The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:34 pm @leetic Do you have reads? Are you game-solving? There's a rumour to the contrary, but I'm not down with rumours, I want to hear it from the man himself.

I'd say TSP, S~V~S, and you can be townleans, and perhaps AS and roxy from meta. Still don't really like LC, and there are still plenty of inactives to sort through.

I guess it's good to know about Loki's ability, although I'm not sure what town can do to counter it. I guess one point to keep in mind is that if wolves use the ability to defend one of their own, it would necessitate a hard TR on the player they're switching with, so I guess we'll have to keep that in mind. I guess that makes the ability not as powerful as it appears at first glance, as if the wrong person gets lynched it's pretty obvious that the failed lynch target is bad, but it can still fuck up -yLo.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:12 pm I felt like Wilgy was Captain America as well.

I agree.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:14 pm
What would you like me to do?

Should I do fuck all and not give reads?

Should I just join games just to post twice a day phase and do nothing?

Is that what we want for games?

Maybe give a wider worldview? Who are your top three wolfreads, excluding me?

Simon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:42 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:14 am @motobot @Simon you both were pretty reluctant to get into it on D1 and both said that more would come after there was info

anything?
I don't actually recall motobot saying that, although I definitely did.

Could you be a bit more specific?

Do you have any reads on anyone?

One thing that gives me pause with AS is that during Kagemusha, which I posted, she was lynched for being a low-poster, which turned out to be a mistake as she had an important PR for town. Her ISO here doesn't really look that different from her ISO there

Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:06 pm
Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:05 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:19 pm Another out of expectation (OoE) is PrincessAbbi. Those 4 posts don’t say much, and not to use the participation card but it’s not what I expect from her
This is the first game I've played where my father hasn't spoken for me (I think) so I'm not used to checking on the conversation
I….uh…sorry, I was talking about the other Abbi and until you just posted I didn’t even know there was another Abbi in this game

But you both can be princesses if you want. I’d prob just call you Princess Sophia for clarification though

How do you do? What’s your read on…say, me, or JJJ right now?
Sorry I thought you were talking about me because PA hadn't posted yet

I haven't seen any reason to think of you as bad...I did at one point consider voting JJJ but I think he's in the clear (for now)

(that game)

Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:46 pm Abigail Sophia didn't actually comment on me but voted for me. Curious.

@Abigail Sophia, why did you click on me?
When I voted, you and Long Con were tied. I didn't want my vote to not matter.

The only person I had any suspicions of was Moto (because he accused LC for seemingly no reason) I didn't want Long Con to be ejected just because of that

I don't know you very well but others were commenting on how you made "wolfy posts" I didn't see it myself but I decided to go with the crowd

I made a mistake and I am sorry

(this game)

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:07 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:04 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:59 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:48 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy
Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.
It read as a reaction test vote to me. Am I missing something?
Reaction test to whom? If to Sig, why do it to someone who's unlikely to respond?
Sig will respond.

Again can you tell me how your vote for LC was proactive?

No one was doing anything, and that vote at least got things started

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:07 pm @leetic also I would say you were right about my read on you in that one game. But you are not giving those same iďgaf vibe in this game tbh.

Without you providing an example of what you mean, it's hard to respond to that allegation. Nonetheless, I will say a sample size of one isn't very reliable.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:04 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:59 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:48 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy
Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.
It read as a reaction test vote to me. Am I missing something?

Reaction test to whom? If to Sig, why do it to someone who's unlikely to respond?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:02 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:56 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:58 pm We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?
What is the difference between Lime and your reactions to your own votes after the fact?

This feels like you are just flinging stuff about to see where it might stick.
Not entirely sure what you are asking? But my votes are more proactive as opposed to Brad's which are more reactive, if that's what you mean.
You got the gist but basically you both came in and provided a reaction to your votes. I don't see the difference in the explanations.

You say your vote was proactive - in what way? You know others look at you as a town leader type you had to know people would follow your vote.

To me what would have been more helpful than just explaining your vote would be for you to look at those who followed you with little or no reasoning.

Like you did with the Wigly vote.

Thanks in advance

I mean, we basically know it's unlikely Wilgy is a wolf, while LC hasn't flipped yet. That does make a difference, especially since as if Wilgy was killed, he must have done something to upset wolves, while there is no reason to believe the same can be said for LC right now. But if you want to look at the people on the wagon, go ahead, I don't think it's particularly productive right now.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:39 pm Also @Roxy re leetics vote, it was sus, yes, but it was also sloppy. He said LC had 2 posts, but when leetic voted he actually had 5. It's a small thing, but I just hosted bad leetic, and bad leetic is pretty careful. His vote felt more off the cuff for me, and "off the cuff" isn't a thing I associate with bad leetic.

