The Syndicate

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:13 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:06 pm SORRY Epi didnt mean to blank you ;0;

@Epignosis mainly wanted to run through your worldview and contrast it with mine if possible?

Right now I have Porscha/Leetic/Abi/Seanzie/TSP/LC/Soonei as my main bundle of townreads. Still a pretty bulky list I guess? But I can run through them better than what I could my list from yesterday. Would like to see where your thoughts differ

Don't really have one. I have less than (less than) fifty minutes to figure out where my vote it going if it isn't staying on you (because I'm working, cooking, etc etc.).

I'm currently most interested in Seanzie's "revelation" regarding Porscha, both of whom you say are good.

You haven't voted yet at all. A big list of good guys must mean there's a small list of bad guys. Where you going today?

Will probably just support wherever the bulk of my townreads go, to be honest x_x last two days havent been brilliant in terms of me being able to check in and I feel like since my reads have shifted so much that its like "I dont think I have any sortve strong reads & would rather take the night to try refocus my thoughts"

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:57 pm Just ask yourselves, why would a wolf do anything Ive done

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:28 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:03 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:37 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:13 am While Epi is working on his analyses of the player interactions, I'll start to work on mine so that they won't be biased by his. Not gonna look at N0, since it's a bunch of crap and pyxxy did jack there anyways.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:20 pm I’ll add to the scrappy doo stuff some more.

As already said they were a sock third party. The owner lucy had some goal that I can’t remember now, but it did have voting power and could be killed.

Also falcon was on my team that game not TSP.


I like LC train of thought on the secret Santa thing, that seems very much within his town meta.

Epi is a gut town read.

I’m liking Abigail posts even though she’s creating a town core

I’m eyeing Daisy right now, her play style right now reminds me of muppets, where she was present but a bit flatflooted being mafia.

Not a mention of pyxxy but the Daisy stuff looks odd in hindsight. What "playstyle" was she demonstrating by just posting one NGR post saying she's busy and then dipping?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:59 pm I like the Sean case from LC, but I see he and the rest of my town reads are on Pyxxy so I’ll be sheeping that for right now as I catch up and all

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

No mentions of pyxxy until this last-minute vote. Like I said before, this looks like so obviously a bus that I doubt a player who's been around as long as Sig would actually go for it. Saying his townreads are on pyxxy does seem like a way to pass the buck, so I guess that's one small point against them being aligned, but it's still such a convenient excuse that I can't rule them out being wolf overall.

She (Daisy) was around or so I thought, just lurking more. This was in line with how she played Baby Muppet where we were both mafia together. So I was thinking that was her approach here. Given that she was mod killed and flipped town it's now pretty clear she ended up not having the time to play.

Yea Pyxxy wasn't really on my radar, but I didn't want to not vote so i joined the wagon

Having said that I did think I had more time to review, buuuuut, I probably wasn't going to hard push anyone. I don't have any really solid mafia reads or really even that many lock towns so I'm taking a more back seat approach for the time being.

For the record, it looks like Daisy was shot, not modkilled. Possibly a lurker vig.

oh I think I get it lol

What do you think you get?

I'll just say i agree with you that it wasnt mod kill

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:25 pm Also I’m here, I’m aware of the actual time of eod, and I’m ready to put in a tiny bit of effort.

Starting with saying that the votes on me are very weak and I’m pretty sure Falcon is mafia.

So I’ll be voting there [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:10 pm
Abi is actually mafia, got Cait to Town read her, then killed her. Now she can pull the Ike/Silver maneuver if anyone says she's mafia.

I think you've forgotten how that bizarre dynamic worked.

hahaha I always enjoyed it but then again I didn’t have to host them

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:29 am In regards to me:

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:39 am

Spoiler: show

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:01 am Half a crowd, more comfy.

Scanning some N0, solely from people transferred to this facility.

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What is lamist?

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Caitlin - High poster pace, already feels like a chore to scan 80+ posts & lost focus halfway through tbh. Vibe was that she did a lot of convo and tells, but could have felt more substantive. Gonna rewind it later, in more depth, or just null it.

