The Syndicate

He posts alot of OT, but not always when he votes. If you are thinking he might be silenced, it is possible. Did he post at all since the night post?

No but he often doesn't.

[ok]OK, but I felt that since you still seem upset about it, that I should stop pretending it is not happening. But consider it dropped

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and very aggressive gameplay doesn't make you a sociopath doofball. It makes you competitive. Have you ever played at Mafiascum, holy shit they would make YOU cry. I am sorry if you thought that was what I was saying, it is not.

if you want to take this to PM, i am sure the hosts would be OK with it

I like hot spicy myself

Canucklehead wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I meant it when I said I'm done playing. I'm not going to do anything apart from cast my vote. Whenever I get around to doing even that.
I'm confused by this. Why are you "done playing"?

I think I hurt his feelings.

I believe we have a difference of opinion about how a past game was played. When he started accusing me of being bad, and using my reaction & calling it combative, I referenced Gotham, a game on RM. At that point he started saying he hated Mafia & was quitting, and over the next few days made some more remarks like, "Make my next to the last game a good one" etc. But I am fairly sure I am the meanie here.

He seems to think my recollection of that game and his are different. Could be. But in any case, he & Rey seemed to think my reaction to accusation (which was a total freak out meltdown) meant I was bad, and in fact I was a civ. My point was not to denigrate DH, but to say that his read of me is in error, and has been so historically in another game, Gotham.

I am sorry if I have singlehandedly driven him from Mafia by recalling what happened in a game differently than he does (and as far as I am concerned, i am misrepresenting nothing, I recall what I recall). But when he starts flinging that old "sher's defensive/comabtive" etc. when she's bad, it's bullshit and when I see bullshit I call it bullshit.

I do respect his gut, and he has been 100% correct on me in past games. But he is not in this one.

Roxy wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I think I might vote SVS.
Why?
If ya read DH's posts you would def know why

lol

Predictable nub baddies are predictable, I see.

I am at a Labor Solidarity fest (lots of Billy Brag, multi Guthries and various versions of the Internationale). I will be home for the rest of the weekend later tonight.

I voted for 3, I forgot to vote this morning.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:JJJ awakens, one cheek pressed against the carpet, a pool of drool seeping into the fabric. He struggles to sit up and attempts to survey his surroundings. Everything is still blurry, and he has a pounding headache. He notes a small shard of glass nearby and another next to it -- he follows the trail to a broken bottle with what must be his own blood encrusted on the jagged edge.

WTF?

S~V~S wrote:I am SO expecting shenanigans after the drama/nobility of that last Wilgy post. And i swear on a stack of esoteric texts that I bring no shenanigans myself
What about DrWilgy's post made you suspect shenanigans would be afoot?

As I was reading it, I could hear someone whistling the Lassie theme music or perhaps a faint string quartet and distant thunder. This was the swan song of a Wilgy who did not actually expect to be dead IMO. I am shocked beyond shit though that whoever switched it switched it to DH.

I would NOT expect that of Wilgy. I was like 99.9% sure that if Wilgy brought the shenanigans, he would have brought them to me. So the fact that it was DH leads me to think while Wilgy may have had manipulations, I doubt he switched the lynch.

DharmaHelper wrote:I'll take, oddly flimsy reasons to suspect someone Day 6 for 200 Alex.

your favorite category

I am SO expecting shenanigans after the drama/nobility of that last Wilgy post. And i swear on a stack of esoteric texts that I bring no shenanigans myself

For gut inflammations of every kind

You should vote for DH becasue he called someone a *dingus*

He also played Gotham.

Well, I am, but OK lol.

I thought all the anti-Wilgy came up after he spent days defending Bubbles. Wow.

What?

And you were very awesome, but you still misread me as a civ in Gotham. I was mainly using that to keep Timmer from thinking you were bad if I turn up not bad, though.

I still think maybe you need some Pepto in this game.

timmer wrote:Oh, no no, you misunderstand me, I think. I have no idea if DH is to be trusted about you at ALL. But he's obviously being insistent and blundered about it. I see it two ways.

1. A civ DH would not do this to you unless he knew you were bad.
2. A baddie DH would do this to you for just about any reason he felt like.

I can't see one option being more likely, but at least your status would suggest likelihood in regards to him.

