The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:And, while I'm at it: MovingPictures, would you mind elaborating on your LC town lean a little more? I understand there might not be much behind it, but what do you think of him scumreading DrWigly early? It seems to me that DrWigly doing something weird (like not reading his role PM) isn't really unexpected and I don't actually think there's any scum motivation behind not reading your role PM; why don't you think that he's pushing on an easy target early?

If I was able to vote and change my vote, I'd be voting Long Con for those reasons; MovingPictures is a civilian read at this point.

Yeah, there really isn't much behind it, and LC is historically difficult for me to read. LC's post history has seemed genuine to me; I like the way he handled Mac's "you're trying too hard" with "try harder", he handled the accusation well.

You make a good argument as to why Wilgy's not worth scum reading though; that's why I didn't find it worth any read personally. I've been wrong about LC before for what seemed like manufactured or opportunistic early suspicions though.

I'm historically pretty damn good at reading LC - defending him against bad accusations, attacking him when no one else will listen..

For right now I think he is town. His role analysis shines more when he is town, I think. I can't put it into exact words, but there is a depth to it that indicates genuine thought an desire to get the answers.

This is reassuring; I did like LC's questions and thoughts about baddie roles in particular but wasn't sure how comfortable he was mimicking his role speculation as scum.

also MM i think we did play together :o

At this point I also feel obligated to apologize for how frequently I post, have tried to artificially reduce the number of times I post in the past but I find playing unnaturally kills the quality of my play and I'd rather not do that in my first game on this site (and am generally not convinced that my megawalls are any easier to parse than my large # of posts). If I'm annoying you or ruining your experience, don't be afraid to tell me!

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:To elaborate further: I suppose I've enjoyed the fluffy and slow paced nature of the game so far.

Me too. The recent lull in games filling up have reminded me that a game doesn't need 800 pages for you to find the baddies, and a slower pace can actually be fun!

Besides, I'll be getting distracted every 10 minutes by this -

I don't mind slower paces but I get antsy as shit when deadline approaches and I don't have a vote I feel even vaguely positive about.

Golden wrote: This interests me, because at this point in the thread these are my only two reads, and I ping town on both.

My read on MovingPictures had a bad expectation right in the middle of it, so it's unsurprising that you disagreed with that read.
My read on LongCon seems to suffer the same issue, although I'd be interested in hearing why you think civilian specifically.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:As for the lynch, are there any volunteers?

There's a lot of fluff happening so far (which I don't mind, just an observation), so it's possible that I'm clinging to anything that seems the slightest bit alignment indicative, but I liked this. I think it's something that baddies would be less likely to do than goodies, but don't have anything backing me up on that except for instinct.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'd volunteer, but I promised myself I wouldn't be lynched Day 1.

And, since I'm explaining gut reads, this reads along the same lines.
I find that "I won't be lynched Day 1!" is more commonly a baddie goal than a goodie one (people are usually more afraid of being lynched instantly when they lack the power of the truth on their side), and generally baddies don't like sharing their goals in thread unless I've stumbled onto a much different meta than I'm used to.

What if Vompatti and I are teammates and this is all part of an elaborate scheme?

I like you nachomamma. Have we played together before?

Linki:

Linki x2: Sometimes when you make a post, you'll submit it, and someone else will have posted while you were typing your own. Linki is the tag for responding for that intermediate post.

If it's a part of your scary elaborate scheme, then mentioning it now would be pretty silly unless you have a true passion for living on the edge.

I don't think we've played together before unless you have a habit of playing on other mafia sites under different names (or we played together a really long time ago during KISS speed since I think I remember someone named metalmarsh there), but I like you too!

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Right I'm gonna hit the sack. See you all tomorrow.

Linki. Because as you said, why would a baddie vote for himself when he can throw his vote on a civ.

Not sure what "linki" means.

My bad. I thought that was what we did.

It was, I just didn't know what it meant when you posted it.
Thanks MM!

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I got a role from another game. Do you think llama messed up?

So what happened? Did he?

I don't think he did. I did roll-claim earlier, so I'll just let you guys decide.

WTF?

Ok i'll have to read back tomorrow.

no he posted a picture of a roll
he "roll claimed" as in claimed to be a roll

Snow Dog wrote:Right I'm gonna hit the sack. See you all tomorrow.

Linki. Because as you said, why would a baddie vote for himself when he can throw his vote on a civ.

Not sure what "linki" means.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I got a role from another game. Do you think llama messed up?

So what happened? Did he?

