The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm glad someone else it on board.

SVS, though the poll does not show it, I had also voted for Dego and ninja. I bolded it in the thread.

What does that have to do with bass knowing you wanted to split up Baltic & Mediterranean?

And bass knew you felt that way before you posted it?

Linki :/

$11 Baltic
$11 Mediterranean

Those low posters are probably unaffiliated civvies

I hope they aren't but while they are not helping by not voting, they are also warm bodies the indies/baddies need dead to win.

linki~ Baltic & Mediterranean??? How sad They never found each other.

juliets wrote:SVS how weird. This is exactly how boo's last post reads on my system: by boo » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:18:37 pm. Why would your say 12:22 and mine 12:18?

I am looking at the time on the poll, not his last post.



And TH, I don't want anything from you. You just had a "pissy baddie/Indy" feel to you. You seemed mad, not sincere. That is not something you can defend against, really, I know.

And we have lots of no shows, awkward unusual poll ending time combined with US holiday weekend probably kept Splints, as well as some other people who can normally be expected to vote/post, away.

juliets wrote:SVS note the last post was at 12:18 pm, not 12:44 or maybe you were just using 12:44 as an example.

I have it in seconds, so it reads 12:22:44 as the end time. I read that as 12:44, so still half an hour. But of the uninvolved people, I see Ninjajujube as being most likely to stay involved if she was bad, so not voting there. I am going to vote for TH and Faraday. I did not really see Llamas case on TH, some parts of it seemed really contrived. But his reaction to the last round of suspicion on him did not feel good to me. And Faraday becasue of his uncanny knock for showing up when he is discussed. That could be coincidental, but it is bugging me.

Oh crap, thanks for pointing that out, I thought it was 12:44 AM, like after midnight. I gotta cram up a second vote, I think. After his reaction to the second wave of suspish, I really think TH is, if not directly bad, one of the LMS. But not sure who is my second vote. I am tempted to go with a non voter, but I also think it most likely that non BTS civs are in that group. So

Other than LC, who do you plan on voting for, TH?

Turnip Head wrote:If I'm doing a quote, my part of the post always disappears when I hit "back" and only the quote is there. I usually "copy" my post to the clipboard, hit preview, then go back and "paste", but I forgot to because I thought the timeout issues was solved. The "back" trick works if I'm using the Quick Reply feature though.

Try the refresh, it saves quotes.

It did with this one when i hit preview.

Turnip Head wrote:I meant to say rest in peace to MP but my post got sent to time out and I had to rewrite it and forgot.

Either hit "Back" and it will be there, or refresh & then hit "resend" and your post will be there.

I am one of them, now

IF I land on GO, and don't have any bad luck re Chance/Comm Chest, I can survive another Hotel. I spent nothing except for the Protect, Sabie spent nothing before me. I won $100 in the Sevens, I won LCs $50, and I won $900 for this on Night 6:

13. S~V~S: Started on Vermont Avenue. Moved 2 (1+1) to Just Visiting. 2nd roll = 7 (3+4) moved to Community Chest (got $50 for every other living player from bank)

...and I counted 18 people on the poll that day, but I have not confirmed this from boo. I guess I also have gotten a few small rents from my card, although I have not confirmed that either. But knowing what I had the last time I checked, plus this, I am OK for one more Hotel stay. I hope I get to avoid that and keep camping out, though.

This game has brought a point that bothers me to a head for me to some extent. I myself am NOT a case builder, and I don't do "baddie hunting". I don't go looking for things to suspect just to look for them, I think that leads to civ lynchings. I lead with my instincts. If someone feels off to me, I read them for a better feel of them, and if I find quotes, I pull them, and if I don't find them, but am still convinced, I do my best to persuade people, generally without quotes. But some people play pretty good to flawless games, and you have to go with your feelings sometimes; sometimes they don't give you much to work with. I read some people pretty well, I think, others, not so much. That is how some people play, without quotes, etc.

Not a fan of demanding quotes and that people quantify "feelings" with bullet points and proof in order for them to be valid. Sometimes this gamestyle gets me in trouble here; more players in this group tend to like the bullet point proofs and logical analyses than in the group where I started. But I play how I play. And I think I am fairly successful as a civ. I lead with my gut 90% of the time. I think reading long, quotey cases is boring; I want to know how you feel. But i don't berate anyone for "bad form" for playing differently than I do.

