The Syndicate

There's also the chance I don't have an NK, you lovable nut.

Polo wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo, what degree of confidence do you have in your read on S~V~S?
High enough for me to say this: if she's lynched and she's not Cylon, then you can lynch me on the next day.

I am 100% sure she's mafia.

Are you claiming to have info? Becasue that would be impossible. And that would be the only 100% you could have, tbh.

And Jay, I kept poking her over & over, and she kept not responding. Since the Nutella lynch. Had she just once poked back, I would have backed off, but she never did, and she posted tons

LoRab was killed with lots of peoples assistance. And I also thought LC was strongly anti town, which is the primary reason you suspect me, remember? And Dex totally agreed with me re LC and strongly endorsed his read of me as a civ, why would a baddie kill someone like that? I thought Dex was bad based on Faradays reads, not his own, once he replaced Faraday, my opinion changed. And why would a baddie kill the people she thinks are bad? Counterproductive somewhat, isn't it?

I was way wrong about Bea. Other than that your vote analysis does not hold much water, but all in all, this is way better than your case the other day, and I appreciate the effort and having something I can actually defend against

If I recall correctly, I got a bit of a scolding from JJJ for having too many civs on that list, but OK. You're on it

Persistent little devil aren't you? Um no. No teammates here. I also doubt OA is bad.

Good Morning Polo.

*Passes the muffins*

Aw shit, sorry Bea

rabbit8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Voting rabbit8

I encourage this lynch. I believe he is bad.

Me too. I encourage it, and since I'm in the lead right now I still think Bea, Ricco, Sig and JJJ are bad.,

No you aren't you're tied with Bea.

I am going to

*Vote Bea*

Her answers were scrambly & vague. The main other person I came into today suspecting, sig, dropped down my list with what I felt was not an answer a baddie would give about how he survived. Not totally off the list, but down it quite some ways.

Most of the game I felt pretty good about Jay, and rereading him made me get that feel back. His recent suspicion of rabbit got my back up somewhat since it seemed somewhat biased by general demeanor, which struck me as possibly opportunistic and not totally Jay, but like I said, reading back reminded me of why I trusted him in the first place.

bea wrote:Svs - I remember addressing you early on. Outside of what others have said, and not being pouty enough is there something I've missed? Direct me and I will answer. I've taken the fact that you do have doubts about me as a sign that you were trustworthy. I know that seems weird but it is what it is.

Epi - there was a back and forth just before the Wilgy lynch where she and he both read me as civ and said they agreed with me. Then Wilgy said something along the lines of it being unusual that he and zeebs agree. She said "i know it's a magical game. " or something along the lines of that. Right before the Wilgy lynch I said something clicked for me. That was it. I could be wrong for sure but it felt like bts of the human and cylon kind.

That's it that's what I saw.

It is just your whole big picture. Starting with the Nutella lynch. You have made a lot of posts, and done lots of catch up, you just seem to never address the little things, although you are obviously reading the thread. You are playing the OMG I'm busy card more than I like for someone with as many posts as you have.

bea wrote:Rico - ok. I admit. I've lost why anyone thinks he's suspicious. I didn't think he was bad for refusing to claim. His stance that no one should claim felt more genuine than oa's everyone but me claim. Someone highlight what was bad about him again please cuz I don't see it.

Svs - I got the civ feel from her early in the game and I've seen no reason to change this opinion. I'm confused by what she mentioned by I would have guilted her more by now. But yea. I think she is a civ. I respect her opinion and have agreed with her lots this game.

Sig - zeebs thought he was bad. Wabbit still does. He seems to only pop up when mentioned. I know he's busy and I know he's tricky to read. If someone can make a case for how he is Leboan or six I will listen but he feels like the best bet at Doval or Cavil that I can see.

Sok - trying and reading fairly genuine. I get weird vibes from him at times not sure if that's cuz he's new and I'm just getting to know him or if there is something more.

I believe we are down to two bad cylons. I've been working under the assumption that the lynch of those two will end the game.

I'm in and out today. It's day 1 of comic con. My phone is already at 77 percent.

I have made pokes at you, and questioned things you said more than once, since the Nutella lynch, really. I have said I was suspish of you. You have basically ignored all of it. I think you would have been a bit more

at me for allof that. Either you did not see it (and you seem pretty well informed) or you ignored it. I think civ Bea would be more likely to pout at me & try to guilt me for those feels, and you didn't. I waffled a bit, but this really bothers me, tbh. You say you agree with me lots, but lots of my posts have said I find you suspect.