I don't think he did. I did roll-claim earlier, so I'll just let you guys decide.

har har har
I did end up looking back to see if you role-claimed and wondered shortly why you hadn't been warned or modkilled before I realized what you were saying here.

Snow Dog wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

I know "town" but not "townread"

OOps sorry, yes it is reasonable. But he could have waited and voted a real vote later and found out. Thats what everyone else is doing.

linki...Yes! It is poasible isn't it?

If I was in thread at the time, I doubt I would have waited for a real vote. Playing differently from everyone else isn't exactly a tell of someone being a baddie, just a tell of someone being different.

It's possible he thought that he would be townread for it, but I don't think likely. Why do you think he would think that his self-vote would look town?

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

I know "town" but not "townread"

Townread = civ read aka "do you think he was expecting to be read as civilian because of it?".

Boomslang wrote:

Quin wrote:I self-voted for the sake of figuring out whether they're changeable or not. Votes are not changeable.

It seems like there's some disagreement over whether this is a good or bad move. I find it rash; why vote solely for that purpose when there's still over 24 hours of daytime to go? Surely someone else would vote for suspicion reasons in that time, then report as to whether that vote was changeable. My gut says this is a convenient way for Quin to get out of voting for anyone else Day 1, and thus drawing early aggro.

Linki w/ Nacho: See, I take the opposite read here. A self-vote just to self-vote might fit your justification, but Quin's rationale isn't logical to me.
Linki w/MP: What's up is I'm trying to post :P Yeah, the Quin thing is a bit WIFOMy, but I think the explanation pushes it more toward a baddie read.
Linki w/Snow Dog: AHHHH LET ME POST

It was a rash move, but I don't really think that rash is equivalent to "more likely to come from a baddie".
I think that asking someone to wait until they have real suspicion in order to figure out votes are changeable or not is pretty unreasonable.

Town is a word that's interchangeable with civilian, apologies for failing my vocabulary test there.

I think that my train of thought is pretty weird - there's no reason for Quin to expect anyone like me to exist of have that train of thought, is there? I find voting to find the answer to whether votes are changeable or not is completely reasonable; do you disagree?

Ah, I forgot about that.
That seems reasonable enough.

Hi Golden!
Do you have any thoughts yet?

If you were just trying to clear up a question, why not ask the moderator? Why not reread the rules?

Motel Room, did Long Con's posts make you fall asleep?

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

Why do you think that MM's claim about being sent the wrong role has anything to do with his alignment?

I'm just pursuing something that struck me as odd. It probably has nothing to do with his alignment.

Is there anything odd that you think is alignment-related that's sticking out to you?

I'm liking Boomslang coming into thread and pushing back, though and am excited to see more from him - if he clears himself sufficiently, the probability of a successful drunk darts game jumps up to 44% and I'm one step closer to that elusive 50% (which is probably the best I can hope for at this point in the game).

Quin wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

I thought about none of this when I placed my vote.

@MP, give me until Mad Max ends, then I can double down on this game.

I don't know who I'd vote for. I haven't read as much as I'd have liked. I did get dem good vibes from Eloh before. Her calling out Scotty and not Wilgy was probably a genuine mistake. It seems like a half-assed baddie strategy, at least.

I wouldn't expect you to put much thought into it as town, but I think it'd be a bigger deal if you were scum.
Do you disagree?

And I'm not telling you or arguing for you to discount anything, to be clear. But, at the end of the day, it's Day 1; you won't get confident reads today. At some point you need to be able to go "okay, I think this is more likely to come from town as opposed to scum" and take a leap of faith.

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

It might be a worthwhile gamble as a baddie so I don't discount it.

Why is it a worthwhile gamble as a baddie? Do you agree with Boom's reasoning or do you think he was expecting to get townread for it?

Boomslang wrote:

Quin wrote:I self-voted for the sake of figuring out whether they're changeable or not. Votes are not changeable.

It seems like there's some disagreement over whether this is a good or bad move. I find it rash; why vote solely for that purpose when there's still over 24 hours of daytime to go? Surely someone else would vote for suspicion reasons in that time, then report as to whether that vote was changeable. My gut says this is a convenient way for Quin to get out of voting for anyone else Day 1, and thus drawing early aggro.

