The Syndicate

I was thinking of Wilgy from Recruitment, my benchmark for good Wilgy. In light of the last few pages of thread, I am also not sure why he voted for Eloh.

Also did not love Sprits voting cause I'm voting vote.

I was thinking more in term of his suspicions and original unprovoked thoughts than his responses. I have a high tolerance for people making pissy responses since I can be Queen Piss of Pissy Mountain myself. I am not, and never have been, one to judge people for that kind of thing.

Linki, ha ha, and I am going to vote for Wilgy. I think HE has been acting off, and I think if he were a civ he would have actled LESS disinterested, not more.

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Of the people with votes, I think Scotty DOES have a baddie game. I am not sure I am seeing it here.
Can you elaborate?

It is hard to explain; he just *feels* jabbier to me when he's bad, not unlike how I view LC when he's bad; he makes little one liner pokes at people for reasons I don't fathom. Which isn't to say *I* have to fathom everyone elses thoughts. But in LOST Again I read Scottys posts with my forehead scrinched up and one eyebrow almost in my hairline. In LOST Again, I could pretty much pull him out of a hat after a few posts. I am not seeing it as much here. He danced around it a bit more, IMO. Here he is pretty much sticking to his guns. He looks totally different to me than he looked in that game, and more like he does in the games I have seen him mislynched.

BUT God knows I could be wrong, though; see the last 2 lynches. My civ game always goes off the rails when I have to defend before I get a chance to settle in to the thread.

@Bea, yeah I kinda agree. But even if Llama were to allow votes for Matt (and in the past he has not cut replacements slack iirc) I would feel better letting him settle in. Replacing into a role taking suspish is not easy.

Which reminds me, I don't know about anyone else, but I thought Suspish-Gate in GOC was hilarious.

Of the people with votes, I think Scotty DOES have a baddie game. I am not sure I am seeing it here. I don't think Eloh is bad either. A reread of her knowing what we know now did me a world of good there. I recommend it, Zebra & Wilgy.

Wilgy on the other hand is giving me heeebies, maybe even jeebies. I should be finished catching up and able to vote over my AM coffee at work.

My Sicilian Grandma taught me to put a raw potato into my tomato sauce to cut the acid without using sugar. It works!

I have to catch up, my heart was not in Mafia today, and I don't wish to make an uninformed vote.

Elohcin wrote:
Scotty wrote:Had a long day yesterday. Catching up now.

Glad Mafia is being merciful and killing off low-posters. More content = more power
C'mon SVS...is it you? I think you're playing with our heads haha.

OR, is someone trying to frame SVS. *ponder, ponder*

Scotty, this post makes me wonder about you. "More content = more power". I think it would be like you to do this kind of kill and then make a statement about it like that.

I am quite busy atm but when I get a chance, I am going to reread you.

No it isn't me. I did that in one game, and now every time it happens it was me?

Back in the day, well before your time, killing low posters was kind of the norm for us pre Syndicate.

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also regarding CFDs, disagree with my hunting if you wish, but I had e best interests of town at heart and I think that was evident. I also could not have accomplished the switch to indi if no one followed me. And let's not forget that I did it because I found the main candidates (Elo, me, Sloonei) unsatisfactory. Because they were.
CFD is stupid. It rarely works. Just like rainbow lists are bullshit. I'm sorry, but a lot of the stuff brought over from RYM just sucks. Y'all keep on with it if it makes you happy, but not this cowboy.

Yeah not a fan of either of those. Or RVS. But to each his own. So long as we don't start lynchingpeople over refusing to list, I won't lynch them for wanting to list. Que Sera Sera right?

I want to lynch Sloonei tbh. I should have stuck to my guns yesterday, but damn I can be swayed by eloquence.

And yeah sometimes no u is a bad tell, but sometimes it is legit. To me its just jargon, and I tend to distrust jargon flinging.

Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Okay. Elohcin was fucking saved. You've got everyone who voted for indiglo out of nowhere for no reason, you've got MP who switched his vote from indiglo to Epi while still advocating that indiglo would be a better lynch than Eloh when keeping his vote on indiglo would have put indiglo at the lead at the time, (waffly, just a little bit waffly that is...just a tiny bit) you've got Scotty's vote for MP with reasons he couldn't seem to decide, and my personal favorite of them all, you've got Long Con going from his Elohcin vote to saying that he won't accept an Elohcin lynch and then switching to Scotty, effectively sealing indiglo's lynch. So the Elohcin lynch doesn't happen in favor of - surprise - a mislynch. A mislynch of a player that wasn't even talked about as suspicious before very near the end of the day and didn't arrive until it was practically too late to defend against the "thin air" (as she accurately put it) that her mislynch was. I especially loved it when MP asked for indiglo to give him content - when she was already trying to catch up and respond to his non-case - less than ten minutes before the day ended. I think indiglo hit the nail on the head right here:

indiglo wrote: I don't have time to respond to it all MP. Well played. I almost didn't make it on here this morning, but I had a few minutes so I came on. You have twisted and misinterpreted every single post of mine you've quoted.

I am now thinking he may be FL - who survives his first death. That's why he said "kill me instead of sloon." Then he opportunistically jumped on me instead, because why waste your first survival this early?
Get your shit together, town. And way to completely annihilate my town read of you MP. This was the last nail in your-chances-of-being-town's coffin:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?
Here you're expecting her to catch up, respond to your defense, deliver content, and leave behind a legacy post (I'm guessing a rainbow list) in less than three fucking minutes. Are you shitting me? Scotty answered this better than I could.

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?
Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.
"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.
Eloh would have resulted in a mislynch too.

Yeah, looking at how the posting went down, I have to agree here. I made an assumption, and it was a very, very wrong assumption. I think your assumption is the correct one.

Wow we're sheep.

I think you are making a lot of sense, MP. I am willing to give Sloonei the BOTD, but I feel better about Epi than you do. I can go for an Indi vote, though. One of the things that made Elohs read into Epis post seem more sinister to me was the way Indi followed it right up.

So I can switch to Indi.

I went with Sloonei~ I thought his remark re thinking anyone with an opinion on FL's power was suspicious, but then thinking one of the people who said it was more suspicious than the other was fence riding. Not particularly seeing anything that has caught my eye more than that did. Although the way ELoh jumped at conclusion drawing from Epis post also got my eye.

indiglo wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Also, Epignosis is as bad as I was when my mom firat found porn on my internet search history
Is he? Then why the vote for MP? MP is one of my strong town reads.
What posts of MP have strongly read town to you so far?

Thats a pretty good question, actually.

I could go either way on Eloh, I felt pretty good about her, then she read waaaaaay into what Epi said, with that little canned commentary. With Indi chiming in right after. BUT tons of civ BTS in this game, so not sure this means much other than Eloh finds me hard to trust.

And wanting to make a tie on day one is not a baddie thing re MP. As the host of the legendary 4 or 5 way tie, I say this.

DrWilgy wrote:Also, Epignosis is as bad as I was when my mom firat found porn on my internet search history

There is nothing wrong with teenagers looking at porn. And Epi is actually a fairly strong town read for me.

indiglo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Upon seeing the kill, I was transported back to another llamagame, Frisky Dingo, in which the Mafia consciously took out people who were not participating or were not participating much.

The mafia team there consisted of Cookie, S~V~S, Russtifinko, Movingpictures07, and ika.

Only two of those are present here. You'd have to ask yourself if either of them would employ the same rationale for kills as before.
Interesting. My brain (without knowing this already) immediately went to: SVS and/or MoPi.

1) I got a slight ping off SVS for her less than OTT reaction to Zebra's poking. I would have expected civ SVS to react even more strongly.

2) I got a slight ping off MP for his rushed, un-informed vote Day 1.