But he has done it to me as a civ. That was why I mentioned Gotham. I just wanted to make sure you were not implying that you thought he had info. Becasue he can't, but even if it were possible, DH would not do the whole "wink wink nudge nudge" info thing. This is a gut read, which i respect, since this is how I play as well. Although I think he maybe needs some maalox, his gut is off .

Ebwop, I mean, are you so concerned about DHs status that you would lynch someone just to *maybe* find out something about him?

Isn't that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

I meant why do you think DH is worth listening to. (And DH, this is not a dig; quite the opposite, actually). And you played Gotham; DH & I went hard at each other and both were civs. If I turn up not bad, how will that help you figure out DH?

Linki @ Synonym, again, out of context. If you go read them in context, not just in iso, they are part of a conversation. My part of the conversation. If you take Goldens posts from the same conversation, he is mostly talking about himself, too.

Like this one, Synonym, that you quoted in your first post:

S~V~S wrote:So after days of saying I was sincere, now I am being intentionally false?

I probably would have bought the frame theory if you had not made that one post after Epi died. I believed then, and still believe now, with all my heart, that a baddie made that post.

Linki, I will cross that bridge when I come to it. But I don't think I will ever come to it. I doubt you will be lynched, you talked your way out of it. Then tomorrow I will be NKed probably, and it will be another attempt to frame poor Golden. And if you are lynched, I dont think you will come up good.

I was replying to these two posts:

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:He is trying to imply persecution of him when, hello, its a Mafia game. Discussion of and defending against suspicions is how the game is played.
And I will say this is the thing you've said which I find most difficult to see eye to eye with you on.

When I defend against cases made against me that I do not think stack up, and I defend against them day after day (literally a week at this point?) but those who allege those things choose to ignore every word I say and stand stubbornly against me, apparently I am 'implying persecution'.

I think there has been PLENTY of discussion of and defending against suspicions against me. That is me playing mafia, right?

But I also think there has been plenty of discussion AT me, continually, post after post, the number of times you have posted just to say the same thing again and again - that you have no interest in doing anything other than voting for me without any further thought - it actually does surprise me.

SVS, I want to know what your reaction will be in this game, in the event you get me lynched. I am not going to flip bad. When I do not flip bad, what will your reaction be?

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Now Golden's saying any argument that arrives at a conclusion that he could be bad is illogical and fallacious. [/u][/b]
I have never said or implied that. In fact, I have acknowledged that some of them are not.

I think yours is fallacious, because I have provided you with a whole lot to go on here but you have closed your mind to even listening to it.
I think reys is... whats the word when you take advantage of a situation that arises? I can't think of it right now. My brain says fortuitous, but thats wrong.
I think DH's is playing intentionally aloof, and that its insincere. Its hard to call it illogical or fallacious because it isn't based on a case against me, he just seems to be 'scared of me'.
I think epi's was deliberately obtuse.

BUT: I think boomslang, Dom, Lorab, and timmer have all expressed suspicion of me that I think is entirely genuine (despite the fact I think boomslang might be bad). I think BWT's suspicion on me was genuine. I don't think any of these people have demonstrated that their view of me is illogical or fallacious. I'm not a fan of Lorab saying that I'm a distraction and anti-civ despite being neutral, but I understand it.

Btw, as you might have noticed from being the super-expert on my civilian game - often the place where my spidey sense is the MOST well attuned is in figuring out whether those who go after me are being genuine or not.

IIRC, all of those posts you pulled I was replying to someone else who was questioning me. That's why I was talking about myself.

You appeared to have read somewhat out of context. Context ftw

You aren't including any of the posts I am replying to.

Synonym wrote:
S~V~S wrote:@ Synonym~ No not really. I am an observer. I watch for things that get my interest, and once something has, I can be fairly dogged about pursuing them. But I don't view myself as an antagonist, no.

@Wilgy, some hosts post small taretings like silencing, i don;t thise LC & BR do, though.
Thank you. I've been reading you this game and the majority of posts I've seen have been defensive on your behalf.

Not necessarily defending against suspicion but the majority of them have been referring to yourself, either to explain actions or to clarify why others are targeting you.

I don't know you well enough as a player to get a meta read from that, but from past experience posting styles like that are usually guilty.

I get defensive when i am needing to defend myself but that has not been the case most of this game.

