The Syndicate

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:15 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:43 pm of our thread, I feel most confident in LC/Abbi/Sloonei/Ricochet town, Epi/Leetic/TSP to a slightly lesser extent. Leaves question marks around Falcon/Sig. if there's town in either would go back and look at those I'm not as confident.

From the other side of the thread, I think WWA/DrWilgy/MR/Nutella have all seemed fine to me, nothing sure due to being first day back w both threads but that's my gut read for the opposing thread. Off of pure gut read I dont really think DM's reactions today feel wolfy, more in line with what I've skimmed from town games, but without seeing other thread there's only so much I can say on that. The rest have kinda just been white noise, Cape slight town ping but nothing huge.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'm more comfortable voting within my facility today, as I mentioned earlier, so \o/
glgl o/
this is pretty surface too

I guess my big problem with that post is that it is an example of a PoE so narrow that you can't fit enough wolves in it (on my side anyway). @Delta I'd like to see how the flips have changed your PoE.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:59 pm Legacy Abi is a wolf
this is likely not teamed with Abigail

We kind of knew that anyway

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:05 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:03 am Cape likes aubergines huh
sorry i might come off harsh when i am being pushed LOL, sometimes i be like that, apologies for that if i made users feel bad

This feels like an oddly suck-upy response to someone who was likely just poking fun at the formatting

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:03 am [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Yeah town I think DM is just wolf here. She leverage pushed Epi when Sloonei was pushing for that then dipped

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:18 pm [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.
Bold. Back it up!
Epi historically dislikes and avoid bussing. Epi had a wonky argument that he used to defend falcon throughout the fay yesterday.
also this

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:08 pm going to falcon bc i dont feel safe with so many votes on me

im going to work so i wont be online for eod

love yall

[VOTE: vote:falcon ] aubergine really hope its mafia
reads like DM was more focused on defending herself then actually solving in the wagons

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:01 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:57 pm [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.
what association between me and brad? what are you talking about?

so why vote me over falcon or anyone else?

i really dont know how to interact with you in this game
(PS DarlingMonroe, the connection is that you were on Brad's town read list, remember? the thing you also used to try to push other people like DrWilgy?)

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:03 pm @Epignosis still cant explain your vote on me? tell how this is a game decision? id rather you just say that you dont like me and thats it, instead of fabricating lies and theories about how i must be wolf

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:04 pm like all these votes on me based off players ive had like 0 interaction dont seem like town behavior at all
But anyways, my theory is backed up by these posts

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:30 pm I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians
Again, not solving falcon

Fixed the formatting for you

I'll probably finish the D3 falcon interactions of people on my side tomorrow. I feel we should prioritize the people on the other side anyway.

Epi:

- Said falcon was town when prodded by Sloonei
- Pointed out that falcon said nothing about pyxxy, then said they would rather vote Delta and falcon

Wow, that's little for the third-highest poster in the thread (after me and Abby). I'm starting to see where some of this suspicion comes from.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:40 am Anyway, I have finally started watching Severance thanks to @JaggedJimmyJay so I'mma go back to that and then sleep

Currently my thought is DarlingMonroe fits as last landlord and Cape/maayybe Lemon/prob one of TSP or Delta for the Rose Clan or whatever.

Given Abby's hard bus on pyxxy, I doubt they would vote a partner with such weakness as they voted DM.

LC:

- Has a few fluffy/slightly pushy interactions with falcon early D1
- Goes after Seanzie for the latter's case on falcon
- Debunks the "slip" falcon "caught"
- Continues to go after Seanzie for their falcon case
- Later says falcon could be a wolf after looking at their ISO
- Has falcon second-to-last after Delta on their D2 reads list
- Justified their last-minute pyxxy vote by saying they didn't want to be on a wagon with falcon and were considering switching to falcon but didn't because Abby had them as town

Sloonei:

- Has a few fluffy/hedgy interactions with falcon early in D1
- Votes falcon briefly D1, allegedly to give pyxxy breathing room.
- D2 says that falcon is a wolf, but not paired with pyxxy.
- Last post is a vote on pyxxy, which would turn out to be a vanity wagon (though sig may have been on falcon at the time, I'm not sure)

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:25 am There's a small point about Cape I haven't brought up in this thread yet because it was slightly silly but now I'm tempted to believe it again. "Scumslips" are usually a trap but hear me out.

