The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:25 pm Yeah, I'm completely fine with [VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine. They've done basically jack shit this phase and it feels like a lack of motivation after their partner went down. Plus, this looks a lot like their Beans "performance".

I haven't done much any day, what makes this one different besides that it fits a narrative?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:55 am In fact (still talking about what I said just now) what strikes me as potentially more suspicious is someone who was very certain on Falcon. Like Wilgy. Or [insert another name I dunno I haven't read isos very closely.]

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:52 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:48 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:45 am Anyway, I don't like how Epi used the "why can't we all just have fun" card to blatantly dodge a question. Some townies do that when they are frustrated, but Epi did not feel genuinely frustrated here.

Oh ffs. Why should I be frustrated?

I'm not frustrated because this is a game on the Internet.

It does not pay my bills.

It does not support my kids.

It's a diversion that I give the least amount of my thought to at the end of the day.

And when did I ask you? This feels like more of a smokescreen than a genuine thought

So I need you to ask me a direct question?

What about my response is not genuine?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:48 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:45 am Anyway, I don't like how Epi used the "why can't we all just have fun" card to blatantly dodge a question. Some townies do that when they are frustrated, but Epi did not feel genuinely frustrated here.

Oh ffs. Why should I be frustrated?

I'm not frustrated because this is a game on the Internet.

It does not pay my bills.

It does not support my kids.

It's a diversion that I give the least amount of my thought to at the end of the day.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:48 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:45 am Anyway, I don't like how Epi used the "why can't we all just have fun" card to blatantly dodge a question. Some townies do that when they are frustrated, but Epi did not feel genuinely frustrated here.

Oh ffs. Why should I be frustrated?

I'm not frustrated because this is a game on the Internet.

It does not pay my bills.

It does not support my kids.

It's a diversion that I give the least amount of my thought to at the end of the day.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:45 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:41 am Hey wait a minute...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

I deliberately defended Falcon.

You did as well, and you cited me as a reason to vote DarlingMonroe.

Then you went after me. Why?

No I didn't.

In fairness, your D3 posts on falcon never really committed to a hard stance against them

This is true. But I did not defend him. I've lacked hard stances across the board this game. That's just a nature of the way I am approaching things and the amount of time I've been able to commit to the game. In my head I was always more suspicious of falcon than not. I was by no means sure that he would flip mafia, but he was a player I would have been comfortable voting for.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:41 am Hey wait a minute...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

I deliberately defended Falcon.

You did as well, and you cited me as a reason to vote DarlingMonroe.

Then you went after me. Why?

No I didn't.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:34 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

I deliberately defended Falcon.

Why?

Oops.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:28 am I am slamming my fists on the table telling people that Sloonei is not a civilian.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

I deliberately defended Falcon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:30 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:26 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:24 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:23 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:37 pm

I'm definitely not a Landlord.
I'm definitely not an Arbiter of the Rose Empire.

I mean, some of your falcon interactions weren't the greatest. Why did you mostly ignore them D1 and D2? What was the point of your whole D3 defense of them, as you insisted it wasn't to save them?

My take on falcon was shite.

Not the greatest. Shite.

I know it's garbage but why did you feel the need to post that garbage?

Because I'd rather have fun than worry about what people think about me in a game on the Internet.

But that's just dodging the question. If posting defenses of random people you allegedly don't care about is "fun", you do you I guess, but there was clearly a motivation there.

I'll let you assign a motive to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:26 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:24 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:23 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:36 pm @ the people who have been doing the Good Work sifting through ISOs today:

Which players are definitely not Landlords?
Which players are definitely not Arbiters of the Rose Empire?

I'm definitely not a Landlord.
I'm definitely not an Arbiter of the Rose Empire.

I mean, some of your falcon interactions weren't the greatest. Why did you mostly ignore them D1 and D2? What was the point of your whole D3 defense of them, as you insisted it wasn't to save them?

My take on falcon was shite.

Not the greatest. Shite.

I know it's garbage but why did you feel the need to post that garbage?

Because I'd rather have fun than worry about what people think about me in a game on the Internet.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:23 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:36 pm @ the people who have been doing the Good Work sifting through ISOs today:

Which players are definitely not Landlords?
Which players are definitely not Arbiters of the Rose Empire?

I'm definitely not a Landlord.
I'm definitely not an Arbiter of the Rose Empire.

I mean, some of your falcon interactions weren't the greatest. Why did you mostly ignore them D1 and D2? What was the point of your whole D3 defense of them, as you insisted it wasn't to save them?

My take on falcon was shite.

Not the greatest. Shite.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:36 pm @ the people who have been doing the Good Work sifting through ISOs today:

Which players are definitely not Landlords?
Which players are definitely not Arbiters of the Rose Empire?

I'm definitely not a Landlord.
I'm definitely not an Arbiter of the Rose Empire.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:36 pm @ the people who have been doing the Good Work sifting through ISOs today:

Which players are definitely not Landlords?
Which players are definitely not Arbiters of the Rose Empire?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:48 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:58 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:37 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:42 pm There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Another salad, in case it matters

do you think he could've rule-of-three'd a partner somewhere, or is he too good for that/named too many players for it to matter?