Delta - sticks out to me that most of their developed reads/gth (#608) happened off-screen (no argument or interaction with any of the mentioned except Sabi and leetic)

Epignosis - nothing of substance N0

falcon - enigma. fluff-a-thon

leetic - unpleasant tone vibes through almost all N0. only argument I found ok is the critique of Alison's take. early deems N0 content near-worthless, but then creates further "worthless" convo replying. quite aggro convo with nutella on the "interesting" debate and I fail to sense why such tone was needed - also bit of a piggyback from Guillotine's initial take. (side-note: would not exclude the chance of w/w between them and nutella, i.e. distancing fuel)

Long Con - chilled out N0

Porscha - bantered with several, couple of suss's. no ping, though if I'd nitpick, it'd be that out of them suss's, one on Alison feels like could have been more elaborated and one on sig is rather far orbit

Abigail - I've read everything and none of it was enlightening. also, as far as that wake-up-caitlin debate is concerned, though this would be more of a critique of Alison: apart from mental gymnastics, I see near-zero reason for wolves to do this in thread, N0

pyxxy - embarks on meme highway N0

Seanzie - off-screen small lean-list right off the bat

Scrappy who ??

sig - why have some treated sig as lhf/low-post, right now they have about the same amount of N0 as half of those in this group? on surmising town-helpful mindsets, one I can agree with (unlinking players as w/w too early, wrt Guillotine) and one I do not (negative / heated stuff demotivating town)

Sloonei - Sloonei appears to be playing this game

Spacedaisy - Kami

TSP - claimed slank N0

"embarks on meme highway N0". There are others who they posted similarly meaningless stuff on, so the pyxxy "read" doesn't stand out in that way at least.

If players did not post at all or did not post anything relevant during N0, I merely described what they did and left it at that. Same for Epignosis, Falcon, Sloonei.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:39 am

Spoiler: show

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:18 am Completing this

Green badge
Epignosis - Townlean'd for his hunt effort and tone (and melded on his leetic critique) on his early D1. Less focused stuff mid D1.
Porscha - All her interests give me a "doing her thing" impression. Some suss felt out of bound - for instance, can't say I meld much with the sig take [later edit: I now just might, after all, see note sig], but I can accept it's her particular style of reading. Meta vibe nitpick: dunno why I had reminiscence of town!Porscha being more engaged.

Pass card
Caitlin - Excused herself with real life stuff. Slight townie point on pondering aloud how to use the santa gifting optimally.
Seanzie* - Just to get nothingburger'd: no major issue with atm. Wish I'd meta-remember if his questioning those who give him a pass more than those who give him stinkeye would be AI. One developed lead (falcon), then nothing as consistent (shading players giving him a pass, sudden delta vote).

Null camp
LC - didn't pay attention to him all phase long tbh
TSP - so unserious in everything (non-fluff) put forth
Abigail - Null slight towards a pass tbh. GTH is "scattered". Some reads are focused and fine (especially later on during Day), others brushed off, unreasoned or drawn from a meta hat. Labeled NAI everything about leetic's tone, then voted them why exactly?

Invisibile sector
Spacedaisy - absent. Weird to miss this much of the phase, but couldn't say if it's AI in some way.
pyxxy - absent. Maybe got shipped to "North (Korea) Facility"

Zone of concern
Sloonei - even since yesterday his activity gave me a strong impression of "skirting". Reads amount to poking "least-talked about" or absent players, plus a non-finalized suss on leetic. Heaviest candidate for me of a player I can't get a sense where he's playing at.
falcon* - Seanzie and Sloonei votes I can just about understand as poke votes, otherwise no real depth in his hunting
sig - re-read got me concerned the facility split ideas seem a bit too specific and suss of TMI. don't like his reads amounting to just a LHF topic (absent player)
Delta - signaled trying to catch up, but every take following that feels wishy-washy.

Elim slot
leetic - no change. a few better posts of "roasting" others' take. underwhelming, defensive, convoluted rebuttal to Epignosis giving them a chance to develop reads was Epignosis (pushback on his case) and the sock account (out of some rationale that it is not town)

N/A
Scrappy Doo - I would need more meta on how this sock shenanigan played out. So far the sock player has done nothing serious and don't think there's info on what they would be allowed to do in-game.


