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I did not think he was particularly bad; I did not feel that way about you. It was not a whim; I had mentioned you before, and I have been watching you closely. You keep talking about how you aren't going to role hint, or out yourself, or info drop, and yet you are so heavy handed in implying you are Yotsuba, I think you might be actually bad. Becasue I do not think you are Yotsuba, and I certianly don't think you're a detective. Like at all.Epignosis wrote:Without pulling posts, I had the impression that S~V~S and boo were Raye and Naomi. I no longer have that impression.
I will admit that my suspicion of S~V~S was reactionary- S~V~S would not vote for boo without a "smoking gun," but she would vote for me on a whim. While that annoys me, it shouldn't cloud my judgment. I find S~V~S to be awfully inconsistent in practice across the board. I believe that is one source of contention between S~V~S and me, or for that matter, S~V~S and thellama73. She's a "gutter," not a "caser." I can accept that, even if I disagree with her approach and even if I am the victim of that approach.
Obviously, I suspect her for ballooning the detective win condition into basically needing everyone dead to win. But I know she gets paranoid. Drive me insane, but I'm sure I have the same effect.
I think what you all need to start asking yourself is this: What would Kira do without the support of a team? Essentially, we're up against a handful of Serial Killers, one of which has a partner, and some of which that do not even have a kill.
What I mean is this: Rather than go on and on about how someone acted in this game or that game, explore how a person might act by having a vanilla Mafia role (i.e., no BTSC or kill). That person would just be looking to survive until the point when he DOES get the kill, right?
I would advise you all to do your rereads with that in mind.
But he's doing it to everyone, not just you.zeek wrote:Considering how many times he brought up my vote I don't feel it was playing Devils Advocate.S~V~S wrote:I was thinking of it more in terms of Devils Advocate.
I've just realised I was immune N1 and D2, not D2 and N2. Thanks for the talk, Turnip, always a pleasure drawing attention to myself
Well, being married for years, perhaps they can read each other based on RL knowledge & cues, not unlike Epi/Elo.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Thanks. I didn't see that one.DharmaHelper wrote:There you go Marsh.Zomberella12 wrote:@DH-Give me a break. I've barely been able to keep up with you let alone make meaningful and well crafted additions to the conversation. This is only my second game ever. I haven't had time to formulate any kind of strategy and trying to analyze me would be weird because I'm still trying to figure out how to play. I like to post and I agreed with Boo. That's it.
I think Snowman was right, it was pretty telling how you handled this accusation, Zomb.
So you think she is wilting under the pressure? I'm seeing the opposite here. What do you think about her accusations of Snowman?
I have to reread the roles. I thought there was a pair of detectives, Raye & Naomi, and a pair of baddies, Light & Ryuk. Who did I miss?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think you mean 6 players started out knowing another player's identity.S~V~S wrote:Zomberella12 wrote:SVS, can I please have a cookie?
Zomba, Snowman has answered about you~ what do you think of him? You were a bit waffly yesterday; first you said you would vote for him, then not so much. He is playing a fun, rollicking kind of game (the kind I used to play and am trying to get back to); is this an aspect of his rl personality?
Linki @DH~ I have not seen anything alarming about Zomba, either. But just becasue someone disagrees with your suspicion does not make it illegitimate. This game started out (as far as I can see) with only four people who knew someone elses identity. So even the baddies are flying in the dark a bit, which I rather like. Also lots of people who are unfamiliar with each others various styles in this game, which I also like. So I think there are going to be more small pings than normal.
Zomberella12 wrote:SVS, can I please have a cookie?
Yotsuba have a bunch of question marks as their win condition. Maybe their win condition is "Kill all Detectives". Maybe they can win with the baddies, but not the Detectives. Since we don't know what they have to do, they are a danger. It isn't just about the civ win condition, it's also about EVERYONES win condition.Epignosis wrote:No they aren't. They're not even a team. If you are a detective, you need Kira dead. That is all. Read the detective win condition so you are clear what your enemy's objective is.boo wrote:It'd only be second worst if they weren't a baddie team. But they are, so it's not a bad outcome. The only bad lynch outcome is a detective being lynched. Which you would know, if you weren't Yotsuba.
Be back this afternoon.
The way Shingo, and possibly Reiji. is written, there is potential for BTS, which would say "team" to me. With Mystery conditions, headed by a Kira who potentially can kill. Even if they are Indies they are far from benign.
