The Syndicate

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:02 pm @leetic

Out of the people voting you, who do you think has been towny in their approach vs wolfy?

As I said earlier, if Abigail is town (which I think is most likely, there is no reason for scum to make this gambit here) then wolves usually allow town to eat themselves. That would match up with pyxxy's behavior… and yours.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:58 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:57 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:46 am This is probably the biggest town dumpster fire that I have ever been a part of

Nah that was yesterday when we lost our doc.

I hate games where people claim, it's subpar playing in my head.

What was the worst about yesterday is that you pushed an elim from one post, it was sad and if I was lp I would have played it the way they did.

Since when is it "subpar playing" for town to self-pres? Is this opposite day or something?

Look, if I had a claim that could save myself, I would do it. I'm just vanilla town unfortunately

People need to realize that a red check isn't a mechanical out, especially when there is no reason to clear the cop. This is at least the third fake redcheck on me that I have dealt with, and that's not counting fake redchecks on other people

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:56 am

Spoiler: show

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:10 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:31 am I've bean training for this game my entire life

Fluff.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:31 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:07 pm I've played 6 games of forum mafia this year and was only town in 2 of them. So mathematically, there's a 100% chance I'm town this game.

been weighing on you?

Light shading/fluff.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:33 am

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Preferred alignment? - I'm a side sleeper
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often? - if I get going
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here? - yessirreebob

Note how they don't even commit to any of the answers.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:35 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:04 pm [VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine for continuing to lurk, what are you even doing?

this post hurt me [complimentary]

Fluff, no real judgement here'

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:37 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:42 pm

Would you say he's GTH town or scum?

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?

The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment

This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that

yeah hey that's my lane

Minor shading/fluff.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:45 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:54 am @pyxxy Why are you lurking? Don't you have any thoughts on the game?

Who posted - BEANS MAFIA - Day 1 - 91 replies
User NamePosts
leetic 26
Delta 16
Seanzie 16
Scotty 7
Thunal33 7
Jackofhearts2005 4
Dyslexicon 3
Epignosis 3
Justplayingitcool 3
S~V~S 2

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:46 am 15 players. 48/24 phases - game will be closed during the night phase. Closed setup. No hammers and it is not a bastard game.

Players

LinearPoint
Scotty
S~V~S
DrWilgy
Seanzie
Thunal33
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Delta
pyxxy
Epignosis
Roxy
leetic
Long Con
Dyslexicon
Jackofhearts2005

Maybe theyhad posted before, but can you blame me for not noticing? Fluff, only point here is "leetic was wrong about something" and it's only implied.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:50 am second time playing with epi he feels like the first game I couldn't stop sussing him so I'm just gonna label him as a good bean for now

bedtime

Closest thing to an actual read, and it's still noncommittal.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:50 am

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:50 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:33 am

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Preferred alignment? - I'm a side sleeper
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often? - if I get going
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here? - yessirreebob

Fluff.

Nothing but fluff, light shading, and a noncommittal read on Epignosis. @LinearPoint is this really one of your bigger townreads?

Good look for pyxxy imo. leetic was trying to take away LP's townread on him.

Aren't you counting your chickens before they hatch? None of this will be useful when I flip town

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:57 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:46 am This is probably the biggest town dumpster fire that I have ever been a part of

Nah that was yesterday when we lost our doc.

I hate games where people claim, it's subpar playing in my head.

What was the worst about yesterday is that you pushed an elim from one post, it was sad and if I was lp I would have played it the way they did.

Since when is it "subpar playing" for town to self-pres? Is this opposite day or something?

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:37 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:56 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

My perspective is perhaps biased because I played in a game where someone did exactlly that. https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vb ... p?t=151853 See Mikey (flashflaash account) on D2 (would be considered D3 in this site's parlance)

Does anyone ever actuality follow these links and read them? I don't bc its useless to base reads on meta bc meta changes game to game. And if you say not me then I would ask - so you still play like your first game? Unsure of everything?

Are you even paying attention? This is not a "meta read", it's me trying to understand what Abigail could possibly gain from a fakeclaim

You are using another players game on another site to describe a different player here if this is the right way to play I'm always going to play wrong.

No, I am using an analagous situation to try to understand Abigail's behavior. I even concluded that that's probably not what happens, since Abigail has little reason to as confidently wolfread me as Mikey did with DBP. Are you even paying attention to my posts, since it seems like every single one of your responses to my posts is a massive strawman taking the single most bad-faith interpretation

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:47 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:39 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

What makes zero sense about this? I've been through a similar situation before that ended up being disastrous for town and wanted to limit the damage in this game but it seems that PA is insistent on this terrible lynch

Like the terrible elim you led yesterday without listening to any other player trying to point out that you could be wrong?

