Overall, the contrivances in Windward's "case" are probably the biggest red flag of anyone so far. Sure, part of it may have been a misunderstanding, but the bizarre insistence on me keeping the reads for the entire game just doesn't feel natural to me, not to mention some quick backtracking. If Windward was contributing in other ways, sure, but they don't really have any significant interactions with anyone other than me.
If I had to pick a biggest townread right now, I guess it would be Gira? 45 comes from a towny place, plus I feel they've been the most open out of any player thus far.
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- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:53 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
How about I'll answer that question if you can give me a GTH read on at least three people.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:46 pm
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But those were the only thoughts that were posted at that point. What thoughts do you think are acceptable to have?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:45 pmOhhh. Ok, then that was my misunderstanding.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:44 pmNo, that quote was referring to your post. Your first post was basically stating that we shouldn't have reads at this point of the game, which is basically saying we shouldn't have thoughts on players.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:43 pm^ that sure looks to me like you're saying that people shouldn't have thoughts about the game, and that I'm wolfy for having thoughts.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pmFirst thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pmToo soon for these reads imo
Yeah, I did say we shouldn't have thoughts on players, specifically who have only fluffposted. I didn't say we shouldn't have any thoughts at all.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:44 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
No, that quote was referring to your post. Your first post was basically stating that we shouldn't have reads at this point of the game, which is basically saying we shouldn't have thoughts on players.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:43 pm^ that sure looks to me like you're saying that people shouldn't have thoughts about the game, and that I'm wolfy for having thoughts.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pmFirst thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pmToo soon for these reads imoleetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pmGTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appearGira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pmA good person will follow the rules. A great person will follow himself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:14 am Game rules and guidelines (note especially voting rules #2, #5, and #8, but all rules apply)
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Angleshooting, excessive appeal to emotion, and loopholes
Don't.
We all know what the spirit of Mafia is about. So don't. If you ever think something might be cutting it close, just ask me before doing it/saying it. Thanks gang.
Examples of things that suck:
- Relying on volatile emotionality as a strategy to progress the game for yourself (or posting the same material non-strategically). Utilize the moderators on duty.
- Referencing out-of-game personal information to progress yourself in the game (regardless of alignment) -- you can mention things about life, just don't expect it to necessarily be worth added grace in the game.
- Trying to use specific wording in your role card to glean information in the thread
- Making reads or judgments about the game based upon who you see in the "Who is online" section under the thread
- Openly calling for or talking about the mafia team conceding
- Discussing anything outside the game thread that should have no bearing on it (e.g., technical quirks you observe on Discord) other than ordinary metagaming
- Plenty of other things; there are too many to list. Contact me if you're tempted but unsure or if you believe someone else has engaged in an angleshooting or appeal to emotion violation.
GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:43 pm
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- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:42 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
If they aren't game-related, then why are they in the game? Clearly, they must have had some reason to post themWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:40 pmBecause neither of those two posts are even talking about the game. How can you make serious reads off of posts that aren't game-related? Am I missing something?leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:38 pmWhat do you think is "fake" about them? Did I list someone as GTH town when I actually saw them as GTH wolf?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:36 pmNo, I reactively commented that leetic's GTH reads are fake.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:40 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
That's not even remotely what I said. Are you even reading my posts?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:39 pm You just said you thought I was giving too many thoughts and that it was wolfy.
