The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:Yeah, that does seem a little like prodging to me. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a lynch on him, but still I'd like to lynch someone who'd give us a little more information. How much information does lynching an inactive player give if they flip town? Not much.

I don't lynch for information. I lynch to win.

'Xcept it's D1, and the best D1 lynch is one that gives the town information and puts them on track in the next phases.

How much information would lynching you provide?

Well, depends on who's on my wagon, and who's opposed.

Also, inactive people usually get subbed out - no use lynching them now.

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:Yeah, that does seem a little like prodging to me. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a lynch on him, but still I'd like to lynch someone who'd give us a little more information. How much information does lynching an inactive player give if they flip town? Not much.

I don't lynch for information. I lynch to win.

'Xcept it's D1, and the best D1 lynch is one that gives the town information and puts them on track in the next phases.

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:

Epignosis wrote:My vote is likely to go to Serge- two posts here despite activity elsewhere.

I don't really think it's a good idea to lynch a player for simply being inactive - one could argue it's a scummy thing to do since they make for easy mislynches. It could be used for pressure, but considering that Serge has been pressured before and he didn't respond, I don't think that'd work.

One could argue.

Are you arguing that?

Maybe.

If my statement of intention is immediately met with, "one could argue it's a scummy thing to do since they make for easy mislynches," that push back in itself contradicts the notion you set forth that Serge is an easy lynch.

He is an easy lynch, whether he's scum or not. That's why I tend to shy away from wagons like that, as they don't give out much information, if any.

Yeah, that does seem a little like prodging to me. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a lynch on him, but still I'd like to lynch someone who'd give us a little more information. How much information does lynching an inactive player give if they flip town? Not much.

Can someone quote Serge's two posts? Gracias.

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:

Epignosis wrote:My vote is likely to go to Serge- two posts here despite activity elsewhere.

I don't really think it's a good idea to lynch a player for simply being inactive - one could argue it's a scummy thing to do since they make for easy mislynches. It could be used for pressure, but considering that Serge has been pressured before and he didn't respond, I don't think that'd work.

One could argue.

Are you arguing that?

Maybe.

Epignosis wrote:My vote is likely to go to Serge- two posts here despite activity elsewhere.

I don't really think it's a good idea to lynch a player for simply being inactive - one could argue it's a scummy thing to do since they make for easy mislynches. It could be used for pressure, but considering that Serge has been pressured before and he didn't respond, I don't think that'd work.

Also, I'm switching my vote back to ika, since I feel he's slightly scummier for reasons I've explained in my wallpost(s) and now there's no current risk of the wolves choosing the lynch (which was the reason I changed my vote in the first place).

Yo, Silverwolf, please calm down a bit, you're getting a little too fiery for your own good.

Silverwolf wrote:Fuck off. I'm not reading any more of this game. I'm replacing out.

That seals the deal to me, when people sub out after people suspect them then that is a huge scumtell. Adieu, Silverwolf. At least you saved me the work of another wallpost.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote: SIlver: got any more reads?

I don't except leaning scum on MP and slight town on you. I'm usually pretty slow to develop reads right out of the gate and need to get into a game for awhile before I can do that.

I'm not sure I'm deserving of a townread right now from you or anyone. I've hardly even gotten into this game yet.

ok. silver is now super town. i would never see her make the underlined as scum. she would of been super happy with me town reading her as scum

Um, okay. This conversation seems totally faked. "I'll create an easy reason for people to read Silver as town, and since I know Silver nobody will question it!"

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:read lsit
so metalmarsh can be town
sig is obvious scum right now
MP i would lynch as well.

to do list
silver needs to eb sorted soon.
figure out names meta, relookign its null

For what reason? Nonsense.