Yotsuba Group (7)
While Higuchi possesses a Death Note, every night all members of Yotsuba decide on whom Kira should kill. They do not share BTSC by default. Members of Yotsuba Group win by ??????.
Kyosuke Higuchi (Third Kira) – A very greedy and power-hungry man who becomes the owner of a Death Note if a certain chain of events occurs. However, little does he know he is no more than a tool in an elaborate scheme orchestrated by the original Kira. Each night, while in possession of a Death Note, he votes on a victim for Kira to kill, concealing the fact that he is actually the one deciding others’ fates. Higuchi cannot be lynched or night killed until he receives a Death Note; thereafter, even if the Note is taken from him, he can die. When he possesses a Death Note, all members of Yotsuba vote on a player to die every night, but Higuchi has a choice to override the player to be killed. However, if he does so, he risks the chance of outing himself to his fellow members. Each member currently alive has a 25% chance of learning Higuchi’s real identity every time a kill is overriden, with a 75% chance of instead receiving a randomly redirected result. When he gains his Death Note, he is offered the Shinigami Eye Deal. If Higuchi takes the Eye Deal, he can role check two players every night but he must kill one of those two players; this only applies if he overrides the kill selection. If Higuchi currently cannot kill with a Death Note or does not override the kill target, he cannot role check anyone. Because the Eye Deal cuts his lifespan, all votes against Higuchi in lynches will be doubled for the remainder of the game. If Higuchi refuses the Eye Deal, he still may change his mind and accept it later at any time.
Shingo Mido - After Higuchi has killed two victims, he invites Namikawa, Shimura, and Ooi to a secret meeting. (Secrets)
Reiji Namikawa – After Higuchi has killed one victim, he receives an anonymous phone call. (Secrets)
This. Very seriously this.bea wrote:So that way was wrong too? Would you rather I go back to just posting a reply to every post I read so you wake up to like 10000 posts from me? I miss alot on weekends because of time zones and because I don't get done working till after 2 AM my time. Literally everyone in the world is asleep. Help me help you make my catch up posts less painful.DharmaHelper wrote:I was gonna try and keep trucking through my catch up then I read beas post. lol no.
@Eloh - I said the 58% thing, but I think the bulk of the "Eloh is trying to rationalize her kills" suspicion came from the highlighted area.
Which are all things you said.I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.
I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.
Or don't laugh at me.
Either or.
S~V~S wrote:Well, I do, and I intend to harp on it.thellama73 wrote:I do not.S~V~S wrote:I think you should do it now, just in case. You don't?thellama73 wrote:Later
I think he's needling EpignosisZomberella12 wrote:Why are you calling the Yakisoba boyscouts? They are not the good guys.DharmaHelper wrote:Aw dang Epi we lynched a boyscout
RudeEpignosis wrote:No offense intended, but I don't really care what you like.Zomberella12 wrote:And here we go again. Going to vote for SVS then votes Snowman. Not liking that. Why didn't you vote SVS. What are these magical clues that you have? Oh right, the plebians are too pedestrian to understand. Your clues are "much too good for children."Epignosis wrote:Three lynches ending at the same hour.
I am going to vote for S~V~S. Her vote for me was unexplained, as were the three that preceded hers, and I intend to NO-U the hell out of that. Also, she said she wouldn't vote for boo unless there was a "smoking gun." She gives me no such allowance. She has also ignored two of my posts so far.
You didn't need much impetus to vote for me Day 1. Settling in now, yes?
Pfff.
Well, I do, and I intend to harp on it.thellama73 wrote:I do not.S~V~S wrote:I think you should do it now, just in case. You don't?thellama73 wrote:Later
I think you should do it now, just in case. You don't?thellama73 wrote:Later
you should do thatEpignosis wrote:I have two clues about S~V~S. Neither are info. It's based on thread and my experience. There is a chance she is a detective but I have to think it over.
It was ironic, but OK :PTurnip Head wrote:Let the llama answer for himselfS~V~S wrote:Becasue I tried to give him serious advice?Turnip Head wrote:What makes you say that?thellama73 wrote:In case I don't make it, I really think we are seeing svs' baddie game.
Becasue I tried to give him serious advice?Turnip Head wrote:What makes you say that?thellama73 wrote:In case I don't make it, I really think we are seeing svs' baddie game.
Yeah, and I killed you night one alot, too, when i was bad. But I now have Typo Power, and i learned how to laugh at you; that happened during Donner.Epignosis wrote:You told me last game you weren't afraid of me. I think you are because you keep voting for me. Think about that.S~V~S wrote:I don't think I have ever seen a three way tie.
