didn't like Sig and 3Js meta defences of the Glorf). I don't play a whole lot of mafia and don't have a lot of history with most of the players in this game. But Bea and I go way back, she has probably played in most if not all of the games I've been in, and I have observed her in games that Indi played or that I co-hosted. I believe that bad Bea tends towards the self-deprecating; a lot of I'm drfunk, I'm lost, I'm a nub, I'm catching up, please explain it to me like I'm a 3-year old and so forth, and there has been a LOT of that by her in this game.

You know I adore you, lil sis, but I suspect your role is a vile one what needs lynching.

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Recruit team with kill? Game is broken, town is fraked.

Recruit team without kill? Sure, make that two ways of judging things differently, then. But then the angle of JJJ hunting nutella doesn't really matter. It was on Day 2 and JJJ could have been recruited at any point in the game.

I have seen civs win a two team game with a recruit factor. I hosted it, and the host of this game won it, Dogma.

It was my belief that Obscure pointed at a recruit team as the alternative to a second mafia team, not two mafia teams that can add to their numbers by one or two.

DrWilgy wrote:I can support a JJJ lynch tomorrow.

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

Two mafia factions.

Comprised of?

Are you just being obtuse? Or do you want me to try to figure out how Golden would split the cylons/bad humans?

Just split the bad players into two mafia groups, throw in some indy roles and go!

I'm not obtuse, I just wouldn't mind your prognostication on how two teams might be formed.

In all fairness, I could actually agree that this could be one way of judging things differently.

Others, however, have exclaimed, after Glor's lynch, that Cavil and Doral are the only ones left to go, so...

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

Or throw someone under the bus? Is this not done anymore?

I think two mafia teams in this size games makes more sense though.

Save for a ping from Scotty, JJJ's case bloomed into a wagon. If we're talking bus, we're talking The King of Bus Mountain here.

I have done this to my team before. I think they told me they hated me......

Epignosis wrote:BSG is on Hulu.

Is it not on Netflix? Hulu and chill just doesnt sound as fun.

DrWilgy wrote:

Dex wrote:Way to fight the good fight Glorfindel.

We're down to Cavil and Doral. I'd say we're in pretty darn good shape.

My suspicion of ObsAll has cooled significantly on account of her early vote for the Glorf. My three top suspects at this time are Rico, Bea, and BR.

I'm in agreement with you.

Obsure, why did you vote Glorf instead of me?

Golden wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:Do people threaten to leave the site every game or is it just this game that's got people in a tizzy?

That's it. I'm leaving. I'm going to represent some other site in the mafia champs finals! And I'm taking people with me. Well, at least, I'm taking a whole lot of sock accounts with me. OK?

(In all seriousness, I can only presume it is because your return has people quivering in their boots with the fear that they will never be able to win again?)

LOLLLL!!!! I really don't get it. I think this is one of the most well thought out and truly makes-you-think games I've ever seen. I guess people just aren't used to having to work so hard to figure anything out. LOL. Well, I for one appreciate all the hard work you've put into this game. I don't ever remember having to work this hard on a mafia game and that's pretty damn awesome if you ask me.

Dex wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:And I've ranted about wiggly and glor for like a week real time
And no one listened so I'm kinda just done with explaining it further
If no one will listen.

We have first raised a dust and then complain we cannot see.

bea wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

Golden wrote:Hey gang,

Admiral Adama here. Weird couple of days, huh? It's starting to seem like everyone is a cylon except for me, ya bunch of creepy space robots! Well listen here. I'm your Admiral, proudly so, and that means I have to take it upon myself to facilitate peaceful communication between the humans and the space robots. I require that everyone state clearly and publicly what the believe the allegiances to be of the following likely cylons: Epignosis, DrWilgy, and Glorfindel. This is a direct order, and know that I am giving it with the best intentions. No exceptions. Everyone must submit a response before the end of the day or I will be forced to take action with my rightful authority as Admiral. Thank you for your cooperation.

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So Say We All!

Epignosis (Town)
DrWilgy (Mafia)
Glorfindel (Mafia)

why specifally do you see wilgy and glor as mafia? Please forgive me for missing it - you've spent more time insanified than not this game.