It's not "OMG he's towncore" but it's enough for me to find his vote less sus than motos.

I felt it was sloppy and poorly explained.
Town leetic to me is more careful, more calculating with his posts. This game he is doing NOTHING to move the game forward. I haven't seen him respond to any of my questions and that always gives me bad vibes

I mean, in the one game I recall us playing together your read on me wasn't good at all. If anything, I'm less concerned about who I piss off as town, though I wouldn't treat GoC as particularly representative of my town or wolf play, as I was playing to an independent win condition.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:42 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:40 pm [VOTE: leetoc] aubergine
Oops!
[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

Is this a sheep? It seems to come out of nowhere in your progression, aside from maybe being a consequence of your TR on Brad

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:48 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

wyd sigothy

Lazy vote. What makes sig look worse than the other low posters? If anything, there seems to be slightly more substance to his posts, not that that's a high bar to clear.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:58 pm We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?
What is the difference between Lime and your reactions to your own votes after the fact?

This feels like you are just flinging stuff about to see where it might stick.

Not entirely sure what you are asking? But my votes are more proactive as opposed to Brad's which are more reactive, if that's what you mean.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:34 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:30 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
DrWilgy
SVS
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon

Was debating on quoting and adding Wilgy since it's only him but fuck it will post it normal.
Beyond Wilgy dying I don't have any changes to this currently.

Doesn't help my accusation that you aren't doing anything. Is there anything from D2 that changes your worldview of the game? Also, what are your thoughts on TSP, given that he was Wilgy's other suspect?

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:14 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:25 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:17 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:15 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:46 pm I'm fairly used to playing flipless, and it's pretty obvious that Wilgy was town anyway. Might want to look at his ISO.
Why do you think that was obvious?
It's pretty much taken as a given in flipless games that the person flipping has been killed by the wolves. Now that I think about it, there are independents in this game as well, but the intent is the same.

Also got another 500 error so this site isn't cooperating with me
Independents, yes. Also, potential target switches. I don’t think it’s safe to assume he was civ based entirely on his death.
If Wilgy was targeted by wolves, it doesn't particularly matter if he was town or ITP, the intent was the same (discounting wolves having mechanical information, but that seems unlikely N1). As for target switching, do you have a reason why Wilgy would be targeted by such an ability from town?
My point is merely that we don't know enough about the mechanics of roles and powers in this game, to assume much of anything.

For instance, it could be a "if anyone targets you, it bounces back to them." Also, I very much wouldn't qualify Indies as being the same as Civies, in terms of much of anything.

Unless you think the wolves would've known that Wilgy was an ITP when they shot him, it doesn't make a difference in terms of solving

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:42 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:35 am Good morning!
RIP Wilgy, I think that's the power of the open night who get him killed, meaning the wolves are scared by it and killed the one who gave us the possibility to talk.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:29 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:44 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:03 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:54 am Good morning!
The open night I understand it's Wilgy's ability and it's so townie that it makes me happy the chop failed.
what makes it towny lol
The night talk is a nightmare for mafia, because town can talk and find each other. I always think that someone who choses to give an open night it's town

What wouldn't be towny from your pov?
Can you clarify your point here? Do you mean that Epi is civ because he created the game to have open nights?
No, this makes me think it was Wilgy who choose to have an open night
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:11 pm ...

It was late. Instead of taking a car, Dr. Wilgy felt like enjoying the OPEN NIGHT air.
...

Why would I imply the host in my solve anyway?
Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:06 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:56 am I wish to know thoughts from @Abigail Sophia @motobot @Roxy

What do you want to know?

Anything game related, reads, opinions on the night kill, etc.
I get you are not Abigail I know, so if you can tell me things about you as a player it will be useful
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:14 pm
Abigail Sophia wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:06 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:56 am I wish to know thoughts from @Abigail Sophia @motobot @Roxy

What do you want to know?

Well kinda need literally anything from you currently since a full day phase has gone by and there's enough content to dissect.

Thanks Brad, +1
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.

okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's

When he is active he is scary, indeed
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:31 pm OK, Wilgys flip was in purple font, same as the Independent, and Epi address the Avengers in the same orange font

Ergo, Wilgy was either Thanos or Deadpool

But the no flip was also purple, we can't be sure about that until we see a flip who looks different.
I get the 3rds are strong and could survive a chop but also the Avengers are insanely strong, and some can survive as well
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 pm

I gave you an opportunity here to do something...again the only thing you did was look at Wilgy reads and that's it.

Again like I pointed out before there's plenty of content to look at.

