The Syndicate

I'm almost tempted to treat NANOOK as pre-flipped. They're just that cornered at this point.

And if I'm not misclearing anyone from Ricochet pairings, then the Arbiters are in NANOOK, nutella, and Lemonfairy. nutella may be being squeezed out by PoE here, but I'll always prioritize NANOOK. It would also explain why NANOOK is so insistent at only looking in my thread for wolves.

There are only six remaining people on the other side (excluding Davos). If there are four wolves on each side, just shooting one of them at random would have a 50% chance of flipping wolf. I think NANOOK is the best shot though.

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:53 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:30 pm Assuming Ricochet was killed by the landlords, I doubt whoever doing so did so with the intent of shooting a wolf, as I don't think anyone expressed a strong wolfread of them as of late. I mean, it is possible they had mechanical evidence against Ricochet but never confronted them in-thread as they were afraid of crossfire, but that's pure speculation at this point. They may have been killed for their reads (or another standard reason like PR hunting, although I'm not sure how wolves would do this when claiming isn't allowed (again, discounting the possibility that they had mechanical evidence)) though unfortunately their D2 material is basically unreadable.
I do kinda think Rico was assumed to be town by landlords considering they were fairly townread, at least from what I remember?

And maybe a given since majority of wolves had come from our side at that point, but probably just reaffirms the idea that majority of the wolves sit in the other thread because if Rico was killed for being townread, it was probably under the assumption of 'this thread has much more town in the remaining numbers than ours did'

at least maybe? Like I said it's probably a given with the amount of flipped wolves from our thread vs the other but it's what came to mind regardless

I dont know if all wolves from ours are gone, unsure if there would be an even split? but eh
For balance, it's likely even or very close to even, as Severance was. There definitely isn't only one wolf in the other thread, that would be bastard as it would force town to either mislynch or lynch a (presumably non-hostile) ITP (unless there is a hostile ITP from that thread still at large).
I'm not suggesting a huge amount more on ours, maybe 1 more? Mainly just trying to factor in Cape being ITP from the other thread since in Severance, my thread had an extra player since I was ITP and then an even split for wolves. Here, threads were balanced, 1 puppet each side, and Cape just flipped ITP.

So I assume either we have one more mafia on our side or maybe a second third party? Just so things balanced out.

It's likely we have an ITP on our side. But right now, the wolves are the bigger threat (unless there's a cult, but in that case the game would probably be already over)

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:30 pm Assuming Ricochet was killed by the landlords, I doubt whoever doing so did so with the intent of shooting a wolf, as I don't think anyone expressed a strong wolfread of them as of late. I mean, it is possible they had mechanical evidence against Ricochet but never confronted them in-thread as they were afraid of crossfire, but that's pure speculation at this point. They may have been killed for their reads (or another standard reason like PR hunting, although I'm not sure how wolves would do this when claiming isn't allowed (again, discounting the possibility that they had mechanical evidence)) though unfortunately their D2 material is basically unreadable.
I do kinda think Rico was assumed to be town by landlords considering they were fairly townread, at least from what I remember?

And maybe a given since majority of wolves had come from our side at that point, but probably just reaffirms the idea that majority of the wolves sit in the other thread because if Rico was killed for being townread, it was probably under the assumption of 'this thread has much more town in the remaining numbers than ours did'

at least maybe? Like I said it's probably a given with the amount of flipped wolves from our thread vs the other but it's what came to mind regardless

I dont know if all wolves from ours are gone, unsure if there would be an even split? but eh

For balance, it's likely even or very close to even, as Severance was. There definitely isn't only one wolf in the other thread, that would be bastard as it would force town to either mislynch or lynch a (presumably non-hostile) ITP (unless there is a hostile ITP from that thread still at large).

