The Syndicate

I just enjoy being right

Metalmarsh89 wrote:S~V~S, are you a member of mafia?

No, I am not.

ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -

what about a Wigly lynch?

I could do this, he is in my top 3. I think IAWY was bad, the only person who really knows him said he was bad, and Wilgy has not come in here and made me feel any better about him.

I think LC is a risk to the town in general, but if we collectively believe we have a lynchable cylon, I am OK with that too. This way when Cain starts killing people or whatever anti town thing it is that his role does besides imposing black & white rules on a grey situation, I can get to say "I told you so" which I enjoy immensely whenever it happens.

Ricochet wrote:What does everyone think of Vompatti? I seem to be at liberty to talk about him and him only, oh my frak. He made a delicate post yesterNight implying he's bad Cylon. I know he had his outing-himself-as-baddie moments in the past (Biblical) and I even said (more or less humorously) that I'd believe him saying he's bad Cylon, but for what it's worth, my last impression of Vompatti is him outing himself with ease when he was civ on a mission (cop). Instead, if bad, I can see him not exactly working with his team in any way, but neither exactly outing himself or sabotaging the state of the team via exposure.

I think Vomps is a bit more chaotic when he is a civ. He's bored, and no one is relying on him. He tends to be more on topic on occasion when he's bad, and as I recall, he is a good teammate. He plots & shows up in chat & sends his PMs and would never intentionally sabotage his team. I have not seen that occasional glimmer of focus from him this game.

Black Rock wrote:

Dex wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Nope SVS. Not that easy. I think you are trying to separate the two but the more I play this game (and the more I understood my role), the more I understand that faction is where we should be unless we're traitors. So are you Cylon or human traitor? They both exist.

Well, President Roslin passed the Cylon Amnesty Act. Is she Cylon or human traitor?

In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.

So a civvie can be a human traitor? But they are still town, right? This is not as simple as Humans vs. Cylons.

And I was not trying to imply that you are "that girl". The "so it is about LC" comment was aimed more at LC saying I was putting words in your mouth when I presumed that this was why you thought I was bad. I think you would have this attitude towards me if it was not LC as well. I said that as I would have said anyones name. I would not ever expect you to "be that girl" and I am sorry that I came across that way.

I am sorry but i think Cain is anti town. But I also agree to give him time as he asked. I don't have to vote until tomorrow. But I don't think Cain is a vanilla dictator. The other shoe is going to drop.

Sens a Sortie to F3 please.

Long Con wrote:

Dex wrote:LC, you once posted a list of the roles and guessed their alignment. Now that we know who the secret role is, what is your call on Cain?

I believe Cain needs to kill all Cylons. I don't think, and didn't think back then, that this game is a simple civ vs bad. I think Cain upsets certain factions, and that the Cylons that most humans need dead are the biggest likely voice of those factions. It just makes logical sense.

So I think you're bad news for the town and now I'm a cylon?

I am not a cylon. I don't like dictators and martial law can't be good. Te other shoe has not dropped yet. And it will.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:See,I disagree,Epi. I think JJJ is stone cold civvie, and I don't get the suspish there, either.

Linki,me too. I want to hear it.

Linki, so it is about LC? I think he ia a bad human who is a danger to us all.

No SVS. Thanks for trying to make me THAT girl. I love my husband in real life, it's true. I am talking about my own win conditions. Not his. Also about the show. Epig has the only Cylon role that I trust, and you are worried about the other Cylons that committed human genocide. Besides thinking LC is Cain, explain why you trust Cylons over her. I mean listed Cylons, the ones that killed 12 colonies. LoRab was one of those Cylons. I'm not sad about her death. Unless your win condition features some human death, I am confused about your focus.

I don't trust cylons over her, I don't trust any of them. I think she is just as dangerous to sometown people as the cylons. I am also worried about human roles like Helo & Baltar whose win cons may well be related to cylons. I am worried about Adama, based on the reading I have done. President Roslin. We have no clue what Cain can do but I am sure it is not good.

I just think she is as anti town as the cylons. She declared Martial law, and took the fleet way from Adama.

And I think we know who she is, so yeah, I would love to lynch Cain. I think she is anti town, 100%, human or not. But we have 2 days to vote,I am willing to listen to LC, and see what else happens.