EBWOP, I also plan to reread Bea today. She has been tweaking me most of this game, and is seemingly oblivious to how much her name is being mentioned. Normally she would have laid a bit more guilt on me at this point, so I need to see how much on vs off topic she has posted, and figure out the "OMG I'm busy" ratio, lol.

Sucks when that happens, eh,Polo?

@Sokoth, alot of your cylon reads seem based on opinions of Wilgy. What do you think of the theory that Wilgy is a good cylon? And as far as Cain goes, by saying "All cylons must die" all she did was exclude people I could win with, and the more people I have to defeat the harder it is for me to win. The larger the pool of "people I can win with" the better it is for me. It totally confuzzles me that people don't see this point.

sig wrote:
S~V~S wrote:All I want is "yes" or "no"
I might have some idea but I'm not 100% certain.

Thanks for that sig, I was expecting a"Yes" if you were a civ and did it yourself, or a "shrug", clueless answer if you were bad, so in light of your very realistic punishment fear, I appreciate this answer.

I spent some time this AM reading back & remembering why I thought Jay was a civ in the first place. I can see why people suspect him, and I wish he would look past his own standards for civvieness, but I feel OK about him overall. I still disagree with him re BunnyBoy.

This is JJJs first sight of Rabbit, right? This is alot of peoples first sight of Rabbit,I think.

All I want is "yes" or "no"

I agree, re sig. I want to know if he knows how he survived. If he had a lynch stop, then there it is. But he won't say yes or no about how he survived. And I could see a bad team with one person who can't die, and the second most voted person also being on the team using a stop. There have been contests. But I can also see a civ with one, it is more normally a civ power.

But he is not answering that question (unless he did in the past and I missed it). He just low balls and then pops back up when someone mentions him

sig wrote:Yes since he was killed to frame me.

My change on Epi wasn't a flipflop he addressed my concerns and I was fine after that. Though there is still a world he is mafia. :P

Right. To frame you.

Do you know how you were not lynched?

sig wrote:Yes Scotty I won't do it right now it wasn't a slip it was a purposeful word choose, I won't do it for a few reasons. One I don't agree with it in fact it seems to be pushing role/info claiming and I'm surprised Golden allowed it. Two if people are going to vote for me they will whether I claim or not a portion of players have already decided I'm mafia and plan to lynch me.The fact nobody is batting an eye at people for setting up tomorrows lynches so early though isn't good.
If you will lynch me based on little to nothing except tunnely people fine I won't fight it since I don't feel like getting yelled at or having to deal with people who won't build a case. Espaiclly since I said pre game I'd be busy and people are now trying to use my activity against me. You're tunneling with no reason or case behind it. The other main pusher of my lynch is zebra who has like 200 posts of nothings.

sig wrote:
Scotty wrote:
sig wrote:Aww I messed up my own joke by bolding and not underlining.

Also this was the first GTH that everyone read me as bad.
You'd be wrong, but if it will help your concerns I'll claim cylon tomorrow. Since I'd rather not be lynched.
Why are you waiting? Your hesitance to say it before and your willingness to do so because you'd "rather not be lynched" is quite telling.
sig wrote:Oh and Epi makes some good points about my points on him. I'd be happy to leave him alive with his immunity.
Well that was a quick turn around. What made you change your mind?

Can we lynch this bad guy tomorrow please? Or at least let him claim so we can lynch him the day after?
Well it is night phase so it wouldn't count.

Also lol no i changed my mind awhile ago maybe read my posts and you'll see that. Today I reverted back and said we should lynch him to get rid of the immunity, but Epi gave a good reason not to so yes I did switch, but it wasn't a quick turn around.

So how about you stop being so tunnely.

Yeah, and now he is dead. Plus do you know how you survived?

I think INH is a civ,mainly cause I thought Silver was a civ. I think sig may be bad. He changed all of his reads and his thoughts almost instantly when he came up bad 100% in peoples GTH reads several days ago. Plus how was there a no lynch the other day?

@Polo, why should being the only one to disagree directly (Dex, who is conveniently dead,also disagreed, just not to your face. So did Matt) mean I am bad? Your ideas are your ideas; just becasue someone has different ideas does not make them bad. Hell, I did not even vote for LC. That was why I asked you the other day to tell me if you thought the others who disagreed with your idea are also bad, and I don;t recall you answering me.

Polo wrote:
S~V~S wrote:And publicly disagreeing with you is something only baddies do? Epi just did it and I see you think he is a baddie, too.

I speak my mind, son. Always.
My suspicion of him has nothing to do with what he thinks about my post.

Well, it seems like it could be a pattern.

Question; in a Mafia game where we post publicly in a thread, how else am I to disagree with you than "publicly"?

