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I posted this in the Felt signups in error doh lolS~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:21 am Thank you G Man for a really fun game. I loved the theme, and your host posts were awesome!
I learned a lot this game about new ways to do things like the PoE I found super useful. I also learned sometimes you gotta be yourself, and it’s OK. I’m never gonna see the point of making lists of people I don’t suspect because “what if”, lol.
Sorry to the people I wrongly suspected, like Sabi and Soneji. I learned a lot from you as well.
Well played baddies, you had a rough batch of irl circumstances ( @Roxy how os your employee??) and you rolled with it. I greenread Roxy until the last day when I did that PoE thing.
If Roxy flips civ my head will be … in little pieces all over the room because my head will have exploded ha haSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:30 pm ugh, do I actually have to think about this game again? (he says, complaining about having to play a game he voluntarily plays for fun)
Okay @S~V~S if Roxy flips town, where's your head?
@Roxy due to you lolcatting, I'm not moving my vote off you. If you're wolf, you should just keep lolcatting. If you're town, you should... not lolcat.
I think we play differently. I am not sure what a TK is?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:09 pmIs Roxy your only suspect?S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:18 pmI don’t see the point in making lists of people I don’t suspect. I don’t think splints, rondo or Neon is bad. Except for Rox, I don’t agree with any of them. But if I had to pull one out (this was the question, right?) other than myself, I would take Neon out. I think her reaction to Lucy’s elim was genuine and firmly towncore her for me.
But if you insist,
The point isn't to "make lists of people you don't suspect", it is to make a list that
1. is no larger than the number of TKs we have left, and
2. maximizes the probability of containing all wolves subject to constraint 1.
I don’t see the point in making lists of people I don’t suspect. I don’t think splints, rondo or Neon is bad. Except for Rox, I don’t agree with any of them. But if I had to pull one out (this was the question, right?) other than myself, I would take Neon out. I think her reaction to Lucy’s elim was genuine and firmly towncore her for me.
And in thread games, you can interact while not in the thread at the same time. What this means to me is that you never had any suspects or opinions strong enough for me to comment on them; to agree, disagree or think about. And Roxy is a strong minded person, who generally holds strong opinions and doesn't much care what others think of them. And, even though I've played my usual aggressive game, you never felt the need to agree or disagree with anything I said other than OT. We both like teams, and when town you're a consensus builder, like me. You didn't try to engage in that way, and I didn't even notice it.Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:30 pm ~snip too~
You have not been around while I was in thread. Yeah I was here before she outed herself trying to make my post but then I seen it happen. *sighs* idk this game is just so different anymore - See my previous post no sense in rehashing of this game and it's mechanics or new style of play.
My tone is what it is. I have mellowed since Ariya was born I don't want to be the hateful, meanspirited YaYa I want to be the happy go lucky one she wants to be around.
Lucy is not a teammate of mine - no way I would have ever allowed her to out herself. Nor would she have ever posted "fucking Roxy". I have never had btsc with Mata. I do not really know Vivax beyond this game.
Me too actuallyNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:08 amI mean I like multi ball I'm planning a pretty fucking stupid multi ball game for eventually.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:35 amIt was fun, just different to this. If us old folk can mske adjustments to this new world, you could have too.
Especially if it was all you knew. It was easier to be bad with 2 bad teams, cause then you could legit wolf hunt, for instance.
This should prolly all be in green but meh.
But. I dunno I like controlling the thread and power wolfing.
It was fun, just different to this. If us old folk can mske adjustments to this new world, you could have too.
Oh yeah I’m ashamed of this. It wasn’t my best moment. I mainly brought it up in that people are unpredictable and the team can control them only as far as thry allow themselves to be controlled.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:14 amSecondary cringe from this one. Glad you look back on it with chagrin. I would tooS~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:11 ami personally don’t anymore, but I’ve seen other people do so, especially when things aren’t going well. .Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:07 amDo you often ignore team strategy and do whatever you want without helping your team?S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:14 amHow so “let her” ?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:46 am So let me ask you a question.
