The Syndicate

I give PA ten minutes to rescind the claim.

If PA is mafia, then claiming cop when they are well aware of a potential CC is a very bad idea unless they want to get rid of the town cop that much. Maybe they're a jester, but are those really common in this day and age? Town gambit is most likely, but keep in mind that this is a very very bad idea and there are a million ways that this can go wrong.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:41 pm Hard claim never rescind by the way

Look, before you hold on to this in an attempt to play the hero, keep in mind that if there is an actual cop and you out them, it will be very, very bad.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:41 pm Hard claim never rescind by the way

Wait, what?

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

I mean, this is probably a gambit, but come on.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:39 pm well

those are some unfortunate flips

What were you doing off-wagon last EoD?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:39 pm Anyways I have a red on Leetic so merk them so I can die tonight and be showered with praise in dvc

Good luck with that.

Read on Thunal?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:34 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:27 pm
Spoiler: show
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree
And what are you actually going to do with that agreement? Do you read me as scum or what?
I'll let you know when I've actually read more than the first handful of posts.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:14 pm Well, I finished VLR today and I haven't given this game enough time and the kids are all in bed so I supposed I should read and solve over here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
Feels townie.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
I don't think this line of questioning is fair this early in the game. Like heaven forbid we don't have a read on someone 30 posts into the game.

That said, I think it is the kinda post I would expect more from a townie than a wolf.

I'm fully aware that I earlier agreed with Scotty that this was a wolfy post. Don't care. Now it's a townie post.

That's the main thing I'm getting out of my page one. I think Leetic's interactions with most everybody are townie. He's trying to squeeze content out of people.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:19 pm [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:19 pm [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.
Although, the one weird thing about this votes is that it seems to be an attempt to absolve himself if things go wrong. "Don't blame me, blame my townreads!"
There's no absolution if LP goes over and is town. But it saves people the trouble of going "why do/did you suspect LP" when the answer is that I don't. I don't have any suspects yet, really.
This is what I mean by awareness. Jack anticipated criticism/questioning multiple times, like saying he voted LP because of his townreads and saying that he agreed with Scotty earlier but now disagrees. A lot of wanting to tell the thread he's catching up too, which is >rand wolf.

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 I had voted LP right before you did and you voiced that one of my posts was yucky, did it bother you at all that I was voting there?
What do you think of Jack joining LC on the pyxxy wagon at EoD?
It could go either way. I don't think going on pyxxy is in itself towny like you said since there's a clear motive for a wolf to avoid the main town wagon. I do think it means Jack and LC probably aren't both wolves.

Maybe to avoid the wagons, but to start an alternate wagon when there were two viable town wagons? The votes were close enough to where it could have worked

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pm

But do you like town winning?
Sure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.
Excellent. I can go to bed now that I'm done with work.
Didn't you vote for Dyslexicon? Why would you go with their replacement's "solve"?
I have a terrific scholarly article I'd like you to read.
So, what do you think of PA so far?
I'm going to bed.

Nice read

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:32 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:16 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:59 pm Also people weren't really accusing you of lurking? This is a weird response
All I can really do for my last post is point out that this is a Mafia.

I just said I don't have time to read through everything or even know what I'm being pushed on. And here you are trying to twist facts and say I have this knowledge.

This combined with all your posts I read early in the day being performative useless fluff. I don't think I have seen someone open wolfing this hard in a while and I hope a Vigilante exists and they can recognize this.
This is basically the wolfiest response imaginable. It's basically an admission of "Yeah, I'm outed, now let me just throw shit at the wall and leave"
This static read makes me paranoid of Leetic. It’s like everything LP does is wolfy and leetic keeps updating the wolfread for different reasons. Ime that’s >rand wolf behavior.
Despite Thunal's noncommittal read on LP they were by far the most static of LP's voters at EoD. That's probably the weirdest thing about Thunal's progression thus far.
I didn't hard scumread LP, I just thought she was a better vote than Scotty or pyxxy so even the moments when I thought she was towny I wasn't seriously considering switching. I'm somewhat anti CFD so it would have taken significant new evidence for me to switch my vote.