Can you give me some examples of what you mean, especially since you seem to be charcterizing my whole game like this? i have really only needed to defend much since DH & Wilgy decided I killed Unfurl. I felt the need to explain my thoughts on Golden, but, for me, this has been a pretty non defensive game. In the past I have let people who know how to push my buttons push them, and I am trying to avoid that.

Am I think only person you have gotten a similar read like that on? Or just me?

yikes,

@Wilgy, some hosts post small targetings like silencing, i dont think LC & BR do, though.

fixed

@ Synonym~ No not really. I am an observer. I watch for things that get my interest, and once something has, I can be fairly dogged about pursuing them. But I don't view myself as an antagonist, no.

@Wilgy, some hosts post small taretings like silencing, i don;t thise LC & BR do, though.

DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wilgy, if you could do me a favor (I have asked other people in other games to do this as well, I am not picking on you or anything) I would appreciate it if you could stop changing your avatar so much. When I am looking for someones posts, that is how I identify whose posts i am looking for skimming down the thread. If people keep changing their avatar, it makes things harder for me to follow as I am a pretty visual person. Thank You for understanding
*bows* I will refrain from changing my avatar for the remainder of the game

Thank You

Ah now I see that JJJ has voted for me. Looking forward to hearing why.

Wilgy, if you could do me a favor (I have asked other people in other games to do this as well, I am not picking on you or anything) I would appreciate it if you could stop changing your avatar so much. When I am looking for someones posts, that is how I identify whose posts i am looking for skimming down the thread. If people keep changing their avatar, it makes things harder for me to follow as I am a pretty visual person. Thank You for understanding

lol nub :P

Barking up the wrong tree, Hoss.

Also @ Wilgy, I did not kill Unfurl, and I would not have killed Unfurl. She raises the level of every thread she is in, and God knows we need that sometimes. Even if I were bad, which I am not, i would have hoped to recruit her rather than kill her.

Linki, I am not misrepresenting you, DH. This was a good point really, and if it makes you happy I will change it from "DH" to "those who suspect me" and insisting to "possibly". I still think it's a good point and it stands.

@Ricochet Hopefully this does not get lost~ my expectation of the Exec trying to kill me is based on DH insisting that I am Uzburger, and last night was a night the Exec could kill a Warrior. So I thought the Exec might try to prove the point in that fashion. It is probably what I would have done had I been the Exec.

Scotty wrote:
Synonym wrote:I'm reading and voting, just haven't been participating much in the thread. To be honest I still don't really understand this game but I'm trying to keep up.

I've been voting for the various Positions and lynches.
Yo dawg, I know you from JTM and I know you're capable of being super helpful as a civ. But even in a massive game like this one, you gotta have some sort of opinion.
I've been reading too. Just finished the One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish saga. Took me a few days. And I can say that on page 17 the narrator says that he wishes he had 11 fingers, and that's bullshit. Who wants 11 fingers? That's just my opinion.

So you've voted SVS, so you obviously have some sort of opinion by now, however small.

Yeah, this.

I see Bullz posted some opinions, I have to read those over more carefully. I will also read the other cases on people getting votes. If I have to switch my vote to protect myself I will, but would rather it be to someone I feel less positive about, and hopefully don't have to worry about that at all.

And I am glad I am not the only one who thought JJJs sudden case of the *mehs* and a major posting style change a bit odd.

But you haven't been too busy to participate. You have lots of posts. That was my point. You post alot, you are participating.

Exactly; absolutely nothing.

It is Day Six, you don't have one opinion other than that I am picking on you. With like 10x the posts of DP. I seem to recall DP having an opinion.

Sorry if you feel persecuted, but not ONE opinion?

Well, I see how I can see that, so I am OK with it

Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Who do you suspect? Why? Anyone?

*channels JJJ*
Give me an hour or so (assuming I don't just fall asleep while typing, which is a great danger even right now but I'm sure my considerate neighbours will wake me up with their very appropriate and polite 1,2,3 & 4am yelling and laughing. I am currently running through the people I'm sure I don't suspect, basically making a rainbow list in my head. If I can't think of a reason not to suspect someone they're going on my list of people to look at, which I will begin tomorrow. I shall post this when it is ready.

You don't suspect anyone? Not even one person?

I am going to vote you for now. That could change. But being unable to come up with one name on Day 6, while you have been participating, stretched credulity for me.

*Votes Bullzeye

Who do you suspect? Why? Anyone?