If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.
Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?
She’s a free person and can post as she likes. I think outing herself like that isn’t always fair to one’s team, but I don’t know what they could have done to stop her.
But ultimately, you don’t have any control over other peoples actions. People go rogue.
Years ago on a site that doesn’t exist anymore, I went rogue, in a similar, not the same way. I was town and had been recruited into a team I had been working hard to elim. I was so demoralized and unhappy, I refused to go to their chat or participate. I didn’t work actively against them but I outed myself and became a null. Looking back on it I’m embarrassed and wish I hadn’t done so, but in the heat of the moment, at the time, it made sense. Not the same situation, but a similar end result.
People are free agents, and unpredictable. Lucy wanted to go down on her own terms, imo, and I would guess there prolly wasn’t much her team could do to stop her.
Yeah, steering = bad back in the day. Even though I tend to do it myself bad or civ. When I see other people do it, my gut reaction is “wolf!”, even though logically I know better.
i personally don’t anymore, but I’ve seen other people do so, especially when things aren’t going well. .Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:07 amDo you often ignore team strategy and do whatever you want without helping your team?S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:14 amHow so “let her” ?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:46 am So let me ask you a question.
If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.
Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?
She’s a free person and can post as she likes. I think outing herself like that isn’t always fair to one’s team, but I don’t know what they could have done to stop her.
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:13 pmits not impossibleSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:09 pmAre you confusing spf and Neon?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:22 pmSee I know Neon / Aero were the F5 wolves so you saying she subbed makes no sense to meS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:15 pmThere was a host post saying Wilgy replaced her but I saw no posts or mentions of him. It was confusing, there wasn’t even a list of who was what role in the thread that I could find.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:10 pm I think I need to give Neon a pass for my bad memory and let other people suss/find her
There was a host post saying Wilgy replaced her but I saw no posts or mentions of him. It was confusing, there wasn’t even a list of who was what role in the thread that I could find.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:10 pm I think I need to give Neon a pass for my bad memory and let other people suss/find her
I didn’t read you I read her. And she subbed out, right? If you just read it, can you link me to a post where she aggressively defended a bad teammate? Cause I didn’t find one.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:01 pmYou are unfamiliar with me as town or wolf but I am a slippery bastard either way. I can tell when people have closed off their thinking and Falcon has done that, Seanzie too.Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:58 pmWhy stop conversation completely? In theory wouldn't someone be able to cement if they think someone is good or not anftrr enough pushing, especially if they're being tunneled?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:46 pmHahaha you are so level 0 you really think I would be in anti-spew when I am the last wolf left if I was the last wolf? Whats the point? You obviously think I am wolf and you have made up your mind so there is no point engaging you since anything I say will just be more evidence I am wolf and you will continue to confbias yourself or tunnel me. Not sure if that means you are town falcon or wolf.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:22 pmSo Sean & Roxy are TownRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:26 pmYou do realise that after I flip town you are going to make it easy for the wolf to make a case on you or not even have to because you are probably going to get pushed or roxy tomorrow.
What's your take outside of Neon?
@S~V~S just read KOTH where i destroyed the mafia team while also being the scummiest person in the game pre F5.
Cutting off communication here is the best thing for thread health
OK, I'm in there now. She has about a billion posts. So far what I can see looks nothing like this game. Can you tell me who she aggressively defended so I can search her posts for that person? I'm two pages in from the end, and I haven't seen anything like that so far.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:49 pmIts the banner in my signature. Yes its on the siteS~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:31 pmWhat’s KOTH? Is it on this site?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:26 pmYes she would, she has also admitted as much in this game. I have seen her do as much in KOTH.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:51 pmI thought Lucy was bad early, I *knew* she was bad when she got pissy that Kate was dead posting. It was almost like, “Shut up, you, I killed you!”. I think she was telling the truth that she was trying to wedge Kate/Dennis. That’s a big chunk of why I suspected her before I backed off.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:37 pm Ok, I don’t think Seanzie is bad.