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:32 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:26 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:18 pm Anyway, a bit of mechanical discussion. Scrappy clearly didn't have a lover aspect, so it is indeed possible that whoever controls Davos is already dead. I bring this up because, if Davos is a wolf, it's the only way I can see there being another wolf on my side to even the numbers (though that would still be unbalanced in my mind, as five minds are always more powerful than four, disregarding any powers they might have). Still, Brad is the only dead person who it could be without Davos being town (remember, Cape90's flip said they were the only person who could see both threads, so it can't be anyone from my side). Davos's behavior would not be unusual for Brad, as he was similarly unhelpful as a wolf when he was sent over to the other thread in Severance. Still though, I would not flip anyone from my side before flipping Davos, and I really thing there are more pertinent lynch targets than Davos (but vigs, do your thing!).
I actually think Scrappy and Davos could be secret anonymous players who aren't in the player list, maybe
It was a thought I had earlier
The OP says Scrappy is a "Puppet". Besides, I'd expect both of them (but especially Davos) to have done a lot more if they're really separate people who aren't otherwise playing the game.
Yeah I know, their player titles also say as much
I figured Davos at least was probably a player
But scrappy seemed quite active, so idk?

Their activity was mostly in short bursts. Still, there's a possibility that they're Caitlin (which was brought up by pyxxy interestingly enough), which would make some sense. Still, since they're dead no use on speculating on their identity.

At EoD, the Lemonfairy voters were NANOOK and Davos, though there were probably more when Rico made that comment. This is enough to convince me to [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:58 pm No more analysis. Bed & sleep.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The fact that they voted so late may suggest against a unified bussing strategy, as they may have hoped someone else would pick up traction

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:22 pm I have to close in an hour. Will try to finish a scan of the Darling wagoners.

Lemon wagoners probably not worth pursuing. And, in just two lines, there's nothing good looking left in there. I recall no serious push(es) from Nanook - just an instavote on sabi, due to lingering post-wolfflip, and then a tag vote right after Dizzy back and forth. Davos doesn't sound like making any trustworthy contribution all game and just plants votes. I trusted Scrappy more in West, I'd come back to whether Davos can be trusted, but not this phase, I suppose.

Chooses to basically ignore the Lemon wagon, interesting. I would not be surprised if there was at least one Arbiter among them

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Anyway, dumping the first batch.

Wagoners*

* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear

falcon

Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either

sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine

Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.

Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now

leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.

DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.

This list may be pure (from a "partnered with Ricochet" perspective, at least)? DM is flipped town, MR and WWA seem to be unaligned, Wilgy has a similar issue with WWA in that the entire team would have been committed to the bus, and the others are town/ITP from numbers. I don't know why the whole team would be insistent on sacrificing falcon when they avoided casualties D1 and D2 and the Seanzie kill (and possibly the Caitlin kill as well) seemed motivated to protect falcon? I don't know man

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:38 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply
So now we know the alignment of two of these people. I mean, if two of his partners were wagons, I guess it makes sense to put the townie in the middle? I still doubt it though

Although of course, the reason falcon is likely at the top is because they were in the same thread. Ricochet was likely testing the waters with the other two.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply

So now we know the alignment of two of these people. I mean, if two of his partners were wagons, I guess it makes sense to put the townie in the middle? I still doubt it though

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:27 am Haven’t caught up, starting later.

Can confirm Abigail’s was most pushy for pyxxy to be lynched, I think I called it the most “tar & feathered” treatment of suspecting pyxxy and pushing their lynch. One final post was in fact pleading to players to not drop off the wagon. This, more than rest, is the stuff that makes me doubt alignment, it would have been the only momentum for pyxxy to survive - unless Abigail is this bloodthirsty, busthirsty and disapproving of a teammate performance.

