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by S~V~S
Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:47 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Black Rock wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I've actually never had BTSC with SVS... or BR I don't think... and we've been playing together for freakin forever.

That's not a surprise, most games I play I don't have btsc. It's fairly lonely.
Long Con wrote:I can't believe you can remember a thing like that. I've played so many Mafia games that I can't remember who I have had BTSC with, and how many times.
You never remember anything. You have had BTSC with me. In case you forgot. Remember when Scocub (I think) made us civvie ninja's together and we sucked balls? Worst civvie ninjas ever. That was back on LP.

I think I've only had btsc with SVS once a long time ago. Most people in this game I have never btsc'd with.
Twice before Fight Club. Once on LP, maybe Heroes? You were both on my team, you & LC. Then you & I were on the bad team in CabinFevers Freemasons game.

Why so quiet/no voting? You all waiting for me to make some stupid bonehead vote?
by S~V~S
Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:28 am
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Roxy wrote:SVS - I hope I was not the one who you thought was rude. I hate to even say this but you still have not answered my only question. I guess at this point it does not matter but I would have liked a response and your thoughts about the other people who used your reasoning for their vote for Teeth.

I cannot believe no one has one word to say about Made. I mean his play style is so unlike Python and so reminiscence of his baddie game.

Here is a linky to all his posts I would like to hear what others are thinking about his game.

BR - can you elaborate a bit more? You seem to be tossing a lot of names about without really backing up as to why you think them suspicious.
Sorry I missed it, and, no, I was not talking to you silly.

I thought I already commented on that, since no one else really seemed to have been in danger day 1.0 I don't see baddies piling on a bandwagon to get rid of someone who often plays a distracted game. Did you mean someone specific? On phone on bus so I can't really look back at this point. I can later if you like.

Maybe I just thought I posted it and just thought it Lol.

What do you think of them?
by S~V~S
Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:50 am
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

No certain civs are not expendable, although that is not the point i think FZ is making. She means that even if Vomps is a civ, this lynch will give us alot of direction. For instance, one of the reasons Llama had for suspecting me was that he felt I was saving Vomps. Yet Vomps is not proven baddie. So if he flips bad, then we know some of those AP voters may have been attempting a save. If he flips civ, we will know there was no malicious intent in the AP voters, and that we might be better off looking elsewhere. I am not sure I agree with this approach, but it is not a baddie thought, imo, and if it was i don't think she would have said it in thread, lol. FZ doesn't much pull punches.

The last two lynches of civs were kinda thrown together; had I not been spooked by MM (and oddly, MM is having the opposite effect on me this lynch; him defending yet another shredder, Vomps, is making me leery of voting for Vomps, lol. Maybe it's the burn factor) I doubt i would have voted for AP. We have tried to make direction from them, but personally I think it more likely the baddies avoided those wagons. I know I was not trying to save Vomps, I was even considering a vote for him. Llama is always 100% positive, yet often wrong, like someone else I know :sigh: Day 1.0, for instance, he seemed fairly sure you were bad, now it seems not so much.

Now I have just enough time to catch up to where I left off last night.
timmer wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:That's good to know Roxy. Glad you decided to keep playing! :)
That changes things. Also note, one roleblocker wouldn't have taken effect last night.

I'm sure it's addressed in the future of my read, but in case it isn't, I'd like to know what this means. I see no mention of either role blocker being an alternating power or anything.
Yeah, I did not see that either. Although I think Mongoose clarification made it a less likely scenario.
timmer wrote:
FZ. wrote:
As for SVS, I'm not saying everyone's reasoning is the one I mentioned, but it seems to be building up too fast and people seem to be jumping on that with the "look how she's avoiding answering the questions" train of thought. In contrast, look how hard it is to get people to view the Vompatti case. I wonder why it's so much easier to jump on the SVS case
This is becoming quite an interesting read! First, SVS correctly nailed the tone of Rico's post, I think. It's weird. But, FZ defending seems a bit weak here as well. It's building up too fast? Sometimes a case causes that because there is logic behind it. But it can make a teammate panic. FWIW, I think SVS' votes in the two lynches could def. be the sign of a baddie at work, but there are too many variables atm for me to vote that way. I prefer to vote people in relation to proven baddies, not based on the idea that a save is going on when that has yet to be determined.

But considering how MP has now been gunning for SVS (Dom is now completely off his radar?) I wouldn't be shocked if this were two baddie teams duking it out (svs/fz) vs )mp/rico) along with various divs mixed in. Or it could all end up differently, I'm not done the read.
I look forward to your opinion about this when you finish your catch up.
by S~V~S
Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:54 am
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Ricochet wrote:Did Llama offered you the quotes you wanted, SVS? That was the main issue I was referencing, myself, anyway. I still find it intriguing that you would have read all that and not want to address it, missing or not any direct questions.
He did :)

Tell him I said Thanks!

Nah, just kidding. Maybe.

I did address them (thanks for letting me know I needed to before the big case). How do you plan on voting, Ricochet?
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:57 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:A question to the thread in general. What am I missing about Vomp? I do not know his play style well can something spell it out for me cause I don't get it. Is it just the last vote?
He is near impossible to read. I'd rather lynch someone that I feel is bad than someone I don't know about.

Linki: As I said before, I agree that it was probably a roleblocker. But I am still interested in what everyone else thinks. LC has been aloof so far. He's introducing (or commenting on) ideas and letting other players play with them, but hasn't been involved himself. I think one of SVS or LC is bad. I agree with sabie. I'd bet she's a victim of circumstance.

Also, you mention that you think that the idea was introduced to create confusion, but you think LC is good. LC wouldn't 'try' to create confusion if he is good, would he?
I think you are wrong. I am not bad, an tbh, I have not seen bad LC. He has a kind of snarky edginess to him when he's bad, like he can't help himself. I have never seen LC as a bumbling baddie, lol. And neither of us is batting 1000 this game. No one is, really. Does someone have to be a shredder to get your support? You seem to be heading the same way this lynch. Although I have to agree re Sabie, Mongooses' clarification re kill portrayal makes it something we can speculate on, but nothing concrete, as well as Roxy revealing that she was the person who initially requested replacement :hugs:

I am rereading the case on Vomps tonight, and parts of the thread unrelated to me :noble:
No, there are other players I don't think are bad. This just might be the first game where you aren't on that list.
Well, then you don't know me very well XD

Seriously, i jumped on two Day One bandwagons in a row. I'm an idiot, but I'm a civvie idiot :derp:
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:31 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

S~V~S wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:SVS, the only question I have left is... where are you looking for today?
Not sure yet, I was actually going to take a look at Vomps and the case on him. I was also curious about the Sabie thing, but that seems to have been clarified, and nothing can be gleaned from it, am I correct?