A) I could also see this NK being SVS because it is the gentlewomanly thing to do, and she likes for players to play a game.

B) I could also see it being a MoPi move because you could have done it quickly without thinking if you were in a rush.

My only other thought was perhaps Boris is MIA and therefore didn't send in his kill, and BWT got modkilt. Would Llama do that so quickly though? Or would he give a player more time to check in first? (BWT never even got his role yet, so far as we can tell, right?)

You think I did not overreact strongly enough? LOL damned if I do damned if I don't. Maybe I am just jaded and wasted my OTT with her in Arkham. She and I are never going to understand each other. After losing my shit one time too many recently, I am over it, and over trying. Everyone else seems to be able to just shrug & walk away from this type of thing, why not me? Why bother trying? With some people no matter what I say they will never get it, and moreover, I don;'t think they even try at times. Recently whenever I am a civ people go after me for some ludicrous stupid thing they should know I would never do when I was bad. This looks like more of the same, tbh.

And in a recent game I spent the whole game happily NKing low posters, and Epi made note of it. That would not be a smart move on my part, and I have a reputation for being a good baddie becasue I am good at it. I avoid stupid shit when I am bad, or at least I try to.

Maybe MP is bad, maybe Sloonei is. I am not. But I am tired of having to defend myself every single freaking game when I am a civ so I never have any fun anymore.

Linki, I got that. I am just saying your initial reaction to me YESTERDAY was the correct one. Go back and look to see why you felt that way.

Elohcin wrote:Wow, that's a lot to think about Epi. I especially like your defense in the end. So do you think SVS or MP could be bad based on your thoughts as to why BWT was killed and the fact that they were both on a past team who killed non-participants?

I am not. Your initial thought process was the right one

Oh wait, Scrroching also includes no vote?

I am not seeing a silencing mechanic. The vote with no post seems weird. Wilgy has not posted since before the night post.

Wilgy voted without posting. Is it possible someone was Scrooched so early?

Sig, I am sorry. I saw a vote that looked to be saving you, and not in an open civ kind of way. Which is my misreading of the situation.

Since sig flipped civ, my suspicions of Sloonei are pointless. Reading toomuch into if for the lose. Again, sorry sig.

Sloonei wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I feel pretty good about Epi, and fairly neutral about sig.

Sloonei wrote:I do not see conclusive evidence that Fearless Leader knows or does not know who his teammates are, so to make a point about it either way strikes me as suspicious.
But since you voted for Epi, you feel it is LESS suspicious when sig mentions it, even though he brought it up first?

I am moving my vote to sig, this vote of Slooneis feels save-ish.
I did not find it suspicious when sig did it because it's more likely he simply failed to notice the condition in the scum roles. Epi staked an entire claim on Fearless Leader not knowing their teammates.
But you said that to make a point about it either way strikes you as suspicious; not that one is more suspicious than the other. And you did not mention this aspect of your thoughts at all when you voted for Epi. I still think this was a save vote. Although there is a lot of civ BTS here, I don't think you would have waited so long to put in a save for a civ.
It definitely was a save vote. I don't find the case against sig to be the least bit convincing.

So your thoughts on whether or not FL knows his teammates were a basic throwaway, since you actually DID suspect someone on one side of that debate, and you did not suspect anyone AT ALL on the other side of it. You just said that to say it?

Sloonei wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I feel pretty good about Epi, and fairly neutral about sig.

Sloonei wrote:I do not see conclusive evidence that Fearless Leader knows or does not know who his teammates are, so to make a point about it either way strikes me as suspicious.
But since you voted for Epi, you feel it is LESS suspicious when sig mentions it, even though he brought it up first?

I am moving my vote to sig, this vote of Slooneis feels save-ish.
I did not find it suspicious when sig did it because it's more likely he simply failed to notice the condition in the scum roles. Epi staked an entire claim on Fearless Leader not knowing their teammates.