It's funny how both falcon and Ricochet look like they could have been aligned with Abby at a glance

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:26 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:18 pm Anyway, a bit of mechanical discussion. Scrappy clearly didn't have a lover aspect, so it is indeed possible that whoever controls Davos is already dead. I bring this up because, if Davos is a wolf, it's the only way I can see there being another wolf on my side to even the numbers (though that would still be unbalanced in my mind, as five minds are always more powerful than four, disregarding any powers they might have). Still, Brad is the only dead person who it could be without Davos being town (remember, Cape90's flip said they were the only person who could see both threads, so it can't be anyone from my side). Davos's behavior would not be unusual for Brad, as he was similarly unhelpful as a wolf when he was sent over to the other thread in Severance. Still though, I would not flip anyone from my side before flipping Davos, and I really thing there are more pertinent lynch targets than Davos (but vigs, do your thing!).
I actually think Scrappy and Davos could be secret anonymous players who aren't in the player list, maybe
It was a thought I had earlier

The OP says Scrappy is a "Puppet". Besides, I'd expect both of them (but especially Davos) to have done a lot more if they're really separate people who aren't otherwise playing the game.

Assuming Ricochet was killed by the landlords, I doubt whoever doing so did so with the intent of shooting a wolf, as I don't think anyone expressed a strong wolfread of them as of late. I mean, it is possible they had mechanical evidence against Ricochet but never confronted them in-thread as they were afraid of crossfire, but that's pure speculation at this point. They may have been killed for their reads (or another standard reason like PR hunting, although I'm not sure how wolves would do this when claiming isn't allowed (again, discounting the possibility that they had mechanical evidence)) though unfortunately their D2 material is basically unreadable.

So fourteen players left (counting Davos), and most likely one landlord and two arbiters? That isn't too dissimilar to Fire and Ice, so still a decent situation for town, notwithstanding any ITPs that can add chaos to the mix.

Anyway, a bit of mechanical discussion. Scrappy clearly didn't have a lover aspect, so it is indeed possible that whoever controls Davos is already dead. I bring this up because, if Davos is a wolf, it's the only way I can see there being another wolf on my side to even the numbers (though that would still be unbalanced in my mind, as five minds are always more powerful than four, disregarding any powers they might have). Still, Brad is the only dead person who it could be without Davos being town (remember, Cape90's flip said they were the only person who could see both threads, so it can't be anyone from my side). Davos's behavior would not be unusual for Brad, as he was similarly unhelpful as a wolf when he was sent over to the other thread in Severance. Still though, I would not flip anyone from my side before flipping Davos, and I really thing there are more pertinent lynch targets than Davos (but vigs, do your thing!).

I guess my argument that DM's votes from wolves clearly weren't bussing held up

Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:07 pm Both of you are wrong

As are you.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:01 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:32 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:30 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:34 am Weekend laze tis real and hit hard. I wanted nothing but study and sleep and cats and muvis tbh.

Hi ho.

Caught up to page 7 in the last hour. Gonna find another hour, later, to read the rest.
@Ricochet i know it's been a while since you last popped in, but when you catch up, I'd like to hear your take on the current wagons.
I'm curious what your thought process is, and tbh I keep forgetting you're in the game because I haven't seen anyone from West Facility mention having a read on you.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:41 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply
Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:43 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes
I suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too
Suspects falcon from N0

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:34 pm "Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason
It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.
I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.
Surprisingly has like fifty posts after without mentioning falcon, but does vote them when their wagon is starting to pick up momentum. No stated reason beyond vague "don't think falcon's doing himself any favors" and presumed continuity with N0 read

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
didn't Abbi change her mind?
Finally, some significant Abby interactions! Speaks on Abby's behalf here while refuting part of a falcon defense

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:06 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:33 pm Has nobody stopped to consider that scum falcon killing players who SR him is about as subtle as a brick?

Fur reelz, I have way more panache than that
Ugh I hate that I town read this

Unvote
If it's multiball, then the kill may not have come from him.

To be fair, if it's multiball, then Caitlin dying early to nightkill doesn't clear you either.
I've seen wolf!Abbi kill town!Caitlin on N1 in a game before so I'd never clear her off of that
I think Abbi's been ok so far, though, and judging by what I've heard from her progression in the West Facility, she's probably town
Says they would "never clear" Abby based off the nightkill, still I think Abby was more depending on the bus. Otherwise townreads Abby

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:41 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply
Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.
Asks falcon to respond to one of Ricochet's arguments. Otherwise, stays parked on falcon
oh yeah, falcon never replied to me there lmao
so i was happy to keep a vote on him if he wasn't going to counterargue with anything except that he was "towning his ass off" which he wasn't
I think I'll stop here. Yeah, unless Ricochet and WWA had this coordinated bussing effort on falcon, they're not partners.

