The Syndicate

Yeah, five arbiters is probably a bit much and probably would mean the game is essentially settled by now. Then again, five landlords (counting Davos) isn't much better. Five per team would result in 10/32 wolves or a bit under 33%, which is acceptable for multiball but only if wolves kill every night, and if it's been alternating like people say it's a bit hard to see there being that much.

nutella was likely an arbiter kill, as it seems likely she was killed because the other team thought she was a wolf and it's doubtful that the landlords thought she killed her own teammate. Still, that's again assuming no interference which isn't entirely a safe assumption, so whatever.

I don't see why the idea of Brad being Davos should be so easily discounted. After all, it has been shown twice that socks don't die at the same time as their owners. Doing the bare minimum to avoid spewing is something I would easily see Brad doing. Still, if there is a remaining landlord, that would suggest that the arbiters have some sort of ace up their sleeve or, worse, a fifth member. If it's the former, there's at least a 3/4 chance said ace is dead, and if it's the latter, town is kind of screwed here anyway unless we get very lucky with crossfire.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:28 pm The serious answer is "The people analyzing pyxxy for clues."

leetic, Ricochet, me, and...

I'm sorry I've forgotten the drummer's name.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:10 pm I vote that Ricochet be permanently smiley cursed henceforth.

Epi doesn't have impressive-looking Ricochet interactions. But a lot of people don't, so whatever.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:43 pm of our thread, I feel most confident in LC/Abbi/Sloonei/Ricochet town, Epi/Leetic/TSP to a slightly lesser extent. Leaves question marks around Falcon/Sig. if there's town in either would go back and look at those I'm not as confident.

From the other side of the thread, I think WWA/DrWilgy/MR/Nutella have all seemed fine to me, nothing sure due to being first day back w both threads but that's my gut read for the opposing thread. Off of pure gut read I dont really think DM's reactions today feel wolfy, more in line with what I've skimmed from town games, but without seeing other thread there's only so much I can say on that. The rest have kinda just been white noise, Cape slight town ping but nothing huge.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'm more comfortable voting within my facility today, as I mentioned earlier, so \o/
glgl o/

Delta's only real Ricochet interaction in this thread before their death, with colors added for clarity.

Ctrl+fing "Epi" in Ricochet's ISO gives 41 results, but the amount of substantial interactions is far fewer, with the one I quoted being the only really notable one. It seems Ricochet was trying to use Epi to jumpstart a vote on Delta, possibly in an attempt to protect falcon and/or Lemonfairy.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:32 pm Epignosis wrt Delta pauses me a lot toDay.

He was chief detective on case-making Delta D2 wrt pyxxy interactions (lifelining him intermittently and starting what proved pyxxy's counterwagon chance). The thing about too many townreads was also a point.

Then the Delta wagon fizzled through.

And now Epignosis comes into the merge with just that one point about the townreads.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:51 pm I'm le tired.

I didn't even process Delta toDay.
Only note I had was that they noted Davos's drive-by vote on Lemon. No input.

Delta was my main pyxxy teammate profile, though. In that regard, I melded with Epig's D2 case. Signs of lifelining pyxxy into playing better and creating a cushion for a feasible counterwagon, till it proved too late. Could be.

Ricochet's two Delta interactions D3 (one even doubles as an Epi interaction!) It seems like they hoped a Delta wagon would get started? That whole day they were kind of stuck between a rock named falcon and a hard place named Lemonfairy

And Epi has absolutely nothing with Abby D3.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:27 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:48 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:39 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:06 am I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh

That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...
What got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?

I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?

\o/
I read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lol
ah, got it

On D3, Delta just talked with Abby about her falcon read. I believe this was also Delta's only D3 falcon interaction, so yeah

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:34 am
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:31 am Epi is giving very much wolf. Delta also pings. Not sure how to feel about this lemon wagon. I'd rather no.

Could be down to vote Epi, though. Oh and Wilgy too.
Why does Delta ping you?

Abby surprisingly doesn't have much with Epi D3. The most interesting thing is she asked DM to clarify their read on Delta but not Epi. (falcon was the opposite, interestingly enough)

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:02 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes
It would be difficult to convey the Delta case here because it hinged almost entirely on interactions with pyxxy, and we can’t copy text from the other thread.
Paraphrasing could
still do some work to convince
if context is clear
Delta did some pushes early to get pyxxy to post more, and also voted on the counterwagon, and gave the reason that recent games they have been v-w, and Delta was hoping pyxxy would be v-v this time... or something like that. I wouldn't say that the logic for Delta being suspicious was unreasonable.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:26 pm My hope with thread merge
is that rather than counters
with one town one scum,

each clique votes their top
suspect and we end up with
two wolf/wolf wagons
At least for Day 3? I feel like my vote would be more honest on someone from our facility.
I wouldn't say the logic is unreasonable but I think it's wrong. Delta was trying to give Pyxxy an olive branch a way into the thread to participate.