Key thoughts:
Lucy towncleared dennis before she went out. I tend to lean wifom on that post, Dennis is town and Lucy wanted us to tinfoil him on the other side.
Rondo has consistently said neon is in wolfrange and that’s probably my starting point for another look today.
I think Neon is town. No baddie would have gone that balls to the walls to protect a teamie, imo. But she made it sound like aggro defense is more the norm now, so outside of my experience.
Looking forward to seeing your suspicions.
This ^^^Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:27 pmIt’s really hard to see mata/vivax as compatible with splintsfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:24 pm Rondo, Roxy & fingers all need more pressure to solve or be solved IMO
It’s really hard to see Lucy as compatible with splints
Seeing both of them collectively as compatible with splints would shock my socks right off my feet.
If I die, I give you permission to RIP me cause I like feeling valuedfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:42 pmScotty knows I love him, but Imma save my Atta Boy til after Town winsS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:32 amNope I haven’t. Not even Kate who is a super good friend. But Scotty was the first power role. He did a super good job and I thought he at least deserved a salute.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:03 amI've seen Maf out themselves near EOD when their death seems certain, but it's not very often that's true.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:35 amI guess no one says “RIP” anymore? I said I was sorry to see him go because I’m sorry to see him go. He was a great doctor, he prevented two kills and I’d guess died because he finally made some small pushback against Goldens case, and protected someone else when he should have protected himself.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:54 amThe first sentence is like, exactly what Maf would say after finally getting some kills thru...
And why was the last EOD weird? I actually felt we were finally coming together on things, working thru the minutae so to speak.
And then add that to their reaction to Golden moving off lucy...which at first gave me some tingles on Golden, but then engaging with him I started to feel where he was coming from.
That post is pinging me right out the gate
And it was weird because a baddie outed themselves, gave up her strategy and tried to get someone to talk about why they suspected her and asked who the cop was.
You don’t think that’s weird?
Asking who the cop was in a sort of nonchalant way is not strange at all IMO, and probably her best bet to get some info for her team while doing the "good game, good game" handshake outro
I'm curious if you RIPd any of the other dead town this game
I still have to reread Bea, but Rondo I think is incompatible with Lucy. Lucy’s discussion with him after she was outed doesn’t look like distancing to me, it looked real. But having seen some skilled distancing between you and Quin in Game 1, we know that can be faked by a skillful baddie and I would bet Rondos bad game and civ game are super similar. Chaos players usually are.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:25 pmI’m going to reread them tomorrow as well as splints and you. Obvs with the role claim my town read on you stands, but I want to see interactions too, so I’ll pull in Mata too.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:12 pmI have consistently thought neon was town, that’s my gut read. I’m just wondering if someone like rondo has a better read.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:51 pmI thought Lucy was bad early, I *knew* she was bad when she got pissy that Kate was dead posting. It was almost like, “Shut up, you, I killed you!”. I think she was telling the truth that she was trying to wedge Kate/Dennis. That’s a big chunk of why I suspected her before I backed off.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:37 pm Ok, I don’t think Seanzie is bad.
Key thoughts:
Lucy towncleared dennis before she went out. I tend to lean wifom on that post, Dennis is town and Lucy wanted us to tinfoil him on the other side.
Rondo has consistently said neon is in wolfrange and that’s probably my starting point for another look today.
I think Neon is town. No baddie would have gone that balls to the walls to protect a teamie, imo. But she made it sound like aggro defense is more the norm now, so outside of my experience.
Where are you at on Roxy and Rondo? (I’m thinking here of rondo as bea and reevaluating reads on friends.)