Yet the only things that you've done are 1. Vote LC in which you have yet to develop a read on him beyond that and 2. Vote me based off of Wilgy reads and not your own.

Like you've spoken about 2 people. Are you in anti-spew?

Examining the flip is the natural thing to do in this gamestate. What are you doing but tunneling?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:30 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
DrWilgy
SVS
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon

Was debating on quoting and adding Wilgy since it's only him but fuck it will post it normal.

Got an entire list of towns here buddy...once again you lack a worldview...are you in anti-spew?

And what are you actually doing with it? I could put a list of green names with no further elaboration, doesn't mean I'm actually solving the game

You don't see me voting them, right?

If other people vote them then I'll stop them.

Most of them haven't been voted yet.

Do you wanna ask more useless questions for me to rip you in half more and more or do you wanna try solving the game and analyze what other slots are doing?

If at one moment during D1 I wasn't sure where to put Brad, and I came during the night time to him being a villager, this post makes me confident about him.
Brad is town.

I guess we will know eventually if open nights are just the set up of this game (which seems highly likely to me), or if it is a power that someone who is voted for the lynch has.

And I don’t think it likely that the purple font in the post means wiggly was indy. First, I don’t think Epi would do that given the set up. Moreover, the final line announcing day 0 was done is also in that same color.

OP says nights are closed. I somewhat doubt that it was related to Wilgy's survival, as that seems a bit much, but eh.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:17 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:15 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:46 pm I'm fairly used to playing flipless, and it's pretty obvious that Wilgy was town anyway. Might want to look at his ISO.
Why do you think that was obvious?
It's pretty much taken as a given in flipless games that the person flipping has been killed by the wolves. Now that I think about it, there are independents in this game as well, but the intent is the same.

Also got another 500 error so this site isn't cooperating with me
Independents, yes. Also, potential target switches. I don’t think it’s safe to assume he was civ based entirely on his death.

If Wilgy was targeted by wolves, it doesn't particularly matter if he was town or ITP, the intent was the same (discounting wolves having mechanical information, but that seems unlikely N1). As for target switching, do you have a reason why Wilgy would be targeted by such an ability from town?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:47 pm If wilgy had not been nightkilled, how long would it take before we became suspicious of his survival?

I for one wouldn't be suspicious. Wilgy wasn't doing much, and there's a million possible mechanical reasons for his survival that aren't worth speculating on since claiming is disallowed. In fact, if I was a wolf I'd consider killing Wilgy to be too risky as there's a chance he'd survive again and it would be better to prune someone who'd be more likely to die. I find it weirder that he actually was killed.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:16 pm You haven't discussed others at all really.

lol

And I'm the most obvious town in the game

LOL

Yeah, I'm done here (for real this time) unless you want to actually start engaging in good faith

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:04 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:01 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:59 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:56 pm 1 full day phase, 1 full night phase, 8 pages, 8 players with 15+ posts.

You're telling me you have nothing beyond going to me?
Like you're supposed to be a competent player.

If you're town here, then you need to get your head out of your ass and actually solve like you're capable of.

If you don't then I'm going to tunnel your ass out.

And if you're town it's 100% on you because you decided to do fuck all.

And if you're mafia...still step your game up because you're making this easy.
I'm offering you what you want, but apparently you just want to repeat the same things ad nauseum lol. Why should I believe that you're acting in good faith?
I gave you an opportunity by pinging you earlier.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:28 am @leetic

I know you said you were busy but why haven't you like...actually done anything at all when you're here? Only thing you've talked about is LC. That's really it beyond the Wilgy wagon and that's a pile of nothing.
I'm opening the door for you to get thoughts or reads or literally anything in.

And then what you did...not only ignored that ping, but then proceeded to go after me.

Except I have discussed a few others, which you would know if you weren't willfully ignoring like half my ISO.

If you're going to go after me when I opened the door to work with you and give you the opportunity to do something...then yeah I'm gonna rip your throat out.

Oh boo hoo, woe is me blah blah blah. If you want me to stop going after you, maybe try toning down the tunnel or, barring that, at least engage in good faith. Giving people the opportunity to work with you is something that you should be doing in general, acting like you deserve special treatment for that is wolfy if anything.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:59 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:56 pm 1 full day phase, 1 full night phase, 8 pages, 8 players with 15+ posts.

You're telling me you have nothing beyond going to me?
Like you're supposed to be a competent player.

If you're town here, then you need to get your head out of your ass and actually solve like you're capable of.

If you don't then I'm going to tunnel your ass out.

And if you're town it's 100% on you because you decided to do fuck all.

And if you're mafia...still step your game up because you're making this easy.