Linki @ BR, but not PRO TOWN. This game is not as simple as that. I think Cain is not protown. Cain is pro faction, and faction =/= town.

Now really, good night

Long Con wrote:

Linki, lol, how much time?

And couple of days. Can you just lynch Cylons until then or something? Is your win conditions going to be resolved in that time? You don't need Cain gone until it is time to end the game. I swear to you that you are better off and will have a greater chance of winning if you let me be. Unless you get lynched instead. But thats obvious.

Epignosis wrote:"I can write my name."

"Can you now?"

"No. I need time."

Crappy comparison. Don't do that. It's not that simple, you don't know what's going on.

You waiting for something else to happen?

EBWOP, that she is good for the town as a whole?

BlackRock, do you think Admiral Cain is a good role?

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And I was not putting words into anyones mouth, I am trying to understand what she means.

BR has not said anything to me or about me the whole game, so I am hard pressed to understand why she suddenly thinks I am bad if it is not related to my main topic of discussion for some time now, how I think that you are bad, LC.

Thanks for dropping the time back Golden. I a still staying up too late lol.

I used to think you had the humans best interests at heart. I no longer think you do. I just focused on LoRab first and had a hiccup with the game. Now that is over and I have shaken my head, I realize you aren't my friend this game.

I am sorry you feel that way but you are mistaken. I am a human, but I do not think all the Cylons are baddies. And I hate the win cons that say they are. I want the win cons that we had back. And since the president gave us the silliest law possible, I think that is telling us that the President is unable to get us out old wincons back. Which means the admiral has to go.

See, where I stand. Nothing is worse for me and I AM human, and not a bad one. So I have to question where you stand and why killing a human is SO important to you.

She isn't just a human, she is a tyrannical dictator. She declared Martial law and hurt people I think are part of the town. It has nothing to do with its effects on me as an individual, it has to do with the effects on the town as a whole.

And I don't see this role having any good effects. Only bad ones.

Again, sorry you feel this way.

Beddy bye,night all.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And I was not putting words into anyones mouth, I am trying to understand what she means.

BR has not said anything to me or about me the whole game, so I am hard pressed to understand why she suddenly thinks I am bad if it is not related to my main topic of discussion for some time now, how I think that you are bad, LC.

Thanks for dropping the time back Golden. I a still staying up too late lol.

I used to think you had the humans best interests at heart. I no longer think you do. I just focused on LoRab first and had a hiccup with the game. Now that is over and I have shaken my head, I realize you aren't my friend this game.

I am sorry you feel that way but you are mistaken. I am a human, but I do not think all the Cylons are baddies. And I hate the win cons that say they are. I want the win cons that we had back. And since the president gave us the silliest law possible, I think that is telling us that the President is unable to get us out old wincons back. Which means the admiral has to go.

I can change your mind.

I have an open mind, regardless of what you might think. I was hoping the President would back you up. But I am going to bed.

I can catch an AM sortie if someone posts the schedule during the night.

Linki, yes,Polo, I know that,poor wording on my part. Fundamentally changed our win cons. I think Epi, a cylon, for instance, is aligned with the town. But now we need him dead, and wtf for? And potentially Six.

Linki, lol, how much time?

I feel he unilaterally changed our win cons, and he only has his own, indy, agenda at heart, not ours.

See,I disagree,Epi. I think JJJ is stone cold civvie, and I don't get the suspish there, either.

Linki,me too. I want to hear it.

Linki, so it is about LC? I think he ia a bad human who is a danger to us all.

*Admiral Cain. Forme it is asimple think. If you have any other reason for thinking I am a cylon, I would like to hear them.

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And I was not putting words into anyones mouth, I am trying to understand what she means.

BR has not said anything to me or about me the whole game, so I am hard pressed to understand why she suddenly thinks I am bad if it is not related to my main topic of discussion for some time now, how I think that you are bad, LC.

Thanks for dropping the time back Golden. I a still staying up too late lol.

I used to think you had the humans best interests at heart. I no longer think you do. I just focused on LoRab first and had a hiccup with the game. Now that is over and I have shaken my head, I realize you aren't my friend this game.

I am sorry you feel that way but you are mistaken. I am a human, but I do not think all the Cylons are baddies. And I hate the win cons that say they are. I want the win cons that we had back. And since the president gave us the silliest law possible, I think that is telling us that the President is unable to get us out old wincons back. Which means the admiral has to go.

