The Syndicate

Ebwop...phone posted before I finished

And for not being aggressive enough?

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:BR said she was voting for Trice but her vote is on llama

Oh, thanks a lot, BR.

I used sarcastic orange. Happy?

I think it's between Zombarella and Snowman for me. While I hate to vote for Zoombarella after the nice things she said about me, I've seen her play and she's not giving half of it this game. Yeah, she has another game, but this is getting closer to deadline and she's posted just enough to stay under the radar. In the other game she's more aggressive, and came charging into the game. I don't see any of it right now.


linki: Don't hosts let players change their vote if it's placed by mistake?

You're going to vote for a new player whose only game has been a speed game that was unconventional at most, and who then got dropped into this wild & crazy thread, for being nice to you?

By the way, BEST DAY ONE EVER!!!!!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

boo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Boo you wound me

You said you were considering voting a low poster. I don't think any SVS (civ, baddie, or indy) would do that in a normal game, which made me think you were a baddie since the baddies are not in their normal position. You didn't go for it, but if you had I'd have voted for you on the spot because that just would have been a whole other level of out of characterish-ness.

I haven't had time to read SVS yet so I missed that but you have a good point here.

Tbh I would not vote for Bass with a family member hospitalized whether good or bad. And my point was that baddies without BTSwould be less likely to be aggressive IMO to avoid lynching a teammate, at least the first few days, and I think they will fly low with this specific set of mechanics. Not that I wanted to vote typical low posters.

How do you think baddies with BTSC will act?

As individuals

I just think that not trying TOO hard to lynch people would be a logical move for a baddie who does not start with BTS. Depending on the player, it could also be a smart move to do the opposite for the WIFOM, but for the most part, lying low would be safer.

Black Rock wrote:

boo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Boo you wound me

You said you were considering voting a low poster. I don't think any SVS (civ, baddie, or indy) would do that in a normal game, which made me think you were a baddie since the baddies are not in their normal position. You didn't go for it, but if you had I'd have voted for you on the spot because that just would have been a whole other level of out of characterish-ness.

I haven't had time to read SVS yet so I missed that but you have a good point here.

Tbh I would not vote for Bass with a family member hospitalized whether good or bad. And my point was that baddies without BTSwould be less likely to be aggressive IMO to avoid lynching a teammate, at least the first few days, and I think they will fly low with this specific set of mechanics. Not that I wanted to vote typical low posters.

Boo you wound me

FZ. wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That is helpful.

While DH and Epi tango, and trice and Aces rave, boo feels like the odd one out in this party.

I am not seeing bad boo so far, not at all.

And FZ, "wot" meaning I disagree that discussing the Yotsuba is a baddie waste of time. They have a Kira and they have secret win conditions. I would rather lynch direct baddies, yes, but the Yotsuba may have a kill at some point, some rather vague point, Lol, so

So if you knew someone was this Yotsuba, you'd lynch them now instead of looking for a sure baddie?

Noooo, and that is not even close to what I said. You said discussing the Yotsuba was a waste of time. I disagree.

I clearly said right up there ^^^ that I would rather lynch direct baddies.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That is helpful.

While DH and Epi tango, and trice and Aces rave, boo feels like the odd one out in this party.

I am not seeing bad boo so far, not at all.

And FZ, "wot" meaning I disagree that discussing the Yotsuba is a baddie waste of time. They have a Kira and they have secret win conditions. I would rather lynch direct baddies, yes, but the Yotsuba may have a kill at some point, some rather vague point, Lol, so

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Let me back up. Epi, you said you suspected Rico because his lore-based assumptions seemed disingenuous.

You have made two lore-based assumptions

1) That a majority of the Yotsuba group pose no threat to the Detectives
2) That Russ, someone who (possibly) cannot defend himself from your vote and suspicion, must be bad because he is not posting.

Do you not see how these assumptions can come across as a touch disingenuous? You expect me to believe that you genuinely want to vote for a non-poster given all thats gone on? You expect me to believe that (without any quantifiable proof) Yotsuba are god fearing honest-to-goodness boyscouts?

Come on son.

Why does it even matter at this point? If you think Epi is a Yotsuba, do you really think he's the one we should be focusing on now? Unless you think he's a baddie talking about the Yotsuba. If he's a baddie, making the Yotsuba seem baddies to us is much better strategy. Either way, it's a waste of time

wat

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Bad not BSD *

I disagree, a spread out non focused vote is more likely to net a civvie, IMO.