His problem is he never pulled it back out when it became clear pyxxy wasn't gonna play ball but I don't think that's wolfy I think it's actually rather towny to try to give a player a way in.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:43 am If say I got a gun from someone than I would have used it on Daisy or Sig

If say I got a cop check from someone than I would have used it on Falcon or Delta

If say I got nothing from someone than none of this matters

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:34 am
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:31 am Epi is giving very much wolf. Delta also pings. Not sure how to feel about this lemon wagon. I'd rather no.

Could be down to vote Epi, though. Oh and Wilgy too.
Why does Delta ping you?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:44 pm Delta is town this wagon is bad

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:46 pm Vote: Falcon

I probably miss the rest of the day so good luck town sorry I can't make EoD

Don't kill Delta pls

Abby does have some interesting interactions with Delta. It may have been a pocketing attempt? She didn't hesitate to throw pyxxy under the bus, so this defense would be a little weird coming after that

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:22 am Delta:

- falcon tells them to give a few reads, Delta just refers to earlier townreads
- Mentions falcon is a "little" townie based on an alleged slip they caught
- Says they would vote falcon "to save a townread", but is only interested in voting me
- Says they would "GTH" vote falcon D2, but later hedges on them

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:50 am Epi:

- Said falcon was town when prodded by Sloonei
- Pointed out that falcon said nothing about pyxxy, then said they would rather vote Delta and falcon

Wow, that's little for the third-highest poster in the thread (after me and Abby). I'm starting to see where some of this suspicion comes from.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:31 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:27 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:48 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:39 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:06 am I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh

That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...
What got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?

I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?

\o/
I read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lol
ah, got it
Delta's D3 interactions mainly amount to just discussing Abby's falcon read.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:10 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:07 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:03 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:56 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:51 am How about this?

Among those who have 10 or more posts in this thread right now, whom do you suspect the most?

I say Sloonei.
huh, why sloonei? he
seems pretty solid to me
is there more context?

mine would probably
be leetic out of the list.
but would not vote there
I've found Sloonei to be more reactive than proactive. I'm used to good Sloondog digging in and asking questions.

Moreover, Sloonei kept going on about falcon but has moved on from exploring that here.

Before that, Sloonei voted falcon to give pyxxy space (but did vote pyxxy eventually).
falcon hasn't posted in this thread yet, though?
I don't see the relevance.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:45 pm I missed the entire second half of Day 2, but during the first half of the phase Epi put forward a decent argument for Delta to be teamed with pyxxy (and I guess Lime Coke).

I have a vague and not-well-defined suspicion of Falcon.

Now that we're all in the same room, should we compare notes about whether or not this game might be multiball?
This is what I'm talking about. Why not ask falcon questions? Why not mention falcon? Why not summon his winged ass in here?

The vote on falcon was lukewarm and devoid of substance in the other thread. Sloonei seems content to leave it so. Instead of exploring that, "Hey guys, let's talk about multiball."

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pm My present take on falcon:

falcon is not literally towning his ass off.

Again, that would be fun to witness. I can't even imagine what that would look like for anybody.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

I'm unlikely to vote there today. falcon should put on his leather pants and start going after mafia though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pmInstead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.
What makes you think that?
He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm

What makes you think that?
He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.
...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?
No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.
Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?
What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:26 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:22 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:19 pm

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?
No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.
Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?
What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?
It's third-rate play, I agree, but I am just not understanding why it's alignment-indicative toward town.
Am I supposed to just agree with you that falcon is mafia?

Shit, you've got sig leading the charge there. Probably the first time he's been ON a Day 3 lynch instead of being one.

I do not trust Master Radishes.

Everybody else is fine except Wilgy. Just don't know much there.

Are you comfortable with this lynch?

And I'll be clear on this: I'm not voting to save falcon. If he goes, he goes.
Yeah, as mentioned before, Epi's defense of falcon is strange. It's like he knows there's nothing to townread falcon over but tries to force it anyway

Yeah, here it all is.

I believe I already went over Delta and Epi's falcon interactions, maybe I'll pull them from my ISO

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:02 pm My mom still thinks I'm cool
Does your mom have any strong town reads in this game right now? Or you?

I I do have a couple TRs from the West but my mom is largely a fictional character in this narrative

I'm not voting LC or Epi

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:19 pm @DarlingMonroe Talk to me about Epi. You mentioned he's a wolf, but I dony recall any depth or detail to the read

I'll look only at this thread for now, maybe I'll look at the old thread later. falcon has no interactions with Delta D3, while with Epi he had Epi as one of the closest things he had to "townreads" but also pushed people to elaborate their suspicions on Epi?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:13 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:05 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:01 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:12 pm side note, I also agree with whoever proposed we each vote for the scummiest within each facility to make w/w wagons
I think each side has better reads on their own facility than the other and even if we paraphrase, a lot of context can get lost

while we did have N0, it almost feels like I should start over with reads on the West
maybe have 2 separate reads list and then combine them together later
i immediately see this and really question if pushing Lemonfairy is actually a good idea like this just buries lemon more I think, esp when i scroll up and see a bunch of votes on them already
i'm not sure I follow your thought process here.
it's almost like lemon is saying "yeah i agree that i should be shrugyeeted here" like the consensus was here at this time. Like Lemonfairy saying "I also agree with whoever proposed we each vote for the scummiest within each facility" WHEN BY CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW THEY ARE THE SCUMMIEST FROM OUR FACILITY seems rather LMAO to me
Or, I don't know.