I appreciate you coming up with this. But you did not like the way I reacted to your post, so you went back through my posts & votes looking for things that fit your preconceived idea.

And publicly disagreeing with you is something only baddies do? Epi just did it and I see you think he is a baddie, too.

I speak my mind, son. Always.

Epignosis wrote:
Spoiler: show
Polo wrote:ObscureAllure, how in the heavens is sig a confirmed Cylon?

____________________________________________________________________

Going back a bit:

The Glorfindel/G-Man interaction smells artificial and fishy to me, and not like a red herring. I have to ISO G-Man because he appears to be trying too hard to look neutral. He could be mafia too.

G-Man wrote:As I see no reason not to, vote = Glorfindel

Burning bridges on your way out is considered poor form.
Is this you trying to burn the bridge that leads us to you, G-Man?

____________________________________________________________________

Very well, my post on S~V~S.

DISCLAIMER: I am working with the hypothesis that S~V~S is mafia, and possibly John Cavil. I will explain here why I think she's mafia and why I think she's Cavil, and all commentary will be made with the assumption that I am correct.
Should I convince you to lynch her, there could be two outcomes to this:

> S~V~S is civ: I will gladly accept to be lynched on the following day if this is the case, which I doubt it will be.
> S~V~S is mafia: We'll be much closer to victory.

Therefore, I am playing this move like a poker player going all in with the entire stake; and I only do this in poker when I truly believe I am going to reap the rewards.
Let's begin:

Day 1: S~V~S voted Ricochet:

She voted Rico near the closing of the poll, even though she suspected G-Man, because she "didn't want to spread the votes", and Rico's insistence on the importance of saying "so say we all" was making her suspicious. This is a lame excuse for a vote, IMO. But it is after all Day 1, and it doesn't matter much.

Day 2: S~V~S voted nutella:

Nutella was Number Four, and according to show lore, the #4 aboard the fleet was reluctant to support the Cylon cause. The other #4s were all evil.
If this game's Simon O'Neill was mafia, then I can see this vote being S~V~S throwing one of her own under the bus in order to escape any suspicion, for her survival is vital to the Cavil faction.
If this game's Simon O'Neill is based on the good #4, then this is S~V~S eliminating a nuisance.

She said if Nutella flips bad, then Spacedaisy is bad too. Spacedaisy was NK'd on N5. She wanted Daisy gone and some players even began to read her as bad, e.g. Dex, but it didn't work out and mafia decided to nightkill her.

Day 3: S~V~S voted Lorab:

S~V~S was the 5th vote on the Lorab bandwagon. If D'Anna Biers was civ, then this is mafia attempting to eliminate a target. If D'Anna was mafia, this could be an attempt to make oneself's vote record clean to the eyes of investigators. Other than this, nothing much suspicious on this day.

Day 4: S~V~S voted Lorab:

S~V~S was extremely certain at Day 4 that Long Con was Admiral Cain. At such an early date, in which no one could have amassed enough material to narrow down people to their roles, this kind of certainty is abnormal - and it leads me to believe that her rolepower (or the rolepower of some mafioso with whom she has BTSC) is to discover her target's role. Nonetheless, she jumped on the Lorab wagon, and was the 10th person to vote for her.

On this very day, JaggedJimmyJay decided to get everyone to do GTH reads. Here are S~V~S's reads:

red = mafia
black = good

a2thezebra (now Rabbit)
bea
Black Rock
Dex: dead
DrWilgy (CYLON)
Drumbeats
Epignosis (CYLON)
G-Man
Glorfindel: dead (CYLON)
JJJay
juliets: dead
Long Con: dead
LoRab: dead (CYLON)
Matt
Marmot: dead
ObscureAllure
Polo
Ricochet
Scotty: dead
Sig
Silverwolf
SokothQultuq
Spacedaisy: dead
Vompatti: dead

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On Night Four is when I started to suspect S~V~S.

This exchange jumped to my eyes:

S~V~S wrote:
Polo wrote:I'll repeat myself: I'd rather go after Cavil and his pack before doing anything with regards to Cain.
Do you know who he is?

Let's do it. Give me a name.
S~V~S was the only person here who argued with me on this. It's a major red flag in my book. By showing confidence at asking me to give her a name, she wanted me to forget any possibility of her being Cavil, but this little trick was her big mistake.

She somehow KNEW Long Con was Cain, she had suspected him before and definitely had him checked before convincing everyone he was Cain and that Cain should die before Cavil, thus freeing her and her mates from the disadvantages of martial law.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 64#p279764
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p279750
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p279755

By being the only person to actually confront me on this, she revealed 3 things: 1. She was dead certain Long Con was Cain, and this must have required the act of a rolechecker; 2. She showed how martial law was against her interests; 3. She revealed that it would be more beneficial to her to lynch a Cylon-hating human than to try to find and kill a Cylon before doing anything with regards to martial law.