Linki @ Epi, no I'm not, I just stopped being afraid of you.
SPOILERS~ ~ don't read this OT if you want to watch the showElohcin wrote:I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.Turnip Head wrote:I read your post and it pinged the hell out of mezeek wrote:Nobody reads my posts
what do you mean there's no civ team?
I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.
And they refuse to modify, becasue they blend off to the sidelines; people ignore them, basically. You put yourself in peoples faces, it's not comparable.thellama73 wrote:Vomps gets away with always playing the same suspicious way. AP gets away with it. Lizzy gets away with it. People say "oh that's just how they are. It doesn't mean anything." Maybe someday people will realize that this is how I am and it doesn't mean I am bad.S~V~S wrote:And what was that? This is how I actually feel, I think that you get lynched all the time for your flippant attitude and inability to modify your stance. I can't imagine I said that to you in BTS, but I can't imagine that I said anything in total contradiction of it.thellama73 wrote:That's in direct contradiction to what you told me the last time we had BTSC.S~V~S wrote: And Llama, Mata is right. If you do something 20 times, and it gets you lynched 20 times, it's time to modify what you do. It can't be fun for you, since I know how frustrated you get over being lynched early all the time.
Llama always says this stuff, I doubt he has info. He just thinks people who don't play as he sees fit are bad. Don't deny it Llama, it's true. I am sure there is a fallacy that fits.Matahari wrote:This is really sucking. I do not agree that Snowman's actions seem bad. Llama insists Snowman is bad=llama has info, if Snowman is bad. I'm not ready to vote Llama yet, but I may have to in order to give snowman more of a chance. I was suspicious of BWT earlier, so I could vote there too, but I'm not sure what to do yet. Sucks, I tell you!
And what was that? This is how I actually feel, I think that you get lynched all the time for your flippant attitude and inability to modify your stance. I can't imagine I said that to you in BTS, but I can't imagine that I said anything in total contradiction of it.thellama73 wrote:That's in direct contradiction to what you told me the last time we had BTSC.S~V~S wrote: And Llama, Mata is right. If you do something 20 times, and it gets you lynched 20 times, it's time to modify what you do. It can't be fun for you, since I know how frustrated you get over being lynched early all the time.
Not thinking someone sounds bad is NOT the same as trust, it does not mean they sound good. This is twisting, you are doing the pretzel, my friend.thellama73 wrote:Epi, she's trying to collect votes so as to lynch anyone but Snowman, in whom she has placed sudden and unexplained trust.Epignosis wrote:See, this is what drives me bat-shit insane. I'm supposed to vote Snowman now because voting elsewhere won't do much? I will vote where I like, even if that person currently has zero votes.FZ. wrote:Epi, aside from voting me, which obviously won't do much, who among those with votes are you willing to vote for?
I really think you are no good FZ.
)The role description for the Kira Sympathizers calls them a baddie team.Elohcin wrote:I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.Turnip Head wrote:I read your post and it pinged the hell out of mezeek wrote:Nobody reads my posts
I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.
[center]Kira and His Sympathizers (7)[/center]
Unlike typical baddie teams, these roles do not all share BTSC by default. See individual roles for publicly known BTSC information. Kira and His Sympathizers win when Kira has eliminated the Detectives and subsequently starts his utopian New World.[/b][/size]
Linki, don't make jokes about your reasons for lynching people. Like I said, you are ending their game. That is serious to them, just like this is serious to you now that you are under suspicion.thellama73 wrote:It's been posted at least half a dozen times, but since people keep ignoring it, here it is again. THIS is the motivation for my vote, combined with his subsequent vote, and then his refusal to defend himself.
thellama73 wrote:Waiting for a bandwagon to hop onto?Snowman wrote:Thank you Zomberella and SVS. I have no idea if either of you are bad or not, but you boiled down your take on all the players in one post, and I appreciate it. I frankly don't have the time to comb through a couple hundred episodes of "Trice Yells at Everyone" every day. I'll offer my insight and contribute what I can, but I don't see the "discussion" coalescing around anyone in particular.All I see is argument ad nauseum around the D0 poll. [/b]
I'm happy to see so many involved, but how do you find so much to talk about when literally nothing has happened yet? The most earth-shattering event so far is the realization that Russ hasn't posted anything.