On D1 of the east thread, Guillo had thought he'd caught a slip (classic guillo) when Cape referred to the West thread. Guillo had not realized that the West facility being called that was public info from the host post about secret santa. However, Cape did not point to the host post and go "it says right there it's the West facility" but instead he went "I just assumed it would make sense for it to be east and west" -- which, in fairness, completely makes sense of course, but he had casually referred to it like he knew for sure. The fact that he gave this explanation instead of citing that it was already public knowledge made me wonder if he had been exposed to the name by other means, ie scum chat.

It feels silly again as I'm typing it out but I think he fits pretty well as a falcon teammate anyway as epi laid out

It's worth noting that in the West thread, falcon called out a similar "slip" from sig. Sloonei said it was reasonable to assume the other thread was East, while LC pointed out that it was host-confirmed information.

TSP:

- Reads falcon as town.
- Later agrees with my statement of being suspicious of the voters on the sig wagon, which would include falcon (and themselves lol)

Delta:

- falcon tells them to give a few reads, Delta just refers to earlier townreads
- Mentions falcon is a "little" townie based on an alleged slip they caught
- Says they would vote falcon "to save a townread", but is only interested in voting me
- Says they would "GTH" vote falcon D2, but later hedges on them

Ricochet:

- Calls falcon an "enigma" based on N0 posts
- falcon is "zone of concern", above Delta and me; criticizes lack of "depth" in hunting
- updates list, falcon is above sig as well
- By D2, has falcon as third lowest, after Porscha and Delta

sig:

- "heavily eyeing" falcon D2
- Later says falcon is playing to their wolf meta
- While looking over Caitlin's ISO post-flip, notes that it looks bad for falcon
- Votes falcon, but later ends up on Porscha

Scrappy Doo:

- Had falcon under "EVIL GHOSTS", but above me and pyxxy

Yeah, that's it.

Anyway, time to start working on the people from my side of the thread. I'll look at the old thread first so I have that context when looking over this one. Will only be looking at falcon interactions, since it's likely that all landlords are dead on that side and I'm not in the mood to go over any more of Abby's ISO anyway.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:59 am It does make me almost want to revive the "Scrappy is a wolf trying to use Caitlin as a decoy" theory, since pyxxy brought the idea of Scrappy being Caitlin up and he's paired with Abby who would be the most knowledgeable on how to impersonate Caitlin. Abby's own statements on the theory have been pretty hedgy and contradictory.

And plus, Scrappy's pyxxy push would make more sense in this world given that bussing was the plan. Still, likely tinfoil.

It does make me almost want to revive the "Scrappy is a wolf trying to use Caitlin as a decoy" theory, since pyxxy brought the idea of Scrappy being Caitlin up and he's paired with Abby who would be the most knowledgeable on how to impersonate Caitlin. Abby's own statements on the theory have been pretty hedgy and contradictory.

Yeah, Abby's ISO doesn't have much that's interesting. I mean, it tells me that Sloonei is obviously not partnered with Abby, but I kind of knew that already.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:23 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:22 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:00 am
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:16 pm Out of the other thread players so far, I feel most comfortable calling Cape90/Dyslexicon town. I dont think I can put that into words more than just 'They seem alright.' Would like to know if that's a sentiment shared with those who were in their thread these last few days though.