It is my experience that the very vocal players are more likely to lynch each other than blendy middle of the pack players. But normally, we have a group that can play a fairly aggressive BSD game. But with these mechanics I think fading back s bit the first few days while the thread is distracted by all the one on one would be a pretty effective strstegy for baddies.

Me, I want to lynch baddies

He said a lot in 17 posts.

Ricochet wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote: Bea – Posts seem jokey and off topic. I don’t know what that means though.

This is the only read on a player that I'm confused about, because I actually noted bea supporting several times on D0-D1 the on-topic arguments by players such as boo or SVS and has discussed yesterday a bit with me and SVS regarding several low posters. So why did you see only "jokey and off topic" posts?

Bea can come across that way, especially on catch up skim. Until you either know her well, as I do, or have a direct real time conversation with her, as you did, I find that that is often the impression one can get from a quick read of her, since Bea is always about fun & the game in equal measure.

Normally I don't do inline comments, since it is really hard to see when you are in reply mode, but it would be harder to follow since it's a list if placed at the end.

Zomberella12 wrote:Okay – so here’s my thoughts based on all my reading and what little I know about players from the Donner game.

Ace – Seems to be hunting baddies. Is it to kill them or not kill them? I don't see him being this aggressive when bad
Bass – Sick family so I won’t vote for him. Ditto, same for Roxy
Bea – Posts seem jokey and off topic. I don’t know what that means though. It means she's Bea <3
Bird – No opinion. Would like to hear his thoughts
BlackRock – Only one post. I can’t find it. I agree with SVS that baddies might not want to post. Her & LC are quiet across the board, but would like to hear more from them
Boo – I liked Boo’s analysis of the Day 0 poll. I will not be voting to lynch Boo. Ditto
Boomslang – No opinion. I know he has been somewhat active, but I need to reread him
DH – You freak me out! But it sounds like that is normal. I am not a fan of your L/Light poll vote. DH is a force of nature at times; scary but amazing, lol.
DP – Your posts are few but packed with mystery. I don’t have a feel if you are good or bad and I think that might be how you like it. Never thought of it that way, but that is a good analysis of DP in general
Elo – No opinion. Looking to reread myself today
Epi – It seems like everyone thinks that you are a trouble maker. I don’t get that vibe, plus I like how much you care about using correct grammar in your posts. I will not be voting to lunch you today. He is a troublemaker and one of the few people I think capable of making a HUGE bluff. Doesn't mean he made one, though. But always worth watching.
FZ – I LOVE your analytical mind. I won’t vote to lunch you unless I have a really good reason to suspect that you are bad, and I don’t. FZ is a reread for me, only becasue I tend to agree with her when we're both civ, and I need to see where we are vis a vis each other. Due to the big one on one matches the past few days, she is one of several who have fallen through the cracks for me.
Juliets – No opinion. I know she was out of town for a day or two.
Lon Con – No opinion.See Black Rock
Made – Your avatar makes me laugh and your analysis reminds me of FZ’s. No worries for me here.
Matahari – No opnion. Her self characterization as a slow starter is fairly accurate iirc; and she does read everything. My opinion of her will be based on HOW she reads it.
MM – You seem different in this game then you did in Donner but that might just be because Donner was a different kind of game and you got killed first. Ditto; his bit of a hissy after a passing mention in a thread full of craziness got my eye
Rico – It looks like you chilled out a little. I like that you took my advice. Knows a lot about canon, and so far seems to have opinions somewhat in alignment with my own. I like that
Roxy – Hey! No opinion. <3 See Bass
Russ – No opinion. Really? Did you see the thing Epi said about him not posting? He has not made one post, but he did vote yesterday.
SVS – You seem to take the role of ‘game therapist.’ Always helping everyone get along and feel good about themselves. This is done more for myself than them, lol. Mafia is a weird pastime for someone who stresses over conflict
Snowman (my husband) – Always paying a game within the game. No opinion yet.
Spacedaisy – It is weird that you went back and forth on the Normal – L/Light vote. I think Daisy would have worried more about how things looked if she were bad, and would not have made a drive by of sorts.
Llama – You don’t seem to be posting very much. Ture. I would like to see more confrontational tunnelvision from Llama in order to feel civ feels about him.
Tricer – You did get defensive once someone mentioned you. He did. I started a reread last night, will finish today
Turnip – No opinion. Ditto, and that concerns me. Since, unlike LC & BR he has been present.
Zomba – You seem totally non-bad to me. Ditto.