There were other vanity wagons around; why didn't you join them?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:34 pm

At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't
Mmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
But do you like town winning?
Sure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.
Excellent. I can go to bed now that I'm done with work.
Didn't you vote for Dyslexicon? Why would you go with their replacement's "solve"?
I have a terrific scholarly article I'd like you to read.

So, what do you think of PA so far?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:33 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:31 pm
Spoiler: show
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:41 am Theres an alarming lack of easy reads in this game, I might have to actually try, there's only like 4 people I feel good about reading lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:24 pm Good night, friends.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You probably do need to try this game.

@Thunal33 Wink wink
Idk I think I'm gonna give it a bit and see how it shakes out, ideally you guys kill a couple mafia today and tomorrow and I can swoop in later and give the game winning poe from there

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:45 pm Post a lot of fluff > reads seemingly out of nowhere > back to fluff is kinda my m.o. these days lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:06 am Is it bad j want to sr sean for not sring me or

Probably not a good idea to not reward it longterm but
With Nanook it's more projecting what he's going to do with the posts he does have, like talking about making a winning PoE in a few phases and explaining that he posts a lot of fluff. I don't like that he wanted to sr Sean but asked "is it bad" and I'm not totally convinced it's a real read. At the time I was fairly confidently townreading Seanzie and I thought he made himself pretty obvious town.
That is really just Nanook indicative more than anything

But Nook is town so

Elaborate.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:27 pm
Spoiler: show
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:42 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Good timing :o
It's mainly introductions, I wanted to be around for most people getting here so I could get stuck into things but since things are quiet I'm struggling a little & I didnt really want to miss this and have all of my reads being from backreading off the word go.

I dont think there's much to his intro? Aside from slank cover. I've never played w him before so I dont fully know what to expect, which is why I gave my few little questions to try ease into things
Would you say he's GTH town or scum?
I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree
And what are you actually going to do with that agreement? Do you read me as scum or what?
I'll let you know when I've actually read more than the first handful of posts.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:14 pm Well, I finished VLR today and I haven't given this game enough time and the kids are all in bed so I supposed I should read and solve over here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
Feels townie.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
I don't think this line of questioning is fair this early in the game. Like heaven forbid we don't have a read on someone 30 posts into the game.

That said, I think it is the kinda post I would expect more from a townie than a wolf.

I'm fully aware that I earlier agreed with Scotty that this was a wolfy post. Don't care. Now it's a townie post.

That's the main thing I'm getting out of my page one. I think Leetic's interactions with most everybody are townie. He's trying to squeeze content out of people.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:19 pm [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:19 pm [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.
Although, the one weird thing about this votes is that it seems to be an attempt to absolve himself if things go wrong. "Don't blame me, blame my townreads!"
There's no absolution if LP goes over and is town. But it saves people the trouble of going "why do/did you suspect LP" when the answer is that I don't. I don't have any suspects yet, really.
This is what I mean by awareness. Jack anticipated criticism/questioning multiple times, like saying he voted LP because of his townreads and saying that he agreed with Scotty earlier but now disagrees. A lot of wanting to tell the thread he's catching up too, which is >rand wolf.

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 I had voted LP right before you did and you voiced that one of my posts was yucky, did it bother you at all that I was voting there?

What do you think of Jack joining LC on the pyxxy wagon at EoD?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:34 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:16 pm It is unlikely I will read anything
At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't
Mmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
But do you like town winning?
Sure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.
Do explain.
Explaining is boring

Your a wolf though

What is it about my "a wolf" again?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:29 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:34 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:16 pm It is unlikely I will read anything
At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't
Mmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
But do you like town winning?
Sure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.
Excellent. I can go to bed now that I'm done with work.

Didn't you vote for Dyslexicon? Why would you go with their replacement's "solve"?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:26 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:34 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:16 pm It is unlikely I will read anything
At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't
Mmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it
But do you like town winning?
Sure but I don't need to read for town to win. I've already solved the game.

Do explain.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:34 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:16 pm It is unlikely I will read anything
At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't
Mmmm I don't really like homework especially 3 pages of it

But do you like town winning?