The only thing that has stood out to me is Ricochets precocious game, but not sure how closely that is wrapped up in my mind with the push I have felt against me. Having voted for 2 civvies in a row, I am not trusting myself very much right now. I had hoped to read other cases tonight and keep my mouth shut today :) last 2 times I opened it did not work out so well.

i know who i feel good about more so than who i feel bad about. Do you have any suggestions?
MP, TH asked that question earlier. Still not sure, my trust in my own judgment here is bad right now. I can see the point on Vomps, but am not sure I will feel comfortable jumping on yet another bandwagon for an unorthodox player.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:24 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:A question to the thread in general. What am I missing about Vomp? I do not know his play style well can something spell it out for me cause I don't get it. Is it just the last vote?
He is near impossible to read. I'd rather lynch someone that I feel is bad than someone I don't know about.

Linki: As I said before, I agree that it was probably a roleblocker. But I am still interested in what everyone else thinks. LC has been aloof so far. He's introducing (or commenting on) ideas and letting other players play with them, but hasn't been involved himself. I think one of SVS or LC is bad. I agree with sabie. I'd bet she's a victim of circumstance.

Also, you mention that you think that the idea was introduced to create confusion, but you think LC is good. LC wouldn't 'try' to create confusion if he is good, would he?
I think you are wrong. I am not bad, an tbh, I have not seen bad LC. He has a kind of snarky edginess to him when he's bad, like he can't help himself. I have never seen LC as a bumbling baddie, lol. And neither of us is batting 1000 this game. No one is, really. Does someone have to be a shredder to get your support? You seem to be heading the same way this lynch. Although I have to agree re Sabie, Mongooses' clarification re kill portrayal makes it something we can speculate on, but nothing concrete, as well as Roxy revealing that she was the person who initially requested replacement :hugs:

I am rereading the case on Vomps tonight, and parts of the thread unrelated to me :noble:
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:37 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Black Rock wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. It's possible that perhaps I am either overly scrutinizing your game or finding your actions suspicious when in reality they would be more characteristic of your civilian game than baddie game.

What I find interesting is that players have described S~V~S's playstyle differently (like Bass v. Black Rock). What do people make of that?

I've seen her play both ways, she's not always calm as a baddie, I have seen her cornered before and lose all cool. So, no I don't believe that. I am much more satisfied with her answers now and she's talked me into believing her. Would you say she gained composure as a civvie self or a baddie self?
No, I really freaked out in that one game at RM, where Epi said i was lying becasue i did not take long enough to eat dinner, you hosted that one, it was the one where I subbed in for Rey back into the same team, the last Recruitment. That was more of a rage quit. That embarassed me, and everyone else I think :blush:

I am better at pretending to be calm than at actually being calm (and this goes for rl, too) if that makes sense.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:22 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Turnip Head wrote:SVS, the only question I have left is... where are you looking for today?
Not sure yet, I was actually going to take a look at Vomps and the case on him. I was also curious about the Sabie thing, but that seems to have been clarified, and nothing can be gleaned from it, am I correct?

The only thing that has stood out to me is Ricochets precocious game, but not sure how closely that is wrapped up in my mind with the push I have felt against me. Having voted for 2 civvies in a row, I am not trusting myself very much right now. I had hoped to read other cases tonight and keep my mouth shut today :) last 2 times I opened it did not work out so well.

i know who i feel good about more so than who i feel bad about. Do you have any suggestions?
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:14 pm
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

I guess it really isn't, but It feels that way, though. So many non participators :( It has that intense "lets sit in a circle and stare at each other" feel that endgames have.

It is getting down to the brass tacks point, I think, though.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:10 pm
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

nijuukyugou wrote:Yay no death! I also think sabie's prevented death was some sort of role-blocker rather than an elaborate baddie scheme of targeting its own members, just for simplicity's sake.

I agree SVS seems a bit more reaction-y to these accusations than I'm used to, but I can understand it, especially since the case is easily jumped upon. Her exchange with Rico this morning gave me pause - it looked like she was baiting him with the "that's what was said in chat" comments when he referred to people's talking about her in-thread, when I thought he made a legit comment. Could make her bad. Could make her a baddie hunter. Not feeling strongly, but I'll keep an eye out.

I'm still okay at this point voting Vomps due to behavior reasons re-hashed over and over again in this thread, and to see if there was any possibility of a save attempt in the last lynch. I look forward to seeing how today unfolds.

Linki - Hiya lady!
SVS is famed for her defensiveness :shrug:
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:09 pm
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Turnip Head wrote:I do tend to be suspicious of people who vote based on connections that haven't been proven yet. AP's self vote should not have been too suspicious in and of itself, but people pointed at a possible connection to MM in order to justify voting for Person. That connection is obviously impossible to defend until you're lynched and flip civ.
Thank You, you may not be agreeing with me, but at least you saw what I was saying.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Roxy wrote:MP - how can SVS be second on your list bc of her Teeth vote? You do realize that she is the one who made the original case and vote against him, right?

Llama I see now.

TH - yeah but ot happens aa the time!

Thanks for the response MP
If by second on my list, you mean I found her BWT vote second most suspicious, yes. I do realize she is the one, but just because she started the suspicion and didn't bandwagon doesn't mean I have to find her vote the least suspicious. I counterargued against S~V~S's points and personally thought her argument to lynch BWT came down to "I disagree with your logic".

In addition, S~V~S has said many times in the past she is very good at reading BWT, so her complete lack of ability to read him this game, and her lack of acknowledging that, when she usually does acknowledge it, also surprised me.