"Guts" you say. Unless you can back up any of your assertions with reasoning (such as "this post made me feel good about so and so because...", even if the reason is very minuscule), then I won't be treating your early reads with any weight, with all due respect.

congradulations you did scum tactic 101, discrediting. you should know by my games i have played here already this is how i always play

I don't give a shit how you say you always play. Stop it with that. I am not discrediting you, only explaining why I think your current "reads" aren't worth putting stock in, at least from my perspective.

You don't know everything. I'm allowed to disagree with your methods as town.

i bolded the main things that vaildates me on discrediting. if you said "well i am not going to" i would beg to differ but the second bolded states "i think your reads arent worth putting in" witch in turn is a genral statement and not yourself

You know, this would have more weight had ika not, you know, discredited everyone's reads on Silver. This post is very hypocritical.

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Acting defensive, as I would be in his situation, and you're just jumping on him for seemingly no actual logical reason.

and realistically if everyone played in logical format, scums should always win cus they have more info and can manipulate the situation.

So, your strategy in mafia is to ignore logic completely and just go purely on vague, subjective emotion?

If this was the GOP, that may work. (EDGY POLITICAL REFERENCE) But mafia has always been 4/5ths logic and 1/5th gut reactions. Getting rid of logic only leaves you with a 1/5 of a shot at being right.

not really? thats jsut an opion of how mafia should be. i mean if you look at last hesit game it wasnt really "logic" that won, it was jsut a cop having more clears then the scum cna eliminate, do we call that logic?

i dont caare about odds overall, my guts work more then my logic.

that baing said, if you wanted to talk on tecnhcial stuff, everony rght now has a 6.67& chance of being scum and this number never changes

This just looks like more excuses. "It's not 'scummy behavior', it's going off of my gut, which is how I play mafia!"

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I think MP seems unusually defensive this game so far.

i agree. im gonging to give silver a small town read right now

This was the first post where he inicates a town read on Silver, and what reason does he give? Nada. It was like he was waiting for one off his scumbuddies, possibly Silver herself, to give him a reason.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:ill thorw mtal to town pile too

Who?

metalmarsh i like his entrance

Duh, should of known. Perhaps I should go read the game starting with the player list.

I think it's too early to be giving out reads that quick but you do that so meh.

I on the other hand, am dealing with a shitty fever and will be going to bed soon.

its never too early my dear.

that being said, plz make sure that gets taken care of

This sums up virtually every post he made in the beginning of the game - basically just screwing around with Silverwolf. Not sure whether or not that'd be scummy, but eh.



Th-th-that's all folks! Join us next time when we make ISO wallposts about Silverwolf.

Alright, now for the much-anticipated part 2 of my wallpost (well, part three if you count that last one). This one will cover everything from where I left off to when I started appearing in thread. So let's this done, for I'm hungry like the wolf! (...okay that was lame.)

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I'm not responding to this. Get over yourself.

you didnt even read it did you, ive gotten over myself a long time ago but you have not. so hipcrtical of you to say such thing

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
"Perfectly valid reason"? Are you serious? ika has given literally no basis for any of his "reads". It'd be like if I came in and said Silverwolf is bad and ika is good, then when people asked I shrugged, and then someone else tried to argue that my reads were worthless, and you came in and defended me that I had "perfectly valid reason". What? No I don't. Neither does ika.

your not refuting her point on this you knwo that right? my reasons of gut is vaild in itself.

as for the dicredit posts: the why you phrased it is directing it to everyone else at the same time

Aside from piggybacking Silver, another thing I've noticed him doing a lot is tunneling MP (and earlier on, INH). Find a post that he interacts with someone other than Silver, MP, or INH. I dare you.

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: You think Silverwolf is a human being so predictable that you know exactly what observations she would make when given a town or scum role card?

I'd prefer not to have yet another game where this discussion is had. It gets really, really old.

It's his fault the discussion happens every game.

says the person who provoked the entire converstation.

if you have a god damn problem dake this to MOD.

ill adress all of this shit but seriously, YOUR THE OWNER OF THE SITE, you tell me that people have problem with me, POT MEET KETTLE

i have been utterly civil in this entire convo and you are the one basicly making personal.