To a more technical extent, Nutella/MasterRadishes join that list since I dont think the haiku restriction would come from town, even if just because it seems so inconvenient for town to apply to someone, and what they have given so far doesn't feel scummy enough to warrant being restricted by town to begin with.
This is the first time I disagree with the puppy

What do you disagree with?
The cape dizzy obv town part

Doesn't think Cape90 and Dyslexicon are obvious town. Still, that kind of read is pretty hedgy

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:57 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
These people could all be overestimating their own abilities.
I'd personally love to know who these people are
You're one of them.
I rescinded cause Caitlin than rescinded my rescind cause me again

Vote: DM

Like the eventual Lemon vote, this vote feels really weak and not like a bus.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:51 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:49 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:41 am I don't remember if falcon ended on pyxxy but I will hold to my belief falcon is town

I barely ever read falcon wrong
Also LOL
the thing is PA and falcon didn't share wincons. they are on diff teams

That makes it even more funny

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:43 am If say I got a gun from someone than I would have used it on Daisy or Sig

If say I got a cop check from someone than I would have used it on Falcon or Delta

If say I got nothing from someone than none of this matters

She clearly didn't use a cop check on Falcon, else she would have death tunneled.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:41 am I don't remember if falcon ended on pyxxy but I will hold to my belief falcon is town

I barely ever read falcon wrong

Also LOL

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:16 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:24 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:19 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:12 am A brief summary of everyone's pyxxy interactions for y'all in the other thread:

Delta: Prodded pyxxy to contribute more a couple of times, never really pushed them hard. At EoD, was more concerned about their wagon than pyxxy's.
Epignosis: One of the earlier voters on pyxxy, but only really had three real interactions with them.
falcon: Only player (besides 1-poster Spacedaisy) to never interact with pyxxy at all.
LC: Voted pyxxy last-minute; had no strong pyxxy interactions before then.
Abby: One of the earlier and more steadfast pyxxy voters.
Ricochet: Talked about pyxxy a couple times but never really established them as a suspicion.
Scrappy: Had pyxxy as their alleged biggest suspect (without much elaboration) only to switch to tunneling me by EoD.
sig: Voted pyxxy last-minute without ever interacting with them beforehand.
Sloonei: Originally voted pyxxy just to follow Epi without expressing a real read on them. Eventually just voted pyxxy because they were the "best" option
TSP: Only a couple of barely notable pyxxy mentions. Had the opportunity to switch their vote to pyxxy at EoD but didn't.
It kinda sounds like pyxxy was very alone in the thread.
nobody was townreading Lime Coke either in our thread, but there were at least one or two folks who felt that lunching him for lowposting wasn't the best choice.
I heard about the multiball theory being floated in your thread; do you think that's more likely than pyxxy being bussed or ignored by a partner?
While it is true that there wasn't anybody really defending pyxxy (besides Delta maybe?) the pushers of pyxxy weren't really that forceful either? For most of the phase, the only pushers were Abby, Epi (who basically mentioned them offhandedly after I asked them who they would be okay with dying) and Sloonei (who was only there because Epi was, and not because they voiced a strong suspicion of pyxxy themselves) (and Scrappy I guess). pyxxy only really went down after he was flailing at EoD. So I think it is likely that his partners ignored him for most of the phase, but may have bussed him at EoD (but I'm not 100% certain on that part).
Let's be real I was the only one who actually pushed pyxxy and I basically had to beg you people to keep votes on at EoD.

And than Caitlin for N1d and not me and I'm still pissed about that

LOL

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:36 am If there is a busser on falcon, I think Wilgy fits the bill but I felt the wagon of that day was honestly mostly pure.

The DM push kind of bothered me because at 1 point 3 people were on DM and they were NOT from our thread. The main pusher was Epignosis, though I want to see who voted second/third because i dont remember

If Wilgy bussed falcon here, it would have been quite a committed bus. Is Wilgy known for doing that kind of thing? I believe I've only dealt with wolf!Wilgy once and that was eight years ago where he death tunneled me

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes
I suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too

Suspects falcon from N0

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:34 pm "Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason
It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.
I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.