My initial thoughts/feelings on the BWT push were as below:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Popping in for just a second before Daisy and I leave for the day, but I have the following comments since I last posted, especially since my last post was made sort of in a rush (we decided to leave later than I thought we would):

- I don't understand the suspicion of BWT. I understand S~V~S's train of thought, but I know BWT really well, and I don't see anything in BWT's posts that strikes me as anything other than just normal BWT thinking. Not only that, but while S~V~S had amazing logical points, she even admitted she gets lynched for that type of thinking all the time when she's civilian. So I'm not sure I fully understand the connection between BWT being bad because of it, only failing to logic it out like he maybe should have. Essentially, S~V~S said that she expressed others thought LC's response was genuine (including yours truly, since I found it genuine), but if BWT disagrees, should he not stick with his gut and vote LC anyway? In addition, I didn't really see BWT as "making excuses" for another player because I read Rico's responses exactly the way that BWT did, as if Rico actually did answer the question (Daisy's explanation of it is exactly what I wanted to convey, but failed to properly do so, honestly). I hope you folks are right, but that train makes me way nervous, and I'm leaning more civvie on BWT than baddie at this point.
And no problem. :)
And in the last game, he played me to death. I don't recall the game, but I was convinced he was civ, and he was not. He switched up his game big time, plus I thought his vote was opportunistic, which for me was a sign of bad BWT. What game was BWT bad in last? He really shcoked me, I was impressed tbh~ I think I was the only person NOT to vote for him, since I was so sure I could read him. He really switched up his game.

In any case, there was nothing else between ^^ and when i started posting this AM.

I still stand by my point this AM; not sure where Rico got the idea a big case was coming. What case could be made was made. SVS made some bad votes for civvies. She thought MM & AP were teammates. She was wrong. She was not around as much as usual becasue she had RL.

Is there anything else I need to address? Becasue I have not eaten dinner yet, and I need to look in the other thread.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:51 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think anyone suspects you for skimming the thread SVS, but rather thought you were dodging the thread, intentionally. That's mostly been remedied for me re: you now. I don't think you intended to ignore things.

I still think it's odd though that you voted AP on such a shaky connection to MM, but I also believe your claim that you haven't read as well as you should have and that perhaps you aren't as involved this game as you're sometimes known for being. It seems this ordeal has helped you get into the game though, no? :D

Interesting that you bring up so many points about your baddie game. The usual WIFOM game can be played there but I'm not seeing it that way.

linki - good point about her convo with Rico, bloops. That did seem a bit testy from SVS, and wasn't she the one telling us to take it easy on the new guy? :ponder:
During day one, yeah. It is not Day One anymore, and he was dropping a bomb on me. But he is holding his own really well. I was not being testy, I was trying to get a straight answer from him.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:49 pm
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Also, yeah, avoiding the thread during the dig out from a blizzard, a nieces birthday party & my brother moving, and the endgame in the Champs thread. LOL.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:47 pm
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

First screw up on my part; I got my Day 1's mixed up. D & D was the BWT lynch, AP was the Blizzard lynch. My vote was at 2:21, the poll ended at 3:43. I was in & out that afternoon shovelling. Check my Facebook, facebook friends :D

I was not trying to save Vompatti; there were several people left to vote after me, and I brought the vote to 4/3, and MP had 2. Far from a save attempt. Personally, I would not be surprised if Vomp were to flip bad, but I was, and am,nowhere near convinced of it. He was more off topic than on when he was forced to become more on topic by defending himself.

Answered this twice today, answering it again.

I thought they were teammates; why else would defending be suspicious? AP had votes at that time, MM did not. If I think they both are bad, it makes more sense to vote for the one with votes. I was wrong (have you looked at my voting record in all games? I am wrong more often than not as a civ. I get my brilliance in flashes of intuition, and I have not gotten one yet this game; when i get that flash I am a dog with a bone. Here I was a Bozo instead. If I was bad, I would not have touched that bandwagon with a ten foot pole to get rid of a self voting low poster, lol, and anyone who has had BTS with me knows it).
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama, I do think closer examining the AP voters is a good idea. However, even though you feel pretty strongly about Vompatti, what if he flips civilian? Where do you think that would lead your conclusions?
My suspicion of Vomps is not tied to suspicion of other players, so his alignment, whenever it is revealed, will not influence my other suspicions at all. I suppose if he flips bad, it will make AP voters look worse, but if he flips civ, I don't see how it changes anything.

I wills ay thta right now, SVS has rocketed onto my radar, for breaking the tied vote in favor of AP, and for using MM's behavior to justify her vote for someone who is not MM.
Ricochet wrote:Snipping and highlighting the relevant part in my own post, in order for feedback on this.
Ricochet wrote: 2. I know I just voted Llama for his case on Vomps, but I'm starting to consider looking more carefully at Vomps, given that he's not helpful in his defence so far, quite the opposite. I'd like to know what other people think: in previous games, has a Vompatti pretending to be bad turned out more to actually be bad or just a cheeky civ (or was it inconclusive)? I don't mean to say I can tell right now if he's just pretending or not. But I'd be really uncomfortable if he'd survived a few more days, playing this kind of game, and turn out to be bad.
Are You Being Served, from which FZ and LC have pulled quotes, is the most recent and blatant example.
Right. And I voted for someone who I obviously thought was MMs teammate. That would be the worlds stupidest vote otherwise, and i am not the worlds stupidest person, and neither are you (perhaps the rudest, but not the stupidest). I find it hard to believe you did not understand what I was saying when i said MM was defending too hard.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama, thanks.

I actually will echo a sentiment that you stated that S~V~S is on my radar now as well; when examining the reasoning that people voted BWT and AP, I found S~V~S's second most suspicious during BWT's lynch and most suspicious during AP's lynch. Even though she started the suspicion against BWT, I believe I counterargued her points rather well. In addition, the logical fallacy of incriminating AP based on MM defending him also struck me as suspicious.

However, I know how terrible I am at reading S~V~S, and I'm not sure I suspect her heavily at this point. But she is one of the few I am most watching and advocating for tomorrow's lynch, at the moment. I need to do more re-reading and analyzing, but off the top of my head, both of her D1 votes have struck me as possibly sketchy, but especially the second one.