You are basically telling Splints that her case and thoughts are not valid because she did not pull up multi quotes for you to refute, and it was late in the day. Plus she was trying to start conversation, IMO, and no one was talking. I read back on her and she DID mention you earlier, you just did not reply to her. So she brought it up more forcefully. This is not her fault. When *I* start pouting over not having a case to refute, and demanding one, that usually means I am bad. I learned that lesson in LOST: Revolution at RM. As soon as i was cornered on "gut" I pushed back with the same things you are saying, and it sealed my fate. Or would have if rabbit had not disappeared I was about to get lynched and would not have been able to talk my way out of it.

She plays a different game than you; it isn't "bad form", it's HER form. People have been discussing you for days. I have not seen it, tbh. But your initial reaction to Splints yesterday is what led me to vote for you this time more than anything she said.

Thinking someone made some good points (even if they were wrong, they were still good points) is not "drinking the koolaid".

Hyperbole almost always sounds baddie to me.

Vote missers~

Yikes. Based on rental incomes, he did not have BTS, and was still a civ.

Weren't you the one appealing to me about not wanting to lynch WW becasue of the insecurity of the kill passing? Do you remember saying this?

Turnip Head wrote:And now that I think about it, the fact that BR seems so gung ho on lynching an inactive Water Works today might be an indication that she is in the LMS group that won the Beatdown power. There's not much other incentive to go after an inactive Water Works. A civvie BR should be happy that the kill is not currently being used against us. Something to ponder.

And this?

Turnip Head wrote:SVS, I know you are just as worried as I am about where a baddie kill might end up once a team is eliminated. I'm not sure if you saw this, since you mentioned Boo's previous ambiguous answer re: the kill. This was a power that Boo put up for silent auction:

boo wrote:4) Beatdown: This power allows anyone with BTSC to take over the night kill of one of the mafia teams. In order to do so, all members of the mafia team must be dead (at least 1 of them must have been killed with help from a member doing the beatdown), and then the night kill can be claimed. Can be played prior to the requirements occurring, but will only go through once they are met. Bids for this power can be done privately. - Starts at $200

It's very likely that one of the two established LMS groups has obtained this power.

I'd rather leave the kill in the hands of an inactive player than to just hand it over to one of those guys.

Your points make sense as well, and his reaction to your suspicion that he was a rail, and NOT a util was interesting.

I am fairly annoyed that we are less than an hour from the end and so few people have voted. I dislike voting for a higher poster in this situation, but I also think the low posters are more likely to be bored people without partners, aka civs. I think I will vote for TH, and hope he is bad, but I will be OK if he is Light Blue, Red, Yellow or Green as well.

MM, Faradays timing interested me. LC posted this at 11:12 my time, right before midnight Saturday night:

Long Con wrote:Both DFaraday and Nijuu seem to have had enough money to survive landing on a red hotel, provided neither of them have bid and won for anything substantial.

DisgruntledPorcupine, however, landed on Luxury Tax, so he didn't make any money by passing GO. At a base $1000, paying $1050 should have killed him. Granted, he probably made some cash from people landing on his property, but if he made any bids that he won, then it becomes suspicious. We'll have to look into that.

A bit over an hour later, 12:22 AM, Faraday posts this:

DFaraday wrote:

Long Con wrote:Both DFaraday and Nijuu seem to have had enough money to survive landing on a red hotel, provided neither of them have bid and won for anything substantial.

DisgruntledPorcupine, however, landed on Luxury Tax, so he didn't make any money by passing GO. At a base $1000, paying $1050 should have killed him. Granted, he probably made some cash from people landing on his property, but if he made any bids that he won, then it becomes suspicious. We'll have to look into that.

I haven't won anything this game.

If DP is one of the more expensive properties I could see him having racked up enough reserve if people have landed on his, but it's hard to say.

It was his last post. Odd that he was mentioned like that, and *poof* he shows up. But his last post was about 24 hours before that, so it could have been coincidental.

I am really pretty perplexed this lynch.

Linki @ Splints, if you think Keys is WW, I would rather lynch a rail, tbh. The idea of one of those LMS teams getting a kill scares me more than the actual baddie, tbh.

Linki 2 @MM~ I think her point is that TH would not have done that to BWT when he was still alive, had he been his teammate. So she thinks he was NOT BWTs teammate. I think, lol.