Now that I’ve laid it all out I’m gonna post it and see who says what.

I am very unlikley to vote for one of the very vocal players, who I am viewing as DH, Epi, boo, then Aces & Trice. I separate the groups mainly because imo, as I said, I think baddies are much more likely to avoid making big cases since it could be a teamie they are lynching. I also think that, for the most part, baddies are less likely to fight really hard for a poll option that seems less civ than others.

This would mean I don't think any of those people (DH, Epi, boo, then Aces & Trice) are likely to be bad. But, of everyone I can think of the first 3 are amongst the most likely people I know to make a really, really bold ballsy move right out in the open. So no intention of voting for them today, but I would be crazy not to keep an eye on them.

I think Aces is sincere, and more cautious in that I am not so sure he would make a power play just to get trice lynched if he were bad. Trice looks a bit murkier, as I said, I am mid reread with him (and trice, I was only thinking of games in our "universe"; where else do you play?

OK, gonna be late for work if i don't shut up.

Made wrote:Caught up, but I don't feel there's a niche anywhere in conversation for me to fill as of yet.
I agree with SVS, while I did read the entirety of DH v Epi and Ace v Trice, I think it would help me during a reread if i knew where the arguments were going while reading. Personally, I feel like DH and Trice are arguing past each other on the "Good" remark, so if a third party could reframe that, both for my own understanding, and the mutual understanding of Dh and Trice, that'd be awesome.

Not a ping, but honestly, I expected Llama to take a bigger role in conversation thus far.

Epi, You said that ace is normally a quiet player, having never played with him, can you elaborate further?

also, play style reads on DP, Meta, Zomba, Boo, Trice, and Snowman would be nice if someone would like to offer them.

DP: Zen, quiet. Zomba & Snowman, new~ this is their first full game. They played/are playing the unconventional speed game where pretty much everyone has BTS, so they could be lost as this game is VERY different from that one. boo~ very astute, intense. Not a puller of punches. Trice has only played a handful of games, but they were all/mostly MP games. Bea knows his game best, as I said before.

Mata always has a unique perspective and sees things in ways that make her opinion valuable, but she has an unpredictability factor, so I would rather hear more than less from her, just to get a gauge on her.

And by "it" I mean the whole conversation, not just the one post.

AceofSpaces wrote:

S~V~S wrote:EBWOP, and I know I understand better in small, digestible bits.

Totally fine by me. I find myself skimming long post as well. I was actually really nervous making such a long post because, after all that's happened, I feel strongly that Trice is mafia but I also know people have only so much time that they can dedicate to reading these post.

Well, I plan to reread it now, knowing where it is going helps. I want beas opinion on him, too. They have been bad bts more than once, including on the Residents from the first Avant game; the game where MP had a whole SECRET BADDIE TEAM.

Imagine that

EBWOP, and I know I understand better in small, digestible bits.

Thank You~! I did read it; I guess you did not read my whole post

I just wanted the synopsis because, lets face it, a lot of people are NOT going to read the whole thing, and at times the whole thing got bogged down with semantics & minutiae, from both directions. Sometimes a concise statement can make more impact.

I don't think that would be as hard of a sell

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:So, from this wellspring of discussion and suspicion and theories and back and forths, you come away wanting to vote for a low poster?

No, that is not what I said. What I said was that I want to vote for someone I would expect to talk more but that is not talking.

Because I don't think the baddies would be making aggressive cases since they don't have BTSC.

And Thank You, MP

Anyone specific?

Not yet~ it is harder to find people who have NOT said much; I am not talking traditional low posters, I am talking people that we would expect to find in the thick of it. And here I was thinking you would be pleased I was not after you, and I got an instead (MY FAVE SMILEY EVER OF ALL TIMES, Squeeeeee!!!!)

It is also hard to have an original thought when all this finger pointing is going on, and "You said 'did', not 'done' " and similar fine points of debate going on.