Well, that's everyone that was super active at EoD and is still alive. Although, there are a couple of things that make me think twice before using EoD as too much of incriminating evidence:

* Wolves didn't need to go after LP or Scotty for them to go down, both weren't very active and neither defended themselves well, so they'd easily fall to town pressure
* All this assumes that wolves were actually there at EoD, when many players were not

Looking at EoD, I'm actually more interested in looking at those who weren't there, like Wilgy, NANOOK, Epi, etc., or those that dipped earlier like pyxxy. I do think Dyslexicon was onto something when they said all of the wolves weren't voting; I wouldn't say all of the wolves weren't active at EoD but it does seem likely that one or two wolves are among the slankers. It was an EoD where wolves didn't need to do anything and most players who were there did something.

Delta's EoD is also pretty meh. Not a whole lot of posts of substance from around that time, most being asking simple questions or just stating the composition of the wagons without much indication of preference to where they would land. Votes LP for an "abandon ship vibe" but didn't really move around their vote beforehand. No real thoughts on Scotty or pixxy were posted then either. It is another oddly static EoD and does feel a bit like they were watching the dynamics of the wagons mostly so they could make a "safe" move

Don't want to look too deeply at Dyslexicon's EoD as they're now subbed out and their replacement can't exactly answer to what Dizzy was thinking at certain points in the game, but looking back, they were hedging then later townreading Scotty, going after LP with some but not a terrible lot of conviction, and completely ignoring pixxy. It's meh, townier-looking than Thunal and they did try to jump Delta once with Scotty, although I think they were aware at that point that it wasn't much of a viable wagon. Still lean town on them, but only slightly right now.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:16 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:59 pm Also people weren't really accusing you of lurking? This is a weird response
All I can really do for my last post is point out that this is a Mafia.

I just said I don't have time to read through everything or even know what I'm being pushed on. And here you are trying to twist facts and say I have this knowledge.

This combined with all your posts I read early in the day being performative useless fluff. I don't think I have seen someone open wolfing this hard in a while and I hope a Vigilante exists and they can recognize this.
This is basically the wolfiest response imaginable. It's basically an admission of "Yeah, I'm outed, now let me just throw shit at the wall and leave"
This static read makes me paranoid of Leetic. It’s like everything LP does is wolfy and leetic keeps updating the wolfread for different reasons. Ime that’s >rand wolf behavior.

Despite Thunal's noncommittal read on LP they were by far the most static of LP's voters at EoD. That's probably the weirdest thing about Thunal's progression thus far.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pm
Spoiler: show
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 pm Let's take a closer look at Scotty's ISO because why not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:35 pm Slank cover

Like a can of beans spilt at a picnic onto the towel
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:27 pm

Gambler's fallacy
I agree with you

Which is probably a form of bandwagon fallacy
Agreement with me, although I'm not sure if he's insinuating that anything alignment indicative can be gleamed from that or if he's just agreeing that yes, it's a fallacy. Likely fluff

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
CA-CAW
Fluff.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine for getting ninja'd
ca-caw
Fluff. Admittedly in response to a fluff vote

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm

Do you have anything besides introductions? What's your read on Scotty?
Do you always come on this strong?

At least buy us a drink first
First (sort of) substantive post. A bit weird, since I wasn't even responding to Scotty here, I was responding to Delta. A weird interjection, and I'm not sure what he wants us to take away from this. A recurring theme, as you will see

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:50 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:39 pm Just for those who I haven't played with, a few questions just for me to get a rough idea of how each of you play \o/

Preferred alignment?
Do you tend to hyperpost or not too often?
Do you have experience playing with anyone else here?