Nope I haven’t. Not even Kate who is a super good friend. But Scotty was the first power role. He did a super good job and I thought he at least deserved a salute.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:03 amI've seen Maf out themselves near EOD when their death seems certain, but it's not very often that's true.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:35 amI guess no one says “RIP” anymore? I said I was sorry to see him go because I’m sorry to see him go. He was a great doctor, he prevented two kills and I’d guess died because he finally made some small pushback against Goldens case, and protected someone else when he should have protected himself.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:54 amThe first sentence is like, exactly what Maf would say after finally getting some kills thru...RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:16 amHow?
And why was the last EOD weird? I actually felt we were finally coming together on things, working thru the minutae so to speak.
And then add that to their reaction to Golden moving off lucy...which at first gave me some tingles on Golden, but then engaging with him I started to feel where he was coming from.
That post is pinging me right out the gate
And it was weird because a baddie outed themselves, gave up her strategy and tried to get someone to talk about why they suspected her and asked who the cop was.
You don’t think that’s weird?
Asking who the cop was in a sort of nonchalant way is not strange at all IMO, and probably her best bet to get some info for her team while doing the "good game, good game" handshake outro
I'm curious if you RIPd any of the other dead town this game
Yeah, I do recall some of that, asking other people for reads of oneself is not something I recall being done when i was more active. I also found how, after she outed herself, she tried to engage you. When I've seen people do that in the past, they were trying to make that person look *suspicious*, by in effect saying, "You took me down!" and shaking their fist at you, kinda over mustache twirling to give you faux cred, if you take my meaning. But in your case, I think she was actually being honest. I expected either you or I to be NK.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:43 pmIgnoring lucy TMI'ing me town by asking how I found her you can just look at my entrance to the game and then almost instant turboing on Lucy to force her to do things to clear meS~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:25 pmI’m going to reread them tomorrow as well as splints and you. Obvs with the role claim my town read on you stands, but I want to see interactions too, so I’ll pull in Mata too.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:12 pmI have consistently thought neon was town, that’s my gut read. I’m just wondering if someone like rondo has a better read.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:51 pmI thought Lucy was bad early, I *knew* she was bad when she got pissy that Kate was dead posting. It was almost like, “Shut up, you, I killed you!”. I think she was telling the truth that she was trying to wedge Kate/Dennis. That’s a big chunk of why I suspected her before I backed off.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:37 pm Ok, I don’t think Seanzie is bad.
Key thoughts:
Lucy towncleared dennis before she went out. I tend to lean wifom on that post, Dennis is town and Lucy wanted us to tinfoil him on the other side.
Rondo has consistently said neon is in wolfrange and that’s probably my starting point for another look today.
I think Neon is town. No baddie would have gone that balls to the walls to protect a teamie, imo. But she made it sound like aggro defense is more the norm now, so outside of my experience.
Where are you at on Roxy and Rondo? (I’m thinking here of rondo as bea and reevaluating reads on friends.)
Oh OK, thanks. I'll check it out. Because much as she seems to be suspecting me now, I am still having problems wrapping my mind around someone defending a teammate so overtly, but I'll give it a look as I read back today.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:49 pmIts the banner in my signature. Yes its on the siteS~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:31 pmWhat’s KOTH? Is it on this site?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:26 pmYes she would, she has also admitted as much in this game. I have seen her do as much in KOTH.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:51 pmI thought Lucy was bad early, I *knew* she was bad when she got pissy that Kate was dead posting. It was almost like, “Shut up, you, I killed you!”. I think she was telling the truth that she was trying to wedge Kate/Dennis. That’s a big chunk of why I suspected her before I backed off.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:37 pm Ok, I don’t think Seanzie is bad.
Key thoughts:
Lucy towncleared dennis before she went out. I tend to lean wifom on that post, Dennis is town and Lucy wanted us to tinfoil him on the other side.
Rondo has consistently said neon is in wolfrange and that’s probably my starting point for another look today.
I think Neon is town. No baddie would have gone that balls to the walls to protect a teamie, imo. But she made it sound like aggro defense is more the norm now, so outside of my experience.