From Day 0, the three people I most recall are boo, Epi & DH. You all made good arguments, but you three are also the three players in this game most capable, imo, of talking the Pope into converting to Islam. Since then, most of what I have seen is telescoping molehills into mountains, including Aces (Aces! Posting! Yay!) v. Trice. I have never seen Trice as an aggressive baddie, but I would like Beas opinion on this. Because today he seemed to somehow find himself at the bottom of a barrel of rhetoric from multiple sources.

I read all of that, 1.5 hours of my life I will never get back (and at my age, every hour counts). And I still would like the tl;dr version from both Aces & Trice. If possible to indulge me Because I am seeing molehills, not Everest.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:So, from this wellspring of discussion and suspicion and theories and back and forths, you come away wanting to vote for a low poster?

What's suspicious about that? It seems very sensible to me. I have personally found all the verbose squabbling very unproductive.

With the mechanics of this game, like I said, if I were bad, I would be sitting back eating bon bons & drinking a glass of wine while all of you guys pummelled each other to bits. In this game, I don;t see the percentage in baddies playing an aggressive game. Unless you WIFOM it, which is also possible.

EBWOP, so therefore, I doubt all you guys ripping at each other are bad.

DharmaHelper wrote:So, from this wellspring of discussion and suspicion and theories and back and forths, you come away wanting to vote for a low poster?

No, that is not what I said. What I said was that I want to vote for someone I would expect to talk more but that is not talking.

Because I don't think the baddies would be making aggressive cases since they don't have BTSC.

And Thank You, MP

*Googled

I think I might give Llama a heart attack, but I think I am considering a vote for a lower poster, Someone I would expect to have had more to say, but who has not stepped up to the plate. Although the plate has been rather crowded for Day One

Because if I was a baddie, I don't know that I would be making aggressive cases, because the baddie I catch might be a teammate. It would be awesome cred, but I dunno, living teammates are more awesome than cred.

Also, @ MP~ is a knowledge of Death Note necessary to effectively play this game?

A lot about how I feel re the Russti theory depends on this answer. If MP says you don't need it, then someone being possible role silenced (which I have never heard of role wise, but it is not impossible, I guess) as it relates to the title of one episode of this show, that involves 2 bad characters (as well as others according to Rico) seems tenuous at best.

It would be a hindrance to gameplay to have to Google stuff all the time to try out a theory.

Although when i Googles "list of Death Note Episodes" one of them is called "Makeshift" and it is focused on the Yotsuba group.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Why are you making this into something it isn't? I never said I suspected you, and was only giving my opinion in reply to someone else.

Because I've been falsely accused.

By who? Not me.

Why are you making this into something it isn't? I never said I suspected you, and was only giving my opinion in reply to someone else.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:As for more suspicious D0 voters: Bass (simple hello, then simple vote for Normal, towards the end of the D0 show), Snowman (popcorn reactions to the D0 game, votes for an odd option, then has to be begged a bit to reason his option) and DisgruntledPorcupine (very late odd option, no reasoning). MM sort of saved himself along the way, because he started poorly by voting early and for a jokey reason, more jokey reactions to what happened along and only late in the day starting to question or reply to some discussion or theories.

Bass & DP ALWAYS play this way, no indication as to affiliation. Bass will open up with time, DP may or may not i am not seeing the Snowman thing as you are. Sometimes when people are putting on a good show, you have to grab the popcorn & watch. Plus this was a VERY unusual Day 0; generally Day 0 is a full day of that sort of thing. That would apply to bass & DH as well. MM is a hard one for me, he always seems to misconstrue what people say to the point that it seems intentional. So not sure there.

Give me a break. I haven't misconstrued anyone or anything... yet.

But seriously. Why don't you wait until it's true before you say that, rather than casually introduce that meta so that people will keep something like that in mind when they're reading me. Before I know it, I'll be mixconstrued.

Because you were one of the people Ricochet mentioned and in Mafia we give our opinions. and actually, I did think you kinds did it last night. Boo had said something that I thought was very clear and direct, and you interpreted it as almost the exact of what he said. I will find it when I am not on phone.

Is testosterone flammable?

I get up about 4:30 so yeah.

And yes, re the approach. Llama and I tradionally disagree about that. I have gone after him hard for being anti speculation (read: discussion) in the past. That was why I never bought into his Vomps case although I took flack for it; I could see him being energized and thus more involved via the theme.

But much as I don't like it, I have come to accept that this is his normal, and how the game is fun for him.