*Back-of-mind, slight tinfoil on the timing of Seanzie suss'ing falcon that he's not exhibiting t!world sharpness, only for falcon to come right after and play more on-point, quizzing etc. Perchance a w/w signal or distancing or at least one wolf in this interaction?

pyxxy is in the "Invisibile sector" with the one-poster. Were they really the second least active player at that time? I'll have to check, although basically ignoring them isn't the greatest sign — although, would they be bold enough to single out their partner in this section, when they may be the only partner they have in this thread? Given it's in the middle of the post, where people tend to zone out, maybe?

I do believe or did believe, at that time of writing, that pyxxy had not posted at all. Hence the categorisation alongside equal zero-poster Daisy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:31 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:37 pm hihi o/ here sorry

@Epignosis the reason I focused pyxxy there is because both games we've been in so far, and now this one, we've been v/w but have hoped for a v/v rand. I joined the mountainous game to play w/ pyxxy again & similar here where my main thought there was "oh if pyxxy is v id like to be some sort of lifeline here"

That is... weirdly, weirdly specific. It warrants two consecutive adverbs from me, which happen to be the same ones.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:10 pm
Abi is actually mafia, got Cait to Town read her, then killed her. Now she can pull the Ike/Silver maneuver if anyone says she's mafia.

I think you've forgotten how that bizarre dynamic worked.

Brings me back to the very first game I've played on here. Man, what a throwback.

Which one was that?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:10 pm
Abi is actually mafia, got Cait to Town read her, then killed her. Now she can pull the Ike/Silver maneuver if anyone says she's mafia.

I think you've forgotten how that bizarre dynamic worked.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:09 pm
The only useful thing I've gotten from your posts is a new band name.

Spoiler: show

The Pyxxy Scientists

Guitar & keys secured, what's leetic playin?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:40 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:33 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:54 am [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

blow me tbh

Nice OMGUS you have there

this isn't omgus b/c you dont suspect me

i'm just "doing something about it"

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:39 am therefore, I would perhaps consider the argument that you might squint your eyes at me for saying it as a means performance, to appear town. but you didnt, because you don't actually believe what you're saying, you just found a random remark to grab onto because you can make a level 0 argument that a town ... what did you call it? "second guess" (no I didnt - I said it out loud with no second guessing or confusion) what makes them look wolfy.

wolves have no incentive to look wolfy in the thread. you know that. I know that. we all know that. so why are you trying to push a super fake narrative? lmao

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:32 am maybe the issue is that the phrase "waste of time" is throwing you guys off. I mean it's laughably redundant.

Having multiple perspectives on this avoids confirmation bias and makes it less likely only wolves are leading the discussion. It also holds the analysts as accountable as anyone else and allows us to get information by comparing where the analyses agree and disagree. What useful stuff are you doing right now besides trying to shut down other people's efforts?

it also allows a wolf to just push a narrative since all the town are doing the exact same thing and nobody can really tell anything apart from the other guy's. you mean to tell me, that god forbid we make it to day 7 or something, you're going to go back to the other 3's iso's from today and search and find every single post they made about analyzing pyxxy, the guy who died day 1 with almost no spew, and then also act like it will mean something that far into the game when we have so many other flips and so much other spew, that nothing is really worth being held accountable for because so many changes have occurred that a lack of change in stance or evaluation would be almost unthinkable?

come on now. this game of champs. I dont know who you think you are fooling with this white knighting of <not specifically rico> but the group. the group doesnt need your defense, and you didn't even specifically defend rico, so what are you doing? just finding something to argue about because it's easy to argue the validity of doing analysis? yeah, it's mega easy to do that. it requires no critical thought. I very specifically stated that I think there is a likelihood that a wolf would be doing what the other town are doing to blend in and appear like they are doing something and being helpful - and you can't argue that, because a town wouldn't know and a wolf would never just admit it. You can argue analysis is good. I'm not saying analysis is bad. So you're arguing against nothing.