...I have nothing. Moving on.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also, MP you haven't played that many games with ika compared to me. I don't think you have the authority to tell people how to read him or not read him.

^this very much

if anything wll send me to normal to IRATE RAGE is something like this. the only one who can ever say such things about em is silver herself. i can says oem people can understand me on a baseline but to have the audacity to say "ika does this as town and scum" is only a silverwolf thing

that also being said i now am town reading silver much more. i know if she was scum she would try to buddy me on only a few points, the fact shes going through length to defend me full shows me that she is wanting to work with me.

SIlver: got any more reads?

"Only Silver is allowed to read me!" Epitome of his scummyness IMO. And townreading her because she's defending you? I wouldn't see that as a reason to townread someone, especially since you had no real reason to be townread.

ika wrote:

leetic wrote:So, caught up a little. It's a lot of people accusing MP, MP being defensive, the two users with wolf avatars talking to each other, and more. Personally, I don't think those two wolf guys are scum together, because if they were, wouldn't they use the factional chat? Or does that work differently here?

im still wating for the day where we both roll scum

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Am I the only one who finds this a little suspicious? 3/4 of the time people who say stuff like that end up as scum. Also my quoted post there does not reflect my current thoughts, I can totally see them being scumbuddies now.

Next will be a Part 3 for ika, and then I'll move on to Silverwolf.

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
If you can see her doing it as scum, then how on earth can you say it's a town read?

You think Silverwolf is a human being so predictable that you know exactly what observations she would make when given a town or scum role card?

ok let me tell you something out right, silver is the least predcitple person you can encaounter.

there is so much more then just "predicting" what she does as town and scum. i read what she post and look at the very mindset it comes from, i look at her agenda, i talk to her in game to sort her. it has 0 things to do with predcitibilty.

our very interactions in itself is what leads me to read her

pedit: again, let me respond to everything first, i will say that i am willing to lsiten to a lot of thing but when people go "NO" (how im perciving how your acting right now) im just gonna go full stop to it all.

agree to disagree is one thing, but how your acting and saying is "im wrong your right" and if thats the path you take i will fight the same

I just found this masterpiece and couldn't wait until the wallpost to post this. Look at the italibolded part. If Silver is so unpredictable, then why the hell are you defending her without giving much of a reason? This post makes virtually every post ika makes nonsensical.

Alright, time for the ISOs! Let's start with ika, who I believe is the scummier of the wolves (though I'm voting for Silver because I don't want the wolves controlling the lynch). So, without (much) further ado, let's wolf this wallpost down!

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bullshit. We're all playing the game and I'm allowed to give any opinion about anyone I want. I've had a certain experience with you, which seemed relevant to the conversation, so I provided it. Now you're discrediting me, ika. Stop discrediting me.

YOu can say whatever you like, im just stagi a fact that silver probally knwos me better then i knwo myself. so yes i have the rights to say your wrong on that front

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:ika, I'm not trying to make anything personal, so I sincerely apologize if you feel this conversation is getting personal. You'll have to forgive me for getting frustrated because I feel as though if anyone ever questions you or Silverwolf, then they start getting scumread by either or both of you, because I've seen it happen in other games, and it's happening to me right now. You've said you had a "gut" scum read on me and you've not elaborated on it in the slightest, then Silver comes in and gives me the same thing, when all I've done is come in here and contribute and honestly express my opinions. I'm not trying to tell you how to play; I've said this. And I can't interact or gain any insight from you if all you do is throw out "gut" reads.