Considering one flipped town, one is a sock account I know barely anything about, and I don't really think sig is falcon's partner, I doubt that specific example is too meaningful

oh i didn't mean specifically that list lol
but I concluded anyway that falcon was kinda just throwing around names and probably was in antispew since he knew he had pressure on him

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:50 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:27 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:53 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:44 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:39 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 pm Lemon I think has been lurking quite a lot.

I've not lurked, I've been absent

because I was busy

Fair
Have any of your reads changed since the falcon flip?

haven't sorted them yet but I like Epi's case posts

ig leetic's were not bad either

Ok, thanks for sharing.
Do you have any thoughts as to whether someone on falcon's team bussed him or if his partners stayed off of his wagon?

with so many people on him, yeah, they probably bussed

I mean, if he was going to go over anyway, why not get the cred?

even though there were two other wagons as options (DMs and yours), and at that point none of falcon's team had flipped yet?
or do you mean more of a late bus when it seemed like he was almost definitely going over?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:40 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:53 pm I will join falcon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:25 pm we shouldn't kill falcon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:19 pm I’ll vote to save falcon when it comes to it

TSP was hard defending falcon all day. I think I've already pointed out how questionable the third post is.

Yeah and I stand by it, falcon was town

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:40 pm @leetic

I get my POE was narrow, honestly was still kinda holding out for no multiball so ;_;

I need to look over who I think doesnt work as either faction & I'll adjust from there, but do still think Sig could be a wolf from our side

[VOTE: SIG] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:37 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:42 pm There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Another salad, in case it matters

do you think he could've rule-of-three'd a partner somewhere, or is he too good for that/named too many players for it to matter?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:08 pm @DarlingMonroe Can you talk to me about your reads plz?







You put Epi down as EZ Wolf, dropped a vote on my wagon, but I've not seen a single thing from you about why either of us are scum

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:42 pm There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die






DM moving onto my wagon feels super gross, cuz it feels more like she's just trying to widen the gap between her wagon I, rather than actually vote for who she thinks is Maf







But I was at 6 to her 3, it feels like an overreaction. Noted she's ignored my questions that I specifically tagged her in re: her Epi read

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:41 pm There's min 2 wolves on my wagon IMO, and it's between leetic/sig & MR/Abi







Apologies if you're all town, but I highly doubt it

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:04 pm Of the voters on my wagon, Abi & MR look the most opportunistic









[VOTE: freon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:06 pm @Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:10 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:07 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:03 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:56 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:51 am How about this?

Among those who have 10 or more posts in this thread right now, whom do you suspect the most?

I say Sloonei.

huh, why sloonei? he
seems pretty solid to me
is there more context?

mine would probably
be leetic out of the list.
but would not vote there

I've found Sloonei to be more reactive than proactive. I'm used to good Sloondog digging in and asking questions.

Moreover, Sloonei kept going on about falcon but has moved on from exploring that here.

Before that, Sloonei voted falcon to give pyxxy space (but did vote pyxxy eventually).

falcon hasn't posted in this thread yet, though?

I don't see the relevance.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:45 pm I missed the entire second half of Day 2, but during the first half of the phase Epi put forward a decent argument for Delta to be teamed with pyxxy (and I guess Lime Coke).

I have a vague and not-well-defined suspicion of Falcon.

Now that we're all in the same room, should we compare notes about whether or not this game might be multiball?

This is what I'm talking about. Why not ask falcon questions? Why not mention falcon? Why not summon his winged ass in here?

The vote on falcon was lukewarm and devoid of substance in the other thread. Sloonei seems content to leave it so. Instead of exploring that, "Hey guys, let's talk about multiball."

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pm My present take on falcon:

falcon is not literally towning his ass off.

Again, that would be fun to witness. I can't even imagine what that would look like for anybody.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

I'm unlikely to vote there today. falcon should put on his leather pants and start going after mafia though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pmInstead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pmInstead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:26 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?

It's third-rate play, I agree, but I am just not understanding why it's alignment-indicative toward town.

Am I supposed to just agree with you that falcon is mafia?

Shit, you've got sig leading the charge there. Probably the first time he's been ON a Day 3 lynch instead of being one.

I do not trust Master Radishes.

Everybody else is fine except Wilgy. Just don't know much there.

Are you comfortable with this lynch?

And I'll be clear on this: I'm not voting to save falcon. If he goes, he goes.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:27 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:21 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:18 pm I was just about to do my town core post and...I find myself struggling for town core reads

Falcons dropped out of my old list and only WWA has really joined it

Why did falcon drop off?

Caitlin + doing nothing yesterday after Caitlin his main pusher died but mostly Caitlin

The main reason I cooled off on falcon was your insistence that you are the ultimate falcon reader, and that you say he's definitely town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:34 pm "Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason

It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:40 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:35 pm Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

We're going to get along just fine. These are guys I can handle voting for: leetic, falcon, TSP. I was vibing with the Lemonfairy votes earlier, but I didn't feel my vote was necessary at the time - I thought it ballooned up a little bigger than needed, actually. Lemon was already seeming a little cautious and probably two or three votes would have been enough to get her talking. Five was like "we are seriously killing you now" vibes.

sig is my most personal scumread, and historically they're mostly wrong, so I'm going to cool off on it. If he becomes a wagon, I'll almost certainly join it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:19 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pmInstead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:45 pm I missed the entire second half of Day 2, but during the first half of the phase Epi put forward a decent argument for Delta to be teamed with pyxxy (and I guess Lime Coke).

