The Syndicate

Well, here are the last two orders FH posted. Her last 2 posts. I checked, and my two votes are correct. Anyone else wrong?

Flyin' High wrote:Day 3 Voting Order:
1. Mr. Droopy (rabbit) 1
2. Captain Bunny Killer (rabbit) 2
3. insertnamehere (Mr. Droopy) 1
4. Vompatti (rabbit) 3
5. The Truth (Mr. Droopy) 2
6. birdwithteeth (Mr. Droopy) 3
7. triceratops (Mr. Droopy) 4
8. rabbit (Mr. Droopy) 5
9. DharmaHelper (insertnamehere) 1
10. Flyin' High (Mr. Droopy) 6
11. Littletiger (Mr. Droopy) 7
12. AceofSpaces (Mr. Droopy) 8
13. BoatsBoatsBoats (Mr. Droopy) 9
14. Boomslang (Mr. Droopy) 10
15. reywaS (Vompatti) 1
16. Kate (Mr. Droopy) 11
17. SVS (Vompatti) 2
18. chaindeath (Mr. Droopy) 12
19. DisgruntledPorcupine (Vompatti) 3
20. Epignosis (Vompatti) 4
Didn't vote: Roxy, jokreher, Benthayer (note: Roxy and Benthayer have been replaced since then)

Flyin' High wrote:Day 4 Voting Order:
1. Epignosis (Vompatti) 1
2. LittleTiger (Vompatti) 2
3. BoatsBoatsBoats (Vompatti) 3
4. AceofSpaces (Vompatti) 4
5. SVS (Vompatti) 5
6. Kate (Vompatti) 6
7. Juliet (Vompatti) 7
8. Vompatti (Boats) 1
9. DisgruntledPorcupine (Vompatti) 8
10. DharmaHelper (insertnamehere) 1
11. reywaS (Vompatti) 9
12. The Truth (Vompatti) 10
13. rabbit (Vompatti) 11
14. Boomslange (insertnamehere) 2
15. triceratops (Vompatti) 12
16. Flyin' High (Vompatti) 13
17. birdwithteeth (Vompatti) 14
18. chaindeath (Vompatti) 15
19. Mr. Droopy (rabbit) 1
20. insertnamehere (DharmaHelper) 1
Didn't vote: Captain Bunny Killer, jokreher, Roxy (note: Roxy hadn't been replaced yet)

Linki, Gee DH, what a shitty attitude. I have been trying to give a shit, but with that comment, i officially give up

Yeah except that I don't think at least one, maybe two of them, are bad, based on their posts and such. Like Boats said, maybe they get home from school/work at the same time

I am curious, DH (and I do like the diagrams, there are things in there that interest me), do you still suspect INH? Do you think you might vote for him, or for one of the people you charted? I want to know becasue i was considering following you in a vote for INH, but i got mightlly fishslapped before when I suggested it and it was pointed out that INH does not figure in your analysis.

What's up with that?

Linki

LOL, EBWOP

FH made a mistake in the first order she posted, she had Boomslang, i believe, voting for Rabbit when they really voted for Bea. Perhaps she made another?

DharmaHelper wrote:

linki: DharmaHelper, if you're going to "present facts" can you at least adjust your charts so they show who I actually voted for on day 2?
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If they're incorrect it's because it was FH's voting order. And if it's showing an incorrect day 2 vote it's because they are the voting orders for day 3 and day 4.

FH made a mistake in the first order she posted, she had Boomslang, i believe, voting for Bea Rabbit when they really voted for Bea. Perhaps she made another?

FH was an interesting attempt. She is talking, and has been at the forefront.

I look forward to hearing what she has to say

OOps, sorry, I missed Chaindeath. RIP IYWG chaindeath, you were rather charming in a first person kinda way

Yay for no death

Hi Timmer~

And Trice, it isn't just Scott switching powers

The Mysterious Voice – Master and controller of many alternate dimensions. It is looking to invade and fully conquer the third dimension, and its first step in doing so is enslaving mankind and anything else that gets in its way. (Secrets) A power not to be trifled with, The Mysterious Voice starts off every lynch period with negative three votes against it. As the ultimate puppetmaster, The Mysterious Voice can select up to four players each night and switch around their night targets to its liking. Additionally, any night action that targets The Mysterious Voice is automatically redirected back at its sender until Herman the Planet Smasher dies.

Thank God for revealed secrets. This explains a lot IMO.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:You never read the rest of the civvie roles like i asked you to did you Trice??????????????????????????????????

I know it becasue MY results got scrambled, you dolt. OTHER ROLES GOT SCRAMBLED. Not just the kill roles.

*Shakes head*

I give the fuck up, lol.

You sound frustrated, is it because 2/3 of your night kills haven't gone as planned?