Look, i will speak slighty on both of our behalfs but silver cna respond to this herself on this matter. You have every right to quesiton us both, im not going to try to stop that, but when we get wrong scum read for what are improper reasons (ie turf wars) we will defend regardless of alignment. defending each other is jsut a second nature thing to us. if you noticed when i was scum silver did it a lot less, when i was scum i did it even more then how im porb doing it right now.

if we think the ohter is being attacked we will defend the other, if you are asking a genral question we wouldnt respond, have you noticed how silver only defened me to you and nobody elses convo? thats cus they are speaking in a normal tone, when i see your post (and i bet silver sees the same) i see an agresion to near attack form it. so silver will jump likewise i do the same

Here's one of the first things I noticed about ika - he talks about Silver. A lot. Cut all of his posts where he talks about Silver, and you won't be left with much. But the real kicker is that they're defending each other, with the reason being "I know her. You don't. Now shut up." I don't think I have to explain why this is scummy, because instead of simply disagreeing with other people's reads, they're trying to make them seem invalid. (And yes this is mutual, something I will explain when I make a wallpost about Silver) This post is particularly scummy because he's saying "Why am I defending Silver? Don't question it"

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:@MP, let me chatch up and ill respond to that post proper.

I will be gone rather soon cus i got a 4 hr drive ahread of me and 3 10 hr shifts for the next 3 days. im not goign to be here as much as i liek so im posting what i can

That's fine, take your time. I'm going to leave again myself because I still have plenty of work. I'm not going to keep this circle discussion going though, so if I don't see any productive way to continue this upon my return, I'm abandoning it. It's just been difficult to do so because now I already have both you and Silver as likely people voting for me for reasons I cannot discern.

silver said you were being overly defensive.

i have guts, does that mean im gonna vote park you? no

Silver, Silver, Silver. I've never seen anyone piggyback off of another player as much as he piggybacks off of Silver.

ika wrote:the context is that we are dating IRL.

thats all im going to say on the matter, we don't use it as reason in game and we don't want it to become one.

everything said so far has been game context related or past game reference.

It's almost as if he's using the fact that they're dating as an excuse for this scummy behavior.

ika wrote:I'm on break but if people are thinking silver is scum I will bet you right fucking now she's town. If anyone is gonna fight me on that I will bet right now. I'm mobile so I'll speak later proeper

More defending Silver randomly. To his credit, he does say he'll speak more about this later, but he has yet to do that.

Stay tuned for ika ISO Wallpost Part Two, coming soon to a post near you!

...ika and Silverwolf are the ones voting MP. That's totally not suspicious /sarcasm. Next, I'll ISO their posts to provide a proper analysis.

Changing my vote to Silverwolf to tie MP's wagon.

ika wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I just realized... There's no cop in this game.

Sorry leetic, I lied.

Yo MM, got any reads or thoughts for me (and the thread)?

Yes, Silverwolf is scum.

How about them apples?

shes not scum shes town

i havent beena le to sleep but im not in a mood to make porper posting

...Actually, come to think of it, they might be scum together. I don't have a good feeling about these wolf guys, because they spend most of their time just screwing around and claim that anyone else's reads on them are invalid. so Vote: ika

sig wrote:There is a very strong chance the mafia are lying low as the civs squabbled so early in the game.

Is there anyone who hasn't posted yet/hasn't posted at all? They'd be good starts.

Yes! Time for the RVS... Oh wait this isn't Bulbagarden.

So, is this beginning for real?

Woah, not even D1 yet? Where I come from all we do on N0 is confirm. This is definitely different from what I'm used to.

So, caught up a little. It's a lot of people accusing MP, MP being defensive, the two users with wolf avatars talking to each other, and more. Personally, I don't think those two wolf guys are scum together, because if they were, wouldn't they use the factional chat? Or does that work differently here?

So, this started? Well, reading over this. This is certainly more active than games I'm used to, so forgive me if I'm a little behind. insertnamehere has been a little pushy on ika, so he's a slight scumread.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Frankly I see no reason to throw out any reads just yet, even slight ones.

Why not? Reads are what you can use to gather information after a flip, at least that's the norm where I come from. Furthermore, they give you something to talk about, and read others further.

Confirming that I have my role.