So I'm not sure whether that helps or hurts your case, Llama, but it's my opinion nonetheless.
Can you elaborate (but not too much :P )? Or did you and I just did not get to it yet. You have played with me for years; tell me, is it my practice to make overtly suspicious votes in general, and especially in the case of low posters/participators like AP & BWT? Anyone who has played with me for years & years, is making stupid votes for zero gain something I do as a baddie?
thellama73 wrote:EBWOP: AP had THREE votes when SVS voted for him. My point still stands.
And so does mine. I thought they were teammates. THAT IS GLARINGLY OBVIOUS. Why would I try to put effort into lynchin one over the other when one already had votes?
Ricochet wrote:S~V~S is statistically the only person who voted for both lynches. I may look further into this, considering I've said I believe there has been more coordinating than reasoning in the lynches, so far.
Which is just exactly what that big scary FEB SVS would do.

I am about to hit the embed limit, plus I don;t want to make this too unwieldy. Will keep going.

Linki~ I think it depends on context, Dom. I am more asking my former BTS partners what they think. Do YOU think I would make really stupid baddie votes on two bandwagons in a row on low participators if I was a baddie?
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:16 pm
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Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Dom wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I think SVS is acting weird and suspicious, but the number of people who have jumped on that is making me nervous. I also, like MP, acknowledge that I am bad at reading her. Does anyone agree with my "if Vompatti is bad, SVS likely saved shim, so let's lynch Vompatti first and see" logic?
No because I don't agree that Vompatti is bad in the first place. I think SVS has gained suspicion on her own-- separately from Vompatti.
Black Rock wrote:SVS, I had responded to why I put you on a watch lynch. At the time that's how I felt. Trust you less this game cause I trust you too much lately. That kind of bull. Now though you seem to be twisting in the wind. I would not be surprised if you flipped baddie. You don't have your usual civvie calm logic flowing here. I also am looking at the players that also feel this way, these are players that know you well. I don't believe they are all a baddie team setting you up so I am taking there opinion into consideration.
Question: Who are the players speaking out against SVS that, in a mafia way, know her well?
this is a good question. And BR, "calm flow of logic"? That actually pertains more to my bad game, I think. One of the reasons I do so well as a baddie, and why people always say they can't trust me is that I am better at it. I don't do stupid shit, or am less likely to do it, when I am bad. I have people depending on me, and I am much more diligent as a baddie.

Twisting how, exactly? I made some bad votes, I called MP a drama queen, and I didn't read as well as I should have. I am off to remedy that now.

But again, suspecting someone becasue they pretty much skimmed the thread is lame, imo. Anyone who has had BTS with me, and that is lots of you, know that I lurk in there all the time. I would have known there were concerns, and I would have been all over them. Calmly. Which is why I win as a baddie and have that :feb: rep.

I am gonna start rereading back from the last lynch, and will address issues as I see them.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:07 pm
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Thanks, TH. I will read back, too, but having a cheat sheet helps.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:34 pm
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Did it ever occur to you guys that if I had baddie bts partners they would have told MWe I had crap I needed to address? I don't expect much on topic at night, I skimmed, I missed some stuff.

Last thing I saw this AM that I did not address was that Llama said there was plenty of time for me to get others to vote for MM. Um no there wasn't in my vote post I said I was going to go play D & D at RM. I was gone until after the lynch. I thought they were teammates, so a vote for one was as good as for the other was my (incorrect) thinking at the time.

I am on the bus now I will bbl to see what else I have to answer and hopefully someone can give me the Cliffs Notes version of MPs other issues. And no snotty cracks about me asking Llama. That post up there was so rude I can't even tall to you right now.
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:41 am
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

I thought they were teammates. This is not apparent?
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:23 am
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

And I saw my name, I missed any direct questions. I thought the reason for my vote was clear. And name a game where MP does not bring up my name:)
by S~V~S
Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:22 am
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Thanks for the quotes, I missed them.

I voted AP cause I thought MM was defending him, and AP already had votes. I thought MM was defending him too hard, tbh.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

*Vomps not Comps goddamned autocorrect
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

I did not twist anything. You said YOU were looking at Comps; you said a big case was coming about me. You did not say you suspected me yourself. Indeed, you said you had to read up on me because of that big case coming.

And I am fairly sure I addressed anything I had to unless it was buried in a giant post. Can you be more specific?
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

There has been a lot of talk about a lot of people, interesting that the only big case coming that you see is on me.

Which other members are you referring to? I am beginning to think that maybe you heard about this big case in your chatroom.

Now I am looking forward to seeing who presents the big case :)
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

I am leaving in about 15 minutes myself. I have time.
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

LOL, you come and drop that into the thread, and won't back it up? I read after the lynch, and did not see that any "big case" was coming up. I would lke to know why YOU think a big case is coming up.

Cause I don't see it :)
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Can you give me specifics, please? I have my posts set to 60 per page. I only have 17 pages of posts.
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Ricochet wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Who are you going after this Day, folks? I have to study the Vomps case, as promised, and maybe look back at everything posted by SVS, since there's a big case brewing on her, apparently.

I'll be fairly busy today because of a class I have to prepare for and personal issues, so I'll probably spend this day just trying to do what I said above.
There is?
So I read.

My bad on the Coens.
Can you point this out to me?
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Ricochet wrote:
Who are you going after this Day, folks? I have to study the Vomps case, as promised, and maybe look back at everything posted by SVS, since there's a big case brewing on her, apparently.

I'll be fairly busy today because of a class I have to prepare for and personal issues, so I'll probably spend this day just trying to do what I said above.
There is?
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

Edit~

@Mongoose~ is this a one time Golem, or a nightly Golem?
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 2]: Film Directors.

It doesn't say they have only one protection.
Coen Bros. Jewish brothers who often use the same actors in their films. Can call upon the Golem to protect a player.
Generally this means every night if not specified. If it was only one, it would say "Once in the game" or words to that effect.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

FZ., generally, not always, but generally, a block is written either without the target, or the killer is foiled before he can attempt to kill. Like the scissors used to cut the chandelier wires would have been knocked from his hand, or the would have broken trying to cut the wires. A save involves the victim, and the kill is portrayed as having went through BUT something saves the specific victim, like Sabie was pushed out of the way. Which is what happened here. BUT... some hosts portray all fail kills the same.