Maybe silly to pose these for a casual game but helps me keep up so I'd appreciate people answering them
Oooh I like this route

Preferred alignment? I guess town. Usually like one step above vanilla, like a low grade info role. Including this one I think I am at 19 straight town rolls so I don’t even remember what it’s like to be bad

Yes, I post a lot but slank cover this game

I have a terrible memory- I’ve played with everyone but you I think. Yea, I think I played with leetic before but can’t remember the details.
Responses to Delta's questions, the double quoting likely being the result of a technical error. Not much of interest here, although they admit to slanking in this game

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm

The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
His most infamous post. Again, I'm not sure what he wants us to glean from this, and it feels like light shading. At least three other players (pixxy, LP, Jack) have quoted/referenced this to the same effect. Is he trying to attract attention by going after the highest poster, or?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:32 am Haven’t read since yesterday

Currently in the midst of packing and moving and I’m contemplating hiring someone to commit arson and burn down the place to collect insurance money because it’s all so stressful.
Fluff. Sorry you're going through that by the way

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:33 am I’m not voting for delta on day 1 because I don’t know them
Fluff, saying you're not going to vote for someone for a reason regardless of their potential alignment isn't exactly pushing the game forward.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:48 am

Who are you voting for? Do you have any thoughts on Delta beyond not knowing them?
Based on the two pages I’ve read, I think delta is acting more like a beta and is afraid to take a stance on me. The idk on a GTH on me is one of those
Now going after Delta. It is interesting that he has only been going after the more active players, although to be fair he may not even be paying attention to the lowposters.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:26 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

@Scotty whenever you're around, let's talk \o/

You mentioned not wanting to vote me since we haven't played together so this in return feels a little cruel :,) can you give me an idea of how you're reading people right now? We'll work from there \o/
hi, what is cruel praytell?

My philosophy is in my homesite, if I don’t know you I ain’t voting you in D1 unless there is exactly one wolf in the setup and I suspect you.

I do currently suspect you, btw
I don’t think there’s only one wolf pretending to be a bean
Fluff, and affirming suspicion of Delta (but won't vote, again seemingly doesn't want to push the game forward) Suspicion due to an "IDK" on a GTH, but not like Delta was the only player who acted like that

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:28 pm I don’t like Seanzie’s posts. They’re strong stances, like a 4th position in ballet.

But no one ever uses 4th position in practice

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Weird push, reason for pushing makes no sense, and again going after one of the more (at the time) active players.

I can see two conclusions from this:

1. Scotty is a townie who isn't really paying attention to the game and is mostly posting without thinking
2. They are a wolf that is trying to shade more active town players, potentially being able to prevent a towncore without having to put in too much effort

Both are believable at this point.
leetic, for all the passive aggressive shading I’ve been doing at you, I love this post.

I tend to lean the first, I know he’s in a lot of upheaval irl, but I won’t discount the second.

I’ve never seen bad Scotty so I won’t preclude him being an evil genius, but evil genius Scotty would be more surprising to me than distracted Scotty. I need to see more from him.
@leetic Do you mean 297? I didn’t write 197.

I read other people opinions, and reread him with a different lens.

I’m comfortable with it.
Why Scotty over LP, if you don't mind me askin'?
I feel more connection to a Scotty vote; other than making only one post I found the argument on LP a bit esoteric. They have enough votes without me, so I went with the one I personally feel connected with.

When I first saw Pyxxys post saying I could be expected to fill the role you are, I was like noooo I don’t have the energy. But your level of committment to trying to get people to vote for the person you most suspect definitely reminds me of me when I get a good iron in the fire.

I will try my best to pop in after my interview (from the parking lot) and if it looks like LP may be being saved I’ll sheep your LP vote.

The last sentence suggests that you may have shown up at EoD yesterday, did you and if so did you still feel confident in your Scotty vote? Why didn't you switch to LP if you had the chance?

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:13 pm Hoping Jack begins to play bc so I am disappointed thus far.

Disappointed with their activity level or their posts?

I hate mentioning SVS but she is quite quiet. Hoping the tone of her posts feels better.
"Feels better" how? Do you think their posts feel off and if so why?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:08 pm So two out of a max five PRs are accounted for. To get things started, [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine, you said you'd step up D2, now I'm holding you to your word
I definitely did not say that lol

If I have time I'll put stuff together tomorrow (real time) but I am explicitly not promising anything

Why no vote yesterday?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:08 pm So two out of a max five PRs are accounted for. To get things started, [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine, you said you'd step up D2, now I'm holding you to your word
I definitely did not say that lol

If I have time I'll put stuff together tomorrow (real time) but I am explicitly not promising anything

Lame

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:20 pm Long Con and Jack did try to make pyxxy happen. Given that LP/Scotty was t/t and thus a comfortable EoD for wolves I am willing to give town points to both for trying to start an alternative, which would have been unnecessary for wolves.