I'm offering you what you want, but apparently you just want to repeat the same things ad nauseum lol. Why should I believe that you're acting in good faith?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:56 pm 1 full day phase, 1 full night phase, 8 pages, 8 players with 15+ posts.

You're telling me you have nothing beyond going to me?

Isn't engaging with people, like, a large part of the game of mafia? I don't know, I've only been playing for what, nine years, but I kinda had that impression

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:51 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:42 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:39 pm Brad: "You haven't tried building a worldview"

Leetic: "Waaaaah! But you haven't done anything besides tunnel me! "

Brad: "I have a list of townreads here and you've done nothing."

Leetic: "Waaaaah but you're just tunneling me!"

This is your game?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm

okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's
Dude any time I'm in a game with him he low posts and ends up yeeted like he was here.

Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but yeah.
I do find this post a little telling though, since you so easily jumped on his wagon. Was he really a wolf in all of those games? That seems "convenient", as it's a deliberate vote on someone seen as LHF while say what you will about my votes but they were likely to receive pushback.
I'm not gonna let this point fade away, because the more you keep ignoring it the more obvious it becomes you have something to hide. Sorry, but not playing your game anymore. Also, I gave you something to do other than tunnel me, but I guess you have other plans.
You have yet to form a worldview when I've been poking you to do so yourself so why the fuck would I respond to your point when you've done fuck all?
Yeah, I'm done here. If "answering one simple question" is on the same level as "get a worldview of every single player in the game", there's nothing more to be achieved here. You are staying high on my suspect list, and that's that.
I'm not even asking for the entire playerlist...literally you've spoken about 2 people. There's 8 other players that have 15 or more posts and yet you're telling me you have nothing on them?

How 'bout this: You respond (in good faith) to my suspicion and my question to TSP, and then I'll give my reads of any five players of your choosing. Sound fair?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:42 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:39 pm Brad: "You haven't tried building a worldview"

Leetic: "Waaaaah! But you haven't done anything besides tunnel me! "

Brad: "I have a list of townreads here and you've done nothing."

Leetic: "Waaaaah but you're just tunneling me!"

This is your game?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's
Dude any time I'm in a game with him he low posts and ends up yeeted like he was here.

Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but yeah.
I do find this post a little telling though, since you so easily jumped on his wagon. Was he really a wolf in all of those games? That seems "convenient", as it's a deliberate vote on someone seen as LHF while say what you will about my votes but they were likely to receive pushback.
I'm not gonna let this point fade away, because the more you keep ignoring it the more obvious it becomes you have something to hide. Sorry, but not playing your game anymore. Also, I gave you something to do other than tunnel me, but I guess you have other plans.
You have yet to form a worldview when I've been poking you to do so yourself so why the fuck would I respond to your point when you've done fuck all?

Yeah, I'm done here. If "answering one simple question" is on the same level as "get a worldview of every single player in the game", there's nothing more to be achieved here. You are staying high on my suspect list, and that's that.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:39 pm Brad: "You haven't tried building a worldview"

Leetic: "Waaaaah! But you haven't done anything besides tunnel me! "

Brad: "I have a list of townreads here and you've done nothing."

Leetic: "Waaaaah but you're just tunneling me!"

This is your game?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's
Dude any time I'm in a game with him he low posts and ends up yeeted like he was here.

Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but yeah.
I do find this post a little telling though, since you so easily jumped on his wagon. Was he really a wolf in all of those games? That seems "convenient", as it's a deliberate vote on someone seen as LHF while say what you will about my votes but they were likely to receive pushback.

I'm not gonna let this point fade away, because the more you keep ignoring it the more obvious it becomes you have something to hide. Sorry, but not playing your game anymore. Also, I gave you something to do other than tunnel me, but I guess you have other plans.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:34 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:22 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 pm

You don't see me voting them, right?

If other people vote them then I'll stop them.

Most of them haven't been voted yet.

Do you wanna ask more useless questions for me to rip you in half more and more or do you wanna try solving the game and analyze what other slots are doing?
So you not doing something means you're doing something? Makes perfect sense. You do know what "tunneling" is, right?
Yes indeed I do. But you're still sitting here doing nothing but complaining about me tunneling.
You know, I have made actual points against your slot

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm

okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's
Dude any time I'm in a game with him he low posts and ends up yeeted like he was here.

Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but yeah.
I do find this post a little telling though, since you so easily jumped on his wagon. Was he really a wolf in all of those games? That seems "convenient", as it's a deliberate vote on someone seen as LHF while say what you will about my votes but they were likely to receive pushback.
But sure, keep ignoring them, for that truly eases my concerns.
I said "you haven't been building a worldview" which...that isn't it at all.