Surprisingly has like fifty posts after without mentioning falcon, but does vote them when their wagon is starting to pick up momentum. No stated reason beyond vague "don't think falcon's doing himself any favors" and presumed continuity with N0 read

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
didn't Abbi change her mind?

Finally, some significant Abby interactions! Speaks on Abby's behalf here while refuting part of a falcon defense

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:06 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:33 pm Has nobody stopped to consider that scum falcon killing players who SR him is about as subtle as a brick?

Fur reelz, I have way more panache than that
Ugh I hate that I town read this

Unvote
If it's multiball, then the kill may not have come from him.

To be fair, if it's multiball, then Caitlin dying early to nightkill doesn't clear you either.
I've seen wolf!Abbi kill town!Caitlin on N1 in a game before so I'd never clear her off of that
I think Abbi's been ok so far, though, and judging by what I've heard from her progression in the West Facility, she's probably town

Says they would "never clear" Abby based off the nightkill, still I think Abby was more depending on the bus. Otherwise townreads Abby

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:41 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:10 pm So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply
Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.

Asks falcon to respond to one of Ricochet's arguments. Otherwise, stays parked on falcon

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:40 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:56 pm I notice quite a few players saying today that they'd rather vote within their Facility where they already have established reads. I do think that's pretty solid reasoning, but I will not commit my vote to the East Facility players if I find overwhelming evidence of someone being scummy who just happens to be from the West Facility. I like that there's already been a lot of discussion and catch-up on what's happened in each of our respective threads, and I'll encourage it to continue, because it's important to get the full picture of what we've missed. But I would be a little wary of the people who are agreeing to only vote someone from their Facility, because I do think it's an easy way for scum to cop out of voting a partner who's catching heat from the opposite thread. I think the original suggestion was towny, but imo the more who agree with it and push it as the correct play, the more likely that wolves are backing the idea.
Strong agree with this
even though I brought it up
it may not quite hold

I am starting to
see the case on falcon now
will consider him

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:33 pm Falcon's return is
not inspiring good feelings
so far. Dirty bird?

Says they "will consider" falcon. Lightly shades them.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:35 pm Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?
Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

Abby town, falcon "maybe" wolf

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:58 pm i also think the
falcon wagon's stale too
and i town lean him

meanwhile there has been
more resistance to monroe
feeling that's the hit

Now townleans falcon, with little to explain the change in attitude besides the wagon being "stale"

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:06 pm meh ultimately
i trust monroe's voters more
than falcon's voters

not sure either would
flip wolf at this point but just
might go back in case

And spent most of EoD shading the falcon wagon. Like I know having to post in haiku limits you, but come on these are some weak interactions. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:22 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:18 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:41 am Someone told me they missed me. It was very sweet. They also told me to kill Leetic.

Did you send me a guitar?
I didn't know what brand you play.

I'll play any brand w/ strings

What are your reads right now? Gut feels allowed
What about a ukelele? Sitar?

Reads in process of being mulled over and updated. I felt our side of things was relatively towny, not due to, like, amazing collective solving but more because a lot of slots felt pretty good. So I feel maybe I should raise the bar a bit higher.

Fluff conversation with falcon.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:53 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:02 pm My mom still thinks I'm cool
Does she think you're town?

Pushes falcon, but doesn't really elaborate on why.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:15 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:05 pm Your vote on my wagon feels opportunistic.
No it doesn't.

Yes, MR, it does actually, just like tea feels like crumpets & Scotch eggs feel Welsh
Vote me then.

Dares falcon to confront them.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:35 pm Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?
Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great
Damn we on the same wavelength. I was even thinking about TSP recently and how he fit into teams fairly easily.

I think a (some combo of) Brad/pyxxy/Lemon/falcon/Sabi/TSP team could definitely be one that's demoralised in their current position.
I don’t believe you
Join the club with Falcon.

Just quoting this to say that a team of falcon/TSP/MR is unlikely.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:55 pm TSP's omgus is so strong he rage-misclicked my name in the poll and hit Falcon's instead.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:48 pm I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.
Don't forget about the poll btw.

