The Syndicate

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Interesting.

Thank you Rico for taking the time to read through me and sort through all of your thoughts on me, instead of just falling in line. It is much appreciated by me, though I'm not sure anything can slow this lynchtrain down.

I'm probably voting for either Dom or Metalmarsh today. Both of them struck me as disingenuous in how they've handled this incident. MM was trying to twist everything I said against me today. Dom seemed extra flippant in his vote for me: he seemed on the fence about me, then put asterisks around a single word I wrote and used it to justify a quick vote.

I don't blame anyone for voting me today but I was also hoping for a little more effort But people love an easy lynch when they see one.

Although I do suspect you I wouldn't mind a MM lynch today. He's been falling through the cracks for much too long.

I have to agree with you. He does not:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Seems like you're trying to push my buttons, MM.

Now, see, it seemed to me that he was actually giving you a platform to sound sincere & impassioned, while throwing in a light sprinkling of distancing It was a good show.

But I would be happy with a vote for either MM or TH. I think MM was in the crosshairs yesterday, and TH pulled his Made case out of a hat, pushing all of us who had Made as a secondary suspicion over the edge, and pushing MM away from it. But totally apart from each other I don't think either of them is up to any good.

I have to do some stuff, and I am exhausted. I will finish this tomorrow, Blizzard Act 47 is coming tomorrow, so I am all time. I finished most of my reading, and will think on it and put my thoughts together.

Linki~ yeah, see? I bet alot of folks, like Bass, were looking at MM yesterday. And did not vote for him (although the thread locking kinda puts that all into the what if category). Personally, i think TH is more dangerous than MM, but I do think they both are bad.

Wrong, try again.

I would disagree with you though about people looking at me yesterday. You were the only one who seemed interested in voting me at the time. I don't know why you just accept what Bass says without question. The guy has hardly been present, and has only voiced suspicion at just me. You don't even seem interested in participating either, and continue to post your little popcorn smilies while you watch civvies get lynched over and over again. You are extremely frustrating to play with. Your reads have been nothing but counterreads of mine. Oh, MM thinks LC is bad, nope he's good. Oh, MM thinks llama is civ, that guy must be bad (absolutely wrong). Oh, MM thinks Made might be civ, Made must be bad. MM wants to lynch Roxy. She must be good. And the reason I said your reread would be interesting is the exact reason you posted, that you will 'keep in mind' various things about me in a reread. I'm sure you don't give a rat's patooty what I've been saying all game, but I hope you've found what you're looking for to put me on the chopping block. /rant

He seems to think it is just me. I am going to keep reading today, I will vote for either MM or TH.

And how does he know Llama was a civ? We know he was not a member of the Brotherhood, but we don't *know* he was civ. Also, Dude, I thought he was civ myself. I think he did drop the death knell on Blooper, but I think he did it as a civ.

So what you're saying is, maybe suspicion of TH is a bad idea?

Black Rock wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:My initial read was very interesting. MP/Dom, you're out of control. I can't decide who I'm more suspicious of out of you two but you have both made my radar. Although I doubt I'll be voting for either of them because TH has gotten my eye His posts are reading baddie TH to me. I don't like how he is so dismissive of MP/Dom. Like he's trying to lead eyes away from a teammate.

Look at them if you want. I don't suspect them but that's just me. Other people were just as dismissive about this same issue, so it's weird that you're focused on me. You always think my posts read like baddie TH, you know that.

It's not just the dismissive but your posts in general. I'm not getting the baddie hunting civvie TH from any of them. I know I often (not always) suspect you, you're just that damn evil. I don't know TH I just have a feeling... tell me that I'm wrong and tell me why. I'm still open to new ideas at this point. I felt the same dismissive, baddie feeling from this post.

When I was rereading TH I found this post, and I think BR hit the nail right on the head~ "dismissive" is exactly how TH sounds.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:It's primarily tone.

This post:

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Made, at the risk of sounding cliché, I really thought we had a baddie that time.

I PMed the host, and she told me that Uwe Boll can use the power at will, there doesn't seem to be a triggering mechanism.

