The Syndicate

That does make sense, it says the dead took him like the living took her.

I know JC, I said a few posts up that i misread, missed a post and was drunk right above you.

timmer wrote:SVS you seem to be awfully attack-y about Kate's death. It seems pretty clear how she died to me? Why attack anyone who seems to not be talking it, like you are? It's weird.

I missed the second post (plus friends were over and I had had a few drinks), and I am like 99% positive she was a civ and it upsets me that she is dead. Not just for RL reasons, like the game is more fun with her in it, but also because she was a major discussion leader, and for the most part we saw things the same way, and she is much more articulate than I.

And I freak at the drop of a hat, you know that. The last thing that whole episode was was weird, it was pretty typical.

And Hi Rabbit

juliets wrote:Wow a lot of things sure do happen here at night in this game.

Illy welcome back, I wasn't here when you left I subbed in for someone whose name started with Ben...And I also hope you are good cause i voted for you.

Kate, Kate, Kate. I had good feelings about you though I can never know for sure or at least until the game ends. :cryingsmilieplease:

Trice, I don't know what to think about your death. RIPIYWG. It almost seemed like Illy's rezz took your life. Dunno though.

Boomslang I don't know whether its good or bad you dodged death

Welcome back accidentally frozen rabbit.

Why do you think Illys rezz took Trices life, but not Kates?

insertnamehere wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:RIPIWG Trice and Kate. Why was Trice chosen, or possibly more important, who chose him?
Are you not interested in why Kate was chosen? Or do you already know?
No, but Trice's was a bit more odd.

Why?

insertnamehere wrote:RIPIWG Trice and Kate. Why was Trice chosen, or possibly more important, who chose him?

Are you not interested in why Kate was chosen? Or do you already know?

Kate

I am gonna vote Illy. And this rezz poll should create days of fun for all.

But even if Zappa were recruited, Droopys win conditions would not change, unless that is part of the (secrets) for Beefheart. So I guess that is possible. But it as also possible he just thinks chaindeath is fun, lol.

Judgment reserved, but still something to keep an eye on.

Flyin' High wrote:
As for who I think should be rezzed, maybe chaindeath as he wasn't giving me and major pings.

Good thing more secrets were revealed, eh, before you voted for that guy?? That would have been very unfortunate

OK, I can be happy with a vote for Devin (who has seemed to have no one pushing his name) or for Illy. Civvies, please don't vote for chaindeath

I am not totally comfortable voting for Faraday, he did not vote, and I am a tad nervous with BWT voting for him~ I am not sure they have ever played together?

So I will vote for whichever of Illy and Devin get the most votes to push them past chaindeath, who is really probably a baddie, based on prior analysis up thread and on new secrets revealed.

I have to agree. I think it very possible that baddies could have accidentally killed their own teammates~ so who killed who is not necessarily indicative of affiliation.

I have no agenda other than lynching baddies. I think you are one. So if you want to call that an agenda, so be it.

For me it is between Illy, Devin & Faraday; both chaindeath and Lorab pinged me, although Lorab did one hell of a lot more. Axxon was fairly quiet.

Illy was contributing a lot, she held up a lot of the early discussion. And both Devin & Faraday left us too soon. i will think about it and decide tonight

Oh, i wasn't confused. i thought you maybe made a slip there. I still kinda think maybe you did

Because what you just described there does not equate with "probably"

Nice to know you are giving FH the benefit of the doubt.

Flyin' High wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Apparently Flyin High talked her way out of it. When her case of Trice fell flat, she turned to CBK.
Um, what? I built a case on CBK long before my case on Trice. Did you really go back and read me like you claimed or are you just so intent on me being bad that you're getting your facts wrong to intentionally to make me look bad?

RIH Grey 1! Bye LT! I definitely felt something was up the second you agreed with me being bad so glad someone took their suspicion of you all the way.

And my case on Trice didn't fall flat, SVS. I was actually listening to you and giving it some thought before I hastily voted that way. But your snarkiness with regards to me is duly noted.