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If you think my GTH reads are meaningless, aren't you overreacting to fluff and making reads from fluffposts from your perspective? Yes, tu quoque, I know, but this still feels contrivedWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:38 pmYou think I'm fluffposting and wasting your time? Making up a push on you for... what reason? I couldve come up with plenty of better reasons to fabricate a push on you but I legitimately think that YOU are overreacting to what I said about making reads based on fluff. At least I'm not the one making reads based on fluffposts!leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:34 pmSo basically, your only "contribution" is disparaging the contributions of others. Town would at least want to push the game forward, would they not? You give me the impression of someone who wants to keep the thread static with nothing but fluffpostsWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:32 pmNo, but I said earlier that I would keep an eye on how your reads evolve over the next few days and yet you're completely ignoring that. You're entirely focused on pushing me because I didn't like your "GTH reads" on a pair of fluffposts. It's like you've already been caught for the wrong reasons because it wasn't necessarily wolfy that you posted that, but your overdefensiveness by way of OMGUSing me is not towny.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:29 pmDid I ever insinuate that I would stick to these reads throughout the game? You do know what "GTH" means right? This feels quite a bit jumpy to meWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pmThen stick to your opinions and be wrong. Youre not solving me, either. You're just telling me I'm wolfy because I pointed out that your post was not giving real reads, and I'm pretty sure that means I'm correct.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:38 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
What do you think is "fake" about them? Did I list someone as GTH town when I actually saw them as GTH wolf?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:36 pmNo, I reactively commented that leetic's GTH reads are fake.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:37 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
Alright, so you agree that everyone knows their alignment, thus that knowledge is reflected in their posts, so what is your issue with me? Also, if you want to start a discussion, then why oppose the only other person starting a discussion? This feels a bit like backtracking to meWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:35 pmEveryone knows their own alignment, that's just how mafia games work. I am sparking a discussion so that I have actual material to solve from. I don't care if it's a controversial take or not, because it will yield useful information regardless of whether I reach the right conclusion or not. If I draw the wrong conclusion in the end, at least someone else reading the discussion will have the chance to draw the correct one.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:31 pmThese players presumably know their alignments, and that will be reflected in their posts. Do you not have to start from somewhere? What exactly are you accomplishing right now?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:30 pmDoesn't matter if GTH or not. You can't seriously get reads out of two fluffposts unless the players in question are severely polarized in terms of when and how they fluffpost. I don't believe Gira is, and I would default to assuming the same for Ranmilia. There are very few players I could name who are polarized enough to mostly fluffpost as a specific alignment, and even still, they will probably make an entry fluffpost in every game, meaning their first post doesn't indicate anything.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pmWhat about them makes them not reads? GTH reads, sure, but still readsWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm I mean those were NOT reads. If you want to argue that you were doing it for a reaction test, maybe I'd buy that explanation, but there's no way those reads were serious.
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- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:34 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
So basically, your only "contribution" is disparaging the contributions of others. Town would at least want to push the game forward, would they not? You give me the impression of someone who wants to keep the thread static with nothing but fluffpostsWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:32 pmNo, but I said earlier that I would keep an eye on how your reads evolve over the next few days and yet you're completely ignoring that. You're entirely focused on pushing me because I didn't like your "GTH reads" on a pair of fluffposts. It's like you've already been caught for the wrong reasons because it wasn't necessarily wolfy that you posted that, but your overdefensiveness by way of OMGUSing me is not towny.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:29 pmDid I ever insinuate that I would stick to these reads throughout the game? You do know what "GTH" means right? This feels quite a bit jumpy to meWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pmThen stick to your opinions and be wrong. Youre not solving me, either. You're just telling me I'm wolfy because I pointed out that your post was not giving real reads, and I'm pretty sure that means I'm correct.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pmI don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:25 pmI don't believe youleetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pmYour argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving hereWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pm
Meta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.
In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:31 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
These players presumably know their alignments, and that will be reflected in their posts. Do you not have to start from somewhere? What exactly are you accomplishing right now?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:30 pmDoesn't matter if GTH or not. You can't seriously get reads out of two fluffposts unless the players in question are severely polarized in terms of when and how they fluffpost. I don't believe Gira is, and I would default to assuming the same for Ranmilia. There are very few players I could name who are polarized enough to mostly fluffpost as a specific alignment, and even still, they will probably make an entry fluffpost in every game, meaning their first post doesn't indicate anything.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pmWhat about them makes them not reads? GTH reads, sure, but still readsWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm I mean those were NOT reads. If you want to argue that you were doing it for a reaction test, maybe I'd buy that explanation, but there's no way those reads were serious.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:29 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
Did I ever insinuate that I would stick to these reads throughout the game? You do know what "GTH" means right? This feels quite a bit jumpy to meWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pmThen stick to your opinions and be wrong. Youre not solving me, either. You're just telling me I'm wolfy because I pointed out that your post was not giving real reads, and I'm pretty sure that means I'm correct.leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pmI don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:25 pmI don't believe youleetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pmYour argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving hereWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pmMeta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.