Tell me every single person who has participated in the great pyxxy-ing is town and tell me why. And if you strawman me one more fucking time, I'm really going to McLose it. So why don't you construct a real argument that shows me you actually care and have any REAL suspicions of something worth considering - because so far, all you have done is throw over baked suspicion at literally anything you hope might stick to the wall. You're performatively cranky, performatively suspicious, trying to latch onto me because you think you can dodge my real concern and strawman the argument into being about the objective validity of analysis - which was never my argument or conversation. And I think you know that. And if you didnt - you do now.



@leetic

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:24 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:01 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:16 am I didn't really want to be on Seanzie, alongside falcon, at the end of the day. I had long intended to move my vote by the end, and my longtime expectation was to move it on to leetic. Later, I thought I might move it to falcon, which Caitlin agreed with, but Abi was insistent that falcon was town. I wasn't reliably in-thread until closer to the deadline than I would have liked, and so I did catch-up and got a post or two in, and supported the popular pyxxy vote. Switching that late is kind of a wet fart, but it was just what I had planned to do in some form.

I'm not really sure I buy this "pyxxy was just the most convenient option" narrative when your post before your vote seemed pretty certain they would flip wolf.

Okay, well I didn't say that, did I? I said I supported the pyxxy vote, as in, I agreed by that point that putting pyxxy over was looking like our best option.

My post before was to call out pyxxy about the game we just finished together. pyxxy said something about that game (to paraphrase) mentally exhausting them as the sole wolf going through the last two yeets. As a fellow player to the end, I was one of the most able to call bullshit on that, since I had just lived it. It was a false portrayal of his necessary effort in that game, in my opinion.

That's what that post was calling him out on. I don't understand how you are interpreting it as me being "pretty certain they'd flip wolf".

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:55 pm I don't think pyxxy had to strain so hard for that win, my experience is that he was able to mostly sit back and let it happen after a great bussing vote.

Can you justify your conclusion about my meaning again, please, while you, I, and the post are all in the same room?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:54 am [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

blow me tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:37 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:36 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:33 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:20 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:55 am has all 3-4 of you who quote the same 10 posts from him and spend time control+f'ing 13 other players in the game gotten us anywhere? it's been over 24 hours. let's be honest with ourselves

And what are you gonna do about it?

like, do you think every single person doing it is town? why aren't you suspicious of this one thing for once?

As I said, what are you going to do about it?

why are you pushing me in this stupid and pointless manner?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:32 am maybe the issue is that the phrase "waste of time" is throwing you guys off. I mean it's laughably redundant.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:33 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:20 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:55 am has all 3-4 of you who quote the same 10 posts from him and spend time control+f'ing 13 other players in the game gotten us anywhere? it's been over 24 hours. let's be honest with ourselves

And what are you gonna do about it?

like, do you think every single person doing it is town? why aren't you suspicious of this one thing for once?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:55 am has all 3-4 of you who quote the same 10 posts from him and spend time control+f'ing 13 other players in the game gotten us anywhere? it's been over 24 hours. let's be honest with ourselves

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:51 am

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:39 am Porscha - pyxxy

#315 GTH's pyxxy as town / 3p
#363 inquired by Sloonei, reads pyxxy out of wolf meta range
#389 replies to an Abigail take on pyxxy town play to further state pyxxy's playstate is kinda NAI
#886 reply to pyxxy's profiling of the Scrappy sock

pyxxy - Porscha

no direct exchange

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Likelikhood: possible in principle. More concerning, in fact, that she dropped any focus and take on pyxxy late-phase than that she wrote early-phase in support of their range not being wolfy.

Wolf-frame: a bit too much of vocal downplaying of a teammate's wolfrange, but who knows. There was no strong pressure on pyxxy at that stage, in theory could have tried to sway others' pings.

Town-frame or nonaligned-frame: bit of egg on face in hindsight. Can happen.