We're being really crappy Civvies. I may have forgotten how to be an effective Civvie, after being Black Knight and Gollum and Miles Axelrod, and in the Monopoly game I was LMS very early on... I am just not a good Civvie anymore.

and this one:

Long Con wrote:TH, fantastic job on the Made research! That's looks like some top-quality analysis to me, and it put Made on top of my list, so I will vote for him now.

*votes Made*

Feel completely hollow and insincere. "We are being bad civvies" is I line I'm sure I've heard baddies say before, and his "goshamagolly, TH! You sure are smart! Made must be bad after all!" felt way too easy.

Combine that with the fact that he was one of the few people to get votes in before the thread was locked, and that is enough for me. I'll be voting Long Con tomorrow, but I would prefer if I were not alone.

You should have listened to me earlier.

Why? So we could lynch even more civvies?

Turnip Head wrote:Seems like you're trying to push my buttons, MM.

Now, see, it seemed to me that he was actually giving you a platform to sound sincere & impassioned, while throwing in a light sprinkling of distancing It was a good show.

But I would be happy with a vote for either MM or TH. I think MM was in the crosshairs yesterday, and TH pulled his Made case out of a hat, pushing all of us who had Made as a secondary suspicion over the edge, and pushing MM away from it. But totally apart from each other I don't think either of them is up to any good.

I have to do some stuff, and I am exhausted. I will finish this tomorrow, Blizzard Act 47 is coming tomorrow, so I am all time. I finished most of my reading, and will think on it and put my thoughts together.

Linki~ yeah, see? I bet alot of folks, like Bass, were looking at MM yesterday. And did not vote for him (although the thread locking kinda puts that all into the what if category). Personally, i think TH is more dangerous than MM, but I do think they both are bad.

I wasn't talking about the two of you interacting with each other, I just forgot to put a comma in.

But good to know you felt it important to check up on how much you two had interacted. Something civvies worry about all the time

Just at work, enjoying the show.

I need to finish reading TH and you.

When LC is bad, he has this faux hearty, hail fellow well met kinda feel to his posts, which is totally absent here.

I think of it as LOST Season 1 baddie Sawyer vs. Season 5 upstanding Sawyer. They sound different because they have different motivations. Even if they are saying the same thing. Does that make sense to you?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:He seemed to have some context; where did he go wrong?

I can't remember if you've re-read TH yet or not. But I would encourage you to do so. Regardless of the quality of his response.

i did a bit, when him & MM seemed to be discussing the same topic all day long the other day. I started again last night, and will finish tonight.

Turnip Head wrote:Anyways this reminds me of the infodump post that BWT made (as a sock account) against k4j in the X-men game, so I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows something about my role (because this comes out of nowhere)... but he would be wrong to think it.

I remember that post; I thought it was a lot more wink wink nudge nudge than this one is. He makes some valid points, and I do not plan on dismissing BWTs suspicions (or branding him a dumper) solely becasue he is a confirmed civ with a source of info. He can't spend his whole game witholding suspicions because someone might say he has info.

I have no reason to not trust BWT, and plan to reread tonight, especially with a view to your relationship to MM in mind. I think the thread was going towards MM before the last lynch started, lots of people had mentioned him, then you made the post on Made, and swayed some people. I kinda played right into that with my paranoid "lets all stick together" thing.

So yeah, BWT makes some sense, and I want to read to see for myself.

He seemed to have some context; where did he go wrong?

Wow, how obvious and heavy handed. I congratulate you baddies for your total lack of subtlety

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Is it stiil Night 5? What's going on? I'm disoriented.

I made the Night 5 cycle longer to get us back on a normal schedule.

Oh, there's nothing normal here.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, it being night still allows me more time to catch up again.

You didn't miss much except Long Con turning out to be bad.

I'm neutral on LC--

other than tone, is there anything that sparks your eye?

I am gonna be frank, when made turned up civ, I tucked tail and hid. I had to walk away for a bit, and get my bearings back. At this stage, I want to reexamine everything. So no, not yet, And I am gonna be reaaaallly circumspect about when I do see something, and worry less about what people think of me.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, it being night still allows me more time to catch up again.

You didn't miss much except Long Con turning out to be bad.

I'm neutral on LC--

other than tone, is there anything that sparks your eye?

Nope. That's enough.

Well, right now your opinion is about as valuable as mine

*not sure yet

About some things, perhaps. Not about this. I have known LC a long time, and I read him better than most. He does not have that ingratiating tone he gets when he's bad, and he feels totally sincere to me.