By the way, "Dolt" is what I call my kid brother when we're arguing. It isn't meant in a hostile way; it is kinda an endearment for me

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Besides, you aren't supposed to talking about inside information (ie that your night power got redirected), otherwise I'd tell you that it seems to me Scott Walker didn't use his ability that night

i don't want to say it but you kept pushing me. And everyone else dropped it casue i bet THEIR powers got redirected as well.

No because you refuse to listen, or even accept any explanation except the one you believe. And saying things like this is gonna get us both killed.
So yeah, i am very frustrated. You are so wrong. And if you are ever wrongly accused by someone who refuses to accept or even consider any other explanation, you will be frustrated too.

You won't even consider what I am saying, what everyone else has gotten. Not sure why. And it sin;t because i 'bullied' them.

it's becasue they were willing to look at all possibilities.

Linki, and yeah, my power did get redirected. 100%

You never read the rest of the civvie roles like i asked you to did you Trice??????????????????????????????????

I know it becasue MY results got scrambled, you dolt. OTHER ROLES GOT SCRAMBLED. Not just the kill roles.

*Shakes head*

I give the fuck up, lol.

OMG, lol. Stop it.

I did read it. It explains a lot.

And no, it isn't the same. You have been beating us over the head with following your suspicion because everyone elses is just bandwagons, ets, etc. I don't recall trying to make anyone feel dumb or like a lemming if they did not follow my suspicions. Sadly, my suspicions have sucked, lol.

But I see your point.

I am still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe I see something others are missing.

That looks more red than orange~ ^^ s/b orange-y-er

Oh Boy, Sarcastic Helper. I can't wait! I wil be back after dinner~

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:He doesn't have INH in his voting charts? Hard to rread them on phone.

Well, now I am curious too lol. He has been wanting to lynch INH for days, I just assumed that was the point of all this~

Linki@ Rabbit, I said WE as in lynch, lol~ nice try

You did say we, thats true. But you said nothign about a lynch. And we could refer to your team IMO. Baddie slip SVS?

Like I said, good try, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Lynching is killing~ and if we lynch his candidate and he flips civ, then we kill DH.

He doesn't have INH in his voting charts? Hard to rread them on phone.

Well, now I am curious too lol. He has been wanting to lynch INH for days, I just assumed that was the point of all this~

Linki@ Rabbit, I said WE as in lynch, lol~ nice try

I did in 70s and in Enchanted Forest. I made up statistics, a,ll kkindsa crazy crap, lol. I also did something similar to Tranq & Typh on the first ACTA, making up ratios of post to content, lol.

Maybe not to this extent, but that is what it looks like nevertheless~

I am inclined to trust, and if he's wrong we'll kill him. Civ or bad, I can't see him going to this length unless he's pretty sure.

I dunno, when I have info, or think I do, and can't find areal case, I flood the thread with data hoping a pattern emeges to someone. This is the kind of bizarre post I make in that situation. DH has been sounding frustratted and reasonably sincere, if snarkish, to me.

He has been screaming "INH!!!!!" For days, I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt

BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Vomps also made no effort even a single time to defend himself against accusations

He did towards the end by voting for me, but even that didn't catch much attention or change any opinions.

Yeah, and that actually made me more suspicious of him, not less.

And then there is this:

• Red Eyeball – Likes to cause chaos and confusion. Benefits greatly if Residents Fanboy is lynched. (Secrets)

So this result was even suckier than it would seem at first glance

DH is looking at INH. Trice is looking at me. Most of us were looking at Vomps, becasue he voted Rabbit twice for "personal reasons" and he defended someone to the point that it seemed he was trying to set him up Day One.

It's worth rereading if you have time

And Hi <3

Basically, new player errors or quirks being blown out of hand. For instance, Droopy was lynched because he seemed to be part of a counter movement to save bea (the one baddie we have lynched) and then when people mentioned his name, he said he wanted to lynch low posters. He was rezzed.

Basicially, I think some of the more experienced players (like me, unfortunately) have been looking at inexperienced players with jaded eyes, if you get what i am getting at.

FUCK

What are you talking about Trice? How do you know it is incorrect?

i really have no idea why you are pushing so hard, but honestly (and non theoretically speaking) I am a civvie. Can't speak for BWT, but i am.

And INH, I have (contrary to his opinion) paid pretty close attention to DH. A few things he has said have made me want to think he is a civ. And some of the things he says make sense to me.

For some reason I thought this poll ended at 7 :o

In Classic Rock at TP, he kept posting "Bump" in the thread for no discernable reason. I found him charming, and still do. Also has some awesome music

Vote INH if that is who you most suspect, I statement vote all the time. I was actually considering following your suspicion and voting for INH myself, but then Vomps dropped his only consistent position, and voted for someone i think is probably a civvie.