Linki w/ Nacho: See, I take the opposite read here. A self-vote just to self-vote might fit your justification, but Quin's rationale isn't logical to me.
Linki w/MP: What's up is I'm trying to post :P Yeah, the Quin thing is a bit WIFOMy, but I think the explanation pushes it more toward a baddie read.
Linki w/Snow Dog: AHHHH LET ME POST

Trying to avoid voting someone D1 is not a big deal if you're still expressing suspicion of people; more often than not, people get more perturbed by calling them scummy than they do by simply voting them. A vote is more valuable to mafia early game than town; town don't know shit about shit, while mafia know exactly who they need to lynch to win and so making sure their vote is in a good place should be top priority on their list.

Do you really think Quin is so afraid of voting people as mafia that he decides to vote himself immediately? If that's the case, I can't help but feel he will be a later catch in later days; not like he can test votes again tomorrow.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

There's a lot of WIFOM there, but that makes sense I think.

I mean if he's scum he's doing it with the expectation that someone will have the same thought process (or because he straight up doesn't give a fuck); seems kind of wonky for him to expect people to think like me and showing that sort of spirit period is the type of thing that at least earns a D1 pass from me, especially in a slow game like this.

Snow Dog wrote:I don't like nachos.

Did I do something to offend you?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

The thing that I like about Quin is the self-vote; not sure he'd do it as mafia when there's a chance he locks down on his vote on himself the entire day and makes himself that much easier to lynch. As town, he's not really expecting to get lynched at all and he doesn't want to fuck over a townie accidentally, so it makes more sense.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

Why do you think that MM's claim about being sent the wrong role has anything to do with his alignment?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

It looks like I'm your town buddy by default since no one else is around

MacDougall wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Motel Room is a town read. I don't think Hotel Room would make an appearance if he was Mafia.

And ... not sure on MP. His reaction to being Mafia read at this juncture in previous games needs to be compared to here. His responses seem sincere but I expect he could get away with feigning sincerity in this situation.

That seems like a lot of legwork for a D1 read. As it stands, "seeming sincere although there's the possibility he can fake it" is more than good enough for me.

MacDougall wrote:Motel Room is a town read. I don't think Hotel Room would make an appearance if he was Mafia.

He doesn't really have any game relevant posts yet. Does he typically replace out when Mafia?
Are you still scumreading MovingPictures?

motel room wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind wine in front of me if you know what I mean.

Don't do it, you wind up with five bottles on the grass and a gash in your hand and a hangover at work today.

what's your read on long con?

And, while I'm at it: MovingPictures, would you mind elaborating on your LC town lean a little more? I understand there might not be much behind it, but what do you think of him scumreading DrWigly early? It seems to me that DrWigly doing something weird (like not reading his role PM) isn't really unexpected and I don't actually think there's any scum motivation behind not reading your role PM; why don't you think that he's pushing on an easy target early?

If I was able to vote and change my vote, I'd be voting Long Con for those reasons; MovingPictures is a civilian read at this point.

Or, worse yet, wake up on someone else's lawn.

motel room wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind wine in front of me if you know what I mean.

Don't do it, you wind up with five bottles on the grass and a gash in your hand and a hangover at work today.

At least you didn't fall asleep on the grass!

MovingPictures07 wrote:To elaborate further: I suppose I've enjoyed the fluffy and slow paced nature of the game so far, ironically, since I'm usually one of the folks complaining about that. Last few games I've played got intense and posty pretty quickly, so it was a nice change of pace. I always find myself overanalyzing everything so I've been purposefully trying to 'play loose' before diving into super serious mode, mostly unsuccessfully.

I think it's hard to overanalyze early game, for what it's worth; as town, I find early game to be the most freeing since it's the only time when you can have a strong scumread and be wrong (since you're expected to be wrong so early), whereas if you're right it feels absolutely fantastic (since you're supposed to be right). As the days go on, the pressure mounts and being wrong gets exponentially more frustrating and people are more entrenched in their beliefs so it's more difficult to convince them of things and it's more difficult to pick up on things since you have to let go of the notions you have before doing anything at all.

MovingPictures07 wrote: To answer your question as to why I'm reading Mac civilian, it's a very slight read because Mac is a master of his own meta. Nonetheless, I like that he was willing to throw out the observation regarding LC and then tried to get on-topic discussion going on Epignosis as well. It's all in character, and perhaps even lacking the oomph of some more aggressive entrances I've seen by him, but to make a meta read I'd say that actually is more indicative of his town game than not. Pretty shaky read, but it's something anyway.

Can you elaborate more upon why the train of thought specifically in MM and LC's posts (the "I'm trying not to get lynched" or "watch me get lynched for this" sentiment) and why you are town reading it? I don't follow you here. Not that I disagree, just trying to understand.