Especially as WWA was if anything harder on falcon than Ricochet was, and had more of an excuse to join the other wagons since they could have followed the "only vote someone from the same thread" idea. I don't think a partner only interprets their partner's posts in a way that looks bad for another partner, even if they are willing to bus they want to leave it slightly open; I don't think falcon's lynch was assured at that point.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:01 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:59 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:51 pm

Bad take, try again
Good take, wolves always need to second-guess themselves on how their reads on their partners look
Does it look like I worried in the slightest about how that read looked?
Hedging always makes you look worried about how your read will look in the long term
No
Sí
simply false lmao git gud

Es cierto. Mejora.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:32 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:30 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:34 am Weekend laze tis real and hit hard. I wanted nothing but study and sleep and cats and muvis tbh.

Hi ho.

Caught up to page 7 in the last hour. Gonna find another hour, later, to read the rest.
@Ricochet i know it's been a while since you last popped in, but when you catch up, I'd like to hear your take on the current wagons.
I'm curious what your thought process is, and tbh I keep forgetting you're in the game because I haven't seen anyone from West Facility mention having a read on you.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:41 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply
Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:43 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes
I suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too
Suspects falcon from N0

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:34 pm "Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason
It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.
I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.
Surprisingly has like fifty posts after without mentioning falcon, but does vote them when their wagon is starting to pick up momentum. No stated reason beyond vague "don't think falcon's doing himself any favors" and presumed continuity with N0 read

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
didn't Abbi change her mind?
Finally, some significant Abby interactions! Speaks on Abby's behalf here while refuting part of a falcon defense

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:06 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:33 pm Has nobody stopped to consider that scum falcon killing players who SR him is about as subtle as a brick?

Fur reelz, I have way more panache than that
Ugh I hate that I town read this

Unvote
If it's multiball, then the kill may not have come from him.

To be fair, if it's multiball, then Caitlin dying early to nightkill doesn't clear you either.
I've seen wolf!Abbi kill town!Caitlin on N1 in a game before so I'd never clear her off of that
I think Abbi's been ok so far, though, and judging by what I've heard from her progression in the West Facility, she's probably town
Says they would "never clear" Abby based off the nightkill, still I think Abby was more depending on the bus. Otherwise townreads Abby

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:41 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply
Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.
Asks falcon to respond to one of Ricochet's arguments. Otherwise, stays parked on falcon
oh yeah, falcon never replied to me there lmao
so i was happy to keep a vote on him if he wasn't going to counterargue with anything except that he was "towning his ass off" which he wasn't

I think I'll stop here. Yeah, unless Ricochet and WWA had this coordinated bussing effort on falcon, they're not partners.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:59 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:51 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:49 pm In fact, the weird hedging on the read looks worse than the people who outright read Ricochet town.
Bad take, try again
Good take, wolves always need to second-guess themselves on how their reads on their partners look
Does it look like I worried in the slightest about how that read looked?
Hedging always makes you look worried about how your read will look in the long term
No

Sí

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:58 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:37 am I think there's a chance Nanook is town but it's for stupid raisins.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:24 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:37 am I think there's a chance Nanook is town but it's for stupid raisins.
I have reason to believe otherwise
I am begging you both to elaborate
What are your thoughts on NANOOK's vote on you?
It looked like it lasted about 30 seconds so idc, could make sense of it from any alignment

He's still on you lol

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:51 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:49 pm In fact, the weird hedging on the read looks worse than the people who outright read Ricochet town.
Bad take, try again
Good take, wolves always need to second-guess themselves on how their reads on their partners look
Does it look like I worried in the slightest about how that read looked?