I have a vague and not-well-defined suspicion of Falcon.

Now that we're all in the same room, should we compare notes about whether or not this game might be multiball?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:10 am The last game I played with Falcon, he was very aggressive right off the bat. He was picking fights and twisting words in a way that looked like he was trying to generate reads by putting pressure on everyone and everything. Others suspected him for it, but I defended him, saying he looked like a version of town falcon I'd seen before. Eventually his contributions dropped off, and he flipped mafia.

He looked very similar on Day 1 in the other thread. I do not feel like I have seen his reads progress in a meaningful way since then.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:13 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:10 am This is what I'm talking about. Why not ask falcon questions? Why not mention falcon? Why not summon his winged ass in here?

I feel no urgency to do these things right now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:22 am To be clear (and I did not make this clear before, so this is on me), but I would bet money there's two teams (plus some independents). Put my money down with LC and let it ride.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:10 am The last game I played with Falcon, he was very aggressive right off the bat. He was picking fights and twisting words in a way that looked like he was trying to generate reads by putting pressure on everyone and everything. Others suspected him for it, but I defended him, saying he looked like a version of town falcon I'd seen before. Eventually his contributions dropped off, and he flipped mafia.

He looked very similar on Day 1 in the other thread. I do not feel like I have seen his reads progress in a meaningful way since then.

Ya know, I'm only an @ away





Do you feel my reads not progressing the way you feel they should, vs my posting & contributions disappearing, are the same thing?

I have no questions or things for you to address. As I said to Epi last night, I’m content to let you continue doing what you do. My read will progress one way or another on its own.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:41 pm There's min 2 wolves on my wagon IMO, and it's between leetic/sig & MR/Abi

Apologies if you're all town, but I highly doubt it

We have nearly 24 hours remaining in the day and you are not singularly in the lead in the poll. If you are town, I feel like you are getting bogged down by your defensive reflexes right now. It is understandable to want to combat people for suspecting you, and it is definitely good to put some energy into that.

But if you really want to relinquish your ass through town efforts, I’m going to need to see other things from you. Let’s talk about players that are not voting for you. And/or, let’s talk about players from the other facility. What impressions do you have of out eastside companions so far?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Anyway, dumping the first batch.

Wagoners*

* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear

falcon

Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either

sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine

Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.

Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now

leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.

DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:58 pm No more analysis. Bed & sleep.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:29 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:23 pm Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

Maybe Abby's team thought they were paired with falcon?

i suppose, but I don't really think both teams killed at the same time. seems more likely a vig or a serial killer because of the uneven number of kills each night

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:53 pm I will join falcon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:25 pm we shouldn't kill falcon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:19 pm I’ll vote to save falcon when it comes to it

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:27 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:48 am

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:39 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:06 am I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh


That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...

What got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?

I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?

\o/

I read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lol

ah, got it

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:23 pm Anyway, assuming Abby was killed by the other team, it may have been done because they thought Abby was a wolf, but the main reason to wolfread Abby going into N3 was that they looked paired with falcon so I'm not sure why they would have given up a red herring like that. There's likely another reason.

maybe she pushed on one of falcon's teammates?
what about the sabi kill, though? any thoughts there?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:26 pm Scrappy has no falcon interactions in this thread. They did disagree with Abby on a couple reads, but that's it. Notably this is the second time that they posed themselves as suspecting a flipped wolf but didn't end on their wagon for some reason, granted those were on separate teams.

what's scrappy's voting history look like?

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:54 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:21 pm So Seanzie was mostly tunneling Porscha D2 but he also suspected falcon and Sig.

I'd agree with this, but I'd add his main/only reason to suspect me was that someone in the other thread suspected me.

I'm solid on Falcon for today I think he's well within his mafia meta and we've now had both NK on our side be someone who suspected Falcon. This fits within his mafia meta 100% and lets be real he isn't a big enough town threat that mafia would set him up. (No offense Falcon )

Also having playing with him recently as mafia he's got that same feel. He's active, but very under the radar. [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:19 pm does 8 wolves with 30 players make sense in this format?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:41 am Mafiers don't always treat all of their teammates exactly the same. It would be strange and counterproductive if they did.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:36 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:26 am [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

Do you think they're falcon's teammate or Abby's?

I haven't looked into it. If I have to guess, I'd say they're a landlord.

I still believe in Epi's belief that Monroe is mafia.

If Epi is mafia, he is teamed with falcon.

If Epi is then also correct about Monroe, they are not on the same team.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:26 am [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:20 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:14 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:10 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:59 pm Legacy Abi is a wolf

this is likely not teamed with Abigail

We kind of knew that anyway

well, it's news to me

though i do recall TSP saying they would vote to save falcon