@DH: I don't have the voting order yet because I wasn't around for the last part of the lynch. I can compile it from the thread tomorrow. I'm heading to bed now.

As for who I think should be rezzed, maybe chaindeath as he wasn't giving me and major pings.

It is not snarkiness, i really think you are bad. I think it is bluntness

And I menat to say "fell back on", i know you suspected her before, along with Boomslang and Droopy. I am not getting my facts wrong intentionally~ and your hyperbole is duly noted

S~V~S wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:You have to be kidding me. I went to click 'submit' to vote, and the polling closed at that exact moment.

It doesn't mean much, but I would have gone with CBK/Timmer probably. I didn't feel quite as comfortable with Troofie and Boats as I did with him and FH. But I'm more willing to give FH the benefit of the doubt for now.
Probably? But you were hitting "Submit" to vote.

Why did you say PROBABLY?

I was gonna say this~

Devin the Omniscient

DFaraday
LoRab
axxon n
Illyria
chaindeath

Axxon did not participate. I felt LoRab was a baddie, not sure why, but I just did. I kinda felt like that about chaindeath as well. Illy was very involved, but she just made me nervous~ that could just be me, she often does. But for me that leaves Faraday or Devin, and i guess I might consider illy as well.

I have to reread her to see if, considering subsequesnt events, she seemed as if she were associated with anyone subsequently proven bad.

Linki BWT~ So wht=y did you say PROBABLY???

Linki again~ Illyria, 31 posts, Chaindeath, 15, and she died like a week before him

Illyria posted a ton and was very involved

ebwop, thats why heavy "random" day one voting tends to result in civ lynches. Night One kills are often pretty random~

Linki, yeah trice, inorite?? LOL

@DH I do not think he did

Kate wrote:Why would when they died have anything to do with affiliation? Actually the baddies may have had more of an idea who was civ in their later kills.

Statistically, there are more civs on Day One, IMO. And like i said, i had bad feelings about a few of the others.

YES~!!!!

Bye LT, BIH Grey 1

And i would feel best about Faraday or Devin coming back. They went on Night One which doesn't make them more likely to be civ, but i did not have a good feeling about a few of the others.

Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Did anyone who voted for me apart from INH give a reason, btw?
I voted for you. I did not give a reason.

Would you like one?

Are you channeling Vomp? Was it a personal reason?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:You have to be kidding me. I went to click 'submit' to vote, and the polling closed at that exact moment.

It doesn't mean much, but I would have gone with CBK/Timmer probably. I didn't feel quite as comfortable with Troofie and Boats as I did with him and FH. But I'm more willing to give FH the benefit of the doubt for now.

Probably? But you were hitting "Submit" to vote.

The Truth wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
The Truth wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
You're being rather condescending, that sometimes makes me think people are baddies.
Actually, it is my experience that DH tends to be more condescending when he is a civ. Hes a little friendlier when hes bad, trying to trick people and all.

i was gonna vote FH, but am waiting to see if there is a last minute push for DH
Consider me part of that push... Maybe he's using reverse psychology? Regardless, it seems suspicious to me.

yeah your post was what made me fear the wagon of bands~ and i see you didn't vote after all

Sorry Timmer, i didn't want to vote for you, but i also did not want to let DH be lynched.

The Truth wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
You're being rather condescending, that sometimes makes me think people are baddies.

Actually, it is my experience that DH tends to be more condescending when he is a civ. Hes a little friendlier when hes bad, trying to trick people and all.

i was gonna vote FH, but am waiting to see if there is a last minute push for DH

Apparently Flyin High talked her way out of it. When her case of Trice fell flat, she turned to CBK.

Sorry DH, but neither of our candidates are being lynched. CBK/Tim could be bad, there were times I tilted my head at CBK. I was hoping to give Timmer a chance to play the game and prove himself civ, but i guess that isn't happening.

I still think she was a distraction, though.

linki @ Trice, yeah. i caught that too (about BWT), plus he is considering a vote for someone for being blendy when there is so much suspicion?