@Mongoose~ lovely hostess, are all fail kills portrayed the same way, or are distinctions made?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:Reread roles, I think it's more likely that Sabie saved herself for that very reason. I'll prolly catch up tomorrow morning
I doubt it. That means her own team tried to kill her as well.

I'm in agreement with llama. I bet it's one of the roleblockers doings.
Why do you dismiss the possibility of her own team trying to kill her out of hand? It has been done before. I don't know that I would do it this early... but that doesn't mean others might not.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Mongoose, that is the best reason I've ever heard for a delayed night post.

Black Rock wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:BR, I appreciate your clarification, but clearly you thought I was worth looking at before my vote deliberations yesterday. So... can you explain that? You keep citing the back and forth between me and Dom, but you still haven't explained why you think I'm bad, or maybe I'm misunderstanding. But it doesn't make me feel any better about you, since everyone knows I'm being suspected heavily by at least two other players (Dom and TH) before you even mentioned me AND everyone knows I'm always easy to get lynched.

If you think I took the easy way out, so be it, but I have a history of voting more like this when I'm a civilian, whereas if I'm bad I'll gladly vote a top lynch contender, especially if I can vote for a teammate.

I thought I said you were worth keeping an eye on and I wasn't going to dismiss you and Dom as civ on civ, or something to that effect. I now since then found you more suspicious because of your throw away vote. I would have to read my post again to absolutely know what I said but I think you are taking what I said and putting some sort of heavier meaning to it. A lot of that was because a few people were dismissing your back and forth with Dom and I thought that was premature.
Okay. Fair enough, I'll give you the BOTD for now. I guess I did read into the meaning more than what you intended, especially given I see that you were really expressing an opinion to emphasize you disagreed with the civ v. civ sentiment.

What do you think of S~V~S?
I think I am a civ.

Iirc, she said I pinged her. I want to hear about that, too. Thanks for reminding me :)
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

I have not seen it yet, partially because i am annoyed that they added things to it. Did Tolkien really need "fixing"?
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Last movie I saw was The Departed. Love that movie.

Voted Boogie Night from nostalgia. I loved it when it first came out.
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Well, that sucks. Sorry AP :(
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
I'm trying to defend the self-vote, not AP persay. But I guess my argument loses its ground the more players continue to self-vote. Regardless, I don't think AP would self-vote as a baddy for those reasons you offered. But in the end, you are voting him because I am defending him. Do you think I am bad? Why not vote me? Is there something about me "defending him too hard" that makes you think he is more bad than me? Certainly the bandwagon is appealing.

Yes I have been looking for things. None of the main topics of interest have pinged me, so I am trying to look elsewhere. I don't want to vote for llama, vomps, MP, or Dom. I would have considered a vote for Made for his odd vote, but I decided to wait. Bass pinged me, but apparently I was trying too hard there too. Roxy's vote today was a strange backpedal, but I didn't have time to look at it. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
(once again reached the embed limit)

You said yourself that you have to stop defending your fellow shredders, did not reply to my reply to that, then voted for someone based on their vote for AP. You ignored the reasons people voted for him that were not simply becasue he self voted. This sounds like you were defending AP, not his self vote.

I am looking forward to your vigorous defense of Faraday :haha:

Linki, it was not an insinuation, it was a touch of incredulity on my part. I posted something that you replied to less than a day ago that clearly explains the difference between those two posts. I am not making insinuations, sorry if it came across snarky.
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not sure what to make of Made's reasoning, but it certainly wouldn't be the first time he's done something crazy.



S~V~S wrote: No.

(I had to pull a few of the quotes out becasue I hit the embed limit).

MP always seems bad to me, and Dom seldom does, so my opinion there is pointless, and I need to see that play out more. I don't think LC or BR are suspicious at this point. I can see both sides of the Vomp situation, and I dislike putting all the eggs in one basket, and it seems that the only reason he is suspish is that he is being active? Again, I need to see more. I was thinking that AP is acting too much like normal for him to glean much from his self vote, BUT~

MM seems to be ignoring the reason one might vote for AP other than the fact of a self vote, the strategic reasons for voting for anyone other than BWT at the end of the lynch. He keeps saying that it is because of the fact that he made a self vote, when that is not the reason for the suspish as I understand it. MM is acting like he is on a crusade to defend self voters. Plus, having read back in his posts it seems like he is trying to find reasons to suspect people.

So I am going to also vote AP. MM is defending him too hard.
I'm confused because you seem to be contradicting yourself with what you said in Champions:
S~V~S wrote:We only missed CAH one night~ there are blocks, dropped PMs etc. I would be more convinced of that re BR when there is no CAH 2 nights in a row. Plus there have been 2 NKs right?

@Epi~ do powers go through on the night someone dies?

I voted MP because he is playing the level civ game I came to expect from MP. The past while, he has been playing the hyper game i associate with his bad self more often than not, even when civ. This game, the enforced slow down, perhaps, from having to wait for a less prolific person to post, has done him some good, I think. I can't speak for the others, and am not sure why you would expect me to. Just because someone gets a lot of positive votes does not mean they have baddie teammates backing them up.

And I think TH is silenced. Zeek, what time did you get your PM? I was wondering about one or two others being possibly silenced, but they made a post or so after the Night Post. So it is possible they also got late PMs, or did not check their inbox. There is not a pop up notification in the light theme.
Or am I misunderstanding something?
Did you read any of my explanations about my feelings for you? Did you even read the post you just quoted in conjunction with what I said about you earlier this game? In Champs you were acting like old, level non-hyperbole MP. An abberation from most of your recent gameplay. In this game, you were acting like new hyperbole MP, who I ALWAYS think is bad.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

...was defending AP. My keyboard just kinda freaked on me, sorry for the truncated post. That was weird.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

I was kinda freaked by how hard MM w
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Four other people voted for BWT because they saw it fit and did not invoke doing so despite hating to vote for someone who won't be able to defend himself (anymore). No hypocrisy there, I believe.
I don't know if llama is bad, but this seems like a weird reason to go after him. Why would he say that if he meant that in the case of BWT and then go and vote for him? So either, he meant it in regards to other people, like he claims, or he's a really silly baddie doing something like this
I'm willing to bet the former of the two. I think llama's post about lynching undefendable players and his vote for BWT are unrelated.