Martial law could only be bad to the civ team if the civ team decided to go after the good Cylons. Nobody in this game had an intent to lynch the good Cylons like Epignosis, so martial law could have been ignored until we had killed the Cavil faction, after which we could lynch Long Con.

S~V~S needed Long Con gone ASAP more than anyone on this game. She is part of the Cavil faction; more than simply that, she is John Cavil.

Day 5: S~V~S voted DrWilgy:
I believe Dr. Wilgy is civ, and that he's either Caprica Six or Leoben Conoy.

Day 6: S~V~S voted sig:
Sig is someone I've read as mafia before but who I've begun to read as a civ.

Day 7: I don't know who she voted for on day 7 - I forgot to add that day's votes onto my spreadsheet. Can anybody give me a hand on this?
S~V~S is John Cavil. She did things because she is John Cavil. She bussed a teammate or two because she is John Cavil. She wanted Long Con gone because she is John Cavil. Therefore she is John Cavil.

That's what I got from this.

Don't forget the part where I disagreed with him.And the other parts where I disagreed with him.

Linki @ Polo, no, I read it, and that is exactly what I got from it. You totally disagree with where my head is coming from, therefore I must be bad. And if Epi, OA & I were a baddie team together, we would have won already

@Polo

I voted Glorfindel, and I said repeatedly that I had no info on LC. I have been playing mafia with LC since 2009, though. So I just *knew* something was up with him before Cain was revealed, and once Cain was revealed, I knew what it was.

Sorry if you disagreed with me that Cain was a priority, but it is harder to the civs to win if they need civ cylons dead. And I am sure he had another kill or something up his sleeve that he held back for a night or two so people trusted him.

I disagreed with you, so I am bad? I confronted you becasue I thought you were dead wrong, and still think so.

And you know what, I believe Wilgy is civ now, too. But on that day I did not. And you think sig is good, so I am bad becasue I suspect him?

Basically your case boils down to "SVS disagrees with me, and had the nerve to confront me in the thread about it, she is bad."

Polo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:Vompatti has been shot for treason.

May he rest in peace.
So say we all.

Do Polo next.
Excuse me? I said So Say We All.
S~V~S wrote:
Polo wrote:"Christ, what an asshole".

I hope he's either mafia or vanilla.
Please don't say that, it is not nice
https://web.archive.org/web/20070210090 ... shole.html

So? How does this make it OK?

Also I have to wipe off the cobwebs and get ready to go. Yay NYC traffic & errands blurgh. See you all in a few hours.

Polo wrote:"Christ, what an asshole".

I hope he's either mafia or vanilla.

Please don't say that, it is not nice

Polo wrote:So say we all!

I finally have some time to contribute. I've got a really sore throat and I coughed blood a few minutes ago, but I'm going to the doctor today to get that checked.

First, I need to quote this again.

Golden wrote:
Hello my lovely sortie finishers; GOOD LYNCH ; my pings: 1)bea, 2)Rico, 3)Drumbeats, maybe Polo, BR, and 3J too; ask me anything, I’ll try to answer.
Nah, all of those people (including me, of course) look civ to me. This could be the work of a deceased Cylon (like nutella) trying to divert attention from the actual danger.

Based on mentions of the sorties & the custom smiley, I am thinking this is not Nutella. I think Epi hit the nail on the head here, this is Indiglo.

I need to get back to work.

Is annoying people the point of this exercise?

And I thought you were civ too, and have disagreed with those who thought otherwise pretty much the whol game. But last night bothers me. It is what I expect from Epi; he finds a thing, and thinks it is something when maybe it is not, but he is always full speed ahead damn the torpedoes; doubt is not in his Mafia lexicon. Then he seeks to prove it, and can read into things becasue he is SO sure. This is not what I expect from you. It seemed somewhat opportunistic to me.

So say we all!

RIP Dex

Like one of the dead, I also think sig needs to go. We went all tangent wise overnight, and forgot about how sig survived his lynch.

And Polo, who now seems to be lurking 24/7 when that was not the case before,

[/quote]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:LOL, that's not good for me. You caught me.
Epignosis just tore this guy in half and his only response is this crap. There's no townie in this man's blood.