I don't know of boo clarified that or not, what would happen if a whole LMS team that had developed houses/hotels dies.

Not sure where I am going to vote. I need to reread Splints on Keys. I don't think she would accuse him lightly, or intentionally falsely. I still think TH/LC are both more likely to be LMS than baddies.

Long Con wrote:Ok, I found it:

Result: 7 or more players rolled a 7 gives 7 random players (3 guaranteed from being in the pool of people who rolled 7) small random powers.
1 = 1 any time vote
2 = Protect that night
3 = Get a double search
4= Get a roleblock to use following night
5 = Get an extra dice to use following night (on anyone)
6 = Get $100.
7 = Get 2 of the other 6 powers.

So, three of us got $100... it's weird.

I did not see that since it was not in the thread. I don't read the data paste unless I am looking for something specific. So at least 3 of us got a prize, and all three of us got cash?

I guess I need to be reading it. Did anything similar happen any other night? Someone !mentioned random powers before, I thought I must have missed the host post

Long Con wrote:

bea wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Wow that was fast, lol.

On night 3 I won $100 for being one of 7 people to roll 7; I presume that the other 6 also won prizes; DP was not one of them iirc. But discussing windfalls might be something we want to think about if we start using hotel survival as a litmus test of big $$.

I won a similar prize on the 7's night. I'm not even joking. IDK what it was or what my cash count is at this moment.


It was prolly 1oo. I'm srrsly that out of it this game. I'm such fail its not even funnyl

Not even joking, I also won $100 from the Seven contest. There were three $100 prizes in the seven, right?

I had the impression that all 7 got something. Neither the word nor the numeral 3 was mentioned, just that I was one of 7 who received a prize. So if there was this prize, do you think it likely there may have been others? I know when it started being questioned in detail about how much money the people who landed on the Reds may have had and how they may have gotten it, I thought of prizes.Having won a secret prize myself and all.

And @MP~ I think we should run the lynches as we have been; so far we are doing OK. We have lynched several baddies, half of them (Made was a rail too, not just Hedge), and a newly fledged monopolist. I doubt FZ was a monopolist when she was lynched, but her team apparently has her card now. And Boogs was still a civ, as well, I would think~ someone landed on a property in his color set night 5, and paid non-monopoly rent. I would prefer to aim for a baddie, but if we get a monopolist, that's OK, too.

Plus I think, with all the development going on, people who haven't been lucky, or wise investors, or both, are gonna start dropping like flies from bankruptcy.

I think I am going to see in the AM if anyone made subtle "doubt" moves towards both Hedge & Made. Although that may be pointless since the person who put the target on Hedgeowl by attempting to kill her was also a Rail.

Wow that was fast, lol.

On night 3 I won $100 for being one of 7 people to roll 7; I presume that the other 6 also won prizes; DP was not one of them iirc. But discussing windfalls might be something we want to think about if we start using hotel survival as a litmus test of big $$.

My family did Thanksgivi9ng today since we're all gonna be in different places on actual Thanksgiving. So just got in, skimmed a bit, and yeah. I agree that the obvious flaw with the notion that baddies with info would build cases on the other baddies is that the baddies can't really NK each other (or they can't until the railroads all gain BTS; Reading just charged someone $50 so the two remaining rails could have BTS or Reading could have obtained another rail card) so if I were the utilities, I would NK people I knew to be rails and not bother with a case. Then they would basically be outed as baddies in the thread. And if the rails HAD all gained BTS, then the rail would die, and the Util would gain their card so it is still a less risky proposition than case building. The fact that zeek was killed last night, and the Utils had his role, makes me think he might have been a rail (which, if this were true, would mean they did gain BTS). Or maybe the utils had a card of the same group zeek was in, like if zeek was Park Place, maybe they had Boardwalk. I presume they could then build on it if they owned both. Or like someone else said, maybe he was a Red, and they wanted to break it up the set.

In any case, TH is a smart guy, and there are tons of ways to use that info role that are more subtle than case building in a game where the only info role is a baddie.