But I would like llama (and you) to explain why you want to lynch vomps today.
I haven't played a lot of games with Vompatti, but I think about 4-5. In one of them he was bad, and his behaviour was different than his other games. This one reminds me of it for a few reasons:
1. He joked about suspecting himself, which is what he did in that game?
2. He posts more serious game related posts
3. He's more involved.
Now, others can tell me they've seen him do 2 and 3 no matter what alignment, but if I keep letting people tell me this every time I have a suspicion, I don't see much point in playing the game
Can you list the games for us? Maybe someone else can do a read of them and analyze Vompatti's behaviour to see if they agree.
Does anyone else also think that this post from LC is just trying to set us up for a wild goose chase? Especially since he passed on the whole vomps' behavior anyway and voted AP?
No.

(I had to pull a few of the quotes out becasue I hit the embed limit).

MP always seems bad to me, and Dom seldom does, so my opinion there is pointless, and I need to see that play out more. I don't think LC or BR are suspicious at this point. I can see both sides of the Vomp situation, and I dislike putting all the eggs in one basket, and it seems that the only reason he is suspish is that he is being active? Again, I need to see more. I was thinking that AP is acting too much like normal for him to glean much from his self vote, BUT~

MM seems to be ignoring the reason one might vote for AP other than the fact of a self vote, the strategic reasons for voting for anyone other than BWT at the end of the lynch. He keeps saying that it is because of the fact that he made a self vote, when that is not the reason for the suspish as I understand it. MM is acting like he is on a crusade to defend self voters. Plus, having read back in his posts it seems like he is trying to find reasons to suspect people.

So I am going to also vote AP. MM is defending him too hard.
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, a few things:

- I will not vote Llama today. I think I am seeing genuine baddie hunting from him, though I'm not convinced he's right about Vomps.
- I doubt I will vote Vomps.
- I MAY vote AP, but it sort of feels like a cop out. I have no read on AP either way and wouldn't categorize his behavior as out of character. I do dislike his self-vote though.

The people who are saying BR is totally in character: Why is it acceptable for someone to say who they suspect but not give reasons why? She said twice now that I'm worth looking at, or something to that effect, but never cited a reason. I find that suspicious.
I think anyone voting AP is a cop-out.

I understand scrutinizing a player for coming in that last few minutes without being caught up and voting someone that has a wagon on them, but I believe that self-voting in that circumstance shows more responsibility, and doesn't show any malice, at least from AP.

I just realized I keep defending all my shred buddies. I need to stop doing that.
yeah, you do, if that is what you are doing. The point in voting him is that he made a throwaway vote at the end of a lynch where a civ was bandwagoned. Very common baddie behavior; let the civvies lynch each other. BUT in this case it is also very common AP behavior, so not sure what to think of that.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, a few things:

- I will not vote Llama today. I think I am seeing genuine baddie hunting from him, though I'm not convinced he's right about Vomps.
- I doubt I will vote Vomps.
- I MAY vote AP, but it sort of feels like a cop out. I have no read on AP either way and wouldn't categorize his behavior as out of character. I do dislike his self-vote though.

The people who are saying BR is totally in character: Why is it acceptable for someone to say who they suspect but not give reasons why? She said twice now that I'm worth looking at, or something to that effect, but never cited a reason. I find that suspicious.
Why is blowing minor pings into Federal Cases ( ;) ) a better strategy if you call it "Baddie Hunting"? Not everyone plays that way, I don't play that way. I watch and I try to draw people out if I suspect them, and see if they make a mistake. Sometimes i don't even do them the courtest of mentioning them, as BR did.

Becasue of this I absolutely hate lack of "Baddie Hunting" as an indicator of badness, and I also dislike it when people think that people who do things differently than they do must be bad.

If BR was bad, she would be more likely to mention no one, dither a bit, and vote a tangent, rather than name names this early IMO. Perhaps she is trying to see how we, the people she named, react to her. But I don't see her specifically naming names without going into detail as being specifically bad for her.

I am on a snow removal break, about to go back out :P While we did not get 3 feet 20 inches is plenty enough
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Regarding Bass, first there is this post.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:so i really don't get all these votes for bwt. The two people who stuck out to me was MM and Ricochet which puts me in a tough spot because i don't want to vote someone who isn't here to defend himself and i also don't want to vote a new player on day one. So with that said i'm voting MM because his self vote really seemed like something a baddie would do to try and lay low when he wouldn't be around.
Then there is this one.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't understand why people keep bringing up llama's and S~V~S's vote for I think llama has made it pretty clear that BWT had enough time to say what he had to say before he voted. I think people keep bring this up to maybe distract the tread about talking about anything else.

SVS and llama voted for BWT. Why is there a sudden casual defense for SVS and llama even though he previously called them out for voting BWT.

Also Bass, why was my self-vote suspicious but you did not address AP's self-vote?
1. I never called anyone out for voting BWT I said " I really don't get all the votes for BWT"
2. I wasn't trying to defend anyone I was just saying that people keep bringing something up after llama addressed it. To me it was like an easy way for a baddie to keep the tread talking about it.
3. AP's self vote did catch my eye but I really have nothing else that has made me think AP is bad.
1) Fair enough
2) Did SVS address it?
3) At the point that you commented about my self-vote, there was nothing else to warrant any more suspicion in me aside from the act of self-voting. Why does my self-vote and AP's self-vote carry different weights?
I meant to address this earlier, but I forgot.

I am fairly sure I did address it, if you mean my vote for BWT. I thought his vote was a baddie thing to do, it was not like it was in the context of being afk for days like you were, and iirc, his name was in the tray when I voted. So :shrug:

Not sure what you are getting at here?
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

I see nothing wrong with BR, either, even though I am one of her pings. This is fairly typical for her, playing her cards close to her vest. I look forward to seeing how I pinged her. In general, she is not one of the people to read too much into me; alot of people do. I say some stupid thing (and I say alot of stupid things), and they think I am bad. BR, not so much.