That's just 1 read...that isn't even yours.

You've been here for a couple of hours and yet you've yet to do anything else besides talk about me.
I nominate Brad for the 2024 "Did you even read my post?" award!
You haven't spoken about my points at all either so...pot meet kettle?

"Points"? More like the same point you repeat ad nauseum, but eh, I'll admit it. Wilgy can see into the future, and he knew that you would make that wolfy post, so when I called out that wolfy post I really was following Wilgy's read from before that post even existed. You got me.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:22 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:11 pm

Got an entire list of towns here buddy...once again you lack a worldview...are you in anti-spew?
And what are you actually doing with it? I could put a list of green names with no further elaboration, doesn't mean I'm actually solving the game
You don't see me voting them, right?

If other people vote them then I'll stop them.

Most of them haven't been voted yet.

Do you wanna ask more useless questions for me to rip you in half more and more or do you wanna try solving the game and analyze what other slots are doing?
So you not doing something means you're doing something? Makes perfect sense. You do know what "tunneling" is, right?
Yes indeed I do. But you're still sitting here doing nothing but complaining about me tunneling.
You know, I have made actual points against your slot

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's
Dude any time I'm in a game with him he low posts and ends up yeeted like he was here.

Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but yeah.
I do find this post a little telling though, since you so easily jumped on his wagon. Was he really a wolf in all of those games? That seems "convenient", as it's a deliberate vote on someone seen as LHF while say what you will about my votes but they were likely to receive pushback.
But sure, keep ignoring them, for that truly eases my concerns.
I said "you haven't been building a worldview" which...that isn't it at all.

That's just 1 read...that isn't even yours.

You've been here for a couple of hours and yet you've yet to do anything else besides talk about me.

I nominate Brad for the 2024 "Did you even read my post?" award!

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:26 pm Like Leetic you're supposed to be better than this right?

You're a big boy, you can towntell and solve if you're town.

Either get to stepping and hit the bricks fam.

You say that, as if you're doing anything other than hard tunneling right now. But I'll let you do something else: What are your thoughts on TSP's reentrance into the thread?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:22 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 pm

I gave you an opportunity here to do something...again the only thing you did was look at Wilgy reads and that's it.

Again like I pointed out before there's plenty of content to look at.

Yet the only things that you've done are 1. Vote LC in which you have yet to develop a read on him beyond that and 2. Vote me based off of Wilgy reads and not your own.

Like you've spoken about 2 people. Are you in anti-spew?
Examining the flip is the natural thing to do in this gamestate. What are you doing but tunneling?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:30 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
DrWilgy
SVS
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon

Was debating on quoting and adding Wilgy since it's only him but fuck it will post it normal.
Got an entire list of towns here buddy...once again you lack a worldview...are you in anti-spew?
And what are you actually doing with it? I could put a list of green names with no further elaboration, doesn't mean I'm actually solving the game
You don't see me voting them, right?

If other people vote them then I'll stop them.

Most of them haven't been voted yet.

Do you wanna ask more useless questions for me to rip you in half more and more or do you wanna try solving the game and analyze what other slots are doing?
So you not doing something means you're doing something? Makes perfect sense. You do know what "tunneling" is, right?
Yes indeed I do. But you're still sitting here doing nothing but complaining about me tunneling.

You know, I have made actual points against your slot

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:02 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's
Dude any time I'm in a game with him he low posts and ends up yeeted like he was here.

Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but yeah.
I do find this post a little telling though, since you so easily jumped on his wagon. Was he really a wolf in all of those games? That seems "convenient", as it's a deliberate vote on someone seen as LHF while say what you will about my votes but they were likely to receive pushback.

But sure, keep ignoring them, for that truly eases my concerns.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:28 am @leetic

I know you said you were busy but why haven't you like...actually done anything at all when you're here? Only thing you've talked about is LC. That's really it beyond the Wilgy wagon and that's a pile of nothing.
I gave you an opportunity here to do something...again the only thing you did was look at Wilgy reads and that's it.

Again like I pointed out before there's plenty of content to look at.

Yet the only things that you've done are 1. Vote LC in which you have yet to develop a read on him beyond that and 2. Vote me based off of Wilgy reads and not your own.

Like you've spoken about 2 people. Are you in anti-spew?
Examining the flip is the natural thing to do in this gamestate. What are you doing but tunneling?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:30 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
DrWilgy
SVS
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon

Was debating on quoting and adding Wilgy since it's only him but fuck it will post it normal.
Got an entire list of towns here buddy...once again you lack a worldview...are you in anti-spew?
And what are you actually doing with it? I could put a list of green names with no further elaboration, doesn't mean I'm actually solving the game
You don't see me voting them, right?