I am not sure i believe it though, Trice~

I can wait to vote. I do think FH is bad, but i also think DH may be onto something.

insertnamehere wrote:I see the FH suspicion, but I definitely think that DH is stronger.

*votes DH*

How "No U" of you

DharmaHelper wrote:@Trice if you think FH let slip which civvie role she is, requoting it so all the baddies know what you're talking about might not be the best course of action.

THIS^^

I saw it too, Trice. Not sure i believe it, though.

I just read back a bit, but i have not changed my opinion on Trice~ i think the case is yet another example of blowing "cultural differences" out of proportion. i am not voting for Trice~ i probably would alreadhy have voted for FH, but this one post got my eye:

DharmaHelper wrote:If LT flips civ this game, I will eat everybody's hat.

This really got my eye. I think DH has been trying to get peoples attention the WHOLE GAME. And I have kept saying, I am listening, DH. But maybe it is time to put my money where my mouth is and give him some trust. I think he makes some good points on LT, so maybe i will take a leap of faith

I have to reread a bit more, and specifically reread LT, DH & FH (AGAIN), lol

I read Trice and reread him, and I have a role in mind for him, and I think he might be a civ, I won't be voting for him/. I wish he did not suspect me, but I kinda see why he might.

But regardless of who else may or maynot be bad, I still think FH probably is bad.

So DH, do YOU have an opinion on FH & BWT?

DharmaHelper wrote:
S~V~S wrote:*Sigh*

Because she is on a Venn diagram somewhere and has not been subject to a bandwagon, i would guess.

DH, I so want to believe you at times, but you make it so hard </3

Linki~ civvies can vote in clusters as well.
2. LT's response to my vote analysis was blown up and over the top, classic baddie LT.
3. LT's ignored me going after her all day today. Didn't even comment on me saying I'd vote for her unless someone confessed. Civvie LT would not have let that go.

FWIW, I feel like I am the only person trying to work with you. Try to throttle back on the angry, ok?

So you no longer suspect INH or Rabbit?

See, the problem is your clusters always have people i think are civvies in them.

So, yeah.

*Sigh*

Because she is on a Venn diagram somewhere and has not been subject to a bandwagon, i would guess.

DH, I so want to believe you at times, but you make it so hard </3

Linki~ civvies can vote in clusters as well.

MP Said he won it in the posting contest. It's like 5 posts up ^^

Ha ha, in my experience objects from a bag can be lethal. I have had people with similar roles give me bombs. You never know

I would like to ask a favor. There is a picture in the Six Feet Under game submission of a lime green hearse right at the top of the page. Kate says she cannot see it, but i can, in all formats. Can you guys look at it and let us know if you see it (post it in the thread, not this one, lol)

viewtopic.php?f=7&p=3714#p3714

Thank You O Wooly One

Maybe it is strange. Maybe he is lying about prizes, maybe he is hoarding prizes in a closet. That does not change the fact though that he somehow won a book and revealed a baddie secret, and she did not

So it is an interesting sidelight, and I hope he comes in and clears it up. But it does not make me less suspicious of FH.

reywaS wrote:You don't think it's strange that bwt said he won a prize in the poker tourney for finishing 3rd when I finished 2nd and didn't win anything?

Maybe, but the point was that he won a prize. Maybe he misunderstood where he won it, or misstated. But Kate says he won a prize, and so does FH. He won one. The issue I thought was what was done with the prize. BWT won a prize and revealed a baddie secret.

As opposed to FH who revealed a civvie secret.

This appears to just be a distraction to me. He won a prize, obviously. I am sure the source will be determined at some point.

@MP~ Mr Sox, will you tell us how BWT won a prize?

reywaS wrote:are you talking to me?

i was. You made a stement about what someone said without quoting it, so I asked to see it, but then found it myself

birdwithteeth11 wrote:@FH: Nope. I won it from the poker tournament. I ended up finishing 3rd, so I was assuming the rest of the top 2 won another book. I guess I was wrong.