And MP, you win the prize this game for instances of saying "baddie hunting" and instances of accusing people for lack thereof. The problem with that in this game is that the LMS started out as civvies, and we don't even KNOW if someone is a LMS person at all. Llama is a case in point. He said he was not a baddie, and he apparently was NOT until right before we lynched him, lol. Personally, I think you, LC & TH ALL have teammates. So if you are not LMS already, you soon enough will be. Plus most of the actual baddies, 4 out of 6, started out without BTS, and looking for team association is a major "baddie hunting" tool.

Baddie hunting even became a scary point when boo said the kill would pass, but would not say how. So finding that last Utility, who may leave a trail, would be way easier thana kill that is essentially a needle in a haystack of people who used to be civvies. That was a point the "no searchers" were 100% right about on Day Zero~ at some point we will have to assume we are all, or mostly, LMS.

I am right around the corner from the Reds, the Yellows (no houses...yet, but charging monopoly rents) and the Greens. I can stand one hotel and maybe a house or two with the windfall I got last night, but not much more. We're gonna lost ALOT of people starting tomorrow, especially if the Yellows build.

Also, I had a question for the host~ @boo~ are we allowed to talk about prizes at all?

Linki~ as Dom would say, "wot"

no question mark, just "wot"

Well, all three of those are heading down the stretch towards the Greens. Looking at the board & recent movements, the Yellows are a Monopoly (MP is on Ventnor and the bank paid $44, which is the rent w/Monopoly). The night before Splints landed on Boardwalk and paid $50, which is the non monopoly rent, but they could have Monopolized since then. So Red thru Green is going to be very ugly very soon. We are going to start seeing some attrition, especially if Yellow starts building.

I also feel less bad about llama since he apparently WAS in a LMS group.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I did not buy anything on Pennsylvania Avenue, as I only just acquired it.

True, you would have to believe him. I am not sure what he would gain by lying about this though, since he publicly bought the card overnight. No one owned it overnight, right? Llama was dead, and the card was on the market.

Yeah, knowing I was headed that way, even when they had only houses, was why i decided against the Pricey power yesterday. I guess we know why they sold their houses now.

Linki, MM bought Llamas card, and he says he did not build.

fingersplints wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now I'm scared to go over there.

I don't personally understand it, but I seem to be the minority in that

linki About the Real names. i learned most of them they used pretty quickly. I try not to use them in games, but loads of people on this site seem to do it as well.

more linki

zeek

I know. I personally am not a fan of it, if feels cliquish & exclusionary, calling someone a personal name in public. I know it tends to make me feel excluded, like I'm not one of the cool kids. But that's me.

So I guess that either WW is a returned low poster, or WW was goofing with us, or missed a PM. And Zeek has been taking some heat, so that is a surprise. And the Greens have houses? Wasn't llama a Green? So that means they bought the houses before he died?

Linki~ I did not look yet. Where am I?

I think they are scarier, lol. They suspect EVERYTHING and rip everything apart and call each other by their real names so you have no idea who is whom. I was lost, alone and afraid ha ha.

thellama73 wrote:I am honestly stunned that so many people here still can't read me at all. I guess it's a testament to my skills, I guess.

For me, it was the whole weird distancing/faux distancing/vouching thing with LC, which he kept flatly denying. The more you did it, the more HE took suspish for it. I did not see this as a partner dynamic. And if you were not partners, you were trying to manufacture suspicion on someone.

And Llama, if you flip Utility, then yeah, Turnip Head is toast. But if you are a color civ, as you say, not sure how that would lead to a smoking gun re TH.

$90 protect

I didn't see any other bids, but just in case I am gonna outbid myslef and go with $70 for the protect.

$70 on the Protect

Turnip Head wrote:SVS, I know you are just as worried as I am about where a baddie kill might end up once a team is eliminated. I'm not sure if you saw this, since you mentioned Boo's previous ambiguous answer re: the kill. This was a power that Boo put up for silent auction:

boo wrote:4) Beatdown: This power allows anyone with BTSC to take over the night kill of one of the mafia teams. In order to do so, all members of the mafia team must be dead (at least 1 of them must have been killed with help from a member doing the beatdown), and then the night kill can be claimed. Can be played prior to the requirements occurring, but will only go through once they are met. Bids for this power can be done privately. - Starts at $200

It's very likely that one of the two established LMS groups has obtained this power.

I'd rather leave the kill in the hands of an inactive player than to just hand it over to one of those guys.