It was hardly "terrible", it was the best choice we could have made based on the evidence. LP's last post was a huge blunder for town and they could have easily saved themselves by claiming but didn't for some reason. The only thing that makes it super unfortunate is that they turned out to be a PR, but otherwise eliminating an inactive town is miles better than eliminating an active one. I'd like to point out that Dizzy, whose slot's testimony you depend on to SR me, was also on the wagon

This is probably the biggest town dumpster fire that I have ever been a part of

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:02 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

Ooooh, I see. Cop claim, is it?

Well, if I were cop, I would have checked leetic night one too, especially if I didn't have any strong suspects. I'd want to be sure the person who was trying so aggressively to run the thread had the towns best interests at heart. Makes sense to me.

I'll read Abigail in iso first I guess.

But my slot is likely one that will self-resolve. Since I was likely to die on N1, using a cop shot on me was risky and seeing if I survive several day phases is usually a good indicator of whether an active town should be reconsidered. Using it on an inactive player like Wilgy is a much better use since you can't really read them otherwise

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:26 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:40 pm I hope people are actually active after this day. If the game ends with town that was mislynched on D2 as the highest poster, I will be very upset

In a game of mafia is not the quantity of posts that makes you town is what you post. You led a v bad elim d 1 calm down its no wonder players do not want to follow you.

Active doesn't necessarily mean towny but if town is inactive it means that scum can easily win by pushing forward easy mislynches. Town isn't going to get much useful information today, most of the "reads" posted today are based on the assumption that I will flip scum, which I won't. On a side note, I have no sympathy for LP when they could have saved themselves by claiming doctor but didn't

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

What makes zero sense about this? I've been through a similar situation before that ended up being disastrous for town and wanted to limit the damage in this game but it seems that PA is insistent on this terrible lynch

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:10 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.

Well, you are wrong. If you're actually town, you better apologize when I flip

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:56 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

My perspective is perhaps biased because I played in a game where someone did exactlly that. https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vb ... p?t=151853 See Mikey (flashflaash account) on D2 (would be considered D3 in this site's parlance)

Does anyone ever actuality follow these links and read them? I don't bc its useless to base reads on meta bc meta changes game to game. And if you say not me then I would ask - so you still play like your first game? Unsure of everything?

Are you even paying attention? This is not a "meta read", it's me trying to understand what Abigail could possibly gain from a fakeclaim

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

It's stupid play because it will lead to an inevitable mislynch and has the potential to out PRs that can stay hidden, which is basically the opposite of what is good for town

Well, goodnight for now. At least keep the activity going; if there's not a page of extra posts by the time I wake up I'll be disappointed! Inactivity kills towns.

Or a bus driver! Someone might have wanted to redirect a kill from me onto a scum member and accidentally sent the cop check to them! I'm starting to see possibilities that make sense

Although Dizzy's "I don't care about D1 but would like to survive to D2" corresponds to a PR soft, and if wolves have a role that can screw with night results, they would have good reason to use it on Dyslexicon…

I think I've had my eureka moment

@Delta You're lurking, got any thoughts? I know you'll take my side, eh?

pyxxy is the only one who conspicuously avoided discussing my supposed check, but then again like half the game hasn't showed up

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:56 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:50 pm Or I guess Insane Cop is another possibility, but again, bastard.

I'll bite. Let's say, somehow, you're town. Who's reaction to your red check do you think is likely TMI? Who do you think is trying to look good off your flip?

It's more likely that mafia just allows town to eat themselves in these scenarios

Or I guess Insane Cop is another possibility, but again, bastard.

Here's a list of every possible scenario that I can think of:

* I am a hidden miller or just scum that didn't get the memo.
** However, this game is not bastard.
* There is a tailor
** But why would they target me when there are many other options more likely to get checked (Scotty, for instance)
* Abigail is pulling a Mikey, fakeclaiming Cop because they think there's no other way to get their scumread lynched
** But how would they be so confident of this after literally just arriving at the game
* Abigail is mafia trying to bait the CC
** Just why? Since the doctor was 2-shot, cop will likely be 2-shot as well and Abigail's slot was in no real danger
* Abigail is just intentionally throwing
** See no reason to count that out now
* Abigail is an independent — either a Jester trying to bait the CC/be exposed when I flip town or a Lyncher with me as the target
** But either of these don't exactly vibe with Dyslexicon's behavior D1. Well, aside from maybe the self-vote, but it was dropped

Why do I feel like I'm writing my own case?