Linki~ I just started playing catch up. So not sure you. You?

Um, sorry I don't agree there, Sparky.

Well, it being night still allows me more time to catch up again.

I had to walk away for 24 hours. I suck, and I am sorry

Bad*

One of the BSD roles can lock it iirc.

Voted Made

Canucklehead wrote:TH's case on Made is interesting, but I'm wary because I don't actually really trust TH at this point. However, in two-mafia games, baddies often make some of the best baddie hunters, since they're desperate to remove the threat of NK by the other team....so thinking someone might be a baddie si not neccesarily a reason to discount their suspicions and cases.

I did a read through of MM last night, and I really didn't see anything at all that read like a baddie to me there, so I don't think I'll be jumping on that train unless some more compelling thoughts/cases on him come forward....

So if you are not discounting cases, what do you think of Made & MMs cases on me? Do you agree that civs should keep a tight vote if possible?

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:As for Llama... still seems slimy to me, but I'm willing to wait another day to deal with that.

Your vote post seems slimy to me, so let's call it even.

Why do you find s vote for Made slimy?

Linki :o

Yeah, alot of people are gonna miss votes, thats why i am so fanatical about sticking together as much as possible.

BBL to vote, hopefully we have somewhat of a turnout.

The thing with the link~ I just asked for a common courtesy, please post quotes, not links. What the hell is so hard about that? It is what most of us have done for years & years.

I was asking for a favor.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think SVS is suggesting that Roxy is Godard (vomps message partner) since she defended vomps, because how else would Roxy be certain of vomps being civ while also being civ? If Roxy is civ and she knew vomps was civ, there would be no reason to entertain a vote for him.

I might be wrong about what SVS is insinuating, but that's how I read it.

Why do you insist on doing this, not just in this game, but in every game? What if Roxy really is this role? Don't you think, in light of all the info dropping discussion, that discussing what civvie role someone may or may not be, or that someone may think they are, is a really bad idea?

Some of us work really hard to get our point across while being somewhat vague and not endangering people, and to have you do this is, frankly, infuriating. You are supposed to read between the lines, not publish them.

I responded to this before, but I have been stewing on it ever since.

{/high horse]

Linki~ I am more sure of MM, but would rather come to a consensus.

I don't mean to call people out, but you're not helping matters.

There are holes in your theories about Roxy. I proved you wrong. I also think Roxy is bad news. I'm not going to sit back while you defend an untrue statement. You have also refused to follow links, so I have to keep bringing my theories back to the forefront of discussion in quotes rather than hoping they went unnoticed. Why do you keep getting distraught over my statements? Am I hitting the nail on the head again?

There are lots of holes in lots of theories about lots of people. I may be right about her, or I may be wrong. I have my opinion.

And I mentioned why I waited 4 hours in that post right up there^^

I thought about that post for HOURS. Basically, whether you agree with me or not that Roxy is bad or civ, the fact is that you casually potentially outed her. When someone is being vague, and saying stull like, "I think I saw" or "She said something that led me to believe" then saying, "Oh person X thinks Person Y is role Z" is potentially outing people. That was the point I was making. So don't tell me to say what I mean and to be less vague. The fact that I actually do NOT think she is not that role is not the point.

You don't announce speculation on who is what civvie role in the thread. Whether it is true or not, it is a form of target painting and info dumping.

I have refused to follow links becasue I CAN"T FOLLOW THEM ON MY PHONE WITHOUT LOSING MY POST.. Why does having crappy technology in the form of an old phone make me a baddie? That's absurd, lol.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let me also ask, why are you waiting to come to a consensus? You did the same thing Day 1. You thought I was bad for defending AP, but you voted AP. You've stated (in the quote below) that you are 'for sure' on me. Why do you want to wait for a wagon to form?

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:LC, who are your top three suspects?

Glad you asked. I'm still of the mindset that Llama is a baddie, and if I recall correctly, I think that MM and Made are on his team as well.

And that's my top three!!!