Here's a novel thought.

Just a trial balloon.

What if Lemonfairy came around and told us who is bad and why or who is good and why?

Right now, Lemonfairy is pyxxy 2.0
Epi does have some Lemonfairy interactions that look decent at a glance.

Admittedly after D3, the interactions become less impressive. But eh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:13 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:05 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:01 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:12 pm side note, I also agree with whoever proposed we each vote for the scummiest within each facility to make w/w wagons
I think each side has better reads on their own facility than the other and even if we paraphrase, a lot of context can get lost

while we did have N0, it almost feels like I should start over with reads on the West
maybe have 2 separate reads list and then combine them together later
i immediately see this and really question if pushing Lemonfairy is actually a good idea like this just buries lemon more I think, esp when i scroll up and see a bunch of votes on them already
i'm not sure I follow your thought process here.
it's almost like lemon is saying "yeah i agree that i should be shrugyeeted here" like the consensus was here at this time. Like Lemonfairy saying "I also agree with whoever proposed we each vote for the scummiest within each facility" WHEN BY CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW THEY ARE THE SCUMMIEST FROM OUR FACILITY seems rather LMAO to me
Or, I don't know.

Here's a novel thought.

Just a trial balloon.

What if Lemonfairy came around and told us who is bad and why or who is good and why?

Right now, Lemonfairy is pyxxy 2.0

Epi does have some Lemonfairy interactions that look decent at a glance.

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:48 pm davos' vote popped up on lemonfairy, dont know if that was there before ?_?

This is Delta's only interaction with Lemonfairy before their flip. It's unimpressive.

Lemonfairy doesn't have any other real interactions with Delta besides this, the only other mentions in their ISO are quoting Ricochet and DM's reads on Delta. Lemonfairy interacted much more with Epignosis, while by comparison they had few interactions with falcon or Ricochet before their flips, granted their earlier deaths could be part of the reason.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

Updating this post again, and it looks decent at first for Delta not being arbiter, as they are placed in a very conspicuous position, although the top has them put as "mid" with a "could be scum" qualifier that they didn't give anyone else, which is a little suspect. Granted, their look at falcon, who was their partner, was less convoluted than this.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:36 pm While I'm not entirely unconcerned with there being a remaining landlord, if there is it's just Delta. Getting the last arbiter will likely win us the game, and I think it's likely that they're in the other thread as every other wolf wasn't entirely alone in their thread (Brad at least had a second vote to play with), but I'll still look over Delta and Epi since it is so late in the game.
I feel like Delta is more likely an arbiter, though, because they started with isoing the landlords in the West (pyxxy) and never continued with the arbiters. My suspicion is that theyre hiding the interactions that incriminate them, but since I can't see the West thread, I need input from others. Did Delta have any interactions with Rico or Falcon that stood out?

Epi had a case on Delta being paired with pyxxy, but I disagreed and the Delta suspicion eventually fizzled out. I don't even think Delta voted for the last few days, which would be an interesting strategy if they're a lone wolf at this point.

And yes, I jumped off Davos because WWA and Wilgy were on them, and if they were both wolves it could have indicated we were walking into a trap. Now, though, I'm willing to accept the scenario that Davos counted as the "second" wolf in that thread.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:31 pm It seems Epi has already realized his mistake, but I'll go over the logic of Brad being Davos just to be sure. Cape90's role PM said that they were the only one who could see both threads, so Davos can't be anyone from my side, and Davos flipped as a wolf, meaning they can't be anyone who flipped town or ITP. Thus, there are only three people who Davos could possibly be: Brad, WWA, and Wilgy. Now look at the last day's lynch. Both WWA and Wilgy gave up a lynch on me (and on WWA in Wilgy's case) to get rid of Davos, with Davos also crossvoting WWA which would not be ideal if they were w/w. Keep in mind that if there is a living landlord remaining, having Davos alive would give them a huge advantage over the other team, and I don't see why they'd give it up so easily. Further, Davos's behavior does fit in with w!Brad's behavior when he was sent into my thread in Severance, so it does make sense.
Seems to me that a landlord would be willing to flip Davos if it gave them a chance to save themselves, if they didn't think they could build a wagon on anyone else. Especially if it's the one controlling the puppet; it would basically function as distancing from a teammate, except against their own puppet account.