I agree; I think Rabbit is like me, a baddie at heart. But that doesn't mean hosts never send him PMs with a civ role. It means that people suspect him for his nature. He has, again, like me, less of a filter when he's a civ, so he says whatever comes to his head, and it looks suspish when you pick it apart. I am familiar with this. I personally do not think he is bad, I actually feel more confident about him than I did about Zebra, and I had a mid civ read on her.

I understand Epis points on Der Fuzzster; I don't draw the same conclusion from them as he does, though, and I disagree that he "tore him in half", but I understand them. You not so much, Jay. I think you are on my reread list today. I trusted Indi, and it is obvious which one of the dead she is, and I definitely believe in "dead hindsight". Maybe it is also time to look at who the dead suspected.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo. Get that case out. You have my attention.

Me too.

I think he is a civ.I have thought so pretty much the whole game.

All I am saying is that in the recent past, I behaved very very badly in a game, telling someone to fuck off. I also went all drama over (and at) someone else, violently quitting games I had signed up for in a very public way. I got called out for it by another member of the Admin team, and I deserved it. I behaved like a child, and I am far far from a child.

I decided I was not going to let Mafia get under my skin again. And I am not. So

i am not"attempting to look level headed & fair", I am trying to learn to play this game differently so that it does not always end up at rage,which is where it always used to end up. LOL at being suspected for it.

Epignosis wrote:To?

rabbit8 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.
Or throw someone under the bus? Is this not done anymore?

I think two mafia teams in this size games makes more sense though.
Save for a ping from Scotty, JJJ's case bloomed into a wagon. If we're talking bus, we're talking The King of Bus Mountain here.
I have done this to my team before. I think they told me they hated me......

Maybe we still do

Ricochet wrote:Recruit team with kill? Game is broken, town is fraked.

Recruit team without kill? Sure, make that two ways of judging things differently, then. But then the angle of JJJ hunting nutella doesn't really matter. It was on Day 2 and JJJ could have been recruited at any point in the game.

I have seen civs win a two team game with a recruit factor. I hosted it, and the host of this game won it, Dogma.

ObscureAllure wrote:
Epignosis wrote:BSG is on Hulu.
Is it not on Netflix? Hulu and chill just doesnt sound as fun.

Nope. And it is PPV on Amazon. I already have 3 different streaming channels, plus HBOGo. I just refuse to get another one

I think it is more likely that your case is underwhelming, tbh. You talked about me all during the last night phase, then during an extended day phase, with prodding, you did not produce. Now it is night again, and here you are doing the same thing.

But still, I look forward to it

Polo wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Well, thanks, I guess. I still see you in here now, so no time like the present, but if you want to keep waiting, OK

Your last post was 6:24 AM, it is now 7:27. I would think an hour should be enough. That must be one hell of a dossier.
I usually leave this browser tab open when I leave home, and almost never reboot my PC. Sorry

Our tray reboot is set to 30 minutes. I don't know that anyone else would know that but MP & I, though. So now all of you know it too

For future reference.

If a person shows in tray as being here, that means they could be showing up to 30 minutes after leaving. Not an hour. I am just really looking forward to it, you have been talking about it for days. So don't blame me for being impatient. A word of advice, the bigger the build up, the better the denoument should be. Waiting too long, you lose your momentum, and your revelation risks looking anti climactic.

Well, thanks, I guess. I still see you in here now, so no time like the present, but if you want to keep waiting, OK

Your last post was 6:24 AM, it is now 7:27. I would think an hour should be enough. That must be one hell of a dossier.

So say we all. Just in case, Lol.

Dex wrote:The Defence of DrWilgy

I'm going to try this one last time before the votes start to fall in earnest

1. I am as certain that Wilgs is a civ cylon as I was the LC was Cain. You'll recall that I pushed hard for an LC lynch. Now that Cain is dead, everyone's life is better. Particularly civ cylons.[/i

2. My belief that Wilgs is a civ cylon is not a hunch or gut-based. It is a logical deduction that follows from his posts. The only question is rather or not Wilgs was being honest. I think in context its quite apparent he was. I'd say he's been perfectly honest ever since he declared.

3. For those posting that Wilgs can't be a civ cylon because Caprica 6 is the last one and the math doesn't work, you are incorrect. Leoben is also a civ cylon.

A. He sided against Cavil in the cylon rebellion, along with D'Anna, Caprica 6, and Athena. He also aids Roslin during Gaeta's mutiny, and has a Starbuck connection. He is not part of the Cavil clique, group, faction, or whatever you want to call it.
B. It makes more sense in terms of game balance that this role be civ.

Since Wilgy never claimed to be Caprica 6 and has frequently pointed this out, I'm guessing he is Leoben. The only people with an interest in killing Leoben are Cavil's faction and any humans who still want to kill all cylons.