I have to agree, I would be more receptive to the seek & destroy re the remaining Utility if there was a kill tonight, assuming that that is a low poster, and not someone who intentionally refrained from killing in order to frame low posters. That person might be more dangerous than a low poster with a kill, imo. And if Llama is not a Utility, then I would be pretty amazed if he was not part of a team at this stage. If there is not another kill tonight, maybe the rails can start NKing low posters as LC suggested, and when they get one that doesn't die, Boom, there you go


Has anyone else bid on the protection, and did anyone at all bid on Captain Planet?

Thanks for the answer, boo. If it has no bids tonight I may go for it.

thellama73 wrote:More on Turnip Head, since my airtight case is apparently not airtight enough for some people.

Turnip Head wrote:Yay game!

Awfully enthusiastic. Enthusiastic to kill! Like a baddie would be.

Turnip Head wrote:The utilities know my role

Yeah, because one of them is you and the other is your btsc partner!

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:Can someone tell me what this means:

6. LoRab = 12 (6+6), Electric Company (roll is 3+1=4*10, EC gets $40 from bank, learns role).

Does that mean the person who is the Electric Company (which i believe is a utility thus a baddie) learns Lorab's role? I don't remember reading that anywhere but I can't think of anything else it means.

I had to look it up too since it pertained to me. If you land on a utility they will learn your role and get money from the bank.

Yeah, it pertains to you because you are a utility! Nice try claiming you "had to look it up."

I don't understand what part of this people aren't finding convincing.

Seriously? This, combined with that silly "partne... " post is making me think you are THs partner, lol. In seriousness, though, unless you are playing a lulz game and rubbing our faces in it, I don't see how you are doing LC any favors through this faux association act, unlless it is sarcasm (or faux sarcasm)

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Llama is acting strange as fuck and clearly not civvie like

It's a shame Rob is dead, because if he was here he would point out that strange does not equal baddie and that there is no such thing as "acting civvie."

I'll tell you how I am acting. I've been acting like a bored civ with no partners to talk to.

What are you talking about? I often am one to use the "weird doesn't equal bad" argument.

You're acting precisely like you don't give a crap about what happens to anyone other than yourself and LC. That indicates LMS to me. You haven't been seriously baddie hunting at all. How can you argue with me on this? And yet you STILL refuse to explain your juliets observation earlier? And your many other "I'm willing to vote _____" statements? You already explained it earlier as you being busy or something, but just because you're busy doesn't mean you're helping the civvies by just randomly stating suspicions without any back up at all. You basically also suspect me for BS reasons.

What would you like me to explain? I said I thought juliets was bad because I thought she was bad. I think LC is good because I think he is good. I think Turnip Head is bad for reasons I have already explained more than once, but a brief reiteration 1. He wanted to buy a utility. Why? 2. He was among the late voters for Boogs, and I firmly believe Boogs' partner would have been among the late voters for him in order not to look like they were defending him. 3. His tone (and this is the main one) at the time was that of someone desperately trying to keep attention off of himself by deflecting onto absolutely anyone else.

I suspect you because you rationalized away the fact that I bought a double search, which I would have had no reason to do if I was already in a team, in order to preserve your theory. I think you just want me gone because my suspicions are dead on.

I don't even know what to say about this. Boogs bid on it, too, and he WAS a civvie. You are acting like you are trying to make up a case to fit your thesis. So if TH is lynched and turns up Rail, I am looking at you for Utilities, NOT as LCs partner, since your over the top dis/association is SOOOO over the top. Plus I could VERY easily see you setting up low posters by foregoing a kill or two, I think nothing would give you more glee than giving people a good reason to lynch low posters. The fact that you called such an idea a bad one:

thellama73 wrote:This low poster brouhaha is a distraction and witch hunt. It's an easy way for people to escape scrutiny, and I won't go along with it.

...makes me even more likely to think it is true. You can watch your eternal nemesii (nemesises? ) get decimated, and say, "Hey, I said the lynching low posters thing was a bad idea." (Said Llama NEVER)

I am voting for Llama. If one of the other cases becomes more compelling, I may switch after work, but for now, none of them are really grabbing me, but Llamas posts are.

Three different posts came up on my screen; can you quote which one? I presume you mean LCs? Can you quote it rather than linking to it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: *snip*

I am still very leery of zeeks quiet~ I know he says otherwise but I am not sure I believe him to be on the level. I am also I am not a fan of Llama changing course on LC since we are going into the "turning on each other" phase of the game a bit earlier than I had expected it to happen, it seems. I don't think they are original baddies, but that sudden change is worrisome if we are looking to LMS teams.