I hope people are actually active after this day. If the game ends with town that was mislynched on D2 as the highest poster, I will be very upset

Is it confirmed if there can be ITPs or not? Because that is the only possibility that makes even a shred of sense

But I guess, if Abigail was pulling a Mikey, then what reason would she have to be so confident on scumreading me when she just arrived in the game? Dyslexicon didn't scumread me, so it can't be that

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:32 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:31 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing

This is desperately self-aware. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

How is that an argument?

I didn't intend it to be one. I was looking back over the situation and noticed this, and I don't like it. It's only an argument if you argue against it?

Why don't you like it?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

Damn, getting caught in the unhelpful 1v11 again. But it's hard to avoid when that's literally what everyone else is talking about (except pyxxy for some reason)

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing

This is desperately self-aware. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

How is that an argument?

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

My perspective is perhaps biased because I played in a game where someone did exactlly that. https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vb ... p?t=151853 See Mikey (flashflaash account) on D2 (would be considered D3 in this site's parlance)

The funny thing in that game is he actually fake redchecked a wolf, but they knew it was bullshit because of both the setup and the fact that the wolf was a godfather

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

My perspective is perhaps biased because I played in a game where someone did exactlly that. https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vb ... p?t=151853 See Mikey (flashflaash account) on D2 (would be considered D3 in this site's parlance)

Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Unless there is a tailor in this setup, or there are bastard hidden millers, then you did not get a red check on me. That is clear.

Just because it is possible for a cop to exist in a setup doesn't mean your claim isn't obviously fake. It's possible for a roleblocker to exist, if I claim roleblocker, does that mean that said claim isn;t obviously fake?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:16 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:47 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:46 pm If PA is mafia, then claiming cop when they are well aware of a potential CC is a very bad idea unless they want to get rid of the town cop that much. Maybe they're a jester, but are those really common in this day and age? Town gambit is most likely, but keep in mind that this is a very very bad idea and there are a million ways that this can go wrong.

I don't know.

I'm kind of having fun again all of a sudden.

Right? This is a way easier way to play, frankly. Put an elephant in the room and see what happens.

Leetic, why would you counter-claim a Scotty check? Before I caught up to the rescind, I thought it was just incredulous that it *happened* to be the dead guy, like, how convenient, right? Why would you go that way, this is looking meltdowny.

I CC'd to try to get Abigail to back down. I did not want the actual cop (if one exists) to CC. The biggest problem with town gambits where they fakeclaim cop is that they will often cause PRs to be outed, and since we already lost two we do not want that to happen

I don't understand the point of a gambit like this, how can this be a gambit? Random hope?

In theory, to get town to hammer someone you think is town. In practice, there is no good reason to be doing this but people do this anyway.

Did you say that wrong? If you are positioning Abi as 'misguided Town' then don't you mean "to get town to hammer someone you think is wolf"?

Yeah, sorry ADHD

So we have someone not claiming when it could save them, someone not self-presing, and now it seems a cop fakeclaim gambit. If Abigail is town, then this game is a perfect storm of terrible town play

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:47 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:46 pm If PA is mafia, then claiming cop when they are well aware of a potential CC is a very bad idea unless they want to get rid of the town cop that much. Maybe they're a jester, but are those really common in this day and age? Town gambit is most likely, but keep in mind that this is a very very bad idea and there are a million ways that this can go wrong.

I don't know.

I'm kind of having fun again all of a sudden.

Right? This is a way easier way to play, frankly. Put an elephant in the room and see what happens.

Leetic, why would you counter-claim a Scotty check? Before I caught up to the rescind, I thought it was just incredulous that it *happened* to be the dead guy, like, how convenient, right? Why would you go that way, this is looking meltdowny.

I CC'd to try to get Abigail to back down. I did not want the actual cop (if one exists) to CC. The biggest problem with town gambits where they fakeclaim cop is that they will often cause PRs to be outed, and since we already lost two we do not want that to happen

I don't understand the point of a gambit like this, how can this be a gambit? Random hope?

In theory, to get town to hammer someone you think is town. In practice, there is no good reason to be doing this but people do this anyway.

I guess I should have hammered Dyslexicon harder for self-voting. Every time I give someone even a little bit of leeway for that behavior, it goes back to bite me hard

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Well, I know I'm probably dead already. But I implore you that we at least focus on other stuff today. Y'all do realize that this day'll be a complete waste if I flip town (which I will)

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:47 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:46 pm If PA is mafia, then claiming cop when they are well aware of a potential CC is a very bad idea unless they want to get rid of the town cop that much. Maybe they're a jester, but are those really common in this day and age? Town gambit is most likely, but keep in mind that this is a very very bad idea and there are a million ways that this can go wrong.