This isn't super important, though, because Wilgy can still be an arbiter if I'm wrong. But my belief is that the arbiter is on the West side of the thread and that Wilgy was controlling Davos, because of what I said before about having a completely dead landlord team in a XyLo situation save for Davos.

Wilgy stopped voting me (while sig was still on my wagon) when I moved to Davos. Granted, you had already voted Davos at the point (even if you hadn't on the poll) so Wilgy may have seen where the wind was blowing. Still, if there is a landlord remaining and Davos was still alive, the setu would likely be 2-2-1 today, a very advantageous position for landlords that I wouldn't see them giving up so easily.

While I'm not entirely unconcerned with there being a remaining landlord, if there is it's just Delta. Getting the last arbiter will likely win us the game, and I think it's likely that they're in the other thread as every other wolf wasn't entirely alone in their thread (Brad at least had a second vote to play with), but I'll still look over Delta and Epi since it is so late in the game.

It seems Epi has already realized his mistake, but I'll go over the logic of Brad being Davos just to be sure. Cape90's role PM said that they were the only one who could see both threads, so Davos can't be anyone from my side, and Davos flipped as a wolf, meaning they can't be anyone who flipped town or ITP. Thus, there are only three people who Davos could possibly be: Brad, WWA, and Wilgy. Now look at the last day's lynch. Both WWA and Wilgy gave up a lynch on me (and on WWA in Wilgy's case) to get rid of Davos, with Davos also crossvoting WWA which would not be ideal if they were w/w. Keep in mind that if there is a living landlord remaining, having Davos alive would give them a huge advantage over the other team, and I don't see why they'd give it up so easily. Further, Davos's behavior does fit in with w!Brad's behavior when he was sent into my thread in Severance, so it does make sense.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:05 pm To everyone else: you should ONLY vote within Wilgy/me today. Davos's flip should confirm to you that the Landlord is on the East side and can only be one of the two of us.

Brad being Davos makes enough sense. I do think Wilgy is likely the remaining Arbiter though

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Fairly sure this is the last wolf. Still, I will look at Epi and Delta since it's so late in the game

Come to think of it, if both Wilgy and WWA are on Davos, that's not a good sign. [VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:30 pm I'm actually at the point where if I'm wrong on Leetic, just toss me next cycle.

Hell, toss me this cycle, and if the game is still going on after my flip, toss Leetic next phase.
You know there are two seperate wolves right? This post feels really fake
Aye, if I need to flip to toss you and they eventually get to the remaining wolf that's perfectly fine.
And pray tell, how will they do this exactly? Mislynching me means it's 3-1-1 discounting Davos, and if town gets nightkilled it's basically unwinnable.
but you aren't a misyeet.
Sea tá mé
I'll be more fair,

SO, if I'm incorrect, we likely just lose.

If I'm incorrect that implies that you are incorrect as well on my slot and we just lose still.

So what's the point and who's the correct option? I've already outlined that I only think you/epi ever even think about the Nutella kill. Why am I incorrect on that?

First, you're locked into the idea that nothing could have mechanically affected the nutella kill, which is not a safe assumption when we know little about the setup. Secondly, wolves don't always make "optimal" kill choices, especially if they can build a narrative out of them (implicitly or explicitly). The nutella kill on its own is WIFOM unless you can build a larger narrative that connects it to previous kills and how that would point to a certain person being a wolf.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:46 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:10 pm

No, you can't just call the narrative wrong when you continue to push your own false narrative, so let's continue:

The question is, ' why Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective.'

My answer is because they were against keeping to the east as a firm PoE.

You, state 'Nutella suspected Wilgy and WWA.'

I've quoted the points where Nutella, did suspect WWA, but also wished to push Delta and not stick to the East as PoE.

You, quote singularly, where Nutella suspected WWA, but this doesn't contradict the argument that Nutella wanted to yeet Delta as well and thought that sticking to east was wrong.

When called out for the incorrect argument, you start calling my arguments reeking of desperation that the narrative I'm pushing isn't holding up. You have not brought anything to the discussion that actually argues anything I've stated trying to force the belief that 'Nutella suspected both WWA and I' which is inaccurate. The more I look at this, the more it feels as if you had strictly killed Nutella in effort to force this false narrative, and when called out for it you seek to discredit through gut takes like desperation and quotes that don't detail the entire story.
So your logic is that I had to kill nutella because she wanted to kill in my side. I point out that she was interested in pushing WWA and you. Then you counter by saying nutella also suspected Delta. And this makes nutella a threat to me how? Unless Delta is my partner, which would require a team of five, this still makes no sense. It's your narrative that's contrived.
Absolutely, with MR and Nutella gone, who does it leave to push outside of this bs PoE you have established? If Delta goes over instead of you, that's just icing on the cake and you don't need to pretend to hunt for wolves within your golden PoE.
nutella is only a threat to me if she pushes me, not if she pushes Delta. If I wanted Delta gone, wouldn't I leave nutella alive? You're grasping at straws here
Aye, but why would you want Delta gone? Delta being around is just more padding for you. At the end of the day, who would've been able to break your bad PoE? Nutella? Who would've been more likely to just continue joining you on your bad PoE? Delta?
So your idea is that I want to win by pushing people in the other side, and Delta going down is a threat to that plan because reasons? If I was a wolf they'd be as good a mislynch as any other
What part do I need to reexplain for the 4th time?