And I agree re the BWT voters although I am one of them. When I am bad on Day One, and no one on the team is taking suspish, I will either vote earlyish if I have no choice, generally a tangent vote, a semi serious vote for someone with no other votes. Or I will hold my vote, to make sure none of us are in danger, and once there is a "non-us" clearly in the lead, I will vote a tangent "statement" vote. And chortle in the chat room about the civs lynching each other. I almost never pile on a Day One wagon when I am bad, unless a teammate is taking heat. Best result Day One if you are a baddie is a civ lynched, and no one on your bad team voted for them.

So yeah, off to reread AP, Daisy & Dom. This will involve a closer reread of Dom v. MP, which I, I gotta admit, I only skimmed yesterday. Those blocks of text, quoted over & over, hard to read through, lol.

I have to read back through last night, so much posting yay :D
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

We had a fairly mild winter here until this. Having lived in Montana for years, I get a kick out of the snow panic here in NY, but this is pretty fierce, even I must say. I remember in 2008, the East coast was having a huge heat wave in early June, over 100* for a week or more. On a day it was 105* in NY, it snowed where I lived, in Kalispell, MT, on June 8th. LOL. Weather is so amazing.
by S~V~S
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:@FZ, this is how I play. I am not a strong baddie hunter, I am more of an undercover detective, if you will. I look for someone who catches my eye, and I watch them. At this stage I am finding that following the back and forths is edifying.

llama, why exactly did you let go of Ricochet? I firmly expected you to go after him, you you backed off. There was no night between Day 1 & Day 1.1 so there were no night results for you to account for. This is not to say I think you are wrong re Vomp; I am not sure what I think. I agree that he he more on topic when bad. In one game at RM, that I cohosted that he played, 6 Feet Under, he was a baddie and he was VERY engaged.

BUT he loves Mongoose, and he loves film. I did the post skim and removing the OT, he does not seem all that on topic, especially if you remove defensive posts. So I think some of it is in reaction to suspicion?

I have not decided yet. As usual, I am arguing with myself here.

Linki @ FZ~ tbh, I am not sure yet. I have been watching a few people, and will dig into posts later or in the AM, as Snowpocalypse allows.
I havn't let go of Ricochet. I am still watching him, and very wary. I guess I am waiting for more evidence to roll in, since so many people seem to disagree with my suspicion. I think his "I am not going to answer your question" followed by a delayed "okay, I am not bad" is consistent with a baddie who was late to see his teammates frantically waving their arms and saying "stop!" The key word is "consistent." It is certainly not proof. Not yet.

Right now I am more confident about Vomps, so I am voting there today (unless something big happens). I can then pursue Ricochet in the future if I still feel I need to.
I guess my point re Vomp in my hideously pronouned, unproofread post was that he is kinda being pushed into a corner. The more you go after him, the more he might feel the need to reply, so, you know ....the more on topic he is. Scylla & Charybdis, if you will.

Can you give me a rundown on him other than the generic "on topic"? If you already did and I missed it, i am sorry.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Dom wrote:Just a warning:

I go to school in Rhode Island. I am on an Island. We are going to experience extremely high winds (Hurricane Force) all night and get 2-3+ feet of snow. If I am absent, you know why. :p
That's right, I forgot you were in RI, I am on the North Shore of Long Island, right across the Sound, so yeah. Good Luck :) Stay warm & electrified~!
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

@FZ, this is how I play. I am not a strong baddie hunter, I am more of an undercover detective, if you will. I look for someone who catches my eye, and I watch them. At this stage I am finding that following the back and forths is edifying.

llama, why exactly did you let go of Ricochet? I firmly expected you to go after him, you you backed off. There was no night between Day 1 & Day 1.1 so there were no night results for you to account for. This is not to say I think you are wrong re Vomp; I am not sure what I think. I agree that he he more on topic when bad. In one game at RM, that I cohosted that he played, 6 Feet Under, he was a baddie and he was VERY engaged.

BUT he loves Mongoose, and he loves film. I did the post skim and removing the OT, he does not seem all that on topic, especially if you remove defensive posts. So I think some of it is in reaction to suspicion?

I have not decided yet. As usual, I am arguing with myself here.

Linki @ FZ~ tbh, I am not sure yet. I have been watching a few people, and will dig into posts later or in the AM, as Snowpocalypse allows.
by S~V~S
Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:39 pm
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

Things I love: Coming back from snow removal (gah) to find tons of discussion going on
Things I hate: I am one of the topics of discussion (gah)
thellama73 wrote:MP, I think you and Dom are civs arguing past each other. I don't really have any comment on your discussion because it is boring and, I think, unproductive. If you are tried of talking about it, stop bringing it up. If you think Dom is suspicious because he is misunderstanding you/you are misunderstanding him, say so, but you seem to have backed down from that. So I'm not sure what you want others to say. I don't like Dom's vote for me yesterday, obviously, but I am not really suspecting him at this point.
This^^

And since I am not sure if I even need to address this, but when I voted, BWT showed as being here. Perhaps he left his computer on, but I was not even thinking of the whole unable to defend issue. For me, that is announcing to the thread Friday night, "Gonna be out of town till Sunday night" like MM said. But someone making what I thought was a sketchy vote and then saying "I will be gone the rest of the afternoon" are two different things. Plus I did not think in terms of being able to defend when I voted, I was the first to vote for him. I was surprised to come back from my D & D game to find him, A) Lynched and B) Civ.

But if saying a few hours before the end of a 48 hour day period that you're going out meant "unable to defend", then all the baddies would be on the way to their Grandmas house :haha:

But in any case I was happy that Kubrick was around to reshoot.
FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Also, SVS also said she doesn't like to vote for players who can't defend themselves and she was the first vote for BWT. Why not pick on her for a while?
Are you asking him to pick on SVS because you think she's bad? Do you think he's bad for selectively going after you and not her? Because you told him "You seem to think you have caught me in some kind of "gotcha" moment", which would mean you think he's genuine. If you don't think either is looking bad, why do you want him to go after her?
Yeah this :mad: meanie Llama
FZ. wrote:I guess I'm officially backing off from LC. SVS, I don't think it had anything to do with the play style on Ksite. It was more of a feel of how baddies hide their frustration while trying to look helpful, especially since one baddie team seems to not have much power. But since I seem to be the only one thinking this, and since it's taking away the attention from other players, we'll just move on. Maybe I'm off. :shrug:

Vomp has gone back to posting jokes. Since the "why do you think I mind getting lynched" post, I think he only posted once or twice, OT and with a joking tone. I wonder if he's trying to go back to his usual MO because people called him out on it, or is it just him being him. :ponder:

In all honesty, I don't get the Dom-MP back and forth. What's that all about?