In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:28 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
If I could, I would vote WindwardAway here
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:27 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
What about them makes them not reads? GTH reads, sure, but still readsWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm I mean those were NOT reads. If you want to argue that you were doing it for a reaction test, maybe I'd buy that explanation, but there's no way those reads were serious.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
I don't believe those whose only activity is disparaging the activity of others.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:25 pmI don't believe youleetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pmYour argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving hereWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pmMeta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.
In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:24 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
Your argument fails, for I am the only one trying to do any sort of solving hereWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:23 pmMeta-wise, idk, I've played with leetic before but don't remember if they make reads as early as in pregame.
In general, no, I don't just immediately wolfread people for doing that, but it raises some suspicion because I think wolves are more likely to find reasons to form a narrative and stick with it because they're NOT actually reading to solve.
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:20 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
First thought is that we shouldn't be making thoughts. GTH wolf.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:17 pmToo soon for these reads imoleetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pmGTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appearGira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pmA good person will follow the rules. A great person will follow himself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:14 am Game rules and guidelines (note especially voting rules #2, #5, and #8, but all rules apply)
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Angleshooting, excessive appeal to emotion, and loopholes
Don't.
We all know what the spirit of Mafia is about. So don't. If you ever think something might be cutting it close, just ask me before doing it/saying it. Thanks gang.
Examples of things that suck:
- Relying on volatile emotionality as a strategy to progress the game for yourself (or posting the same material non-strategically). Utilize the moderators on duty.
- Referencing out-of-game personal information to progress yourself in the game (regardless of alignment) -- you can mention things about life, just don't expect it to necessarily be worth added grace in the game.
- Trying to use specific wording in your role card to glean information in the thread
- Making reads or judgments about the game based upon who you see in the "Who is online" section under the thread
- Openly calling for or talking about the mafia team conceding
- Discussing anything outside the game thread that should have no bearing on it (e.g., technical quirks you observe on Discord) other than ordinary metagaming
- Plenty of other things; there are too many to list. Contact me if you're tempted but unsure or if you believe someone else has engaged in an angleshooting or appeal to emotion violation.
GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly
- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:11 pm
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- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:09 pm
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- Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:08 pm
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Re: Severance [Phase Zero]
GTH town, looks like the words of someone who doesn't care how they appearGira wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:03 pmA good person will follow the rules. A great person will follow himself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:14 am Game rules and guidelines (note especially voting rules #2, #5, and #8, but all rules apply)
Spoiler: show
Angleshooting, excessive appeal to emotion, and loopholes
Don't.
We all know what the spirit of Mafia is about. So don't. If you ever think something might be cutting it close, just ask me before doing it/saying it. Thanks gang.
Examples of things that suck:
- Relying on volatile emotionality as a strategy to progress the game for yourself (or posting the same material non-strategically). Utilize the moderators on duty.
- Referencing out-of-game personal information to progress yourself in the game (regardless of alignment) -- you can mention things about life, just don't expect it to necessarily be worth added grace in the game.
- Trying to use specific wording in your role card to glean information in the thread
- Making reads or judgments about the game based upon who you see in the "Who is online" section under the thread
- Openly calling for or talking about the mafia team conceding
- Discussing anything outside the game thread that should have no bearing on it (e.g., technical quirks you observe on Discord) other than ordinary metagaming
- Plenty of other things; there are too many to list. Contact me if you're tempted but unsure or if you believe someone else has engaged in an angleshooting or appeal to emotion violation.
GTH wolf, opener that says nothing but is an attempt to appear friendly