Remember this conversation, Polo? You were part of it. Maybe your hyperfocus on me made you forget it.

Let me ask you again; is it everyone who wanted to lynch Cain, or is it just me?

Link I, yeah, could I get that dossier please?

sig wrote:@Epi I don't know are they? I've gathered Cavil is bad, but what about the other two?

Okay SVS, I'm curious though what do you think of Wilgy?

I think he is a human aligned cylon, what I am thinking of as civ.

bea wrote:Glor - I get that you're frustrated but I am trying to understand you. I'm not being willfully ignorant. I'm trying to open my mind and my expectations. I'm trying to balance my knowledge of the show with the actual game. I'm trying to use both pieces of information together to come to the best possible decision in a semi-closed set up with little information.

I am not the biggest fan of in the world of polo's vote and I said as much when he made it. I'm not sure why svs isn't more up in arms about it tbh.

I'm doing the best I can. I'm sorry if I'm missing something so blatantly obvious to. I often do. I earned my name Queen Nub. You note *I* haven't voted yet? You know why? Because I am trying to understand.

lol INH. You left out squirrel baby.

I have explained my position to Polo. That is really I can do. I have had issues with my temper in the past; in a recent game I told someone to go fuck themselves out of frustration. Considering that my main "job" on this site it to moderate games and try to calm down people & situations veering towards the disrespectful & to try & stop people from telling others to go fuck themselves, that was hypocritical of me in the extreme. So I have been trying to moderate my reactions to things, and not to let myself be as easily frustrated.

Other than explaining my position, how much more up in arms do you think I should get?

sig wrote:I don't think we should be lynching Glorfindel, I doubt he's mafia and I believe it will be a waste. He probably isn't even two face in this game. :P

\ I find it odd SVS is agreeing with Polo when they're trying to get each other lynched right? Or is it just Polo trying to get SVS lynched?

I'm holding my vote for the time and plan to be back before the deadline, but I'll say this again I don't think Glorfindel is mafia lynching him is a waste of a phase. I'm just not seeing his mafia meta, which is the main reason I'm opposed to lynching him. Unless he has somehow increased his skills as a mafia member by a huge amount since last time he was a baddie I really really doubt he is mafia.

He thinks I am bad, but it doesn't make his point wrong about this

I think his assessment of the situation is accurate.

I am not basingmy thoughts on meta, but on his actual statements in this thread since he declared. He bad.

I am out for the night, bai.

Epignosis wrote:
G-Man wrote:Aren't we operating under the assumption that Cavil is the head baddie? If so, none of this makes a darn bit of sense.
Stop focusing on the idea that what Glorfindel proposed was true- just that Glorfindel believed it was true.

This ^^

Glorfindel wrote:
Polo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Polo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:What distinguishes a bad Cylon from a good one, and how do you determine that?
A bad Cylon is a Cylon whose win conditions should be incompatible with those of the good Humans, who need Cavil's faction dead.

A good Cylon is a Cylon who shares win conditions with humans and/or who need Cavil's faction dead.
You only answered the first question. I've underlined the part you've missed.
Lore.
Once again (to prove my point)... Pushing lore to an inaccurate conclusion. I believe this is deliberate.

OK, I think Polo spelled it out as clearly as possible without pushing any points, and I think it it 100% accurate. For the same reasons I no longer think Wilgy is bad, I do think you are. My vote for you yesterday was predicated more on trusting Silver, But today, this post got you my vote.

I am back from Parades/Garden Party (both soggy) and off to BBQ. Votingnow in case I am not back in time. I have checkedin a few times on phone, but I like phone posting so much better on Droids than iPhones, blurgh, I think I may be the first person ever to go back to Droid.

*Voting Glorfindel*

I spent the day as part of a volunteer clean up crew at our local National Cemetary, Pinelawn, removing litter, planting flags and tidying up for tomorrows ceremonies. I come from a strong military family, and try to do it every year, but I think all Americans should do it at least once in their lives. It is easy to lose connection to those who sacrificed their lives so I could live mine, and this is a way to restore that connection. Memorial Day is more than BBQs and beach parties (although doing/did that this weekend too

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I expected to come back to a big catch up, but I see that is not the case. Tomorrow is fine, Golden.

Hi Polo, you have been lurking in here since I got home about an hour ago. Anything I can answer for you?

I am also waiting for "later"to come around. Polo was in here this AM when I was in here and I specifically addressed him in the post I made. I have already explained my stance on Cain, which seems to me to be the primary reason he suspects me. And I was not the only one to feel this way. And I think we did the right thing by lynching him,and I would do it agian.