*channels JJJ*

Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Good point, Guess you didn't get the chance to kill me last night.
What surprises me is that the Exec did not try to kill ME last night. I was kind of hoping he would since it was his Warrior night and it would have proved a point when the kill failed, or at least made a point in my favor since I think nothing can be proven completely this game.

And hopefully you will be protected tomorrow night, so the team trying to frame me will not be able to kill you

Linki, I don't think it was a load of bullshit
I feel like you made a huge deal over what was barely even a thought. You even made a dig at me more recently for the fact that I at one point thought about suspecting her.

I did not make a "huge deal" over it, at the time I made two posts, and a vote. Since then, watching you, you have posted quite a bit, but said quite a little.

You are not the most aggressive player, but you have good insights and observations. I am not seeing that here at all. Quite the opposite,

DharmaHelper wrote:
Good point, Guess you didn't get the chance to kill me last night.

What surprises me is that the Exec did not try to kill ME last night. I was kind of hoping he would since it was his Warrior night and it would have proved a point when the kill failed, or at least made a point in my favor since I think nothing can be proven completely this game.

And hopefully you will be protected tomorrow night, so the team trying to frame me will not be able to kill you

Linki, I don't think it was a load of bullshit

Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Quick question; Bullz is the 12th highest living poster, with 108 posts. Can anyone remember, off the top of their heads, without reading back, a strong point he has made or position he has taken, right or wrong?
Just make your point, so I can point out how you know full well I'm not the type of player who comes out big with the strong accusations all that often.

This is my point; it is day 6, you have over 100 posts and I bet no one can come up with any opinion you have held. That is the definition of "blendy".

Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace all ye deadies. Bloody night.

Caelia's message could be one of those "Some of these are true and some are false" sorta deals.

It doesn't say she gets info. Its her opinion because I know that at least one name in there is not bad. At least we now know DH isn't Caelia since he would have only put my name in there

And Bullz, no not lots of strong opinions. But not even one?
In a game that coincides with the deadline of the biggest and most important piece of work I've ever done? My activity quickly slowed down because I was working hard. I do feel like I made a decent contribution to the Bass discussion, and if day three hadn't locked the thread while I was catching up I'd have been more involved then but since around that time I've had to focus on more important things. Busy = not enough time to read in much depth, especially with lynches ending at 4/5am so I sleep through hours of important discussion. As it happens, I've got today completely free and intend to do some reading here. But I'm still not seeing your point.

Also you mention my post count and positioning overall, but what's so special about it? Seven posts below TH's post count and 8 above both Bea and LA. Why are they not scrutinised in the same manner?

Because I can remember things that they have said. I can't remember much of anything you've said without reading, and I have been watching you, lol. You know you caught my eye day one, and I would have pursued it further sooner, but I got distracted by Golden via Epis death

DharmaHelper wrote:If SVS were good, I would be dead right now. Her team didn't NK me because it would have led right back to her.

If I am wrong then you can go ahead and lynch me right after.

You seem to be saying I am on Team Uzburger. Azura killed last night. Make up your mind.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace all ye deadies. Bloody night.

Caelia's message could be one of those "Some of these are true and some are false" sorta deals.

It doesn't say she gets info. Its her opinion because I know that at least one name in there is not bad. At least we now know DH isn't Caelia since he would have only put my name in there

And Bullz, no not lots of strong opinions. But not even one?

Quick question; Bullz is the 12th highest living poster, with 108 posts. Can anyone remember, off the top of their heads, without reading back, a strong point he has made or position he has taken, right or wrong?

Black Rock wrote:
Official Announcement

It's time to find out where some roles allegiances lie. There will be one winner with the choice to share or keep this information. One role from each team will be revealed to the winner. It's a huge advantage. Choose one team leader and write a back story for this leader. We will have a third party judge the winner anonymously.

Oh, you have until the end of the night, so get cracking.

It says role not player. Plus the end of the night means the judge still has to read them. Its speculation because I know at least part of it is not true.

Bullzeye wrote:Completed my dissertation today. Awaiting feedback from my supervisor so I'll probably not submit til Friday morning but my Masters is essentially finished now With that in mind, I'm gonna go catch up.

Congratulations

Since the next position was team seemer, I assumed they had to use it on themselves, but when you assume ... etc.

@Hosties~ Can Windscout in Position 4 make anyone look like another role, or just themself?

And 5 seems the best bet.

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