I have been afraid of bidding for stuff after being NKed night one, but I will continue to bid for the protection, and am considering Captain Planet, pending a question:

@boo~ If one bids on Captain Planet, and has no current partners or cards other than the original one, I presume it can be held in reserve?

If I get the answer I hope for, I might be willing to risk a big chunk of my stash on that. A bigger BTS group has a better chance, and the more civs banded together the more "civ" we remain.

Linki~ other than LC, do you have any other suspicions?

I still think zeek is a civvie.

I'm posting less; do you suspect me for it?

For posting less? No. But this has been your norm more or less for the last half a year or so; you go through frenetic periods of posting punctuated by periods of silence as required by rl. zeek, on the other hand, I have played 2 games with, and in both he was MUCH more chatty than he is here. Even in Who where he was recruited (I am thinking Hedge hates me~ first she does not recruit me in Who, now she kills me night one ), the first half of his game was in stark, STARK, contrast to this one. Although tbh, with you vouching for him so hard, I am more inclined to think he is in a LMS group than a baddie.

But you comparing your behavior to someone else behavior proves nothing. Not sure why you even asked this question.

I am very surprised that Epi was killed; more than one person suspected him, and I had my ideas based on a reread of BWT & Epis conversation with LoRab. But it appears he cannot have been bad.

When I was reading today, I saw a post Llama made and it made me , but it also made me

thellama73 wrote:Please read my case on Turnip Head, Alex, before you condemn my partne-- I mean Long Con, who is definitely not my partner.

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I have seen actual baddie teammates do this kinda thing (rabbit & tranq come to mind) to throw people off. People think it's sarcasm, etc. Or know ing Llama, it could be actual sarcasm.

I am more likely to vote for Llama than LC; he is the one doing the crazy antic stuff. And even if the theory du jour is correct, and they are Light Blue, even if Light Blue was to get Hotels they are not the threat that the pricier Reds are. So if we are going to go after LMS teams, I would prefer to get the Reds to the Light Blues.

I am not totally understanding the case on TH either. Can someone explain it a bit more concisely? I have to reread today a bit more in depth, I skimmed on phone. I thought he rebutted it pretty well during the boogs lynch; is there more to it now then there was then?

I am OK with letting the Utilities slide for today and seeing what happens tonight. Since boo was so vague about what happens to the kill if a team is eliminated, it might be preferable to keep the kill bottled up that way. Even if boo finds a replacement, it would be hard for them to just start killing unnoticed.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Epi Sorry to see you go.

I agree LC, I think an inactive player is in charge of the utilities' kill now that BWT is gone. But how are we going to question the inactives? How are we going to get a feel for them individually? There's like 4 different players who haven't posted in 2 weeks.

Turnip Head wrote:On another note, we really need to start ferreting out the LMS groups, especially the reds. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the bid for the Beatdown power, which would let them take over Water Works' kill if WW is eliminated. Might be better to leave that NK in the hands of a comatose player...

So from these two posts I get the feel that you would prefer to forget the second Util, and let them pile up names/$$ and concentrate on the LMS? While I would rather get baddies, boo saying (very very vaguely) that the kill may not die with clearly baddie teams makes it a bit more murky, and I am a move or two from Red Ville.

Leaving the last util be could be both a good and a bad strategy. Personally, i would rather wait for two missed kills before declaring it a low poster, rather than someone trying to set up low posters. But if 2 kills are missed... There are still 2 rails left as well, though, unless the 3 remaining after Made died all found each other night one and BR 1.0, the only Util kill, was a rail. Which is impossible, as she would not have replaced back in from a BTSC role, as well as very unlikely even had she not replaced back in.

I am still very leery of zeeks quiet~ I know he says otherwise but I am not sure I believe him to be on the level. I am also I am not a fan of Llama changing course on LC since we are going into the "turning on each other" phase of the game a bit earlier than I had expected it to happen, it seems. I don't think they are original baddies, but that sudden change is worrisome if we are looking to LMS teams.

I have been afraid of bidding for stuff after being NKed night one, but I will continue to bid for the protection, and am considering Captain Planet, pending a question:

@boo~ If one bids on Captain Planet, and has no current partners or cards other than the original one, I presume it can be held in reserve?