And yeah, if you had both green and purple, what was your reasoning for choosing green over purple? I at least figured the red book had something to do with the indy roles, so I'm sure you could have figured it out based on the book colors.

NVM, here it is

Still, I don;t think the source of the prize is all that big of a deal. Actually, implying it did kinda makes FH look more guilty to me.

Can you quote that, I haven't found it yet?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Day 3: The Ultimate Event - Results

Rank Player # of Posts # of Words # of Theories Total Score

1 Flyin' High 16 1575 3 1713

2 Kate 41 1225 1 1378

3 birdwithteeth11 10 1292 1 1352

4 Mr. Droopy Cash 19 1224 1 1311

5 S~V~S 18 1155 3 1299

6 reywaS 16 610 3 748

7 triceratopzeuhl 18 609 1 693

8 DharmaHelper 23 595 0 664

9 Epignosis 11 468 3 591

10 chaindeath 4 469 1 511

11 Benthayer15/juliets 2 422 1 458

12 AceofSpaces 7 403 1 454

13 rabbit8 15 378 1 453

14 Captain Bunny Killer 4 365 0 377

15 DisgruntledPorcupine 17 237 1 318

16 LittleTiger 6 289 0 307

17 insertnamehere 11 190 1 253

18 BoatsBoatsBoats 6 152 1 200

19 Jokreher 1 158 0 161

20 Vompatti 10 111 0 141

21 Boomslang 6 121 0 139

22 The Truth 7 116 0 137

23 Roxy 0 0 0 0
Total Score = (# of Posts x 3) + (# of Words x 1) + (# of Theories x 30)

Theories must be original (theories copied from another player do not count) and must meet the host's subjective judgment of what a theory constitutes. When grading, be sure to note the difference between suspicion and theory.
Clearly off-topic posts/content are not eligible.

Flyin' High wins first place!
Kate wins second place!
birdwithteeth11 wins third place![/color]

Yeah that would be my guess too.

Yay for trying to make something out of nothing

Flyin' High wrote:@Kate: Again, if you knew I had a book, or guessed (which makes sense, not arguing that) why do you not find it strange that BWT didn't win his book from the same contest as you and me? I'm not sure what it means, personally, I just find it odd.

Correct me if i am wrong, but this reads like a textbook example of a classic distraction. There is more than one way to win a prize

I am not sure what i think of this. FH sounds very plausible, but then she always does. And i know her to be competent and really, really smart. I don;t know that I buy all this "Whoopsy, silly me, i forgot

"

I just did a skim, I have to reread more deeply, and then do the reread i said I planned to do.

timmer wrote:Wow, shockingly my family all went to bed early and I found the time to read through the entire game (skimming some of the more repetitive "YOUR wrong, well YURE WRONGR" stuff).

First, the Droopy and Vomp lynches suck but I can see how they happened. Neither player felt very civvie as I read through. (No offense, guys)

Second, I feel like DH is desperate to get rabbit lynched, and the instant I saw him start to break out the calculus and shit, I thought "let me guess, this will end with rabbit being incriminated as being bad". And sure enough, there's rabbit in a circle. I don't particularly feel that DH is bad or anything, and I know he's got history with the bunny, but his constant digging at rabbit while constantly voting inh is odd, somehow.

But, I'll say that in one of DH's circles is the player who sticks out the most to me upon reread: boats. It feels like he is just posting enough to get by and seem like he's participating.

And finally, before I crash for the night, I'll say I notice that my predecessor's voting for rabbit has earned a few eyes. I can't speak for whatever her thoughts were on the game, especially since she didn't apparently post that much, but I personally wouldn't have voted for rabbit in that lynch. He seems like civ-rabbit to me. bad Rabbit gets way more cocky and overconfident. And besides, his poor Texans lost to my Patriots so we should cut him some slack anyway, I'm sure he's still upset.