Does remind WWA to make their falcon vote count, a minor point against them being paired.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag
For context, Falc and I go way back, so not entirely info-less in terms of what I'd expect from him. I didn't articulate it because sometimes wordless pressure is the best pressure, but basically I was trusting others who were iffy on Falc from the West thread (and hadn't seen anything from Falc that would lead me to dispute their views). And I was playing with wagons a bit (I think I made it 4 vs Lemon's 5). His reaction to my vote made me actually suspicious of him, though.

Jumps ship off of MR for some reason, ostensibly to give them space. Would be excusable, except...

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:57 pm [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.

For whatever reason, never gets back on the falcon wagon and jumps on the CW! Also advocates for flashwagoning, like seriously? It's a bit bold, but that's all the positives I can say here. Also another one with no Abby interactions

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:59 pm I thought people were town reading Falcon

But apparently not

This would be slightly weird for falcon's partner to post, but it is a bit out of nowhere

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:00 pm I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?
Yeah

Alison read Falcon town and said he was someone she can read well

If anyone cares

I think Radishes is kind of back on the menu for me

As in, he could very well be wolf

But also I struggle to care about the roof oof oof

So they're talking about Alison. Not doing them yet, but reminds me of this TSP post:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

Now Alison was on the other side, and a large part of my falcon suspicion was because the dead townies in my thread didn't read falcon town, and it's a weird thing to be fixated on besides. I can see a Dyslexicon's/TSP pairing here, though TSP's post is suspicious regardless of Dyslexicon's alignment but that's for another time.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:38 pm I don't think DM is mafia

I don't really think Falcom is mafia either

I'm ok with my vote I guess

Stayed on a vanity wagon. I mean, they didn't try to save falcon by converging to one of the CWs, but it's not like that would have changed anything. Anyway, no Abby interactions.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:20 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:11 am I realize I am doing the same thing I'm accusing you of in my emotional response and I shouldnot do that

I do think the pelt is mine though

I think I'm wrong on someone in my town core who Caitlin was right about otherwise I think I'd be dead N1 over her

It could be falcon... but I don't want to think it is
So Princess Abigail is town yeah?

Reads Abby town.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:23 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:43 am If say I got a gun from someone than I would have used it on Daisy or Sig

If say I got a cop check from someone than I would have used it on Falcon or Delta

If say I got nothing from someone than none of this matters
1. why would you use gun differently then cop check?
2. you cannot hint at mech, just as a reminder

Would be a weird post if Cape was Abby's partner, as it is almost begging for them to be modkilled and such reminders are usually done in wolfchat anyway

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:56 pm I have 6 votes?

That's a lot, eh?
That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now

I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood
Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?
I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

Pushes back on Wilgy's case

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:56 pm I have 6 votes?

That's a lot, eh?
That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now

I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood
Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

I can't force you to see things from my point of view, I feel I'm obv town

I'm the towniest town who's ever towned!

Maybe I'm having a bad game? But!

Has anyone ever considered that maybe I'm having a great game?
If you are having a great game, why are you getting pushed? are most people pushing for you in bad faith?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:32 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:33 pmInstead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.
What makes you think that?
He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.
All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

But is apparently also wolfreading falcon? Would be weird if they were trying to save falcon. Still, they ended on a vanity wagon for some reason.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:05 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:04 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:52 pm it's nice to have everyone in one thread again but at the same time, it feels so disorienting and I can't remember half of you

also

Fluff interaction with Abby.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

Hedges on falcon (then again, not only player they hedged on and TRs Abby. Abby's vote on them does look good on them being unpaired. It's a little odd how they ignored the huge falcon wagon, then again they were pretty insistent on voting someone from their own side.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:42 pm ^Got to learn to close them vote tags.