To answer your question as to why it took me "so long", I don't know. I tend to always have trouble with Day 1s and have been mislynched in the past for generating misleading content; lately I try to take a more inquisitive and cautious approach in the early game until I find something incompatible with a townie mindset, I air that beef, and the player has subsequently provided an unsatisfactory response to that beef. I used to be incredibly aggressive with early game leads and it never seemed to do me any good.

Why did you expect me to be an active driving force?

You're right to question why I'm not talking about mine. I'm still percolating over them, frankly, but when I have a rainbow to throw at you, I'll gladly do so. I'd say you, LC, and Mac would be worthy of some gut town leans at least. I've been at campus multitasking all day while making posts (finally home now), so I haven't had the opportunity to re-read and analyze anything beyond just the initial read through, so that's part of why.

I don't remember the LC observation right this second, but I'll check it out shortly. I agree with the Epignosis bit 100%.

Your explanation for tending to be cautious early game makes sense. I expected you to be active in thread based on the excitement that you expressed in the signup thread and your talk about needing a mafia game and having all this free time and then the person who showed up in thread initially didn't seem quite like that; I had a theory that maybe you were very excited about the game and preferred playing town, then rolled scum and got deflated by it; I figured if this was the case, then putting you on the defensive and making it feel like you would have been caught early and maybe you could be the first lynch would make you even more uncomfortable. I didn't mean to frustrate you by holding you to an unreasonable standard; my intent was simply to challenge you early game and get pressure on you early if my theory on you was correct and you were scum.

As for the LC and MM leans, the argument that I laid out for MM was that as scum, he'd be more unlikely to post the "I won't get lynched Day 1!" goal in thread as scum than town. I've found that when I'm scum certain things are more awkward than I would be if they are town; saying that I'm trying not to get lynched today is one of them. This argument holds more water if MM is more uncomfortable as scum than town, doesn't if the reverse is true. This is not an argument I feel particularly strongly about.

I liked LC saying that he would get scumread for doing his role analysis. I think it's an odd thing to fake (couldn't tell you why he would say he was worried about getting scumread for doing role analysis if he wasn't), so I'd say the worry is genuine regardless of alignment. If he was worried about getting scumread for his role analysis as scum, he has the option of not posting it (whereas as town he does it because he thinks it's an advantage to town). If he was worried about getting scumread for his role analysis as scum, I also think he'd be less likely to say it out loud (for the same reasons that I think MM wouldn't worry about getting lynched D1 in thread if scum). Does this make sense?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not sure "gut read" is sufficient for me, Nacho, can you at all elaborate on any of those assessments? What about those posts in which you declared gut reads specifically made you feel good/bad about them?

I've done my best in explaining why I'm leaning the way I am on certain people; if there's anything you need me to elaborate on, let me know and I'll do better. I understand that right now my reasoning might be a little strange since a lot of this is elaborating on "feels town!" but if you can point out what looks weird specifically I can usually reword it to make it clearer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Regarding Nacho's first mega-post:
DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, and Vompatti are the three players here unarguably least afraid to dabble with WIFOM, so take that as you will. Vompatti's approach to the game is perhaps the most unconventional of anyone at this site. Metalmarsh89 has a bad record of getting lynched Day 1 (then again, I've had that to a degree as well). Not sure how that changes your assessment, if at all.

I figured as much, re: Wigly. I enjoy players who are willing to use WIFOM to their advantage, who are willing to play mind games; I think that players like that are interesting and typically stronger than players who aren't willing to do things like that. My approach to him currently is to challenge him to read his Role PM and choose a different meme style since he doesn't seem like the player who is afraid to play as scum and since it's a bad move for good players; if you are a good player, you should be able to work towards your win condition while if you don't read your role PM you're not really playing the game, you're just making up a win condition and going with it (hence why weak players who can only play to one win condition are the ones that typically take that path).

With Metalmarsh and Vompatti, I'm less interested in how comfortable they are with WIFOM and more interested in how comfortable they are with playing scum; do they prefer playing scum? Are they effective because they look very pro-civilian or are they effective because they're hard to read in general?

Civllians:

MacDougall - I like that he is the first one who has been aggressive about a real read even if I don't necessarily agree with it (his Epi read). I also thought his response to Moving's "let's work together!" post (I'm not working with you because I think you're scummy) is townie for two reasons; 1) I agree that Moving is sketchy (so bonus points for what I think is a good suspicion), and 2) If Moving is town and Mac is scum, then I don't think that he pushes back on the townread in an aggressive way; I think his approach looks more along the lines of smiling and going "yeah! let's be best friends forever!!!"