I am not as sure of Llama as you are, but I can agree on MM for sure, possibly made as well. Ricochet rounds out my top three

Linki: ewww

Because we cannot change votes this game. We have lynched a crapton of civvies already, there are potential vote manipulations floating around, and if we scatter all our votes around, a civvie is going to get lynched. The lynch ends at a weird time, so we are going to be short a few votes as well. In this case, it is looking like the baddies are taking aim at me. So, it is a good idea to try to all agree on someone as much as it is possible in order to not lynch that civ. Because I will be at twork during the busiest part of my day the last few hours of the poll and will be utterly unable to defend.This is why I care so much about it. Why does it bother you? Cause it's harder for the baddies if the civvies coordinate and don't spread their votes out?

How does this desire, or my being annoyed at you info dumping (and whether it is true or not, naming a civvie as a certain role in thread is just that), or any of the other ridiculous points you have made about me, make me bad? They don't becasue I am not.

I do not want to vote for Llama. I am willing to vote for MM or Made if people go that way. I could also vote for Ricochet, but fewer people seem to be looking in that direction. I will be back to vote before the deadline vote for either MM or Made, whoever has the most votes.

*barf

We need a bard smiley

Made wrote:If this helps anyone: I think it's worth point out the interesting trust dynamic that seems to be going on.

MM, Myself, Rico, Llama(?), DF

vs

Roxy, SVS, TH, Dom, LC

BR, Canuck, BWT are neither positive or negative to either of the trust groups.

I'm not saying this to create an overarching argument about the roles or possible association between the two groups, since this is very much simplified (notably when you look at Llama and LC). That said I think BR, Canuck, and BWT are an interesting group in the fact that they seem to be escaping the aforementioned feud.

BR said that lynching me was a horrible idea. That seems a fairly definitive statement.

thellama73 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Hmmmmm....I don't know if I'm suspicious of Dom exactly, but his posts have seemed very curt/terse this game which is not what I normally associate Dom with. Since he hasn't been under a huge deal of suspicion (apart from his bout with MP), I'm having difficulty ascribing it to civvie frustration....perhaps a baddie frustrated by kill fails? Or by teammates who aren't pulling their weight?
I'm not willing to vote for Dom based merely on my (very subjective) Interperetation I the tone of his posts, but it has been drawing my attention throughout the game, so I'd like to hear others' opinions on whether this is regular Dom (and I'm just remembering him wrong and/or misinterpreting his short responses) or whether this is odd

No one ever takes my opinions seriously.

Huh?

What?

wat

(wher's Dom when you need him??)

This was in reply to Made, I forgot to quote that part, lol.

S~V~S wrote:I mean that she would not have bothered day fending him either unless she was sure he was civ. And she would have had no way of knowing that.

First "day fending" is android speak for "defending" and this was actually a clarification on another post. I don't believe Roxy would have gone out of her way to defend someone whose affiliation was very questionable (alot of what was said on Vomps made sense re a gamestyle POV; but it did not take into account that it was one of his best Forum friends hosting, on a topic he was super into. And he had to keep defending from second one, so that elevated his on topic post count). Vomp could very well have come up bad. I was on pins & needles myself waiting on his lynch result.

I don't think a bad Rox would have even gotten involved in this, but if she did, she certainly would not have defended Vomps who had a 50/50 chance at coming up bad.

And I don't know how you did not understand my meaning here as you quote my follow up to this lashing at MM and say you grasp & kinda agree. So missing why you need a rephrase.

Made wrote:House showing and my grandmothers lack of wifi prevented me from keeping up, but that's what i plan to do right now.
On a skim last night , I saw people were interested in who I wanted to pursue. Before I catch up and case up, I'd like to say going into Day 5, I am most suspect of Roxy and SVS. stand by plox.

I thought you were most suspicious of Llama for not voting for me or Roxy. Cause you know, we did not think Vomps was bad. Oh wait, he wasn't

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think SVS is suggesting that Roxy is Godard (vomps message partner) since she defended vomps, because how else would Roxy be certain of vomps being civ while also being civ? If Roxy is civ and she knew vomps was civ, there would be no reason to entertain a vote for him.

I might be wrong about what SVS is insinuating, but that's how I read it.

Why do you insist on doing this, not just in this game, but in every game? What if Roxy really is this role? Don't you think, in light of all the info dropping discussion, that discussing what civvie role someone may or may not be, or that someone may think they are, is a really bad idea?