I don't know.

I'm kind of having fun again all of a sudden.

Right? This is a way easier way to play, frankly. Put an elephant in the room and see what happens.

Leetic, why would you counter-claim a Scotty check? Before I caught up to the rescind, I thought it was just incredulous that it *happened* to be the dead guy, like, how convenient, right? Why would you go that way, this is looking meltdowny.

I CC'd to try to get Abigail to back down. I did not want the actual cop (if one exists) to CC. The biggest problem with town gambits where they fakeclaim cop is that they will often cause PRs to be outed, and since we already lost two we do not want that to happen

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:00 pm I guess there's also the possibility of a tailor? But why would they target me of all people? Scotty was more likely to be cop checked so what gives?

If Abigail is actually a cop, and this does turn out to be a frame job, don't look at the people actively pursuing me but the ones just watching it happen. In this kind of situation, wolves just sit back and relax as town eats itself up

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:04 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:32 pm But again, we probably shouldn't be talking about whether Scotty was scummy, the best thing about the vigkill was that it freed town from having to go over this discussion

Agreed on this. Kinda impressed by Seanzie choosing to shoot.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:38 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:20 pm Long Con and Jack did try to make pyxxy happen. Given that LP/Scotty was t/t and thus a comfortable EoD for wolves I am willing to give town points to both for trying to start an alternative, which would have been unnecessary for wolves.

Besides that, we have Epi and Roxy on vanity wagons. The former didn't show for EoD, so there's little to be gleaned there. Roxy voted at almost the last minute, which does seem a little unnecessary as scum but I'm still not entirely sure what to make of it

Oh, and @pyxxy was on Wilgy (I'm too used to the polls being preserved as a screenshot, hence why I missed it). That does seem by far the strangest of the vanity wagons today, and pyxxy should definitely explain why they avoided the wagons. They were here 38 minutes before EoD, enough to know that it would definitely be a vanity wagon

Yeah sorry about that, I looked away and got lost in work. If I had been around I would have suggested a Wilgy wagon. I think he slanked through D1. I was hoping to see something more. The low posting reminded me of his scum play in Apathy Mafia: viewtopic.php?p=1049145#p1049145

Difference that I see is that past scum Wilgy was down to toss teammate Porscha right in front of the bus. Here, we now know there wasn't real pressure on any wolves? Probably? Tell me if there was a real alternative to LP and Scotty that I missed. But no Wilgy popping in feels very much like "gj scummates, see y'all tomorrow /s".

see y'all around I'm eating sushi

You know, it's really weird how you are seemingly ignorant of the elephant in the room here

Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:03 pm If leetic is bad, LC is the teammate:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:03 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:51 pm I'm going to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine. Still feel like the psypsypsythe thing was "busy work", as Thunal(?) put it, and... did that 'research' actually happen? Third-highest poster, but there's a lot of fluff involved, I don't even know what the geese thing is, this is Beans Mafia, not Geese Mafia. Is leetic Canadian, is that what that's about?

My problem here is that you're entirely focused on pyxxy's older posts when their newer ones are much more substantive. Then again you probably haven't read the whole thread but still

I have read the new posts, and I do not find them substantive at all. More fluff and waffles.

Raise your hand if leetic gave you that kind of leeway.

When I flip town, what will you think of Abigail?

I'd say it's weird how Abigail is not rescinding, but then I remember a time when town Mikey did not rescind his fake cop claim until the end of the phase. Despite the setup being C9++ and his claim being obviously fake based on pure mechanics

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm wondering why kill Seanzie over someone broadly tr i.e. leetic. maybe I'll comb iso for a crumb but idk if seanzie is the type / if this scum team are pr hunters

Looking at Princess Abigail, we probably have our answer. But to be fair, Seanzie did seem to be more unanimously townread, there was quite a bit of tinfoil on me at EoD. That, or scum felt that I was being a useful idiot for them

I guess there's also the possibility of a tailor? But why would they target me of all people? Scotty was more likely to be cop checked so what gives?

For the record, if I was actually a cop, I would have checked Wilgy. Best to resolve the slank slots

Don't think I'm giving up scumhunting though

I rescind. Just wanted to see if PA dropped their fakeclaim

Actual cop (if you're out there), it's probably not a good idea to CC. This will only end if one of me or Abigail is dead, and my flip will prove Abigail is fake. As much as I'd love it to be otherwise, the extra cop check(s) are probably more valuable for town than my continued existence

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:47 pm I give PA ten minutes to rescind the claim.

I'll fast forward the Clock for you

It ain't gonna go away. soz for your rand.

I know you're wrong, because I'm the cop. I have a green on Scotty.