And I was not putting words into anyones mouth, I am trying to understand what she means.

BR has not said anything to me or about me the whole game, so I am hard pressed to understand why she suddenly thinks I am bad if it is not related to my main topic of discussion for some time now, how I think that you are bad, LC.

Thanks for dropping the time back Golden. I a still staying up too late lol.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Linki,Um, I read that in exactly the opposite way but OK

Well, duh. It's open to interpretation. He's clearly irritated about Cain, but that "traitor" part is pretty adamant.

S~V~S wrote:I think LCis bad so I am a Cylon?

Well, first, no, I'm not bad, and second, BR didn't say anything about me being bad. Why are you instantly trying to alter what she said?

I thought he was saying allegiance to you is being a traitor

And that is the only thing I can think of that she is saying, becasue sayingyou were bad is literally all I have been talking about for days; what else would she be referring to but what I was talking about?

I don;t understand what she means.

Did you think I was Adama? This post confuses me, BR.

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has brought in a new law:

Revival of the Arts Act: As many of the arts of the colonies were lost in the attack, we must begin to add to our arts collection. Each day, one random player must post only in haiku.

Golden wrote:Hey guys and gals and little green things,

It's Adama again! ISN'T ADMIRAL CAIN JUST A GREAT LEADER *mutters something unintelligible, coughs*. I'M SO HAPPY WE HAVE HER HERE NOW TO GUIDE US TOWARD THE FUTURE AND STUFF *you're not sure, but it sounds like Adama was armpit farting throughout that sentence*. She's even letting me take some time off to spend with the kids *prolonged spazzy screech*.

DON'T BE A TRAITOR. DON'T BE A TRAITOR. DON'T BE A TRAITOR.

So say we all

So say we all...

So Adama did not watch the show... and is not SVS. SVS is cylon after all. That's what I take from this thread. I will likely vote for SVS today. Her interests do not seem to align with the humans, she can't be trusted. Which breaks my heart.

I think LCis bad so I am a Cylon?

So say we all.

That could be understood in a variety of ways.

Let's all put our top three on the table.

For me it is Wilgy, sig & LC. It might have been Wilgy, Faraday & LC, but Dex is representing imo.

Linki,Um, I read that in exactly the opposite way but OK

Hrm, that does not much sound like the President restored win cons. But yay for haiku

RIP Scotty

Oh also all that business about how all Cylons must die, and then Cain imposes her "All Cylons Must Die" win cons on everyone.

Thought this was interesting.

Linki, I have given my train of thought multiple times,LC. This is how I operate and is how I have always operated. You made that post about the person with the second most votes, you seemed to be trying to get lynched,you seemed to not care about what happened or what you did. You were waiting for something to happen, your overall thread behavior & demeanor points to it. Then something did happen and your demeanor changed literally overnight.

All they need to do it read your ISO. I am not going to quote every post you made this game becasue the difference in pre Cain LC & post Cain LC is notable. They just have to read you.

I will do anything up to and including any possible public humiliating apology you like if you are NOT Cain. What surprises me is that more people don;t see it, your shift was so clear to me.

sig wrote:you know it is more likely that the baddies claimed first or came up with the idea. I know if I was mafia I'd have jumped on this claim thing right away AND THEN pushed a lynch on anyone who hadn't claimed. Which is what Polo is trying to do, he also last phase kept asking people what they thought of certain players and pushing a lynch, for these reasons I think he's mafia.

I'm also glad nobody addressed any of my points on zebra what does everyone think of her providing almost no content and just one liners throughout the game.

I'd rather live on my knees then die on my feet!...........hmmm that sounds like I messed up the quote.


@SVS why do you think I'm a cylon? Since I'm not.

Well, since we could not say "null" in the GTH, and I totally did not think you were good and I had disagreed with most of what I recalled you as having said, I said bad. But your reaction to realizing that pretty much everyone suspected you was to totally backpedal on everything you had said the entire game. That took you from null bad to probably bad for me.

Polo, you are missing my point. I think Wilgy is probably a Cylon, I think Sig could be a cylon, I think several people might be cylons. I am super positive willing to stake my entire reputation on it that LC is Cain.