Ha ha I am just going to work, 7:30 am here. Standing in the snow at the bus stop.

EBWOP~ I am quoting the whole paragraph in whole for clarity:

Bass & DP ALWAYS play this way, no indication as to affiliation. Bass will open up with time, DP may or may not i am not seeing the Snowman thing as you are. Sometimes when people are putting on a good show, you have to grab the popcorn & watch. Plus this was a VERY unusual Day 0; generally Day 0 is a full day of that sort of thing. That would apply to bass & DH as well. MM is a hard one for me, he always seems to misconstrue what people say to the point that it seems intentional. So not sure there.

That highlighted section should read:

That would apply to bass & DP as well.

that could have been VERY confusing lol

I don't necessarily think Epi is bad, quite the opposite at this point~ lots of what he says makes total civ sense to me, and it is too early to tell with all the chest beating going on. But I am somewhat wary of him not so much for drawing a conclusion re The Yotsuba, as for being so adamant that anyone drawing a different conclusion is so very obviously incorrect. I thought the status of that group was rather vague, and open to interpretation. They are led by a Kira, start with not-necessarily-BTS just like the clearly labeled baddies, and have those ??? win conditions. They COULD be a loosely connected Indy team, or they COULD be a ninja assassin squad or, knowing MP, almost anything.

Plus that whole discussion last night, what I saw was this:



I think I am going to reread a few people later, in isolation from the Testosterone bath.

@Ricochet (won't call you Chet since you don't want to be called that), generally the theme is secondary to the Mafia. Otherwise people who were unfamiliar with the theme would not play, or would be unable to follow if they did. There is still lots of theme to go around, but you don't NEED to know it in order to effectively play. That can be a bummer if you are way into the theme, but sometimes it does transcend and you get the real feel of the theme. The Harry Potter game here was like that. Although that could be because HP is a theme with which most people are familiar. That said, lots of hosts work theme appropriate mechanics into their games, and MP is one of them. So your speculations could be spot on. I think it was a reasonable thought re BTS, and one I also considered and I don't know anything about the theme. L/Light seem to be point/counterpoint in the set up, so I could see them having parallels.

Also, I used to think Llama was bad ALL THE TIME for his ideas about how the game should be played. His tendency to wade in, see something that pings him, grab it and not let go EVER doesn't always help. Maybe it is seeing more of you, but so far, you are not on my reread list.

As for more suspicious D0 voters: Bass (simple hello, then simple vote for Normal, towards the end of the D0 show), Snowman (popcorn reactions to the D0 game, votes for an odd option, then has to be begged a bit to reason his option) and DisgruntledPorcupine (very late odd option, no reasoning). MM sort of saved himself along the way, because he started poorly by voting early and for a jokey reason, more jokey reactions to what happened along and only late in the day starting to question or reply to some discussion or theories.

Bass & DP ALWAYS play this way, no indication as to affiliation. Bass will open up with time, DP may or may not i am not seeing the Snowman thing as you are. Sometimes when people are putting on a good show, you have to grab the popcorn & watch. Plus this was a VERY unusual Day 0; generally Day 0 is a full day of that sort of thing. That would apply to bass & DH as well. MM is a hard one for me, he always seems to misconstrue what people say to the point that it seems intentional. So not sure there.

I think if Daisy was bad, she would have said something when she voted. I can see brisk civ Daisy being busy and thinking, I laid out my reasoning earlier, gotta vote; then voting and running. Bad Daisy would have been more worried about appearances imo.

There is a lot of "too early to tell" going on here, with too big a helping of testosterone vapors.

But it is WAY

I have been calling Zomberella Zomba. And yeah, Rico Suave! So I do like Chet.

And I totally agree with the Tarzan Theorem re DH & Epi. Alpha male chest pounding and circling and swaggering.

That said, mystery win conditions, potential future BTS based on the role descriptions, and a Kira with a possible death note don't sound like a civvie group, Epi.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote: My second suspect is llama for the following reason:
1) His mocking of the "Speculation" went a tad overboard in my view and felt antagonistic. With a game like this that contains many secrets the only way for us to have any idea of anything is to staart speculating, forming ideas and theories. Don't stiffle that by trivializing it.

If you find me suspicious because I am antagonistic, I'm surprised you haven't come gunning for me in every other game we've played together.