I think if anybody paid attention they'd realize I was never in thread after pyxxy decided to post more than 3 times

and the wolfiest thing I've done is call sig wolfy for giving brad a 3p read when I gave pyxxy a 3p read but nobody seemed to catch that so whatever

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:33 am I do have a concern. the concern is that LC has been towny to me. weird!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:07 pm Wherefore the fuck art thou going on about Scrappy Doo?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:50 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:25 pm I'm fine with a Sig vote in theory, but I'm not exactly a fan of the voters on the wagon

Yeah I feel that way too

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:22 pm I am unable to do anything tonight. Will get back at tomorrow evening.

I think the poll is wrong. Day ends tomorrow at 7, not a month from tomorrow.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:36 pm @Scrappy Doo Wherefore art thou?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:28 pm Scrappy Doo is on the poll, but I have not seen them post. Perhaps they were pyxxy, and should have been removed?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:25 pm I'm fine with a Sig vote in theory, but I'm not exactly a fan of the voters on the wagon

Talk to me about your reads plz

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:11 pm Falcon is mafia, but not a landlord.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:40 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:11 pm falcon - pyxxy
pyxxy - falcon

Zero interactions.
Zero mentions.

Falcon seems to have dropped off mid-phase, so no idea how he would have reacted or pitched in to a pyxxy wagon. Up to that point, falcon looked into or focused on several players, which make it more dubious why he never looked into pyxxy's play.

Given pyxxy's tight-lipped amount of legacy, it's possible to consider pyxxy-falcon adopting as wolfmates a don't-mention-don't-bother tactic, but any interpretation would be speculative.

Likelihood: unknown. Would lean on judging falcon further on individual wolfness.

Do you think everyone who didn't interact w/ pyxxy is Maf?

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:58 pm his flip is bean coloured

I dont know if it has anything to do with factions but lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:39 pm

GAME OF CHAMPIONS:
Cindy-Kate Bowl XIII

LIVING PLAYERS {12}

1. Delta - posts
2. Epignosis - posts
3. Falcon45ca - posts
4. leetic - posts
5. Long Con - posts
6. Porscha - posts
7. ☆Princess Abigail☆ - posts
8. Ricochet - posts
9. Seanzie - posts
10. sig - posts
11. Sloonei - posts
12. TonyStarkPrime - posts

Scrappy Doo - posts

Hosts:
S~V~S - posts
Scotty - posts

DEAD PLAYERS {3}

1. pyxxy - posts - Baked beans pizza (Mafia) - eliminated Day 1
2. Caitlin - posts - Werealligator (Town) - killed Night 1
3. Spacedaisy - posts - Viktor Vektor (Town) - killed Day 2

PHASE END SUMMARIES

1. End of Night 0
2. End of Day 1 - pyxxy is eliminated
3. End of Night 1 - Caitlin is killed
4. Day 1 Death - Spacedaisy is killed

EVENTS

1. Art Show: Art due N2
2. D1: Secret Santa?
3. D2: Let's Get High

POLLS
Day 1:

Spoiler: show

Caitlin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Delta
3
16%
Voters: Porscha, Seanzie, TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
Falcon
0
No votes
Voters: None
leetic
4
21%
Voters: Delta, Ricochet, pyxxy, Scrappy Doo
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
☆Princess Abigail☆
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
7
37%
Voters: leetic, Epignosis, Sloonei, sig, Caitlin, ☆Princess Abigail☆, Long Con
Ricochet
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
1
5%
Voters: falcon45ca
Scrappy Doo
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None

Night 2 Poll (Where should we go next?):

Spoiler: show

Barren Wasteland
1
13%
Voters: sig
Dried Lakebed
1
13%
Voters: leetic
Dusty Stage
1
13%
Voters: Epignosis
Jungle Cityscape
2
25%
Voters: falcon45ca, Sloonei
Pop-up Fair
1
13%
Voters: Long Con

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm Porscha/Seanzie/TSP

Porscha is probably town, would give more scrutiny if her whole gameplan is to park town & afk but is what it is for now, Seanzie can be town regardless considering the one point Pyxxy decided to make near EOD is just 'not kill Seanzie' so I kinda want to roll with that for now & TSP I think just takes the Pyxxy vote since I think Scrappy said something that enabled them to move there

so yeah. lol me but probably pure

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:47 pm Pyxxy decided to make near EOD is just 'not kill Seanzie' so I kinda want to roll with that for now