LOL, I am gonna go do laundry or dishes or anything except get out my blue face paint ha ha ha

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Thanks for the reminder.

Polo wrote:I'm not ever going to give people a civ pass for claiming, but be damn sure that the evil Cylons aren't okay with losing their first lynch immunity.
Most people have already used up their claim; do you want to let Cavil and his toaster pals get the upper hand? Frakking hell.

If I were an evildoer, I'd be perfectly okay playing ball. Why? Because it buys me credibility with people like you. You are operating under the assumption that the people who aren't claiming must be bad because...well, they didn't claim! Even if you say you are not walking that path, you are. And your enthusiasm here sounds forced to me.

Say, tell me more about this "first" lynch immunity.

Here:

Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

They'll be immune to being lynched on the day of the declaration. That's what I meant; on the next day onward they'll be lynchable.

S~V~S wrote:

Polo wrote:The Amnesty Law can be ignored if everyone claims Cylon.

What does that have to do with we all now need Epi dead to win?It isn't fair and it's wrong.

I don't want Cains win cons, I want the win cons I had back. I want to defeat Cavil, and I want to do it free from a dictator. Who probably has other things up her evil sleeve, tbh.

Lynch Cavil and then we lynch Cain. I said nothing about lynching Epi.

And do you think you know who Cavil is? You say this like it is a simple thing. Did someone forget to send me the "Who IS Cavil" memo?

Lets see what happens in the night; if the win cons changeback I will back right the fuck off (see SIlver! I said "fuck" ). If they don't then as far as I am concerend, a bird in the hand etc. becasue Cain has to go since who knows what she will do next under martial law.

Polo wrote:The Amnesty Law can be ignored if everyone claims Cylon.

What does that have to do with we all now need Epi dead to win?It isn't fair and it's wrong.

I don't want Cains win cons, I want the win cons I had back. I want to defeat Cavil, and I want to do it free from a dictator. Who probably has other things up her evil sleeve, tbh.

Polo wrote:I don't. Do you think Cain is a bigger threat to town than Cavil?

I think Cain is a threat, yes, Martial law is not a good thing. Trashing peoples win cons is not a good thing. And I *think* I know who he is. Which is the salient point.

Polo wrote:I'll repeat myself: I'd rather go after Cavil and his pack before doing anything with regards to Cain.

Do you know who he is?

Let's do it. Give me a name.

Ebwop, I felt that he was not taking the game seriously, not HE felt doh.

OK, I just wanted to be sure than no one thought I was implying I have info. I don't. I would make a shitty case if I had info. I am just talking about how LC makes me feel (bad) and why. It started when he mentioned a point about looking out for someone lynched with the second most votes (the implication that the role with the most votes was a specific civ role).

The I really think he was trying to get lynched. Then his whole focus and tone drastically changed after Cain appeared, and after Cain had amazingly changed everyones wincons to reflect what LC had been saying since day one, all Cylons must die. He felt like he was not taking the game seriously, upsetting Indis careful schedule for no reason other than that he could. He was killing time. This is the feel I get from the totality of his game.

The last time I was so sure was that Bullz was bad in LOST again.

If either Cain or the President eliminate that, I am OK. If that dictatorship remains in place, I am not fine with it.

Linki,No.

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Ricochet wrote:People should simply address what has been pointed at in regards to him being a Cylon and decide if it sounds genuine / plausible / etc. or not. You can stick with the Cain vibes just as much, if you like, but address actual suggestive statements made in the game first. My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit".

I play based on my gut and how I feel about others. Especially people like LC who is a very careful baddie. If you are unhappy with the way I present my suspicion, don't vote based on it. But please don;t tell me how I should address things, ok? I have no clue what a Boomslang Gambit is, all I know is how I play the game.

I didn't really mean it as any criticism, but is it hard to look into address an angle that's more hint-based than gut-based?

I am pretty happy with my gut success rate. I am a tone reader moreso than gut, really, and tone is not something you can convey in a multiquote. Many,not all, but many, of my suspicions tend to be based on how a persons posts make me feel. As I said, if you don't agree with it, don't vote based on it. Some people don't leave a trail of breadcrumbs.

Linki @ Rico, oh that. Yeah I said I have no info,and I don't and if I did I would be alot more trying to build a thread based case. Poor Boom was 100% sure LC was bad (and so did a lot of people based on Macs shenanigans) so he faked that.