Some of us work really hard to get our point across while being somewhat vague and not endangering people, and to have you do this is, frankly, infuriating. You are supposed to read between the lines, not publish them.

I responded to this before, but I have been stewing on it ever since.

{/high horse]

Linki~ I am more sure of MM, but would rather come to a consensus.

Long Con wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:LC, who are your top three suspects?

Glad you asked. I'm still of the mindset that Llama is a baddie, and if I recall correctly, I think that MM and Made are on his team as well.

And that's my top three!!!

I am not as sure of Llama as you are, but I can agree on MM for sure, possibly made as well. Ricochet rounds out my top three

Turnip Head wrote:SVS all I'm trying to do is have a discussion about a player in the game. I did not ask that you "reread through entire games in order to disagree with me" nor was it implied. I don't care if you agree or disagree. My post was for the entire thread to read, not just you. You stated your opinion and now I have stated mine.

But YOU do seem to care, you have gone through great lengths to refute my argument.

And you are starting to sound kinda annoyed. But my break is over anyhow, back to work for me. Carry on

Can't wait to see the outcome of the two of you spending the whole day discussing one opinion of mine

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean that she would not have bothered day fending him either unless she was sure he was civ. And she would have had no way of knowing that.

S~V~S wrote:I could be wrong, but this is something she and I have in common when civ. I honestly do not think she would have bothered to defend Vomps. I think she would have voted for him.

I remember one game where Roxy was a baddie in a two-mafia setup, 3 baddies on each team, very similar to this game: TV Show Mafia on RM. I just went back and reread all of Roxy's posts from that game, and I must disagree with your opinion that Roxy doesn't defend other players when she's a baddie. She did it multiple times in that game. She also did NOT hop on bandwagons just to blend in; if anything she did the opposite.

I don't have the time to reread entire games in order to disagree with you. This is my opinion of her formed over many years of playing with her.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think SVS is suggesting that Roxy is Godard (vomps message partner) since she defended vomps, because how else would Roxy be certain of vomps being civ while also being civ? If Roxy is civ and she knew vomps was civ, there would be no reason to entertain a vote for him.

I might be wrong about what SVS is insinuating, but that's how I read it.

How would I know such a thing? I did consider it but those roles can't out to each other according to the first page.

Not sure why my opinion means so much to the two of you, you seem to have spent the whole day talking about it.

I could be wrong, but this is something she and I have in common when civ. I honestly do not think she would have bothered to defend Vomps. I think she would have voted for him.

TH, what was your opinion on MM?

*defending

&%$%-- autocorrect

I mean that she would not have bothered day fending him either unless she was sure he was civ. And she would have had no way of knowing that.

The poll ends at a weird time for me, but we have another whole day/night to discuss, which is good.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Lol it is not an explanation, it is an opinion. I don't much care if you buy it.

And you are conveniently skipping the second half of that post where I said I ALMOST thought that. The part where i pretty much said the same thing I just posted.

What's the point in saying it if you don't intend it it? I get the feeling that you want to lynch llama, but you're waiting for someone else to push the issue so you can follow along. You've offered no other explanation for BWT being rezzed while calling mine lame.

Linki: MP was lynched Made.

I said it because this is a game where we give opinions. So I gave one. I don't want to lynch Llama, I want to lynch you.

He was lynched.

Lol it is not an explanation, it is an opinion. I don't much care if you buy it.

And you are conveniently skipping the second half of that post where I said I ALMOST thought that. The part where i pretty much said the same thing I just posted.

Lol *to look stuff up, NOT "toxic"

Also re Llama, I have gone back and forth. I was fairly sure he was bad until his reaction to Vomps lynch. It was fairly solidified for me when he went after Blooper; he would not have done that IMO right after the Vomps lynch were he bad. But then he will say something that makes me go hmmmm.

Can you tell me just what I said that you are referring to? It's hard for me toxic stuff up on phone at work.

I think if Roxy was bad she would have voted for Vomps in order to avoid standing out.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:How else do you explain not being lynched Roxy? You hardly addressed it, which leads me to believe that you know something.

Also, @SVS, you suggested that prizes were involved in the lynch yesterday. Why would someone use a prize to get blooops (a civ) lynched if they didn't want to keep Roxy alive?

Perhaps if they thought Bloops was bad?