But you said that to make a point about it either way strikes you as suspicious; not that one is more suspicious than the other. And you did not mention this aspect of your thoughts at all when you voted for Epi. I still think this was a save vote. Although there is a lot of civ BTS here, I don't think you would have waited so long to put in a save for a civ.

I feel pretty good about Epi, and fairly neutral about sig.

Sloonei wrote:I do not see conclusive evidence that Fearless Leader knows or does not know who his teammates are, so to make a point about it either way strikes me as suspicious.

But since you voted for Epi, you feel it is LESS suspicious when sig mentions it, even though he brought it up first?

I am moving my vote to sig, this vote of Slooneis feels save-ish.

These are not my puns, but this put a smile on my face walking out the door to work.

I have no one I suspect strongly enough to vote for at this time, only people I have a fairly good feel for, and *everyone else*. So I might leavemy vote where it is unless I start to take votes.

a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:It was not a specifically a contradiction, it was a joke. The point of humor is often the contradictory nature of what is funny vs. what is reality. It was funny BECAUSE it was contradictory.

I hate RVS, and you think it is OK, so *I* voted that way for you in a total reversal of expectation. You were not amused.

That is why it was funny.
You still don't get what I'm criticizing. I know what irony is.

Read my list of the contradictions that I was bothered with. None of them are criticizing the nature of the joke itself.

No you are missing *my* point. A one line joke does not deserve that list you made. You were annoyed that I voted for you, and you are blustering up about how bad I am and how contradictory I am to cover that up.

Everyone else is seeing this for what it is except LC, and I could come in to any thread and say "Look! Blue Sky!" and he will think I am being manipulative or whatever,he never trusts me, I have come to expect it.

Eloh is NOT suspicious for (correctly) sticking up for me. Step away from the molehill and learn to take a joke.

I'm not

It was not a specifically a contradiction, it was a joke. The point of humor is often the contradictory nature of what is funny vs. what is reality. It was funny BECAUSE it was contradictory.

I hate RVS, and you think it is OK, so *I* voted that way for you in a total reversal of expectation. You were not amused.

That is why it was funny.

I voted for myself becasue I did not want to argue with Zebra anymore. I don't particularly think it was an overreaction, either. She & I don't play well together at times.

Linki, lol, LEARN TO TAKE A JOKE.

Long Con wrote:Sorry Eloh, I didn't read it that way. I read it as S~V~S getting upset about some pressure from Zeebs.

You usually do.

Yes, SVS was getting upset. a2thezebra thought to tell us how awesome RVS was,so I did not think she would think much of it if an RVS vote fell on her. And I was right. *I* found it amusing; she did not.

I think voting is srs bsns for the most part. I think RVS is just a tool to obscure intent and to make joke votes for people you actually would like to lynch. I hate it. But other people don't and that is cool. To each his/her own.

And thats about all that that was. I will get a grip on my temper and this will not happen again

linki

You know what, I changed it tome. Night.

because YOU were promotingRVS, I voted for you, *ha ha*

Seethe irony?

Not me,*us*.

It was a fuckingjoke.

No I just did it to poke you since you were lecturing me on RVS

It was a joke. Ha ha. Get it?

Throttle back, OK?

I have played lots of Day Ones over the years, we never used to do RVS since we had static votes. Voting for people for no reason just goes against the grain, lol.

Voting for people for no reason just for lulz is my least favorite thing, tbh.

RVS just leads to people forgetting to move their votes.

But OK. Zeebs

After seeing LC's questions, I just actually read the roles and with all this civvie BTS (and potential BTS), vouching won't be as easy a baddie tell as normal.

I think I have to find some Rocky & Bullwinkle tonight on TV.

Any *feels* from the very limited thread so far?

Ooo I am bad at being punny. But rewards are good, so I will try ha ha.

I hope this game keeps a similar schedule, I like morning games.

I am most definitely here.

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