I have to say that the person who most sticks out to me in the circles is Flyin High. TBH. Her error in the Day two poll of moving a voter (a low posting voter, only 17 today, most everyone after him, although not all, is dead, replaced or NP) square into the most suspicious position, followed a few days later by getting pretty defensive about being wishy washy (which i tend to view as bad FH)....well, I look forward to hearing what she has to say today. I plan to reread her tonight after work.

Boats has not said or done anything to get my eye, and I am kinda surprised to see him being called out. He has more posts than Aces; what is your opinion of him? Is he also blendy? With a history of lynching new-to-Mafia civs in this game, I would need more than "blendy" to lynch yet another new player. Is "blendy" the whole reason he sticks out to you?

DharmaHelper wrote:From that, I guess this is the most interesting bit:

7 minutes between FH and BWT
2 minutes between FH and Rabbit

Even though all 6 votes are less than 2 hours apart, FH votes within minutes of both Rabbit and BWT (on two separate occasions, I'll grant you.)

So the link is there I guess. Again, I'm not anticipating much to come out of this but I'll keep at it anyway.

i have not forgotten that i owe you a hat-eating from Spongebob.

Yeah, but based on thread context, I think one or two of those are civs.

So

I don't know if you used this data, too, there was a mistake here as well on Day Two~ this lynch may have been more telling than the last two as to dispersal, especially Day three when the two big vote getters both flipped civ, it did not really matter where the baddies voted that day.

Boomslang wrote:Boomslang agrees that the third person, when done consistently, can be an interesting character trait. However, if Vomp's vote was forced, then Rabbit may be civ, so I'm getting on the bea bandwagon.

Flyin' High wrote:RIPIYWG axxon and Illy!

I didn't really have much of a read yet on either of you.

So here's a breakdown of the voting order with the tally of votes accrued:
1. axxon (LoRab) 1
2. Epignosis (The Truth) 1
3. triceratops (SVS) 1
4. The Truth (SVS) 2
5. Vompatti (rabbit) 1
6. DH (rabbit) 2
7. jokreher (bea) 1
8. Aces (rabbit) 3
9. Kate (bea) 2
10. LT (bea) 3
11. SVS (bea) 4
12. LoRab (triceratops) 1
13. Illyria (chaindeath) 1
14. chaindeath (rabbit) 4
15. Mr. Droopy (rabbit) 5
16. insertnamehere (bea) 5
17. Flyin' High (bea) 6
18. DisgruntledPorcupine (bea) 7
19. Captain Bunny Killer (rabbit) 6
20. rabbit (bea) 8
21.Boomslang (rabbit) 7
Didn't vote: bea, Benthayer, birdwithteeth, boatsboatsboats, reywaS, and Roxy

Since bea was a baddie, there's a chance her teammates may have tried to save her by adding votes onto rabbit in yesterday's lynch. Based on timing, I plan to take a closer look at Captain Bunny Killer and Boomslang. Also chaindeath and Mr. Droopy.

Rank	Player	# of Posts	# of Words	# of Theories	Total Score
1	Flyin' High	16	1575	3	1713
2	Kate	41	1225	1	1378
3	birdwithteeth11	10	1292	1	1352
4	Mr. Droopy Cash	19	1224	1	1311
5	S~V~S	18	1155	3	1299
6	reywaS	16	610	3	748
7	triceratopzeuhl	18	609	1	693
8	DharmaHelper	23	595	0	664
9	Epignosis	11	468	3	591
10	chaindeath	4	469	1	511
11	Benthayer15/juliets	2	422	1	458
12	AceofSpaces	7	403	1	454
13	rabbit8	15	378	1	453
14	Captain Bunny Killer	4	365	0	377
15	DisgruntledPorcupine	17	237	1	318
16	LittleTiger	6	289	0	307
17	insertnamehere	11	190	1	253
18	BoatsBoatsBoats	6	152	1	200
19	Jokreher	1	158	0	161
20	Vompatti	10	111	0	141
21	Boomslang	6	121	0	139
22	The Truth	7	116	0	137
23	Roxy	0	0	0	0

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