It's interesting; not only does he think I am a bad cylon, he thinks I am a specific bad cylon. Maybe he got a message or something, but if he did it was lying.

In any case, my goal as a baddie whenever possible is to win with the team intact. To me, that is more important than just winning, that is like the Coup Fourre of winning.It probably goes back to when you had to be alive to win, even bad, as we used to play it on LP, TP & RM. In all the years I have been playing, I have achieved it twice. One time involved a last minute rezz, but he was alive, lol.

So if Nutella was flailing, I would have chucked her if I had to as a baddie, but I would have waited longer. And I don't think she WAS flailing until after I voted her.

This is all top notch WIFOM,and I would not have brought it up myself, but since Epi did

In any case,I agree with Polo (

) Rabbit & Rico stop it. I also think you are both civ, and your differences seem to boil down mostly to philiosophical approach to Mafia. My time is limited this weeken,I don't want to see 20 pages of pissant minutiae every time I come in here.

Golden wrote:Hey gang,

Admiral Adama here. Weird couple of days, huh? It's starting to seem like everyone is a cylon except for me, ya bunch of creepy space robots! Well listen here. I'm your Admiral, proudly so, and that means I have to take it upon myself to facilitate peaceful communication between the humans and the space robots. I require that everyone state clearly and publicly what the believe the allegiances to be of the following likely cylons: Epignosis, DrWilgy, and Glorfindel. This is a direct order, and know that I am giving it with the best intentions. No exceptions. Everyone must submit a response before the end of the day or I will be forced to take action with my rightful authority as Admiral. Thank you for your cooperation.

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So Say We All

Epi: Civ
Wilgy: Civ
Glorfindel: Bad

And I agree that Six is quite possibly Indy, but I don't think she is any of these people. And I don't think sig is the President. Since no one was lynched, that means one of them had the most votes as the host has told us immunity means zero votes. Probably sig, since what would be the point of Glorfindel claiming if he was not a cylon? And that means lynch save. Most people seem to have thought sig was more likely to be bad, so I am not sure who would have saved him, if not himself. ALTHOUGH I tend to think of a lynch *switch* as a baddie thing and a lynch *save* as a civvie thing. So there is that.

But be that as it may, I think we need to lynch Glorfindel today, but I also think discussion before votes, kicking it old school, is a good thing.

Hi Polo, Let me ask; is everyone who felt Cain to be a priority bad, or is it just me?

RIP Marmot

Brown Bears are Best

OK, I love that smiley so much I am saving it in my signature until someone gets around to uploading smileys

Matt wrote:
Dex wrote:
Matt wrote:
Ricochet wrote:What are you seeing? We already have two potential Cylons playing the good game card. Begin your sentence with "I think" and then lay it out for us.
I see sig and Glorfy town reading the eff out of each other when looking through their ISO's. With the exception of sig "questioning" Glorf early on, they have been mutually strong town reading one another. Multiple times.

People now seem to think sig is Gaius.

Derp.
Gaius doesn't check for alignment, he checks for cylon, if that's what you're implying. I seem to be talking "near certainty" a lot in this game, but Glorf is Cavil faction.
I thought you were a fan of the show Dex?

If sig is Gaius, and sig loves Glorfy and Glorfy loves sig, and Glorfy is Cylon...

Would could Glorfy possibly be?

DEEEERRRPPP

Again, I could be wrong, but just sayin'.

Is there any reason anyone thinks Sig is Baltar except for him not being lynched? Becasue:

Golden wrote:I think it is fair for me to clarify that the lynch was resolved before Gaius was elected.

So him not being lynched has nothing to do with:

Golden wrote:

No-one has been lynched.

Gaius Baltar has been elected President of the Colonies. ALL previous laws have been repealed. Gaius Baltar has enacted a new Act - the "Gaius Baltar Immunity Act". Gaius Baltar is henceforth immune from all lynches.

It is now night 6. You have 24 hours to send in your night actions.

Glorfindel is a cylon, yeah. But he isn't Six. If you have time to reread a section of the thread, reread the first half of the last day.

Dex wrote:
Matt wrote:
Ricochet wrote:What are you seeing? We already have two potential Cylons playing the good game card. Begin your sentence with "I think" and then lay it out for us.
I see sig and Glorfy town reading the eff out of each other when looking through their ISO's. With the exception of sig "questioning" Glorf early on, they have been mutually strong town reading one another. Multiple times.

People now seem to think sig is Gaius.

Derp.
Gaius doesn't check for alignment, he checks for cylon, if that's what you're implying. I seem to be talking "near certainty" a lot in this game, but Glorf is Cavil faction.

Yeah this.

So say we all.