Delta going down is not a threat to your plan. Delta going down can happen and it's probably not the end of the world to you. This doesn't change the fact, that you'd PREFER a cleaner Wilgy/WWA chainyeet bait. Nutella arguing against the wider PoE changes that.

Why would I prefer that? Ego points?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:30 pm I'm actually at the point where if I'm wrong on Leetic, just toss me next cycle.

Hell, toss me this cycle, and if the game is still going on after my flip, toss Leetic next phase.
You know there are two seperate wolves right? This post feels really fake
Aye, if I need to flip to toss you and they eventually get to the remaining wolf that's perfectly fine.
And pray tell, how will they do this exactly? Mislynching me means it's 3-1-1 discounting Davos, and if town gets nightkilled it's basically unwinnable.
but you aren't a misyeet.

Sea tá mé

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:10 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:32 pm
Ah, now we'll ignore mech determining the way things are occurring this game.

"Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective." - I've already stated this, Nutella wanted to yeet out of the east PoE, this has been one of the pillars of my argument this entire dialogue. You've posted quotes that fulfill a false narrative about it and pretended it's not the case.

No, I don't think WWA is town, BUT I also don't think they make the Nutella kill. IF WWA flips town, I do not we win this game.
nutella was voting WWA lol. I don't think this narrative you are trying to push holds up.
No, you can't just call the narrative wrong when you continue to push your own false narrative, so let's continue:

The question is, ' why Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective.'

My answer is because they were against keeping to the east as a firm PoE.

You, state 'Nutella suspected Wilgy and WWA.'

I've quoted the points where Nutella, did suspect WWA, but also wished to push Delta and not stick to the East as PoE.

You, quote singularly, where Nutella suspected WWA, but this doesn't contradict the argument that Nutella wanted to yeet Delta as well and thought that sticking to east was wrong.

When called out for the incorrect argument, you start calling my arguments reeking of desperation that the narrative I'm pushing isn't holding up. You have not brought anything to the discussion that actually argues anything I've stated trying to force the belief that 'Nutella suspected both WWA and I' which is inaccurate. The more I look at this, the more it feels as if you had strictly killed Nutella in effort to force this false narrative, and when called out for it you seek to discredit through gut takes like desperation and quotes that don't detail the entire story.
So your logic is that I had to kill nutella because she wanted to kill in my side. I point out that she was interested in pushing WWA and you. Then you counter by saying nutella also suspected Delta. And this makes nutella a threat to me how? Unless Delta is my partner, which would require a team of five, this still makes no sense. It's your narrative that's contrived.
Absolutely, with MR and Nutella gone, who does it leave to push outside of this bs PoE you have established? If Delta goes over instead of you, that's just icing on the cake and you don't need to pretend to hunt for wolves within your golden PoE.
nutella is only a threat to me if she pushes me, not if she pushes Delta. If I wanted Delta gone, wouldn't I leave nutella alive? You're grasping at straws here
Aye, but why would you want Delta gone? Delta being around is just more padding for you. At the end of the day, who would've been able to break your bad PoE? Nutella? Who would've been more likely to just continue joining you on your bad PoE? Delta?

So your idea is that I want to win by pushing people in the other side, and Delta going down is a threat to that plan because reasons? If I was a wolf they'd be as good a mislynch as any other

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:30 pm I'm actually at the point where if I'm wrong on Leetic, just toss me next cycle.

Hell, toss me this cycle, and if the game is still going on after my flip, toss Leetic next phase.
You know there are two seperate wolves right? This post feels really fake
Aye, if I need to flip to toss you and they eventually get to the remaining wolf that's perfectly fine.

And pray tell, how will they do this exactly? Mislynching me means it's 3-1-1 discounting Davos, and if town gets nightkilled it's basically unwinnable.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:00 pm Ignoring the sock we’re at 4-1-1

If we misvote today and have 1 night kill then we’ve still got a final phase.

Also the flip side with my Wilgy read is he could still be mafia just landlord. So there’s that
I'm still finding it unwise to ignore the sock.
And still that's what you're basically doing
Still pretty sure yeeting you helps us get to the sock.

If the sock becomes a legitimate option, I'll vote the sock.