Besides that, we have Epi and Roxy on vanity wagons. The former didn't show for EoD, so there's little to be gleaned there. Roxy voted at almost the last minute, which does seem a little unnecessary as scum but I'm still not entirely sure what to make of it

Oh, and @pyxxy was on Wilgy (I'm too used to the polls being preserved as a screenshot, hence why I missed it). That does seem by far the strangest of the vanity wagons today, and pyxxy should definitely explain why they avoided the wagons. They were here 38 minutes before EoD, enough to know that it would definitely be a vanity wagon

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:16 pm It is unlikely I will read anything

At least read the last 2-3 pages of EoD. Since you didn't participate and can come in with the preknowledge that LP and Scotty were town, maybe you'll be able to glean something we can't

But again, we probably shouldn't be talking about whether Scotty was scummy, the best thing about the vigkill was that it freed town from having to go over this discussion

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:18 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:14 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm Something I kinda noticed from my own site since I had a few games earlier but more often than not wolves will kinda go 'youre either throwing or mafia for x' to soften the blow if they know town is going over?

so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?
It's much more common for wolves to not self-pres, LC in Assassin's Creed being an example off the top of my head. It seems that like LP, Scotty just misplayed however
maybe turbos are rotting my brain a little but i see a lack of self pres as towny more often than not since there's a lack of individual reason to stay alive? site diff maybe

scotty mentioned how he felt we gained more from his flip so i'd like to look into what exactly he meant by that yesterday & revisit the LP wagon

If you're town, your goal is to get rid of scum. If you're okay with town being lynched, it shows a lack of conviction to scumhunting. If you're town, you know you're town. Thus, saying you're okay with being lynched, especially over someone who (as town) you wouldn't know is town, is scummy. It's just nonoptimal play besides.

Though I guess whatever "information" Scotty was talking about should be available from his vigkill. Lynching for "information" is also a terrible idea though I am aware it is a common procedure on many sites

And of course, there's NANOOK and Wilgy who didn't vote at all. NANOOK really needs to show up like he said he would D2, while Wilgy is easily looking suspicious by POE

Long Con and Jack did try to make pyxxy happen. Given that LP/Scotty was t/t and thus a comfortable EoD for wolves I am willing to give town points to both for trying to start an alternative, which would have been unnecessary for wolves.

Besides that, we have Epi and Roxy on vanity wagons. The former didn't show for EoD, so there's little to be gleaned there. Roxy voted at almost the last minute, which does seem a little unnecessary as scum but I'm still not entirely sure what to make of it

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:09 pm Something I kinda noticed from my own site since I had a few games earlier but more often than not wolves will kinda go 'youre either throwing or mafia for x' to soften the blow if they know town is going over?

so maybe odd req but leetic do you have any other games where you've reacted like you did eod/sod?

It's much more common for wolves to not self-pres, LC in Assassin's Creed being an example off the top of my head. It seems that like LP, Scotty just misplayed however

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:08 pm I have a few thoughts on EOD but I'm tired so I'll return to them in the morning

@leetic what do you make of thunal's eod?

It looks quite meh in hindsight. They were hedging on LP quite a bit, though did post a TR of Scotty. Since we know both wagons were on town, it would've been a comfortable EoD for scum and Thunal's EoD does look a bit suspect in that regard. They did say they opposed a potential wagon on pyxxy, so that may be worth looking into.

So two out of a max five PRs are accounted for. To get things started, [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine, you said you'd step up D2, now I'm holding you to your word

Seanzie was a fairly consensus townread, so it makes sense they were shot. Scotty was almost certainly their kill, so I'm not considering an SK.