Hedging always makes you look worried about how your read will look in the long term

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:37 am I think there's a chance Nanook is town but it's for stupid raisins.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:24 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:37 am I think there's a chance Nanook is town but it's for stupid raisins.
I have reason to believe otherwise
I am begging you both to elaborate

What are your thoughts on NANOOK's vote on you?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:51 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:49 pm In fact, the weird hedging on the read looks worse than the people who outright read Ricochet town.
Bad take, try again

Good take, wolves always need to second-guess themselves on how their reads on their partners look

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag
For context, Falc and I go way back, so not entirely info-less in terms of what I'd expect from him. I didn't articulate it because sometimes wordless pressure is the best pressure, but basically I was trusting others who were iffy on Falc from the West thread (and hadn't seen anything from Falc that would lead me to dispute their views). And I was playing with wagons a bit (I think I made it 4 vs Lemon's 5). His reaction to my vote made me actually suspicious of him, though.

This is at least a slightly good look. I doubt a wolf asks their partner to clarify their read on another partner.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:45 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:08 pm All the recent votes irk me to degree.

Radishes dropped off falcon for, what, giving him breathing space?
Sloonei is full sheeping (on Epig yet again).
Yes to give him breathing space and also I do have some doubts now.

Another interaction that would be slightly unusual for partners, looks like Ricochet is trying to subtly nudge people off their partner and set up alternative targets.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:19 pm Earlier I thought about faking being haiku restricted again, decided that'd be no fun, and considered faking being emoji restricted just for funsies.

Looks like I might be a prophet...for Rico.

The rest of their interactions are this meaningless fluff, so eh.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:17 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:11 pm As for Monroe, I was gonna ask what the Lime connections might be, but nutella just covered it.

nutella, what are you seeing in just four bitter posts?
see my earlier
point about the delta thing
really unexplained

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:22 pm nutella, why is Sloonei not mafia?
His posts.

Lots of genuine perspective and progression fmpov.
Is Rico wrong or mafia then?
I don't have a well-formed read on Rico tbh. Lean town?

nutella has barely anything on Ricochet. In fact, the weird hedging on the read looks worse than the people who outright read Ricochet town.

DM has absolutely nothing. A bit strange that someone with a much higher postcount has the exact same number of Ricochet interactions as Davos.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

Again, has Ricochet as towny. This is the only mention of them pre-flip.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:04 pm Nook, MR, Delta I think are good votes.

Lemon probably helps us resolve Nook, so I could vote there, but I'd rather just vote Nook.

MR I'm still most comfortable with voting.

Delta as an option last cycle felt correct and that feeling hasn't changed. This is just gut.

Cape's fine, but I'm starting to question if the wagon is just 'this is fine I guess.'

DM, Epi, Nut, Rico, Sig, WWA all are towny. Maybe I could put Leetic and Sloonei on that list as well, but perhaps get a towny borderline placement.

if you weren't mentioned, it's because my brain is empty and I have no thoughts.

Put Rico in a list of "towny" players. Otherwise, nothing really of note.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:14 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:46 am Porscha

6
29%

Voters: ‪sig, leetic, Ricochet, Seanzie, Epignosis, TonyStarkPrime‬
All of these plus sabi is my current poe

NANOOK's only contribution of note is looking at the Porscha wagon. I'm sorry, but one out of six (or seven!) doesn't count for shit.

Alright, another wolf flip, another time to look at interactions. Davos, as expected, has nothing.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:50 pm SONG #1:

@S~V~S @Scotty

I'll guess Apathy Mafia

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:51 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:41 pm also i get no cred bc i never said anything but i totally had a feeling cape was behind scrappy

somehow didn't expect the 3p flip but it makes sense in retrospect that he was basically actually solving at the end ah well
Scrappy was apparently town, so it couldn't be related to the ITP Cape90. It's likely to be someone from my side that's still alive. That, or it really was Caitlin.
I mean why'd he die then? Cape had secrets maybe he could control an account that counted for town numbers for some reason idk we don't know his win con

Or I assumed wrong but

It died because of digging the wrong hole, I believe.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:09 pm Bleh whatever voting nut is dumb