You seem to be allowed now again at night to speak clear and free - why is epi town and glor and wigly bad?? and why when you were insanified your clear posts were all kinda about bea being bad?

while you can - if you really think I am bad - present a case. I'm happy to address concerns - I won't chase shaddows of "bea is bad for no reason"

Golden wrote:Hey gang,

Admiral Adama here. Weird couple of days, huh? It's starting to seem like everyone is a cylon except for me, ya bunch of creepy space robots! Well listen here. I'm your Admiral, proudly so, and that means I have to take it upon myself to facilitate peaceful communication between the humans and the space robots. I require that everyone state clearly and publicly what the believe the allegiances to be of the following likely cylons: Epignosis, DrWilgy, and Glorfindel. This is a direct order, and know that I am giving it with the best intentions. No exceptions. Everyone must submit a response before the end of the day or I will be forced to take action with my rightful authority as Admiral. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Dex wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:Okay. I'm a Cylon.

Then there were Glorfindel, Vomps, Obscure, and Rico.

DrumBeats wrote:

Dex wrote:

DrumBeats wrote: Cap Six is the presumed last one, but that is only one out of the remaining cylons..

I'll just keep repeating myself. If there is a anti-Cavil faction, Leoben is part of it.

So by that logic, we have a total of four mafia in a 29 player game? That does not seem right at all. Mafia would then be Cavil, Boomer, Simon, and Aaron. Then maybe some of the final five, depending on how those mechanics work. There's a chance I guess based on that mechanic, but even in that scenario: it is still only a 40% shot Wilgy is a civ cylon as far as the remaining ones go.

Dex wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:You went from pushing him to claim toaster straight to confirming him civ. You say it is not a whim and you have clear reasoning but expect us to take it at face value, going as far as to say that you suspect anyone who pushes Wilgy.

You don't have to take it as face value. The evidence is there, I'm just not allowed to show it to you. You can look for it if you cared to. S~V~S did, and found it from what she's said of it.

My motivation is to prevent a bad lynch.

Ricochet wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:
No, you mentioned Wigly. Wigly did that.

This sentence right here

ObscureAllure wrote:He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.

G-Man wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

G-Man wrote:Alright OA, let me see if I get this straight- Wilgy is a bum and you owe him nothing. He's a dirty mafia trying to turn suspicion on you.

At the start of the game you trusted zebra but that has changed. Now you think she's either been bad all along and just good at hiding it or she was recruited.

Is that about right?

Apparently not, unless you're confusing the shaking fist smilie for a fist pump . Respond with smilies: for yes and for no.

Is your first paragraph about Wilgy? :

Is your second paragraph about zebra? :

Polo wrote:It's really interesting how all of the people I have been suspicious of have been reading the other people I've been suspicious of as good.

I believe that, if I'm lynched, people should make good use of what I just said, along with the publicity of my role, to successfully hunt down the mafia - you guys will know where to look for.

Before anyone quotes this posts and says "Hey, he only said lynched! He's sure he's not getting NK'ed, so he must be Cylon !1!1!!!", be aware that no roles are publicized upon NKs and in that case nobody would know me, which invalidates what I have just suggested.

G-Man wrote:Alright OA, let me see if I get this straight- Wilgy is a bum and you owe him nothing. He's a dirty mafia trying to turn suspicion on you.

At the start of the game you trusted zebra but that has changed. Now you think she's either been bad all along and just good at hiding it or she was recruited.

Is that about right?

G-Man wrote:Another link:

Can you run that through the insanifier again so we can piece that together better, OA?

Karma Chameleon you? You've said nothing of nostology this entire epacme. You're a mafia who is trying anything he whap to turn suspicion on to me. Why would significative give you the assagai of DharmaHelper ? Sarah Jane Smith don't anglicize antaphrodisiac lactescence. At the start very the game, I really trusted Zebra. Now, I think that Zebra was either really good arr! hiding her alignment or was recruited. But I think sudorific are teammates.

Epignosis wrote:Either LC spelled my wife's username incorrectly or you are faking.

DrWilgy wrote:OA is ignoring me ;__;

Epignosis wrote:I don't understand the doom and gloom from some people.

There has been one- ONE- undeniably bad lynch this game (because I got it going, of course ).

Day 1 was me. Day 2 was nutella. Day 3 was Nerolunar. Day 4 was Lorab. Day 5 was Long Con.

There was also a missing Night kill.

If things are balanced, those are great fucking odds. So quit with the doom and gloom nonsense of "Oh, we're going to lose if this happens" or "We're going to lose if you are good."

Please.

Pull your head captains out of your rear admirals.

Epignosis wrote:So your ass got punished in the middle of the Day...again?