If I get the answer I hope for, I might be willing to risk a big chunk of my stash on that. A bigger BTS group has a better chance, and the more civs banded together the more "civ" we remain.

Linki~ other than LC, do you have any other suspicions?

Opening bid on the protect $50

And yeah, it does sound like that, but at that price best be sure.

Long Con 185
Turnip Head 153
thellama73 134
Boogs 132
Epignosis 129
Metalmarsh89 114
juliets 111
boo 77
fingersplints 63
S~V~S 58

Yeah, ^^ these are the top 10 posters.

MovingPictures07 (3), fingersplints (4), juliets (5), Long Con (6), zeek (7), LoRab (8), Black Rock (9), thellama73 (11), S~V~S (13)

These ^^ are the Boogs voters so far. I assume the low posters will come in and put the final nails in the coffin, but the high posters, for the most part, lynched you, Boogs.

I have to agree that Boogs sounds pretty sincere, but he also sounded pretty sincere in another game I recently played with him, and he schooled me bigtime. So rather than going with appeal to emotion, or basing it on his ability to be an awesome emotional manipulator in the past, I am gonna go with the case and vote Boogs. He's all over the place and sounds kinda desperate.

I hope we are right about you.

And yeah, being voted out (and NKed) by low posters sucks. But it is the nature of the game. I have played maybe one or two games where there were almost no low posters, and that's about it.

juliets wrote:

Long Con wrote:I sense that juliets is reacting a bit overdefensively, given that Epignosis wasn't ever accusing her of being an LMS.

My perception was that Epi was accusing me of being LMS. I should never post in mafia late at night because I'm tired enough to see things that aren't there, but that was my perception at the moment.

To be honest, I read it that way, too. Especially since Epi used that grumbly blue smiley , and I think he tends to use that one when he is dissatisfied with an answer he is given, like it is the WRONG answer, in Epis opinion. So when he answered her with that particular smiley, I did take it that way. Which is why I asked for clarification.

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:I am not an LMS, I'm still a civ. Where on earth did you get the idea I was LMS Epi?

What does this mean? I thought it was a good question?

And Boogs, if you were a civ as you claim, lynching you would get them the opposite of credit, so that argument is not helping you, IMO. The way they would gain credit for lynching you is if you are bad.

Black Rock wrote:

boo wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Long Con wrote:Wow, Splintsy. Wow.

Yes. I can thank my wonderful husband for that. I even outbid myself once there in the craziness of trying to win that

Another good result. BIH Penn. Railroad Bye hedgie

boo, is there any way we can know who else is being replaced still?
I'm thinking maybe Ash. or SD

Here's my thinking on it: I have an event I would like to do for the only resurrects that will be in the game. That means I need dead players who actually have an interest in coming back, which means if we keep bringing in dead players to fill replacements, it just won't happen, and (if we're not already there) we're quickly reaching the point where it just isn't feasible to expect a new player to be able to come in and really catch up and get into the game. So, I am considering for players who want to be replaced now and in the future to just be pseudo-killed off, with their properties going up for auction. My problem there is disadvantaging their potential teammates if it's a public auction, which makes me lean towards wanting to do this, but having those bids be private, and perhaps a bonus to teammates of the people leaving the game to give them a better chance of remaining competitive in the game.

I'm open to discussion on this, but at this point it's the best solution I can come up with.

In the short-term though, my preference would be to not name the people who want to be replaced since in my hosting view, a person isn't out of the game until their actually out of the game, and discussing things like who wants to be replaced changes how people may play things, which is a level of influence I prefer to avoid (although given this scenario I suppose that's kind of a lose/lose situation going on).

At this point I would rather have no rezzes since most of the dead are bad. Day one we lynched a baddie, night one SVS died and has now replaced in (can't be rezzed). Day two we lynched a civvie that wanted out (will likely not come back), night 2 they killed me and I have replaced in and can't be rezzed. Day three we lynched a baddie, night 3 fail kill on a baddie. Day 4 lynched a baddie. So when is this event planned for? Anytime soon we are going to get a baddie back.

Also, I agree with this 100%.

And I don't like modkills myself. Make the baddies work for their dinner~ they need everyone dead to win, let them NK them; modkills make the baddies lives easier. Or conversely, let Llama lynch them. Or the LMS teams can lynch them.