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

I'm pretty sure there's one in lemon/leetic

And the porscha voters

I don't super think nutella is town but that's not a today probably

Other than that idk
Four wolves have flipped on my side, as opposed to only one on yours. Why are you so obsessed with the Porscha wagon at the expense of actually hunting for wolves?
Idk how much clearer I can make it that I absolutely do not care about that or think it matters lol

Yeah, I guess I wouldn't want to bus my teammates if I was in your position.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:41 pm also i get no cred bc i never said anything but i totally had a feeling cape was behind scrappy

somehow didn't expect the 3p flip but it makes sense in retrospect that he was basically actually solving at the end ah well

Scrappy was apparently town, so it couldn't be related to the ITP Cape90. It's likely to be someone from my side that's still alive. That, or it really was Caitlin.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:09 pm Bleh whatever voting nut is dumb

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

I'm pretty sure there's one in lemon/leetic

And the porscha voters

I don't super think nutella is town but that's not a today probably

Other than that idk

Four wolves have flipped on my side, as opposed to only one on yours. Why are you so obsessed with the Porscha wagon at the expense of actually hunting for wolves?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:04 pm [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

New tunnel engaged

OMGUS?

So it's likely that every wolf on my side is dead? We still may have ITPs to deal with, but the remaining wolves should be the priority for now

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:59 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:40 pm @leetic

I get my POE was narrow, honestly was still kinda holding out for no multiball so ;_;

I need to look over who I think doesnt work as either faction & I'll adjust from there, but do still think Sig could be a wolf from our side

[VOTE: SIG] aubergine
Do you think sig is falcon's partner, or do you think there are three landlords on our side? I don't think falcon's partner would bring up that the nightkills looked bad for them, but maybe that's just me
Rereading over how Sig posted in the split thread about Falcon, I kinda do think they could be paired?

There's a lot of mention of Falcon being in wolf meta, but very little initiative to do much past that. So while he does bring up Falcon a fair bit, he never makes a move to try elim Falcon which is what stands out to me here as potentially partnered. Creates distance but never puts Falcon at risk, especially when others in our thread were talking about Falcon seeming wolfy a fair bit

I believe they were voting falcon for much of D2? The wagon didn't seem to really catch on though

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:39 pm I know who all the wolves are

So you're an arbiter with a red check on the remaining landlord?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:37 pm I’m not slanking

Yet your ISO is almost as shallow as a slanker.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:28 pm [VOTE: cape] aubergine

This is a pure sheep vote. I trust the work that has been done which points to Cape as a suspect.
Sloonei make a vote based on their own thoughts challenge (impossible)
Sometimes this is the most effective way to play.

You do realize you can only do this because others have posted their own thoughts? It's basically acting blendy at best and like a vampire at worst

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:32 pm Dizzy, leetic, epi, lemon, tsp?, [remaining porscha voters whomever they are]

Kill that group and win the game most of the time I think
Why is the list mostly people from my side when the unflipped wolves are mostly from your side?
I'm not assuming even distribution

I think you're just locked in a too narrow PoE.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:33 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:30 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:25 pm Yeah, I'm completely fine with [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine. They've done basically jack shit this phase and it feels like a lack of motivation after their partner went down. Plus, this looks a lot like their Beans "performance".
I haven't done much any day, what makes this one different besides that it fits a narrative?
"I was wolfy in a previous phase, why does it matter that I am wolfy today?"
Lulz

"Feels like a pack of motivation after their partner goes down" directly implies I had more motivation before that

So

You had like five posts total this phase when I posted that, you definitely had more last phase

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:32 pm Dizzy, leetic, epi, lemon, tsp?, [remaining porscha voters whomever they are]

Kill that group and win the game most of the time I think

Why is the list mostly people from my side when the unflipped wolves are mostly from your side?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:28 pm [VOTE: cape] aubergine

This is a pure sheep vote. I trust the work that has been done which points to Cape as a suspect.

Sloonei make a vote based on their own thoughts challenge (impossible)

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