Quin - Mostly vibes so far, but I like that he picked up on Elo missing Wigly saying that he wasn't reading his role PM this game and yet attacking Scotty; but more than that, I like that he didn't harp on it too much. To me, that shows that Quin is looking for things that stand out to him as opposed to looking for things that he can push on as scum.

Vompatti - This civilian lean is based almost entirely on the "are there any volunteers for lynch?" line. I'm aware that it was a joke, but asking if there's anyone who wants to die first conveys a certain sense of confidence and I think it's more likely for a civilian to show that sort of confidence versus mafia. This civillian lean is slightly weakened by the Metal questioning; Vompatti, why do you think that Metal is more likely to mention that llama sent him a weird PM as scum as opposed to town? Why do you think it is odd to mention in thread?

MetalMarsh89 - This civillian lean, like the Vompatti one, is based on a single line: the "I promised myself that I wouldn't get lynched D1". I think that this is more commonly a baddie promise than a goodie one but I'm not sure that a baddie expresses it in thread.

Epignosis - I liked his posting early game of "people making accusations? sit back, relax!". I think that most baddies would avoid saying something anti-town like this without any tangible benefit; for one, it seems odd to say that whether a partner is getting accused or a townie is getting accused. If a townie is getting accused, then he's discouraging what could lead to a town mislynch. If a partner is getting accused, then he's tying himself to them pretty prematurely. I also that he as scum might be wary of being questioned on why he's discouraging scumhunting early; maybe he doesn't have foresight like that, maybe this meta is good enough where you don't have to deal with dumb questions like that, but maybe he's not thinking of any of this at all, but I think that's probably why I liked that line.

Baddies

MovingPictures - With Moving talking about how excited he was to get the game moving, I expected more of that excitement to leak out into the thread; I expected him to take a more active role in guiding the game forward and pushing reads. I thought that his post asking a couple people questions and asking about gut reads in general was a step towards that, but I found it odd that he didn't offer his own leans while asking for others to give theirs; to me, it seems like maybe he was pretty okay with the gamestate (which he would be if a baddie, stagnation is fantastic for those on team evil) and wasn't making an honest effort to get it going. I felt better about this post when I started writing this post, but then I saw a couple of his recent posts, and I'm doubting myself, but I'd still like this addressed.

Long Con - Long Con baddie read doesn't have an intense amount of substance; in fact, I liked his early post talking about how he expected to get scumread for his role speculation (if he was afraid of taking heat for it as baddie, I expect he would either not do it in the first place or post it and try to keep a confident face on). I didn't like him calling Wigly a "suspect" for not reading his role PM, though; there isn't really a reason why not reading your role PM is scummy, just boring (since you're not playing towards one win condition or another). Scum motivation for that attack is taking advantage of an easy target early.

If I had the ability to change my vote after making it, I'd probably be voting MovingPictures right now; I don't feel particularly confident in the read, but again, MovingPictures is a player who I expect to be active and fairly transparent so I'd be pretty confident in firming up the read well before the end of the day.

Do you have any gut pings beyond moving-scum, Epi-scum?

MacDougall wrote:Nachos Grande what you sayin bout that epi post?

I liked it. Gut read.

Epignosis wrote:People are accusing one another already?

It's an island. We have rum. Sit back. Relax.

Put your toes in the sand.

Have a drink in your hand.

All you need is a

BEAUTIFUL GIRL.

Also found this - this seems like an odd approach for a baddie who would be waiting to sit back and relax and wait for the town to eat itself alive. Not something I'd enjoy as much later game, but early in the game it makes me happy.

Long Con wrote:Hello, I did check my role PM before I came here.

Scotty wrote:Man, I would hate to be on your team if I were bad.

Yeah, Wilgy is already suspicious to me.

DrWilgy wrote:Yeah, I've decided that being blind will be my meme play this game.

Indeed.

Golden wrote:Voted melee island - that's always where the adventure starts. You can't cut right to the third act.

Good point. Same-same.

Found it!
Long Con, why is Wigly suspicious for not checking their role PM?
I don't think actions get more neutral than "not checking role PM" unless somehow you think that he's scum trying to buy himself a free pass by saying he's not checking his role PM which seems just a touch conspiracy theory to me.

Now while I was skimming at work I feel like I saw someone attack my friend the good Doctor Wiley and I remember disliking it; going to see if I can't find that before I post reads.