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:44 pm BTW my theory is someone got a gift and shot Daisy I dunno why everyone is assuming it's a modkill in role madness

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:41 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:39 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:37 pm hihi o/ here sorry

@Epignosis the reason I focused pyxxy there is because both games we've been in so far, and now this one, we've been v/w but have hoped for a v/v rand. I joined the mountainous game to play w/ pyxxy again & similar here where my main thought there was "oh if pyxxy is v id like to be some sort of lifeline here"

Why did you not have much comment on the growing pyxxy wagon at EoD?

maybe a little selfish but I was more focused on my own for a second lol

was more trying to work out what was happening with the vote on me to really focus on the fact that pyxxy's wagon grew so much outside of 'hes dead, i dont really want to move there because i feel bad that hes so low energy and dont really want to kick him while hes down' ;O;

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:37 pm hihi o/ here sorry

@Epignosis the reason I focused pyxxy there is because both games we've been in so far, and now this one, we've been v/w but have hoped for a v/v rand. I joined the mountainous game to play w/ pyxxy again & similar here where my main thought there was "oh if pyxxy is v id like to be some sort of lifeline here"

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:36 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:46 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:13 am While Epi is working on his analyses of the player interactions, I'll start to work on mine so that they won't be biased by his. Not gonna look at N0, since it's a bunch of crap and pyxxy did jack there anyways.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:20 pm I’ll add to the scrappy doo stuff some more.

As already said they were a sock third party. The owner lucy had some goal that I can’t remember now, but it did have voting power and could be killed.

Also falcon was on my team that game not TSP.


I like LC train of thought on the secret Santa thing, that seems very much within his town meta.

Epi is a gut town read.

I’m liking Abigail posts even though she’s creating a town core

I’m eyeing Daisy right now, her play style right now reminds me of muppets, where she was present but a bit flatflooted being mafia.

Not a mention of pyxxy but the Daisy stuff looks odd in hindsight. What "playstyle" was she demonstrating by just posting one NGR post saying she's busy and then dipping?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:59 pm I like the Sean case from LC, but I see he and the rest of my town reads are on Pyxxy so I’ll be sheeping that for right now as I catch up and all

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

No mentions of pyxxy until this last-minute vote. Like I said before, this looks like so obviously a bus that I doubt a player who's been around as long as Sig would actually go for it. Saying his townreads are on pyxxy does seem like a way to pass the buck, so I guess that's one small point against them being aligned, but it's still such a convenient excuse that I can't rule them out being wolf overall.

Why would someone give "sheeping others" as a reason for a bus? IME bussing is usually to get towncred, and this doesn't really give any towncred. It is possible landlord!Sig is trying to blend in by voting here, but I'd be loathe to call that a bus in all but the most technical of senses.

Probably because Sig arrived so late that they couldn't have really made any other argument look natural, compared to Sloonei who could have developed an argument but didn't. Something not being effective at getting towncred doesn't mean the move wasn't made for those purposes.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:51 pm Also I don't think mafia sig would mention info dumping since he'd be hoping people get mod killed for doing it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:37 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:13 am While Epi is working on his analyses of the player interactions, I'll start to work on mine so that they won't be biased by his. Not gonna look at N0, since it's a bunch of crap and pyxxy did jack there anyways.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:20 pm I’ll add to the scrappy doo stuff some more.

As already said they were a sock third party. The owner lucy had some goal that I can’t remember now, but it did have voting power and could be killed.

Also falcon was on my team that game not TSP.


I like LC train of thought on the secret Santa thing, that seems very much within his town meta.

Epi is a gut town read.

I’m liking Abigail posts even though she’s creating a town core

I’m eyeing Daisy right now, her play style right now reminds me of muppets, where she was present but a bit flatflooted being mafia.