I take the Sherlock Holmes approach to speculation: without data, it is worse than useless. You get married to bad ideas and cling to them even when facts emerge that contradict them. If things happen that can only be explained by certain secrets, it's fine to assume those secrets to exist, but otherwise, speculation is a distraction and is counterproductive. That is my view.

I did notice Zombrella answering on Snowman's behalf, and I admit that is something that always raises my eyebrow as well.

I have seen some of the other married couples do so as well, though.

And LLama, this is not a Sherlock Holmes story; actual facts are few and far between, and reality needs be suspended in the case of both theme & mechanics.

I have suspected you based on your tendency to squash discussion in the past, and been wrong. I will not suspect you for just that. But the answer you gave is fairly simplistic, and simplistic is not something I expect from you.

And re the discussion about whether the second group is a Mafia; I think it is

Civvie win conditions are stopping all Killers (kiras) and the head of Yotsuba Group is:
Kyosuke Higuchi (Third Kira)

I read that as they were baddies.

thellama73 wrote:
No question? Please. You've got more waffle than a breakfast buffet.

OK, that got a real LOL out of me.



OK, I need to reread all of that before all you guys start Wall O'Textin again. Plus get my own feel for my own feels before I taint my feels with other peoples feels. Can you feel it?

I know nothing makes me want to participate more than being called boring~

I have seen MP kill 9 in one day. He's ruthless.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:If we're losing 87% of our games, maybe that's a sign that we should try something different

like participating

QFT

In a perfect world, the L/Light thing would work as you guys are saying. My concern (and it was the impetus behind my vote) is what if L is someone like me (disclaimer: it is NOT me)? In GoC2, I trusted one of the baddies the whole game. Let me qualify, I distrusted him Day 1, he made one remark, I turned around, and not only did i trust him the whole game, I fought for him. In another recent game, I have only voted for civvies. And I am not the only one.

If we have a couple of really slick, manipulative players as baddies and L is taken in by them... I think that is putting too much control in one civvies hands unless L is super astute. Which he may be. Or he may be someone like me, easily susceptible to flattery & letting someones demeanor influence opinion as to affiliation.

I do think L/Light might be a really powerful tool, but I also think it could also be a major fiasco, especially if Light is a stronger player than L. I already voted, and having read the points made after I went afk, I am happy with my vote.

Also, I intend to never trust DH again :P

Linki, you are speaking in sarcasm, that color is the very similar to the sarcasm font. Just an FYI

My deep, inner anarchist wants to go with Nihilistic lynch, but that is not a really civvie-esque option, lol. So I am going to go with Normal. The arguments for normal (and the arguments against L/Light ) make more sense to me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I see that I put the cart before the horse on this poll.

Well, I don't regret my vote. Increased activity is a good thing in a game. I can see how it would hinder some players though, especially those who don't have the ability to post often and daily. Each method certainly has its positives and negatives.

Linki: Who said they have BTSC?

Linki 2: lol llama. I don't think I've ruffled her feathers... yet...

Oh joy, so this game is gonna be as much fun for me as the last. Yay.

Good Night

Thank You

So why did you say you would use the role name if asked? There is no role named Kira, and it would be kind of you to use the role names for those of us unfamiliar with the theme, but if you don't want to then dont.

Those of us unfamiliar with the theme will like it better if you use the actual role names, please.

It does not say we know what they decide:

7) L and Light Influenced Lynch - Every player casts a public vote; however, not every player's vote counts. L secretly determines which half of the players' votes will count and which half will not count. Light does the same. The players that appear on both "count" lists have heavily weighted votes. Players on only one "count" list have a normal vote. Players who do not appear on either list will not have their votes counted.

Am I being obtuse (very realistic possibility)?

The thing I don't like about L/Light is if you have a very convincing baddie on Lights's team, they would be heavily weighted. I realize they do not have traditional BTSC, but might at some point. If this is a game long thing, I don't know that I like it as much as traditional, but yeah, I like it better than the other options.

This is really complex. I had to read my own role PM a few times.

I have to wrap my head around this poll, but I am most inclined to vote "normal lynch". I am presuming this is a one day thing, like boo says, BUT there is that "every day" in the nihilistic option. As someone who is normally a fairly high poster, I kinda like that one, but if we have a bad team consisting of really chatty folks, there goes the game. But I am willing to wait to vote until I hear the opinions of the people who are better thinkiers than I