I'm really frustrated by LP. Literally all they had to do to save themselves was say "I'm the doctor"

At least Scotty is out of the way so we can focus somewhere better today

NANOOk, Wilgy, LP aren't voting

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:58 pm Went with my gut vote thunal

Nice vanity wagon there

Well, fingers crossed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:38 pm I guess if you think Scotty and LP are wolves together you could think it was AI but what are the odds.
Self-pres is something a townie should always do. If you're town, your goal is to lynch wolves, and getting lynched yourself runs completely against that. If Scotty wants to be lynched over someone they consider a "coinflip", what am I supposed to make of that? It's wolfy at best and gamethrowing at worst
Same for wolves though.

Wolves have a little less to lose though, as it means they can stop spewing

I hate letting it rand, and since they were basically asking for it with their OMGUS, why not [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

Hopefully the final time

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:49 pm If things stay static, I'll switch back to LP to limit the possibility of a tie

Was written before Seanzie revoted, for future reference

If things stay static, I'll switch back to LP to limit the possibility of a tie

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:19 pm

Although this entrance is a bit convenient. So you are paying attention enough to know it's 45 minutes to EoD but not enough to actually show up more
The easiest thing to do when logging into the thread is seeing when eod is.

Notice I’m not particularly trying to save myself. But I like receipts and voting for someone is a damn good receipt for following days
Why are you voting Seanzie? You said it was "strong stances", is there something I'm missing?

And if you're town, why aren't you trying to save yourself?
I think town learns more from my flip than LP.

I think LP is a terrible d1 pick.

Change my mind
I don't want to flip for "information", I want to be right. Why would you be okay with something you know is a mislynch?
I can’t possibly make a convincing argument to you, considering I KNOW I am town. I have more information in the matter.

If it were 4 votes for Lp and 3 votes for, say, you, I might have a better response.

You think LP is more ‘right’ than me? It’s a coin flip at best.

Come on. Be leet
Towny post.

How is lack of self-pres "towny"?

At least being fine with two wagons means I can switch my vote to avoid a potential tie

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:45 pm 3 vote wagon probably doesn't chop mafia but

I mean

Unless it's like Nook as wolf or someone else not here

LP didn't even vote. Is that wolfy? Kind of yes right?

Yes, it is wolfy, town should always self-pres. Though since Scotty was here for longer, he looks worse in that regard

The obsession with "let it rand" is one of the worst things about the mafia community imo

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:41 pm Should I vote Dizzy and make it a 5-way tie?

No

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:38 pm I guess if you think Scotty and LP are wolves together you could think it was AI but what are the odds.

Self-pres is something a townie should always do. If you're town, your goal is to lynch wolves, and getting lynched yourself runs completely against that. If Scotty wants to be lynched over someone they consider a "coinflip", what am I supposed to make of that? It's wolfy at best and gamethrowing at worst

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:37 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:16 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:59 pm Also people weren't really accusing you of lurking? This is a weird response
All I can really do for my last post is point out that this is a Mafia.

I just said I don't have time to read through everything or even know what I'm being pushed on. And here you are trying to twist facts and say I have this knowledge.

This combined with all your posts I read early in the day being performative useless fluff. I don't think I have seen someone open wolfing this hard in a while and I hope a Vigilante exists and they can recognize this.
This is basically the wolfiest response imaginable. It's basically an admission of "Yeah, I'm outed, now let me just throw shit at the wall and leave"
This static read makes me paranoid of Leetic. It’s like everything LP does is wolfy and leetic keeps updating the wolfread for different reasons. Ime that’s >rand wolf behavior.

I don't know, is it possible for a player to just be wolfy?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:34 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:31 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

You're not even trying to self-pres, and there is no reason for town to act like this. Sorry LP, you live another day.
blink blink

You tunneled LP for the last hour or so because of their reaction to you & suddenly their wagon dies off and you seem fine with it?

?_?
I honestly think LP/Scotty is w/w, hence why they didn't self-pres. Like seriously, Scotty's behavior would be gamethrowing if town
Like the wagons would be equal if I didn't move. The LP wagon isn't "dead"
Yeah but if I'm consistent in my reasoning for voting LP, I switch to Scotty here, and then the LP wagon is dead.

Honestly, take your pick at this point

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