When I find a bone, I can be an aggressive chewer. I try to be nice, but it isn't always easy.FZ. wrote:I don't see you as the aggressive type, more like the really nice typeS~V~S wrote:Actually I addressed this earlier. I am not a "baddie hunter", I am a watcher.FZ. wrote:I meant in terms of hunting for baddies. Can you point me to one thing you said that actually resembled something like that? Again, no offence, I'm not trying to insult you.S~V~S wrote:I just reread it, and I think I said quite a lot. Normally I do this in a number of posts, I can do that instead if you like.
Not everyone plays the same game. I am not a case builder. I watch for things that get my attention, and then I build on those things. I don't go around pouncing on trivia (becasue that is what I think "baddie hunting" actually is).
You play your way, i will play mine, and judge me for how well I play MY game, not yours. What games can you think of where I have aggressively baddie hunted? I have barely been a baddie in the last few months, not since Fight Club. Tell me where you saw me aggressively baddie hunting in those games.
I judge you based on how I expect YOU to act, not on how much you are acting like me.
Linki, yeah, I do too, actually. I want to be ahead of the person who thinks I am not contributing
I was just catching up and I was reading your big post and ended up thinking that after that, it didn't give me any clue to what you are thinking in terms of any of the players. Maybe I was wrong. Did you give any thoughts on people you suspect other than me last day? Not even in terms of building a case, but rather who is pinging you at the moment. Sorry if you did and I missed it.
By the way, am I the only one pinged by BWT, his vote for Russ, and his whole behaviour surrounding TH and Russ? Just seems like the easiest suspicion ever. If it's role related, Russ is the last person to talk about it because it's infodumping, and BWT knows it
By the way, am I the only one pinged by BWT, his vote for Russ, and his whole behaviour surrounding TH and Russ? Just seems like the easiest suspicion ever. If it's role related, Russ is the last person to talk about it because it's infodumping, and BWT knows it
And you GOT discussion going, now that it is not going the way you had hoped, you are saying, "Why are you all picking on me".thellama73 wrote:One more time, Rico. I hope this satisfies you.
There is no NEED to do anything. I wanted to do it, for the reasons explained above. Why does it bother you so much? I don't understand the NEED to wait until the last minute to vote if you know who you want to vote for.thellama73 wrote: I have answered that question. I wanted to be dramatic. When you just say something, it gets ignored. When you vote, it gets noticed. I was and am very confident that Snowman is bad, so I saw no reason to wait and every reason to get discussion going.
S~V~S wrote:What would be amazingly bad? Saying something like, "My kill failed last night" or something of that sort. Really, it was just a remark basically saying it would take a lot of convincing for me to vote for boo. And it would. It would have to be one hell of a smoking gun, becasue I have not seen anything that leads me to believe he is bad. I won't say he's GOOD, but I certainly don't suspect him any more than anyone else at this stage.Boomslang wrote:
Finally, there's one other thing that stood out that I don't think has been readdressed:
SVS still hasn't given a good answer to that reasonable sounding but very vague claim, which pings me.Epignosis wrote:S~V~S...in case you missed it:
What would boo have to do that's amazingly bad to get you to vote for him?S~V~S wrote:I am not voting for boo unless he says something really amazingly bad. While we have some philosophical differences re low posting and whether it's better to get rid of low posters from the perspective of PLAYERS v. ROLES, I am seeing his points more so than I am seeing yours or Llamas regarding Snowman.Epignosis wrote:S~V~S, I still feel strongly about a vote for FZ. However, these new boo revelations have me atingle. What say you?
You made a bigger deal out of it, plus your overconfidence makes people nervous.thellama73 wrote:It is snowing a lot.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I get why you voted snowman, you wanted to make a point. Do you feel like people are making it a bigger deal then it really is?thellama73 wrote:That's actually the best point anyone has made all day, lol.Bass_the_Clever wrote: This makes me nervous because we all know your track recored with people you made a case on flipping bad. lol
Did you guys get a ton of snow also?
I just think it is odd my early vote, which I thought was well explained, is getting such scrutiny, and TH's is not.
Actually I addressed this earlier. I am not a "baddie hunter", I am a watcher.FZ. wrote:I meant in terms of hunting for baddies. Can you point me to one thing you said that actually resembled something like that? Again, no offence, I'm not trying to insult you.S~V~S wrote:I just reread it, and I think I said quite a lot. Normally I do this in a number of posts, I can do that instead if you like.