MacDougall wrote:Haha thanks.

Epignosis is bad. Discuss.

Also a slight townlean for getting the game going, although I'm not sure where this scumlean in particular is coming from.

Quin wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Haha thanks.

Epignosis is bad. Discuss.

He's 90 percent fluff at this point. I can't shape a read out of it yet. It's at least interesting from a meta standpoint, though.

Is being this fluffy out of character for him? Do you think that his fluffiness stands out when a majority of players have that same 90 - 10 fluff-nonfluff ratio?

MacDougall wrote:I am turning 30 in under 3 hours.

Congratulations!!!

Long Con wrote:*emerges from the birth canal*

Maybe it's time for me to do some role analysis and then get some votes for it for being "overly helpful".

I liked this post too!!! Don't really have a reason for why and won't pretend like I do, just like how the line talking about how he's going to get voted for his approach sounds; probably good for along the same lines as Metal's "I promised I wouldn't get lynched D1" post.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Mac, it's clear we are both civilian this game so let's team up.

Why are you reading Mac civillian?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Today has been very quiet so far... Not much to go on other than Vomps asking for volunteers. Which is asking people to do the civs' work for them, but in Day 1, I suppose it's just an opening gambit.

Take your hands off your ears, and maybe you'll hear all the things people have to say.

All the things.

Unless this is a joke I'm not picking up on, it seems like you're implying there's more to pick up on that Boomslang is missing; why not comment on any of it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Just a little over 24 hours remaining and we've had hardly any on-topic discussion. Let's change that.

Mac, tell me why Epi is bad.
LC, what did you gain from your role analysis?
Everyone else, do you have any thoughts on anyone's alignment so far for even weak reasons/pings? If so, what are they?

Why did it take you so long to get the ball rolling?
It might have been a poor character judgment considering the whole "we've never played together" thing, but I sort of expected you to be an active driving force before this point. I like that you're questioning people for small pings, but why haven't you talked about yours? Why haven't you talked about your Mac civilian read yet?

Snow Dog wrote:Is it possible to earn gold?

Not unless Santa Claus gives you a shovel.

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Let's go to Melee Island, where we can play a more awesome video game called Super Smash Bros. Melee.

Only if you let me wave shine you into upsmash.

Hello everyone. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a smash player.

I have not checked my role nor do I plan to. I will, however, assist townies in their plight.

This seems like a boring approach to take; don't necessarily mean to be offensive, but the main reason I see for players deciding not to check their role PM is because they have weak scum games and they're scared that they will draw scum. Is this your problem as well or do you have ulterior motives?

Vompatti wrote:As for the lynch, are there any volunteers?

There's a lot of fluff happening so far (which I don't mind, just an observation), so it's possible that I'm clinging to anything that seems the slightest bit alignment indicative, but I liked this. I think it's something that baddies would be less likely to do than goodies, but don't have anything backing me up on that except for instinct.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'd volunteer, but I promised myself I wouldn't be lynched Day 1.

And, since I'm explaining gut reads, this reads along the same lines.
I find that "I won't be lynched Day 1!" is more commonly a baddie goal than a goodie one (people are usually more afraid of being lynched instantly when they lack the power of the truth on their side), and generally baddies don't like sharing their goals in thread unless I've stumbled onto a much different meta than I'm used to.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Elo, are you bad?

No.

Who are you Nachomamma? Are you new to mafia. Are you a momma? Do you like nachos? I like nachos.

I am Nachomamma! I am Nachomamma8 because when I was younger I was good at Mario Kart and I played it a lot, then there was someone who was named "Nachomamma8" I took their name as vengeance. I am not new to mafia; I'm used to playing on Mafiascum but I've played with JJJ on Mafiauniverse (which is why I was interested in this site in the first place). I am not a mamma; it's unfortunately impossible for me. I do like nachos. Everyone likes Nachos.

Boomslang wrote:Today has been very quiet so far... Not much to go on other than Vomps asking for volunteers. Which is asking people to do the civs' work for them, but in Day 1, I suppose it's just an opening gambit.

Today seems to be quiet because people are afraid to stick their necks out and do things.
If you're uncomfortable with the silence (which I'm assuming you are because otherwise there isn't any real motivation to bring it up), why not do something to change it?

Hey, I know I've been quiet for today, that will change when I get home from grocery shopping; yesterday was a busier day than I anticipated.

Wiley please check your role PM, if you don't follow the plan I outlined in the QT we are bussing you to kingdom come