If other people vote them then I'll stop them.

Most of them haven't been voted yet.

Do you wanna ask more useless questions for me to rip you in half more and more or do you wanna try solving the game and analyze what other slots are doing?

So you not doing something means you're doing something? Makes perfect sense. You do know what "tunneling" is, right?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:16 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:13 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:07 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:04 pm
do you generally find being a pedant to be a fun and effective use of time? do you feel you have perhaps intentionally misinterpreted my sentence in order to pat yourself on the back for an epic comeback?
And you're misinterpreting mine, as I said Wilgy barely did anything D1 and his lack of interactions with other players makes the ones that exist more significant, but whatever, if all you have is dismissals and no actual counterarguments I don't think we're gonna make any real progress here.
did you though

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:54 pm SO we have 2 types of Wilgy voters.

Brad and TSP attempted to justify it when there wasn't really any justification needed. Porscha and Abigail Sophia didn't.

AS's activity is 'fine' for someone who didn't justify. I don't have the numbers to know if there was anyone pushed out of the lead when AS voted or not, if someone knows that'd be useful.

Porscha I'll need to ISO for activity. The vote becomes worse the more attentive/opinionated Porscha has been this game.

Brad's kinda the worst of them? There was no iso to read on me, so the justification is crem. Even the sheeping of Porscha's vote which was described as just an RVS vote that didn't move is crem.

TSP I can see a town thinking 'well they aren't on my mind so wolf?' the backtracking checks out there from that perspective. I don't know if I expect W TSP to make up a reason to vote me when none is needed. In other words, is still crem, not as bad as Brad crem, SHOULD ISO for activity.
This post looks the worst for Brad, though I'm not sure Brad is the type to kill those who suspect him (though I've played three games with w!Brad, in two we were in opposite threads and the third he was in a hydra mainly driven by the other head). The other suspicions could be argued out of, so I'm not sure that those alone would be reason for a kill.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:52 pm Wilgy didn't really comment on anybody other than his voters, which means there is little we can really get from the flip (on Wilgy's end, at least). Perhaps wolves were concerned about Wilgy having a special ability since he didn't die yesterday, maybe they wanted a kill town would get little information from (though the latter interpretation is a bit questionable, as I believe most people have mentioned Wilgy by now?)

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:58 pm We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?

Thank you for that super high effort analysis, it truly gives me a lot to respond to
And yet your analysis is non-existent.

Sure, if you ignore the entire content of my posts. Which granted, several people seem wont to do

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:28 am @leetic

I know you said you were busy but why haven't you like...actually done anything at all when you're here? Only thing you've talked about is LC. That's really it beyond the Wilgy wagon and that's a pile of nothing.
I gave you an opportunity here to do something...again the only thing you did was look at Wilgy reads and that's it.

Again like I pointed out before there's plenty of content to look at.

Yet the only things that you've done are 1. Vote LC in which you have yet to develop a read on him beyond that and 2. Vote me based off of Wilgy reads and not your own.

Like you've spoken about 2 people. Are you in anti-spew?
Examining the flip is the natural thing to do in this gamestate. What are you doing but tunneling?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:30 am Townread:
Porschaaaaaaa
Michelle
DrWilgy
SVS
Falcon

Townlean:
Syn
Simon

Was debating on quoting and adding Wilgy since it's only him but fuck it will post it normal.
Got an entire list of towns here buddy...once again you lack a worldview...are you in anti-spew?

And what are you actually doing with it? I could put a list of green names with no further elaboration, doesn't mean I'm actually solving the game

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:13 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:07 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:04 pm
do you generally find being a pedant to be a fun and effective use of time? do you feel you have perhaps intentionally misinterpreted my sentence in order to pat yourself on the back for an epic comeback?
And you're misinterpreting mine, as I said Wilgy barely did anything D1 and his lack of interactions with other players makes the ones that exist more significant, but whatever, if all you have is dismissals and no actual counterarguments I don't think we're gonna make any real progress here.
did you though

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:54 pm SO we have 2 types of Wilgy voters.

Brad and TSP attempted to justify it when there wasn't really any justification needed. Porscha and Abigail Sophia didn't.

AS's activity is 'fine' for someone who didn't justify. I don't have the numbers to know if there was anyone pushed out of the lead when AS voted or not, if someone knows that'd be useful.

Porscha I'll need to ISO for activity. The vote becomes worse the more attentive/opinionated Porscha has been this game.

Brad's kinda the worst of them? There was no iso to read on me, so the justification is crem. Even the sheeping of Porscha's vote which was described as just an RVS vote that didn't move is crem.