[VOTE: Davos] aubergine

Stop being a coward. Put your money where your mouth is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:27 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:10 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:18 pm

Doesn't even make sense as a counter point. You're arguing that wolves are in east, killed nutella, and are now because they've put a chokehold poe on themselves, they are suddenly lashing at your thread for pursuing that PoE?

Back to the, why make that kill in the first place?

also, as I can assume this commentary is directed, I'm not lashing at your thread. I've cased specifically you, as the agenda all makes sense, and considered the others INCLUDING players on east.
Likely they assumed nutella was a wolf. Mechanical interference like redirecting is also a possibility, but there's no use speculating on it when there's no claiming. I don't see why you think that nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective. Furthermore, I think this is all a distraction from the fact that there are almost certainly unflipped wolves from your side. Do you really think WWA is town?
Ah, now we'll ignore mech determining the way things are occurring this game.

"Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective." - I've already stated this, Nutella wanted to yeet out of the east PoE, this has been one of the pillars of my argument this entire dialogue. You've posted quotes that fulfill a false narrative about it and pretended it's not the case.

No, I don't think WWA is town, BUT I also don't think they make the Nutella kill. IF WWA flips town, I do not we win this game.
nutella was voting WWA lol. I don't think this narrative you are trying to push holds up.
No, you can't just call the narrative wrong when you continue to push your own false narrative, so let's continue:

The question is, ' why Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective.'

My answer is because they were against keeping to the east as a firm PoE.

You, state 'Nutella suspected Wilgy and WWA.'

I've quoted the points where Nutella, did suspect WWA, but also wished to push Delta and not stick to the East as PoE.

You, quote singularly, where Nutella suspected WWA, but this doesn't contradict the argument that Nutella wanted to yeet Delta as well and thought that sticking to east was wrong.

When called out for the incorrect argument, you start calling my arguments reeking of desperation that the narrative I'm pushing isn't holding up. You have not brought anything to the discussion that actually argues anything I've stated trying to force the belief that 'Nutella suspected both WWA and I' which is inaccurate. The more I look at this, the more it feels as if you had strictly killed Nutella in effort to force this false narrative, and when called out for it you seek to discredit through gut takes like desperation and quotes that don't detail the entire story.
So your logic is that I had to kill nutella because she wanted to kill in my side. I point out that she was interested in pushing WWA and you. Then you counter by saying nutella also suspected Delta. And this makes nutella a threat to me how? Unless Delta is my partner, which would require a team of five, this still makes no sense. It's your narrative that's contrived.
Absolutely, with MR and Nutella gone, who does it leave to push outside of this bs PoE you have established? If Delta goes over instead of you, that's just icing on the cake and you don't need to pretend to hunt for wolves within your golden PoE.

nutella is only a threat to me if she pushes me, not if she pushes Delta. If I wanted Delta gone, wouldn't I leave nutella alive? You're grasping at straws here

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:30 pm I'm actually at the point where if I'm wrong on Leetic, just toss me next cycle.

Hell, toss me this cycle, and if the game is still going on after my flip, toss Leetic next phase.

You know there are two seperate wolves right? This post feels really fake

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:24 pm You know what, fuck it.
[VOTE: Davos] aubergine
If you guys decide you wanna kill me over Davos, that's totally fine tbh. I'll take the gamble even at low odds.

You need to vote in the poll for it to count. Besides, if you're town, how would you expect town to win if you are lynched today?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:00 pm Ignoring the sock we’re at 4-1-1

If we misvote today and have 1 night kill then we’ve still got a final phase.

Also the flip side with my Wilgy read is he could still be mafia just landlord. So there’s that
I'm still finding it unwise to ignore the sock.

And still that's what you're basically doing

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:26 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:08 pm Wilgy has essentially been forced into an unsustainable PoE, while WWA at least seems to realize the gravity of their situation.
How is WWA exempt from this unsustainable PoE? Why am I the focus here, what makes us different?

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:08 pm While I do hold that the nutella kill makes more sense from WWA than Wilgy, as I said earlier it may be wiser to kill the wolf that didn't make the kill, in case the "one team kills on odd nights and the other on even nights" theory is true. Further, WWA has been very active, and while powerwolfing is a thing Wilgy seems content to mostly skate by and only lash out while he is in danger.
Or it doesn't make sense from any wolf on the east side to do so. "Wilgy seems content to mostly skate by and only lash out" alright more discrediting.

WWA is pushing you. You aren't pushing WWA. I can believe that WWA believes the threads are split 5-3. I can't believe that you believe they're split 6-2.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:10 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:18 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm My argument is, Nut was killed so that you could continue the push of East side players.

You're response is, 'but look, nut suspected both of you' and you then post a lone suspicion on WWA and avoid all the posts of Nut advocating for west as well.
Because that totally wouldn't case the remaining wolves to lash out at my side of the thread! I'm starting to wonder if that is the reason
Doesn't even make sense as a counter point. You're arguing that wolves are in east, killed nutella, and are now because they've put a chokehold poe on themselves, they are suddenly lashing at your thread for pursuing that PoE?