Linki @ OA, I think I would check on the dog.

Ricochet wrote:People should simply address what has been pointed at in regards to him being a Cylon and decide if it sounds genuine / plausible / etc. or not. You can stick with the Cain vibes just as much, if you like, but address actual suggestive statements made in the game first. My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit".

I play based on my gut and how I feel about others. Especially people like LC who is a very careful baddie. If you are unhappy with the way I present my suspicion, don't vote based on it. But please don;t tell me how I should address things, ok? I have no clue what a Boomslang Gambit is, all I know is how I play the game.

Thanks, OA.

Linki,he reads to me like he did in the last game I played with him where he was civ. That is the total basis for my read on Glorfindel

@OA, a lot of people are looking poorly at bea based on things said inher posts vs.things said in YOUR posts.

Since you are the only one who really knows what you were punished for, do you agree or disagree with suspicion of bea based on that comparison?

Dex wrote:

S~V~S wrote:As I understand it, Cain was like Athena, a literary device of sorts to demonstrate that all was not black/white, yes? Like in the original series, Cylons were unmitigated evil, no wiggle room. In the reboot,not so much (this is totally from the "only read multiple articles on the wiki & saw half of season one" perspective, I am going to bite the bullet & buy the mini series this weekend so season 1 makes more sense). Athena demonstrated that Cylons could be good, and Cain that humans could be bad. Is this correct? She seems somewhat of a tragic figure, but she seems driven by hate & revenge. No one could blame her personally for hating cylons in general, but it seeped into her command decisions, which is what made it bad.

Even if not for canon driven reasons that make me think this role is bad, I am not a fan of our win cons being made more difficult, since even if the remaining cylons seem to be predominantly bad, the Final Five, not so much.

If she backs down & restores our win cons, I am less likely to worry about her. But I view that win con thing as an act of aggression.

Pretty much. The Pegasus originally had an entourage of civilian ships like the Galactica, but she decided to strip them of vital equipment for spare parts for the Pegasus and left the people to die. For Cain, prosecuting the war against the Cylons trumped preserving the human race, which is kind of insane.

Plus, she delighted in torturing people. So... yeah.

I'm surprised you weren't all over the show.

Torturing people? I must be going to the wrong wiki.

I was going through some bad times at that time, I was not doing much in the way of TV until LOST dragged me in,and even then, that was pretty much all the TV I watched for a while. I think you're right, this lookd right up my alley.

Linki @LC, and if that happens, I can deal with it. But if it doesn't, that is a problem.

Ricochet you curmudgeon you.

Dex wrote:

Polo wrote:Do you know who Cain is then? If you knew who were Cain and Cavil, would you lynch Cain first?

I don't know who anyone is, but LC looks awful Cainish to me. And I think I would probably gun for Cain first, because what if D'Anna was civ? What power did she have? Maybe she was an effective anti-Cavil in some way. If not all cylons are mafia, then it stands to reason that the ones that aren't have something to contribute to the civ cause, and I just don't think we should be burning these potential positive resources without a second thought. Lynching Cain first just might make lynching Cavil and his ilk easier.

As I understand it, Cain was like Athena, a literary device of sorts to demonstrate that all was not black/white, yes? Like in the original series, Cylons were unmitigated evil, no wiggle room. In the reboot,not so much (this is totally from the "only read multiple articles on the wiki & saw half of season one" perspective, I am going to bite the bullet & buy the mini series this weekend so season 1 makes more sense). Athena demonstrated that Cylons could be good, and Cain that humans could be bad. Is this correct? She seems somewhat of a tragic figure, but she seems driven by hate & revenge. No one could blame her personally for hating cylons in general, but it seeped into her command decisions, which is what made it bad.

Even if not for canon driven reasons that make me think this role is bad, I am not a fan of our win cons being made more difficult, since even if the remaining cylons seem to be predominantly bad, the Final Five, not so much.

If she backs down & restores our win cons, I am less likely to worry about her. But I view that win con thing as an act of aggression.

Good night. And I forgot to say hi Dex xoxo nice to see you

Yeah I looked back and found it too.

Matt is good

Where was wilgy?

Did you mention wilgy? I think he's bad too

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