Yeah, you should tell DM that. Still, probably should have manually fixed it like I had to do to one of Sloonei's posts

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:30 pm I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians

This feels like such a weak statement that I would almost think it's evidence for unpairing them? Then again, this does feel like a noob wolf thing to say and I'm not sure of DM's overall experience level.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:45 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:44 pm Delta is town this wagon is bad
how do you town read delta from any of the post he made? they seem like fluff to me

Asks Abby to elaborate a read. This does stand out a bit in their ISO, the only other player who they asked for elaborations on a read not on themselves was nutella, and there was a full conversation between them. Not sure if this is supposed to be theatre or whatever, but the Delta suspicion is at least consistent in their ISO.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:08 pm going to falcon bc i dont feel safe with so many votes on me

im going to work so i wont be online for eod

love yall

[VOTE: vote:falcon [VOTE: really hope its mafia] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:

Votes falcon pretty last-minute and only for self-pres reasons. "really hope its (sic) mafia" does feel a bit performative, but someone more familiar with them can tell me if that's a typical statement for them.] aubergine] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:27 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:38 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:32 pm Question, was there a perceived town core from the other thread?
Yeah, and I was even sometimes in it! Epignosis, Abigail, Sloonei in some, Seanzie in some... Caitlin was in it. Did sig make it in at one point? leetic I think I saw in one, but I'm not down with that.
Thank you.

Of the players on your side, Sig was the only one I had a tr on, do you know who advised the town Sig?

The closest thing they have to an Abby mention. Only TRed sig (so not falcon or Abby), but this was only based on D0 posts

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:56 pm I have 6 votes?

That's a lot, eh?
That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now

I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood
Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

Was pushing falcon quite early

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:38 pm The Fairy wagon consists of players that were on the Sabi wagon with the new addition of WWA and Sloon.

Are Nut, Nook, Dizzy and Davos sharing a single brain cell?

Continuing to push falcon, while going against the lemonfairy wagon (the largest CW at the time).

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:24 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:56 pm I have 6 votes?

That's a lot, eh?
That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now

I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood
Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?
I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together
I think Falc is a major wagon and I have to decide if I'm to vote. Should I not at least voice my opinion on the slot as that actually exists to an extent?

Plus Falc was one of the few players that I reviewed previously around d1.

Why exactly is this terrible that being the case?

More pushing of falcon, there's even more but I think you get my point

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:02 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:37 pm [VOTE: monroe] aubergine
I disapprove

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:03 am [VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

Goes against falcon's vote, then votes falcon

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:41 pm I'm pretty sure Falcon is fine to yeet.

They are here and they haven't quite done anything about their wagon.

T Falc definitely cracks back strong and with their own solving.

DM is responding exactly like how I'd expect from them as town.

The fact that I have no memory of Delta in this thread but we have votes there is worth a note. If Falc wasn't a wagon I'd likely vote there.

Is fine with falcon vote, but doesn't completely disregard Delta wagon. If this is a bus, it'd have to be a very dedicated one (there is more that I didn't quote), and it does stand out that someone with a relatively lower postcount in this game has so many falcon interactions (I'll have to check the others to see if this is meaningful). Still, they didn't exactly do much else and there is nothing to suggest against an Abby pairing.

Alright, time to look at interactions with falcon and Abby. I'll start with people from the other thread, as I only have to look at this thread from here.

Davos wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:07 pm [VOTE: Lemon Fairy ] aubergine

Arr!!

This was Davos's only post in the thread, voting a CW to falcon. This was apparently Abby's second choice after the falcon wagon, so maybe this implies a little coordination? Still, it's weak

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:18 pm [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.
Theeeeeere it is.
What's with this response? It feels like you were expecting someone to say that
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Tell him what's won, Johnny!

If you've been expecting it, surely you have a response to the charges

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:18 pm [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.
Theeeeeere it is.