TSP I can see a town thinking 'well they aren't on my mind so wolf?' the backtracking checks out there from that perspective. I don't know if I expect W TSP to make up a reason to vote me when none is needed. In other words, is still crem, not as bad as Brad crem, SHOULD ISO for activity.
This post looks the worst for Brad, though I'm not sure Brad is the type to kill those who suspect him (though I've played three games with w!Brad, in two we were in opposite threads and the third he was in a hydra mainly driven by the other head). The other suspicions could be argued out of, so I'm not sure that those alone would be reason for a kill.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:52 pm Wilgy didn't really comment on anybody other than his voters, which means there is little we can really get from the flip (on Wilgy's end, at least). Perhaps wolves were concerned about Wilgy having a special ability since he didn't die yesterday, maybe they wanted a kill town would get little information from (though the latter interpretation is a bit questionable, as I believe most people have mentioned Wilgy by now?)

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:58 pm We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?

Thank you for that super high effort analysis, it truly gives me a lot to respond to

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:04 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:43 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:26 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:58 pm We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?
dunno if this is pre-existing bias but this feels awfully convenient
As does this. Actually want to engage with my viewpoints?
seemed like a direct engagement to me, given that I directly quoted you and specifically said your vote and reasoning for it is awfully convenient

you even made a point of saying wilgy barely did anything yet you're basing your case on his posts and acting like him having a "main suspect" can even possibly mean anything on a lackluster D1
"Feels awfully convenient" is just a dismissal, not actually engaging with any of my reasoning. Also, if you were paying attention you'd notice the post I was quoting was from after D1, but I suppose that is a minor point. After all, it's not as if missing obvious details like that makes your case on me look "convenient" does it?
do you generally find being a pedant to be a fun and effective use of time? do you feel you have perhaps intentionally misinterpreted my sentence in order to pat yourself on the back for an epic comeback?

And you're misinterpreting mine, as I said Wilgy barely did anything D1 and his lack of interactions with other players makes the ones that exist more significant, but whatever, if all you have is dismissals and no actual counterarguments I don't think we're gonna make any real progress here.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:39 pm Also @Roxy re leetics vote, it was sus, yes, but it was also sloppy. He said LC had 2 posts, but when leetic voted he actually had 5. It's a small thing, but I just hosted bad leetic, and bad leetic is pretty careful. His vote felt more off the cuff for me, and "off the cuff" isn't a thing I associate with bad leetic.

It's not "OMG he's towncore" but it's enough for me to find his vote less sus than motos.

2 posts D1 at that point, I didn't count the posts from D0, of which I didn't really care for anyone's D0 posts. Just making that little correction.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:25 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:35 pm Like trying to say this in the nicest way possible but the dude isn't as active or as scary of a player that I'd instantly night kill, even if he was mech cleared.

There's plenty of others here that I'd consider threatening to me if I was mafia against them that I'd kill over Wilgy.
okay this is kind of silly though lol wilgy won best villager in a game AND best wolf in the socky's
Dude any time I'm in a game with him he low posts and ends up yeeted like he was here.

Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful but yeah.

I do find this post a little telling though, since you so easily jumped on his wagon. Was he really a wolf in all of those games? That seems "convenient", as it's a deliberate vote on someone seen as LHF while say what you will about my votes but they were likely to receive pushback.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:28 am @leetic

I know you said you were busy but why haven't you like...actually done anything at all when you're here? Only thing you've talked about is LC. That's really it beyond the Wilgy wagon and that's a pile of nothing.
I gave you an opportunity here to do something...again the only thing you did was look at Wilgy reads and that's it.

Again like I pointed out before there's plenty of content to look at.

Yet the only things that you've done are 1. Vote LC in which you have yet to develop a read on him beyond that and 2. Vote me based off of Wilgy reads and not your own.

Like you've spoken about 2 people. Are you in anti-spew?

Examining the flip is the natural thing to do in this gamestate. What are you doing but tunneling?

Another question that must be considered is, were the wolves sure that Wilgy would be killed? Given that Wilgy had cheated death earlier, it would seem like a risky move to me. They must have had a good reason, or we're dealing with RM shenanigans or w/e.

So Michelle and S~V~S (and Porscha?) were the ones to think that the fact Wilgy didn't die at EoD1 made him towny. Probably not enough players to make Wilgy unlynchable, but I can't discount the possibility of it having skewed the wolves' choice, especially if they agreed with the assessment (though I'm not sure they'd state as much in the thread).