Back to the, why make that kill in the first place?

also, as I can assume this commentary is directed, I'm not lashing at your thread. I've cased specifically you, as the agenda all makes sense, and considered the others INCLUDING players on east.
Likely they assumed nutella was a wolf. Mechanical interference like redirecting is also a possibility, but there's no use speculating on it when there's no claiming. I don't see why you think that nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective. Furthermore, I think this is all a distraction from the fact that there are almost certainly unflipped wolves from your side. Do you really think WWA is town?
Ah, now we'll ignore mech determining the way things are occurring this game.

"Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective." - I've already stated this, Nutella wanted to yeet out of the east PoE, this has been one of the pillars of my argument this entire dialogue. You've posted quotes that fulfill a false narrative about it and pretended it's not the case.

No, I don't think WWA is town, BUT I also don't think they make the Nutella kill. IF WWA flips town, I do not we win this game.
nutella was voting WWA lol. I don't think this narrative you are trying to push holds up.
No, you can't just call the narrative wrong when you continue to push your own false narrative, so let's continue:

The question is, ' why Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective.'

My answer is because they were against keeping to the east as a firm PoE.

You, state 'Nutella suspected Wilgy and WWA.'

I've quoted the points where Nutella, did suspect WWA, but also wished to push Delta and not stick to the East as PoE.

You, quote singularly, where Nutella suspected WWA, but this doesn't contradict the argument that Nutella wanted to yeet Delta as well and thought that sticking to east was wrong.

When called out for the incorrect argument, you start calling my arguments reeking of desperation that the narrative I'm pushing isn't holding up. You have not brought anything to the discussion that actually argues anything I've stated trying to force the belief that 'Nutella suspected both WWA and I' which is inaccurate. The more I look at this, the more it feels as if you had strictly killed Nutella in effort to force this false narrative, and when called out for it you seek to discredit through gut takes like desperation and quotes that don't detail the entire story.

So your logic is that I had to kill nutella because she wanted to kill in my side. I point out that she was interested in pushing WWA and you. Then you counter by saying nutella also suspected Delta. And this makes nutella a threat to me how? Unless Delta is my partner, which would require a team of five, this still makes no sense. It's your narrative that's contrived.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:58 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players left
Why not? There are likely two wolves remaining, there are two people on the other side remaining, what about that doesn't add up?
The night kill just doesn’t make sense if thats the case. Why would mafia hit Nutella?

If one flips town who would be the two mafia in your mind

Presumably because they thought nutella was the other wolf and they were confident they could win from there. That, or some kind of redirection is in play. If one flips town, I'd probably reconsider everyone, but I am 100% confident there is at least one wolf in Wilgy/WWA and am willing to take responsibility for the loss if I am wrong.

Eh, might as well. [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Davos is unlikely to move, so I can move back if it becomes necessary. Still, I think voting Wilgy is the wisest action for today.

In truth, I believe Wilgy is slightly more likely to flip wolf right now than WWA. Wilgy has essentially been forced into an unsustainable PoE, while WWA at least seems to realize the gravity of their situation. While I do hold that the nutella kill makes more sense from WWA than Wilgy, as I said earlier it may be wiser to kill the wolf that didn't make the kill, in case the "one team kills on odd nights and the other on even nights" theory is true. Further, WWA has been very active, and while powerwolfing is a thing Wilgy seems content to mostly skate by and only lash out while he is in danger. Still, WWA's contentness with going down when town has little to no room for error here has me concerned.

That leads to a different issue though, where right now WWA is the right vote for self-preservation from my perspective. But if anyone wants to start a Wilgy wagon I'll be on board.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players left

Why not? There are likely two wolves remaining, there are two people on the other side remaining, what about that doesn't add up?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:11 pm Or I guess it could be delta, but they read very genuine as a lost civ, Epi seems to have been hunting both team evenly, and I guess that leaves WWA.

Now the big reason to suspect Leetic is they seem to have really slowed down and take a back seat. I also find the way they’re pushing Nutella read post death to be a bit scummy.

I’m open to hearing other thoughts, buuuuut given I literally don’t have a town core anymore I prob won’t listen

To be fair, I really couldn't do much last day due to my power being out. Besides, even if you think a wolf is in my side it's better to take the 50% on the other side. Voting wrong on my side is equivalent to throwing the game for town

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Why me over Wilgy?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:59 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:18 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm My argument is, Nut was killed so that you could continue the push of East side players.

You're response is, 'but look, nut suspected both of you' and you then post a lone suspicion on WWA and avoid all the posts of Nut advocating for west as well.
Because that totally wouldn't case the remaining wolves to lash out at my side of the thread! I'm starting to wonder if that is the reason
Doesn't even make sense as a counter point. You're arguing that wolves are in east, killed nutella, and are now because they've put a chokehold poe on themselves, they are suddenly lashing at your thread for pursuing that PoE?