What's with this response? It feels like you were expecting someone to say that

Plus, Abby's bus on pyxxy was strong. That vote was weak.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:51 pm Vote: Lemon

I hate all these wagons

Abby's last vote before the switch to falcon. If Abby was trying to bus here, it would make no sense to throw that out for a convergence with town that wouldn't have changed the outcome. Thus, I think Lemonfairy isn't the last landlord at least.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:37 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:33 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:26 pm oh as for the wagon comp themselves yeah also worth looking at. I do think falcon likely had at least one busser and i thought wilgy fit
yeah I think falcon's team could definitely afford to bus, I'm not entirely sure if they would have deemed it necessary? Since obviously they must've been doing well when nobody knew they existed for sure, except for maybe the Landlords (I guess the number of members would be a clue).
Bussing is a very high risk low reward strategy in multiball, since the biggest threat to wolves isn't the town but the other wolf team. Still, apparently Abby thought it was a good idea so who knows at this point
I'm quite sure the Landlords just went for bussing cause there was an overwhelming majority of votes on Brad, too, in our thread
If I recall correctly, Abby was on pyxxy quite early in the phase. I'll have to recheck it though. Still, I guess maybe they wanted to get rid of a member who wasn't contributing, or they didn't have enough multiball experience to know why it's a bad idea here?
She started bussing a bit over halfway through the phase, so take that how you will.
Still, the only people who may have been on pyxxy at that point were Epi, Sloonei, and Scrappy, the latter being a sock and the second being a pure sheep? Whatever, not putting any more thought into this when there are almost certainly no remaining landlords in the thread

I mean, I'm pretty sure I was under considerably more scrutiny at that point. I'm bad at this "not putting any more thought into this" thing

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:40 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:37 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:33 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:26 pm oh as for the wagon comp themselves yeah also worth looking at. I do think falcon likely had at least one busser and i thought wilgy fit
yeah I think falcon's team could definitely afford to bus, I'm not entirely sure if they would have deemed it necessary? Since obviously they must've been doing well when nobody knew they existed for sure, except for maybe the Landlords (I guess the number of members would be a clue).
Bussing is a very high risk low reward strategy in multiball, since the biggest threat to wolves isn't the town but the other wolf team. Still, apparently Abby thought it was a good idea so who knows at this point
I'm quite sure the Landlords just went for bussing cause there was an overwhelming majority of votes on Brad, too, in our thread
If I recall correctly, Abby was on pyxxy quite early in the phase. I'll have to recheck it though. Still, I guess maybe they wanted to get rid of a member who wasn't contributing, or they didn't have enough multiball experience to know why it's a bad idea here?
She started bussing a bit over halfway through the phase, so take that how you will.

Still, the only people who may have been on pyxxy at that point were Epi, Sloonei, and Scrappy, the latter being a sock and the second being a pure sheep? Whatever, not putting any more thought into this when there are almost certainly no remaining landlords in the thread

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:37 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:33 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:26 pm oh as for the wagon comp themselves yeah also worth looking at. I do think falcon likely had at least one busser and i thought wilgy fit
yeah I think falcon's team could definitely afford to bus, I'm not entirely sure if they would have deemed it necessary? Since obviously they must've been doing well when nobody knew they existed for sure, except for maybe the Landlords (I guess the number of members would be a clue).
Bussing is a very high risk low reward strategy in multiball, since the biggest threat to wolves isn't the town but the other wolf team. Still, apparently Abby thought it was a good idea so who knows at this point
I'm quite sure the Landlords just went for bussing cause there was an overwhelming majority of votes on Brad, too, in our thread
If I recall correctly, Abby was on pyxxy quite early in the phase. I'll have to recheck it though. Still, I guess maybe they wanted to get rid of a member who wasn't contributing, or they didn't have enough multiball experience to know why it's a bad idea here?