Llama, In all your case sounds like an orators case; I see the passion, can visualize the big gestures, and the fist banging on the table, but the evidence, not so much. I can get with that though, and am not faulting you on it, since it is the kind of case I generally make as well, except I leave out the quotes. You say voting late is damning, but like TH says, he ALWAYS votes late, so it is harder to read nefarious intent into it in one particular instance. And tbh, I also thought it weird that Daisy, someone who purportedly has no clue what is going on just comes in the thread and drops a vote on someone for no reason, when, as you say, it was not a given at that point that he would be lynched. WTF? Why is it suspicious that TH wants to know about that? I did not agree with his thoughts on LC, but disagreeing with me does not make him bad.

thellama73 wrote: He bid on Electric Company, although he screwed it up, and his vote gave him a $200 boost. Water Works has the most incentive to bid on Electric Company.

Turnip Head wrote:Well I meant to outbid Boogs on Electric Company but my dumbass didn't increase the bid to $11. So boogs has Electric Company.

So Llama, then this particular part of your argument, the only part I found really compelling, tbh, could also apply to Boogs. Do you think so as well; that only since Water Works has the best incentive to bid on Electric Company, that it is also possible for Boogs to be WW?

Boogs, you are sounding a bit desperate to me, and I read back on the things you said that TH refuted, and he is right. He pushed pretty hard to lynch BWT. Your answers to him are making me suspect him less, tbh, not more.

fingersplints wrote:

Boogs wrote:I wasn't the one who presented the case, it was Llama and i agreed he was right. You can click the link of his case he provided above here and read it yourself too if you forgot the case.

I plan on reading it which is why I asked for it. The point I am trying to make that was if you really believed TH was bad you would have answered my question when I asked it. By the time llama answered it you had posted 6 times about other things.
I like how you are already trying to make it clear you did not present the case though. Already trying to shift blame, eh?

This is also a good point.

I had a busy weekend~ but kept up reading. I intend to reread both TH & Boogs a bit harder.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:EBWoP~ and you are not the only person, or even the first, to warn of this danger. Either we all agreed to not search (which would be like herding cats, getting all of us to agree on ANYTHING) or this would become an issue eventually. But we still have to get rid of the baddies even if teams ARE forming.

Sooo, since we pretty much agreed to search, and groups have formed and houses are cropping up, we should just let them have our money?

We are on a new day now, and we have multiple leads. Whichever direction people decide to go will be very telling.

Linki: So how do you justify your trust in him now, LC?

Noooo... I was replying to a specific post, the one I was EPWoP-ing to.

EBWoP~ and you are not the only person, or even the first, to warn of this danger. Either we all agreed to not search (which would be like herding cats, getting all of us to agree on ANYTHING) or this would become an issue eventually. But we still have to get rid of the baddies even if teams ARE forming.

Boogs wrote:I mentioned the danger, and you guys cared less. Now, like I suggested, if one player lands they pay them a ton of cash which they have power to buy any card for bid and powers. Great job listening to my suggestion since "I am so insane with my ideas " in mafia.

You know exactly who owns those houses? Why are we even playing, then? You already won.

Even if you are right about that, and LC owns those specific properties, you think we would have been better off lynching LC, who you now seem to think is a color block owner, and NOT a baddie anymore, than the actual baddie we did lynch?

Hedgeowl wrote:Wtf BO! Why did you want to kill me? I have nothing for you! I am going to keep my $100 from Community Chest thank you very much.

I do know how I survived to those who have asked. Having friends in high places helps. However, I don't fault anyone for suspecting me otherwise and would do the same honestly.

I am preparing for the arrival of guests and another toddler, but should be back to discuss more tonight and tomorrow night. I haven't really read llama's case on TH in depth yet, but find some of Epi's points on Boogs interesting, I just don't know that I am as deeply convinced by them as he is.

What does "friends in high places" mean?

@boo~ Was this a one use protection, or is it a nightly/daily power? It reads like a one time use to me, but better safe than sorry, because it really could be read either way I guess.

3rd) Protect (Can be used to protect a person of your choice at night if you pick during a day, and remove a person of your choice from being on the lynch poll if used at night) - $50 start

If it is a one time use, then I doubt TH would have used it at this point.

Lol, I missed YOU in linki as well. Well, changeable votes.