Back to the, why make that kill in the first place?

also, as I can assume this commentary is directed, I'm not lashing at your thread. I've cased specifically you, as the agenda all makes sense, and considered the others INCLUDING players on east.
Likely they assumed nutella was a wolf. Mechanical interference like redirecting is also a possibility, but there's no use speculating on it when there's no claiming. I don't see why you think that nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective. Furthermore, I think this is all a distraction from the fact that there are almost certainly unflipped wolves from your side. Do you really think WWA is town?
Ok, this is bullshit. You explicitly called me out earlier when I said I had no reason to kill Nutella because I'd be incriminating myself, and said that's exactly why I'd kill Nutella. You already gave a reason why I couldve killed Nutella, and Delta also chimed in to say it could just be WIFOM from Wilgy or me. Which is perfectly reasonable, tbh, cause anything can be WIFOM.

So it's not true that you wouldn't see why Wilgy would think Nutella was a good kill.

I don't think it's an optimal kill for either of you, but I can see some sort of logic in it. It is one that suggests wolves have some sort of ace up their sleeve that we don't know about, which is a little worrying.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:38 pm Further, nutella voted WWA and was fairly suspicious of Wilgy. It's not like neither of you have motivation to kill nutella. Furthermore, it's not like wolves ever make strategical blunders, look at the D1 pyxxy bus for instance. The nutella kill wouldn't be smart from my point of view either, as I'd want to leave options in the other side open and killing in my side would make my worldview look more true. If Davos is a wolf though, the nutella kill would make some sense as if they can lynch the other person from the other side they'd have a good chance of winning; it would essentially be a gambit to ensure the elimination of the other wolf one way or another. Since Wilgy isn't really pushing WWA (although from your point of view you should!) it was probably WWA who killed nutella. That might make Wilgy the better vote however, for reasons I've already explained.
What
How would I make the kill because Wilgy isn't pushing me? Wtf is the logic there?

If the logic was to kill nutella and vote out the remaining person on your side in order to guarantee the death of the other wolf, then Wilgy would be pushing you if he made the kill.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:39 pm I don't see myself voting outside of Davos or Leetic this cycle.

Actually be bold and vote Davos. I see many people saying that voting Davos is a good idea, but I see nobody actually doing it'

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:18 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm My argument is, Nut was killed so that you could continue the push of East side players.

You're response is, 'but look, nut suspected both of you' and you then post a lone suspicion on WWA and avoid all the posts of Nut advocating for west as well.
Because that totally wouldn't case the remaining wolves to lash out at my side of the thread! I'm starting to wonder if that is the reason
Doesn't even make sense as a counter point. You're arguing that wolves are in east, killed nutella, and are now because they've put a chokehold poe on themselves, they are suddenly lashing at your thread for pursuing that PoE?

Back to the, why make that kill in the first place?

also, as I can assume this commentary is directed, I'm not lashing at your thread. I've cased specifically you, as the agenda all makes sense, and considered the others INCLUDING players on east.
Likely they assumed nutella was a wolf. Mechanical interference like redirecting is also a possibility, but there's no use speculating on it when there's no claiming. I don't see why you think that nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective. Furthermore, I think this is all a distraction from the fact that there are almost certainly unflipped wolves from your side. Do you really think WWA is town?
Ah, now we'll ignore mech determining the way things are occurring this game.

"Nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective." - I've already stated this, Nutella wanted to yeet out of the east PoE, this has been one of the pillars of my argument this entire dialogue. You've posted quotes that fulfill a false narrative about it and pretended it's not the case.

No, I don't think WWA is town, BUT I also don't think they make the Nutella kill. IF WWA flips town, I do not we win this game.

nutella was voting WWA lol. I don't think this narrative you are trying to push holds up.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:18 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm My argument is, Nut was killed so that you could continue the push of East side players.

You're response is, 'but look, nut suspected both of you' and you then post a lone suspicion on WWA and avoid all the posts of Nut advocating for west as well.
Because that totally wouldn't case the remaining wolves to lash out at my side of the thread! I'm starting to wonder if that is the reason
Doesn't even make sense as a counter point. You're arguing that wolves are in east, killed nutella, and are now because they've put a chokehold poe on themselves, they are suddenly lashing at your thread for pursuing that PoE?

Back to the, why make that kill in the first place?

also, as I can assume this commentary is directed, I'm not lashing at your thread. I've cased specifically you, as the agenda all makes sense, and considered the others INCLUDING players on east.

Likely they assumed nutella was a wolf. Mechanical interference like redirecting is also a possibility, but there's no use speculating on it when there's no claiming. I don't see why you think that nutella would be a better kill than someone from my side or even WWA from my perspective. Furthermore, I think this is all a distraction from the fact that there are almost certainly unflipped wolves from your side. Do you really think WWA is town?

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