Vompatti wrote:

juliets wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I feel like I should inform in advance I will NOT be voting for rabbit8 this time.

Vompatti who do you suspect this time?

BoatsBoatsBoats seems to try to play it safe by pretending to be convinced that I'm a baddie.

I find it unlikely that BBB is bad. He seems sincere and seems to be going his own way, I do not have the impression that he is pretending to think you are bad or that others are influencing his decisions, he has been pretty consistent in his belief that you are bad.

i was waffling, and really want to explore the other suspicions out there, I think DH may have a few points. But those negative votes have me nervous, and I would prefer not to spread them too much today. I am gonna vote Vomp, sorry if you are not bad, but the little that you have said that was not quirky and whimsical has sounded suspicious to me

*Voting Vompatti*

How snarky~

DharmaHelper wrote:SVS is making me feel icky.

Then my work here is done~

Trice, I am not bullying anyone

I think you are intentionally ignoring what I am trying to tell you, and whick I think everyone else has gotten.

And if you think I am bullying you or anyone else, please discuss it with Spacedaisy, who is sitting out for this very reason. I never intend to make anyone feel uncomfortable.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
Plus there is a hell of a lot of secrets, including at least one zany target/role/summat switching power, which I think we saw on night one. Plus a whole team all of whose powers seem to be "loves chaos", lol.

Well now, hold on. After night one you made a big deal about how DFaraday was a bad target to NK, which is why I and maybe a couple other people were looking at you, but now you've entirely changed your position to that it was redirected. Baddie slip up, or just taking your own theories too seriously?

LOL, I said that this was why i said that.

You have been trying WAAAAAAAYYYY too hard to paint me bad. As i recall you were looking at me, and a few people that understood what I was getting at and backed off.

No

More like, there is reason at all to believe that NK was redirected unless it was your NK

I assume you meant to say "More like, there is NO reason at all to believe that NK was redirected unless it was your NK"

Well, perhaps there were other powers besides kills that did not go as expected night one? Perhaps that might make someone think, along with the very unexpected NK target, that some targets may have been switched? I never changed my position~ as soon as people started saying this line of discussion was suspicious, I clarified my intent, and everyone but you dropped it. Forcing people to spell things out is not the civviest action, Trice.

Unfortunately, i have a tendency to do that myself, lol. A few times this game i have been mid post, writing something like, "Well why do you think that, don't you think there would have been a subtle ***** in the thread if ***** and..." and then realized that what I was actually replying to WAS a sublte ****, lol, and scrapped the post. So I am the last to suspect you for continually pushing this point. But do me a favor, read the roles, and see allllll the non baddie ways someone might know things may have been rotten in Denmark on Night One, OK?

And Epi, looking at the tone of the thread, i would not worry too much about those 3 votes. I see a few low level Vomp defenses popping into the thread which makes me feel better, but I'm still kinda paranoid after 2 'easy, obvious" lynches led to civs.

In addition to INH & DH, I also want to reread The Truth to see why someone wanted to kill him. Work today, so i may or may not have time to do this today, may have to wait until tonight.

Thank you~ I will reread him and you

The fact that NO resistance has come up to Vomp is making me incredibly paranoid that we are looking at another civ. Or not. GAH.

i am going to bed before i paranoid myself into a corner.

Any reason other than the fact that he wanted to avoid a penalty?

Don;t make other people do all the work, man~

AWESOME. Can you elarorate, plz, kthx??

Well, being in a different thread, I kinda think the poker is slowing discussion~every time i think there is a post in the game, it is in there, lol, so I will bbl. Maybe the poker will have slowed down in the AM.

Is anyone suspicious of anyone but Vomp???

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
Plus there is a hell of a lot of secrets, including at least one zany target/role/summat switching power, which I think we saw on night one. Plus a whole team all of whose powers seem to be "loves chaos", lol.

Well now, hold on. After night one you made a big deal about how DFaraday was a bad target to NK, which is why I and maybe a couple other people were looking at you, but now you've entirely changed your position to that it was redirected. Baddie slip up, or just taking your own theories too seriously?

LOL, I said that this was why i said that.

You have been trying WAAAAAAAYYYY too hard to paint me bad. As i recall you were looking at me, and a few people that understood what I was getting at and backed off.

Linki @ JC~ I am not really paying attention to poker, I am trying to concentrate on this thread. You said you had read the thread, did you get any initial impressions?

Yeah, it mainly seems to be burying this thread, lol~

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Welcome back droopy.