Not a mention of pyxxy but the Daisy stuff looks odd in hindsight. What "playstyle" was she demonstrating by just posting one NGR post saying she's busy and then dipping?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:59 pm I like the Sean case from LC, but I see he and the rest of my town reads are on Pyxxy so I’ll be sheeping that for right now as I catch up and all

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

No mentions of pyxxy until this last-minute vote. Like I said before, this looks like so obviously a bus that I doubt a player who's been around as long as Sig would actually go for it. Saying his townreads are on pyxxy does seem like a way to pass the buck, so I guess that's one small point against them being aligned, but it's still such a convenient excuse that I can't rule them out being wolf overall.

She (Daisy) was around or so I thought, just lurking more. This was in line with how she played Baby Muppet where we were both mafia together. So I was thinking that was her approach here. Given that she was mod killed and flipped town it's now pretty clear she ended up not having the time to play.

Yea Pyxxy wasn't really on my radar, but I didn't want to not vote so i joined the wagon

Having said that I did think I had more time to review, buuuuut, I probably wasn't going to hard push anyone. I don't have any really solid mafia reads or really even that many lock towns so I'm taking a more back seat approach for the time being.

For the record, it looks like Daisy was shot, not modkilled. Possibly a lurker vig.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:46 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:13 am While Epi is working on his analyses of the player interactions, I'll start to work on mine so that they won't be biased by his. Not gonna look at N0, since it's a bunch of crap and pyxxy did jack there anyways.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:20 pm I’ll add to the scrappy doo stuff some more.

As already said they were a sock third party. The owner lucy had some goal that I can’t remember now, but it did have voting power and could be killed.

Also falcon was on my team that game not TSP.


I like LC train of thought on the secret Santa thing, that seems very much within his town meta.

Epi is a gut town read.

I’m liking Abigail posts even though she’s creating a town core

I’m eyeing Daisy right now, her play style right now reminds me of muppets, where she was present but a bit flatflooted being mafia.

Not a mention of pyxxy but the Daisy stuff looks odd in hindsight. What "playstyle" was she demonstrating by just posting one NGR post saying she's busy and then dipping?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:59 pm I like the Sean case from LC, but I see he and the rest of my town reads are on Pyxxy so I’ll be sheeping that for right now as I catch up and all

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

No mentions of pyxxy until this last-minute vote. Like I said before, this looks like so obviously a bus that I doubt a player who's been around as long as Sig would actually go for it. Saying his townreads are on pyxxy does seem like a way to pass the buck, so I guess that's one small point against them being aligned, but it's still such a convenient excuse that I can't rule them out being wolf overall.

Why would someone give "sheeping others" as a reason for a bus? IME bussing is usually to get towncred, and this doesn't really give any towncred. It is possible landlord!Sig is trying to blend in by voting here, but I'd be loathe to call that a bus in all but the most technical of senses.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:14 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:16 am anyway back to this

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Mason buddy why?

I am like relatively sure Delta is town here. They look bad off Pyxxy flip L0 but I think that if you think deeper about why town vs wolf approaches pyxxy the way Delta did its actually rather towny

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:01 am Okay not fact but I'm as close to 100% sure as possible

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:16 am I didn't really want to be on Seanzie, alongside falcon, at the end of the day. I had long intended to move my vote by the end, and my longtime expectation was to move it on to leetic. Later, I thought I might move it to falcon, which Caitlin agreed with, but Abi was insistent that falcon was town. I wasn't reliably in-thread until closer to the deadline than I would have liked, and so I did catch-up and got a post or two in, and supported the popular pyxxy vote. Switching that late is kind of a wet fart, but it was just what I had planned to do in some form.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:46 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:45 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:43 am so did nobody but me have a private n1 chat with someone from the other thread or lmao

Seanzie is claiming to have received information from the other thread. Can you back up Brad having flipped wolf?

no, my chat ended after day 1, so no info on flips

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:43 am so did nobody but me have a private n1 chat with someone from the other thread or lmao

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:43 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:51 pm having saved that VC. I can say that I doubt we should ever chop Seanzie here

From my experience, when a flailing wolf calls out one town, they are much more likely to be town (or in this case, unaligned with pyxxy) than not, but someone more familiar with pyxxy may have better insight here