And to answer whoever asked me, I wanted to go to sleep yesterday, and I wanted to know if we successfully lynched a baddie or not, before I turned in.

linki: MP and Dom, do you each suspect the other, or is this back and forth just for fun? If you are suspicious of one another, can you please sum up your reasons in a short post? :p
He'd better be a civ, or I'm gonna feel like a spaz. But thanks for taking it into consideration; you are like me in that way. If I have a belief, I REALLY believe it. I have problems letting it go, and not everyone gets that reshoot. I would rather be right the first time, and when I think I am right, well, I think I am right. Like i said, so far LC seems pretty legit to me, but if that changes, i will be the first to let you know.

And yeah, the Dom/MP thing actually makes me feel better about both of them. They both get more stubborn & dig their heel in deeper when they are civs, IMO. But I read it a few times, and would also like the tl;dr version.

Also an FYI~ I am in the midst of a huge blizzard right now. The wind is booming and it is actually awesome & impressive, and a tad scary. But I could suddenly lose internet. Linki @Dom, how is it in NH?
by S~V~S
Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:54 am
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: [ENDGAME]: Film Directors.
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Re: [Day 1]: Film Directors.

@MP, remember that game where I told you I would explain why i always think you are bad these days, but it just never happened? Remind me again after this game. I know exactly what Canuck means~ you come across as more hyperbole than anything sometimes. Back in the day, that was bad MP. But these days, that is always MP. You didn't used to do this all the time. This is part of why you get lynched early alot these days, imo. You might want to throttle back on the drama words just a tiny bit. When you use those words & phrases, I visualize a sock dressed like Snidely Whiplash; just a bit over the top. Like that time you said, "How Dare You?" to me in the context of an internet Mafia game; overkill much? *Sees a Sock Twirling its' Mustache*

Not saying I suspect you here for that. I don't have much of an opinion yet.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:You really wouldn't vote for someone you thought was bad because they are new, SVS? I find that very strange.
Thats the old school way. You don't vote for nubs on Day One. They never come back if you do, lol. And being right in one game is trumped by getting a new cultist...um, player in the long term. Yeah. Plus it's just polite. It's one of those things like not voting for the silenced or insanified.
Then perhaps you should talk to Mongoose and tell her not to make consecutive Day 1's.
He got his grace day. I see an at least semi hot seat in his near future as far as Llama is concerned.
FZ. wrote:SVS, you asked why I had a problem with role analysis. I don't. I have a problem with LC's one. Period. Here it is again (below).

Give me one comment which made you actually think about things and somehow progressed the game. There is not one. And again, had I not said a thing, no one would have said a thing. Everyone just ignored that post because it basically said nothing. Now, if you're all going to tell me that his role analyses are never helpful, I might back off, but to me, the fact that it is not helpful combined with the fact he chose to focus on all the people who might turn out to be harder to lynch because they have BTSC or something like that and not on any role that is actually worth talking about, that comes very close to a baddie behaviour. And LC. I saw that you said you're done talking about it. I am only trying to get to the bottom of this. I'm sorry if it's pissing you off.
I think becasue at KSite you don't post roles, you are misconstruing the point of this. I can't imagine what you would make of aapje~ he deconstructs all the roles in thread and asks a trillion questions on each in thread. Would it surprise you that some people don't actually read the roles? But in addition, and this is a salient point here, LC is a big fan of thread collaboration & planning. With all the civ BTS in this game, if we can do some planning in the open, it helps us to stay on track and not attack each other. Hopefully the people who could be helped by it did not ignore it.

You asked for comments I found helpful. Well, there are these:
Long Con wrote:
George Cukor wrote:American Director of Classic Comedies. Can target a player to reference a romantic comedy in each post they make.
Hilarious. Total window-dressing role, it doesn't affect the game too much. Perhaps we could increase this role's value to the Civs by having George target people he suspects.
Darren Aronofsky Another auteur who can find BTSC with David Lean using math, a common theme in his films.
Interesting. This role could probably benefit from some creative ways to use math, another BTSC Civ pair would be very useful.
Hopefully George caught the suggestion that he should choose his target based on suspicion, not on lulz. Some people like to target people with powers like his for max comic effect (I know I do :blush: ). But if George targets those he suspects, then he will be telling everyone whom he suspects. If George is not ready to make a case, or is a crap case maker, this signals the GOOD case makers to maybe take a look at the target. It also gives us the opinions of a known civ, instead of an in thread case from someone we may not trust.

As for Darren, I am hoping that those who are good at the maths can make some suggestions, or ask the host some questions that might help Darren use his powers in a creative way; this is a very vague role description. It does not say "Secrets" and I presume that Darren got some clarification. But if you don't ask the right questions, you may not get the right answers. Some good in thread speculation here will not hurt anyone, and might help Darren. It was a good suggestion, especially since the more civ BTS the better.

His question re Ingmar Bergman was spot on as well:
Long Con wrote:
Ingmar Bergman Evocative Swedish film director who often had religion as a theme in his films. May grant amnesty to a player 3x, which will result in his/her removal from the lynch that day.

Is this something that gets used the night before? Or can Ingmar remove someone from the poll mid-day?
I don't know about you, but were I Ingmar, I might not have thought to ask the host this question. Maybe after reading this, Ingmar did.

I know I had a question to ask the host about my own role, and I am someone who tends to look for loopholes to maximize my powers. It is always a good idea to keep an eye on LC, when I play with him, I never take that eye off of him, lol. I have played with LC for years & years, and I seldom trust him, he thinks very differently than I do.

He's an incredibly evil baddie when he's bad, but he's an incredibly helpful civ when he's not. Not seeing the evil at this point.

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