Hard to tell whether surviving an NK is civ or baddie. Not even counting all the role secrets, I see multiple ways that somebody of either persuasion could survive an attempt. Not sure this result helps us label the two attempted targets at all. We don't even know if it's good or bad that they survived. We do know, though, that neither Ziltoid nor Herman killed a civ tonight for sure, so that's positive

And yeah, I don't see myself not voting vomps - barring a bad slip up

There are a lot of secrets, but seems to me most of the survivability powers are civ. Captain Spectacular survives Ziltoid attacks, Omnidimensional Creator can survive any attack, Mike Patton can impersonate Spectacular or the Creator to gain immunity. Moondog "conceals," Exuma "keeps away evil spirits," etc. I think it's significantly less likely that either of the survivors are baddies.

Except that it sounds like an entire baddie team has potential for an NK protect

• Ziltoidian Monk – He prays every night for the safety of Ziltoid and his comrades. If his prayer is successful, any members on his team may live to see another day. Naturally, he prays harder for his own survival than anyone else’s, however. (Secrets)

Plus there is a hell of a lot of secrets, including at least one zany target/role/summat switching power, which I think we saw on night one. Plus a whole team all of whose powers seem to be "loves chaos", lol.

insertnamehere wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Conversation is good

Based on the way he sounded at the end, I think he really is a civ, though.

Do you have any other suspicions, INH? How do you feel about Vomp?

Linki @ Rey~ me too, but then, you did not play Avant 1. Holy Shit, that game had all kinds of crazy crap, lol, i wouldn't put anything past MP. But like I said, I really do think Droopy is a civ.

Vomp's acting like he wants to be lynched, and doesn't really act as if he cares. This could just be that he just doesn't care anymore, or it could have some secret role magic involved. Or maybe he doesn't understand the game.

he played once before that i am aware of, and he was a very awesome first time player. He fooled a lot of people, and his randomness helped him do that. So while his own behavior is raising the brow, I am more curious as to why Beas team did not try to lynch him when she started taking votes.

If it was the whimsical behavior (although Rabbit might not consider taking votes from him for unexplained "personal reasons" to be whimsical) alone, or the Day 2 lynch alone, I would just watch, and not act. But both..

Still, after 2 reasonably unopposed civ lynches, the total lack of a defense is also making me second guess myself.

Were Vomp not on the table, who else would people be looking at?

SVS would like to hear more from chaindeath who also was suspected for potentially saving Bea. I am interested in Juliets' opinions as well, I like to know we see eye to eye.

Conversation is good

Based on the way he sounded at the end, I think he really is a civ, though.

Do you have any other suspicions, INH? How do you feel about Vomp?

Linki @ Rey~ me too, but then, you did not play Avant 1. Holy Shit, that game had all kinds of crazy crap, lol, i wouldn't put anything past MP. But like I said, I really do think Droopy is a civ.

insertnamehere wrote:Welcome back Droopy, you still have an from me.

Why? I know there are secrets, but without actually seeing a Seemer role, all it is is speculation. If he is NOT who he says he is, at least one person, Zappa, will know after the next night, because if Zappa has not already found Beefheart, he certainly will do so now. If someone is a Seemer, it certainly would be the worst possible thing to show up as a civ BTSC role, lol.

Welcome back Droopy <3

This one~

I wouldn't put it past him

BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:With the recent trend (excluding bea), I think it would be more effective if we were to place our suspicion on those suspecting people. Of course, this makes me guilty, but I think some people are pulling our stings.

In all fairness, Droopy really did sound coached. I know that there is civ BTS in this game, and that Cap'n Beefheart is one of the roles with potential for it. I guess it is possible that Zappa found him already. Although the coached sounding things Droopy was saying were baddie sounding things, lol, things I don't see a civvie partner couching him to say.

I will say that with more experience under his belt, Droopy will be an awesome player (Leech as well), he had me wondering at the end; I hope he keeps playing. Sometimes if you are convinced someone is bad (and I was convinced he was bad, and since there was no question he would be lynched, I voted for the other person i am pretty convinced was bad, Vomp) it can be easy to read everything they say in that light. It is a common mistake, and i don;t really suspect anyone for doing it in this case.

Unless there is an outing or some astonishing development, I intend on voting for Vomp. When I reread Day One (something I would advise doing) I realized i had forgotten how suspicious Vomp really was during Day One. And the fact that there was this incredibly suspicious character that seemed to be everyones second choice for a lynch floating around when Bea needed saving, and that the Residents did not try to lynch him, but Rabbit instead who is not an easy person to lynch, really makes me think he is quite possibly a Resident himself.

juliets wrote:Hi everyone - I know some of you from other forums and then there are others that I'm not familiar with but look forward to playing with. Please give me a little bit of time to catch-up. Are there lynch records somewhere or should I create them as i read? Also, anything else i should know as I start this? Anything you're looking for an opinion from people on right now that I can keep in mind as I read?

I think i can be completely caught up by tomorrow though it looks like a daunting task. Thanks for any help you can give me!

JC <3

I never said that

Vompatti wrote:This certainly sheds a new light on things!

Yes it does. We should have lynched you~