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:26 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:58 pm We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?
dunno if this is pre-existing bias but this feels awfully convenient
As does this. Actually want to engage with my viewpoints?
seemed like a direct engagement to me, given that I directly quoted you and specifically said your vote and reasoning for it is awfully convenient

you even made a point of saying wilgy barely did anything yet you're basing your case on his posts and acting like him having a "main suspect" can even possibly mean anything on a lackluster D1

"Feels awfully convenient" is just a dismissal, not actually engaging with any of my reasoning. Also, if you were paying attention you'd notice the post I was quoting was from after D1, but I suppose that is a minor point. After all, it's not as if missing obvious details like that makes your case on me look "convenient" does it?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:15 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:13 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:37 pm And yeah kinda agreeing with Syn here that your vote on me is pretty convenient, especially since I've been pinging you and calling you out to do shit. Which your only thing to do is to look at the night kill, see one read that the dead guy was making, and vote that.

Like I've seen you be way more into games and actually interrogating people to do shit during games.

Where is that, here?

@leetic
I know you can do better than making a lame OMGUS. Where is that here?

Also, am I the only one getting 500 errors from this site?
I started talking about you being suspicious first and pinged you to do shit.

You refused to do anything after that.

If anything you're the one with a lazy ass OMGUS.

When did I ever mention your "suspicion" of me in my case? That's not an OMGUS.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:46 pm I'm fairly used to playing flipless, and it's pretty obvious that Wilgy was town anyway. Might want to look at his ISO.
Why do you think that was obvious?

It's pretty much taken as a given in flipless games that the person flipping has been killed by the wolves. Now that I think about it, there are independents in this game as well, but the intent is the same.

Also got another 500 error so this site isn't cooperating with me

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:37 pm And yeah kinda agreeing with Syn here that your vote on me is pretty convenient, especially since I've been pinging you and calling you out to do shit. Which your only thing to do is to look at the night kill, see one read that the dead guy was making, and vote that.

Like I've seen you be way more into games and actually interrogating people to do shit during games.

Where is that, here?

@leetic

I know you can do better than making a lame OMGUS. Where is that here?

Also, am I the only one getting 500 errors from this site?

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:58 pm We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?
dunno if this is pre-existing bias but this feels awfully convenient

As does this. Actually want to engage with my viewpoints?

We should probably get things started here, so [VOTE: Brad] aubergine. You can't go wrong with voting the main suspect of the guy that just got killed. His "I totally regret not switching my vote" thing also does not look good; why would you regret it if you didn't know Wilgy was town?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:03 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:54 am Good morning!
The open night I understand it's Wilgy's ability and it's so townie that it makes me happy the chop failed.
what makes it towny lol
Well Epi said this was old school, and old school a yeet *stop* was a town role, and a yeet *switch* was a wolf role.

Doesn’t make it that way automatically, but it was my first thought too.

There are a few ways this could have happened, for instance there could have been a governor, Wilgy could be deathproof, or there could be shenanigans with secret voting and tie mechanics. I'm not sure why a governor (besides Wilgy himself) would feel that Wilgy was particularly worth saving bassed on his D1, though.

Wilgy didn't really comment on anybody other than his voters, which means there is little we can really get from the flip (on Wilgy's end, at least). Perhaps wolves were concerned about Wilgy having a special ability since he didn't die yesterday, maybe they wanted a kill town would get little information from (though the latter interpretation is a bit questionable, as I believe most people have mentioned Wilgy by now?)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:54 pm SO we have 2 types of Wilgy voters.

Brad and TSP attempted to justify it when there wasn't really any justification needed. Porscha and Abigail Sophia didn't.

AS's activity is 'fine' for someone who didn't justify. I don't have the numbers to know if there was anyone pushed out of the lead when AS voted or not, if someone knows that'd be useful.

Porscha I'll need to ISO for activity. The vote becomes worse the more attentive/opinionated Porscha has been this game.

Brad's kinda the worst of them? There was no iso to read on me, so the justification is crem. Even the sheeping of Porscha's vote which was described as just an RVS vote that didn't move is crem.

TSP I can see a town thinking 'well they aren't on my mind so wolf?' the backtracking checks out there from that perspective. I don't know if I expect W TSP to make up a reason to vote me when none is needed. In other words, is still crem, not as bad as Brad crem, SHOULD ISO for activity.

This post looks the worst for Brad, though I'm not sure Brad is the type to kill those who suspect him (though I've played three games with w!Brad, in two we were in opposite threads and the third he was in a hydra mainly driven by the other head). The other suspicions could be argued out of, so I'm not sure that those alone would be reason for a kill.

I'm fairly used to playing flipless, and it's pretty obvious that Wilgy was town anyway. Might want to look at his ISO.

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