She started bussing a bit over halfway through the phase, so take that how you will.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:33 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:26 pm oh as for the wagon comp themselves yeah also worth looking at. I do think falcon likely had at least one busser and i thought wilgy fit
yeah I think falcon's team could definitely afford to bus, I'm not entirely sure if they would have deemed it necessary? Since obviously they must've been doing well when nobody knew they existed for sure, except for maybe the Landlords (I guess the number of members would be a clue).
Bussing is a very high risk low reward strategy in multiball, since the biggest threat to wolves isn't the town but the other wolf team. Still, apparently Abby thought it was a good idea so who knows at this point
I'm quite sure the Landlords just went for bussing cause there was an overwhelming majority of votes on Brad, too, in our thread

If I recall correctly, Abby was on pyxxy quite early in the phase. I'll have to recheck it though. Still, I guess maybe they wanted to get rid of a member who wasn't contributing, or they didn't have enough multiball experience to know why it's a bad idea here?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:26 pm oh as for the wagon comp themselves yeah also worth looking at. I do think falcon likely had at least one busser and i thought wilgy fit
yeah I think falcon's team could definitely afford to bus, I'm not entirely sure if they would have deemed it necessary? Since obviously they must've been doing well when nobody knew they existed for sure, except for maybe the Landlords (I guess the number of members would be a clue).

Bussing is a very high risk low reward strategy in multiball, since the biggest threat to wolves isn't the town but the other wolf team. Still, apparently Abby thought it was a good idea so who knows at this point

falcon voted Seanzie (vanity wagon, flipped town) D1 and sig (CW to flipped town Porscha) D2

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:25 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:13 pm Although we could try to find falcon's partner in my thread, it's likely a better idea to vote someone from the other side as there are more wolves to be found there. We can try to snuff out the remaining landlord or start digging for falcon partners.
you're assuming 4 of each? you don't think it would be unevenly split, like 3 of each with an imbalance of 2+1 in each thread half?
but yeah, either way, I think you're right that we will have better luck with East Facility players because a total of 3 West Facility players have flipped some sort of mafia (pyxxy, falcon, Abbi), and only 1 in East has flipped mafia (Brad).
Teams of 3 in a multiball list of 30 seems really townsided (even moreso than multiball setups usually are). By comparison, World Flags was a multiball setup run a few years ago here with two teams of 3 in 20 players and that ended up being pretty townsided, although here there are likely ITPs which will influence the numbers.
Oh, it's cause I was thinking 6/30 are mafia and then there might be 3ps or something? We've now seen a couple of extra kills and I'm not sure where those are coming from. There was an extra nightkill in the East Facility, plus a dayvig in yours? and then two kills here last night. Might expect a dayvig next, based on that pattern. I know I said I thought Sabi could've been slankvigged for zeroposting yesterday, but actually neither of the players who died in East in the double-kill had slanked.

6/30 would be 20% mafia, which would be low even for games with only one faction. In multiball games, you are supposed to have more (for instance, in the most famous multiball setup Fire and Ice it is two teams of two in thirteen players, and that setup is townsided if anything).

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:16 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:13 pm Although we could try to find falcon's partner in my thread, it's likely a better idea to vote someone from the other side as there are more wolves to be found there. We can try to snuff out the remaining landlord or start digging for falcon partners.
you're assuming 4 of each? you don't think it would be unevenly split, like 3 of each with an imbalance of 2+1 in each thread half?
but yeah, either way, I think you're right that we will have better luck with East Facility players because a total of 3 West Facility players have flipped some sort of mafia (pyxxy, falcon, Abbi), and only 1 in East has flipped mafia (Brad).

Teams of 3 in a multiball list of 30 seems really townsided (even moreso than multiball setups usually are). By comparison, World Flags was a multiball setup run a few years ago here with two teams of 3 in 20 players and that ended up being pretty townsided, although here there are likely ITPs which will influence the numbers.

Although we could try to find falcon's partner in my thread, it's likely a better idea to vote someone from the other side as there are more wolves to be found there. We can try to snuff out the remaining landlord or start digging for falcon partners.

The funny thing is it's likely that both wolf teams targeted Caitlin N1, but for different reasons. Still, there's a lot of work to be done with both flips

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