I guess no one says “RIP” anymore? I said I was sorry to see him go because I’m sorry to see him go. He was a great doctor, he prevented two kills and I’d guess died because he finally made some small pushback against Goldens case, and protected someone else when he should have protected himself.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:54 amThe first sentence is like, exactly what Maf would say after finally getting some kills thru...RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:16 amHow?
And why was the last EOD weird? I actually felt we were finally coming together on things, working thru the minutae so to speak.
And then add that to their reaction to Golden moving off lucy...which at first gave me some tingles on Golden, but then engaging with him I started to feel where he was coming from.
That post is pinging me right out the gate
I felt like a bully, and with my Capn Obvious bluntness issues, this has always been a problem for me. No one likes feeling like they’re a bad person.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:14 amI think I’d have those three exactly reversed.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 amSeanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:
Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy
Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty
I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.
Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?
How confident are we on Sean being town?
SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
For me SVS saying I was trying to guilt her for wolfreading Lucy when I asked lucy if she was neurodiverse, is an inordinately large hurdle to cross for me now that lucy has wolf flipped.
I think the only reason SVS says that is because I actually did make her feel bad. And I don’t think she feels bad if it’s her wolfmate.
They thought getting rid of a very successful doctor was more important? He lightly pushed back against the “why didn’t anyone object” thing re Goldens Seanzie case.Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:06 amI picked this because it's the only EoD that was ever in doubt. And there's a wagon that's almost entirely flipped.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 1:00 amSeanzie is my yeet in lylo, Dennis is probably IC since Katez says so but Golden is IC so SVS is the only one left. But I feel like this is a cherry picked example, do you have another?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:56 am D1:
Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy
Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty
I want to note. I'm town. So Seanzie is pure.
Do me a favor please and do a thought exercise with me. In a world where I'm town what does this tell you?
How confident are we on Sean being town?
SVS > Seanzie > Dennis
Next question. Why is SVS alive?
How so “let her” ?Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:46 am So let me ask you a question.
If I'm wolf and I've spent all day hard defending Lucy and being notably within my wolf range according to the two players who have played with me.
Why would we as a wolf team ever let Lucy come into thread and just admit to being a wolf there. I mean she's probably going over anyways ig but if she was gonna give up went would I waste my breath?
Almost all of that case pointed to Lucy being bad except one part and the ending. Anyhow night thread!
What’s KOTH? Is it on this site?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:26 pmYes she would, she has also admitted as much in this game. I have seen her do as much in KOTH.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:51 pmI thought Lucy was bad early, I *knew* she was bad when she got pissy that Kate was dead posting. It was almost like, “Shut up, you, I killed you!”. I think she was telling the truth that she was trying to wedge Kate/Dennis. That’s a big chunk of why I suspected her before I backed off.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:37 pm Ok, I don’t think Seanzie is bad.
Key thoughts:
Lucy towncleared dennis before she went out. I tend to lean wifom on that post, Dennis is town and Lucy wanted us to tinfoil him on the other side.
Rondo has consistently said neon is in wolfrange and that’s probably my starting point for another look today.
I think Neon is town. No baddie would have gone that balls to the walls to protect a teamie, imo. But she made it sound like aggro defense is more the norm now, so outside of my experience.
I asked this yesterday but didn’t get an answer. Is really aggressive bad/bad defense more normal now? Because for us OF folk, we’d never never do that. So if this is a thing that actually happens, I would have to consider that.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:23 pmHow neon treated lucy yesterday is EXACTLY how I would expect wolf neon to treat lucy yesterday. I am not pushing that atm because I am confbiased and if we dont find any smoking gun I am yeeting that before lylo because I will turbo itGolden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:37 pm Ok, I don’t think Seanzie is bad.
Key thoughts:
Lucy towncleared dennis before she went out. I tend to lean wifom on that post, Dennis is town and Lucy wanted us to tinfoil him on the other side.
Rondo has consistently said neon is in wolfrange and that’s probably my starting point for another look today.