Spoiler: show

Polo wrote:The thing that bothered me and is making me nervous about S~V~S are these posts:

S~V~S wrote:
Polo wrote:I'll repeat myself: I'd rather go after Cavil and his pack before doing anything with regards to Cain.
Do you know who he is?

Let's do it. Give me a name.

S~V~S wrote:
Polo wrote:I don't. Do you think Cain is a bigger threat to town than Cavil?
I think Cain is a threat, yes, Martial law is not a good thing. Trashing peoples win cons is not a good thing. And I *think* I know who he is. Which is the salient point.

S~V~S wrote:
Polo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Thanks for the reminder.

Polo wrote:I'm not ever going to give people a civ pass for claiming, but be damn sure that the evil Cylons aren't okay with losing their first lynch immunity.
Most people have already used up their claim; do you want to let Cavil and his toaster pals get the upper hand? Frakking hell.
If I were an evildoer, I'd be perfectly okay playing ball. Why? Because it buys me credibility with people like you. You are operating under the assumption that the people who aren't claiming must be bad because...well, they didn't claim! Even if you say you are not walking that path, you are. And your enthusiasm here sounds forced to me.

Say, tell me more about this "first" lynch immunity.
Here:
Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

They'll be immune to being lynched on the day of the declaration. That's what I meant; on the next day onward they'll be lynchable.

S~V~S wrote:
Polo wrote:The Amnesty Law can be ignored if everyone claims Cylon.
What does that have to do with we all now need Epi dead to win?It isn't fair and it's wrong.

I don't want Cains win cons, I want the win cons I had back. I want to defeat Cavil, and I want to do it free from a dictator. Who probably has other things up her evil sleeve, tbh.
Lynch Cavil and then we lynch Cain. I said nothing about lynching Epi.
And do you think you know who Cavil is? You say this like it is a simple thing. Did someone forget to send me the "Who IS Cavil" memo?

Lets see what happens in the night; if the win cons changeback I will back right the fuck off (see SIlver! I said "fuck" ). If they don't then as far as I am concerend, a bird in the hand etc. becasue Cain has to go since who knows what she will do next under martial law.
She uses the universal assumption that Epi is good in order to remove any merit from my suggestion of getting everyone to claim Cylon. This could have been done in order to ensure that we keep wasting time discussing claims and the unclaimed and guarantee that the unclaimed would not get flak for not claiming, for there would be more people okay with that.

She still strongly believes that Cain is a bigger threat than Cavil, and showed aggressiveness when I said Cavil should die before Cain.

How in the frak could that be possible? Any civilian could do with lynching Epi if that were necessary to ensure victory, but who the hell thinks we need to lynch a civ/independent character before the Mafia boss? Long Con/Admiral Cain was more dangerous to mafia than he/she was to civs.

I think S~V~S is cylon; I think she may have had info on Long Con's role; I also think the Mafia used Nutella as a scapegoat to clear S~V~S and OA of suspicion (cuz they voted in favor of lynching a bad Cylon); and S~V~S could be John Cavil. I ask Gaius Baltar to use his power on S~V~S.

More reasoning later; also I plan on ISO'ing ObscureAllure.
I am perfectly aware that I may or may not take some flak from the mafia team due to this post.

Nice insta set up there; anyone who gives you flak must be the Mafia team

You really think OA is bad? And I have no issues with Baltar checking me.

I also have no regrets about making Cain a priority,either. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I have been playing with LC for years, and once he got himself entrenched, he was not going to be an easy lynch, he was going to talk his way into our souls. You keep saying "Oh let's lynch the cylons" like we know who they are, then we can lynch him. Until he passes laws like "Cain cannot be lynched" or whatever else. Had it been someone else in that role, OK. But it was LC, and LC can make you think he's your best bud right up until you feel the knife in your heart. It's not just about the role, it's about the player. I felt thatLC as absolute ruler of the thread was not someoe wo could be all blase about saving for a later date.

Just becasue you disagree with someone elses strategy, it does not make them bad.

I know you did not like it, but I felt he was an imminent danger to the TOWN, and everyone in it.

Wow that was some night!

I think there is some conclusion leaping going on. Early on the host told us many if not most of the roles have secrets. Secrets like maybe night protections, or lynch survivals or lynch saves, perhaps? Look at your own roles while you think about this. We are jumping to a conclusion re sigs survival and his potential role, and I very confidently had someone else pencilled in for that role. I have to reread all of this while I am at work. But if sig is NOT Baltar,I would think he is allowed to say so. If he already did, I missed it, and I'm sorry. I skimmed alot of the post host posts until I saw my own name in giant letters, lol.

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