The Syndicate

Something you said Day Zero, before anyone knew there was an LD in the game. I can look later. I never got results cause I was blocked, then redirected to TH, and struck out with him, and the night I tried you again, I died.

Epignosis wrote:The timing and nature of your accusation against me made us think you were an info role, which is why we killed you. We could not risk you getting lynched, your role being revealed, and everyone going back and seeing you accused me.

Oh, and I never had info on you. The only success I had was with Quin, when I checked one of Drums list statements & cleared him. I tried to check you and never succeeded. My opinion that you were bad was total gut. I thought you were incredibly obvious, but apparently I was the only one

Thanks Dom, fun while it lasted, and again, congrats winners

DrumBeats wrote:Also, Dom, what happened with SVS's vote then? Was it not forced or was it an item or something?

Also, thanks for hosting Dom!

Assuming that what you can see is all that there is is a fairly common mistake people new to our culture make. We do secrets/items/etc. and may not necessarily disclose them until endgame. So no worries, lol. It was an understandable assumption to make re my vote.

I am amazed everyone did not know you were bad. I thought you were so obvious, lol. And yeah, I figured that you did not want to risk the reveal. That was why I was surprised more people were not skeptical when I was NKed, or considered discussing my suspects. But well played! I probably would have done the same

Scotty wrote:

DFaraday wrote:So when SVS's vote was forced, why did she vote immediately? And baddies, did you just happen to be around at the moment that happened and improvised?

We were counting on her to vote early since Quin did so to her the previous day. And she delivered. We were around waiting for her to do so and end the day.

My team wanted to kill Quin the night before but I had this nagging feeling that we needed to lynch him instead. So that was a very pleasant feeling to get that one right.

Yeah, I was signalling Quin with that. And generally, I really DO do what Sorsha quoted, wait till the end. But I wanted Quin to know.

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Quin wrote:

I'm really just trying to come up with something that hints the importance of not lynching me that can be backed up by a lie detector and also doesn't break the info dumping rule.

Would something like

'Alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.' work?

And you replied with...

Dom wrote:That's fine!

Which is a statement of claim. Unlike the statements you were theorizing one could post to be checked. The quotes contain a factual statement that could be checked, that you knew the answer to, and weren't speculating about.

Okay Dom, would Pam have been able to check my claim that items were in the game, even though I had no idea? Keep in mind it was structured as 'There are items in this game'

Although, Darryl must have been surprised that I guessed that. I honestly had no idea

As Pam said repeatedly, Pam did not want to check statements about items. Pam wanted to find baddies telling lies.

Pam did use Drums list though, and got results

Sadly I kept checking Epignosis, and getting redirected or blocked or whatever, lol. Congrats baddies, solid game!

Dom wrote:

timmer wrote:Hmm... DOM, do you have the poll results from yesterday?

It's unfortunately lost. I forgot-- I'm sorry.

I remember the old days, when you had to save your own poll. Posting the poll was a good way to get cred.

Is your thread too quiet? Bring me back, I will never shut up

Good Luck! Workers of the World Unite!

How did the civvie inactives act, Epi?

Quin wrote:
I want this as my new title. Mods, make it happen!

Consider it done, oh Bringer!

Scotty wrote:

DrumBeats wrote: There's enough information out there that honing in on low posters will do absolutely nothing for us. Just more gamble lynches that will likely end badly and make us lose. Name your top three suspects who are not low posters.

Well that's hardly fair. There's only a handful of us. I'm back and forth between you/SVS. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to an SVS lynch.
Then Epi and Matt.

But how do you define a low-poster? Everyone living is a lower poster than you. timmer has 30 posts, though I'd still consider him a low poster to an extent.

If Drumbeats says there is any information that says I am bad, as opposed to opinion, he is dead wrong. Since I am not bad.

Bad: Epignosis

Not Bad: Me

Every game probably had low posters on the civvie team,too.

OK then I will trust you. Michael would be Steve Carrell?

Also I will trust serge on this one.

I have not seen much of this show. I have no idea which role might be bad.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:HOLY SHIT FRONT POST GOLD MINE! SVS's VOTE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FORCED!

"Jo – Jo is very convincing. She can control someone’s vote each odd night. "

SVS voted on Day 3. Night 2 Jo could not control it.

I don't know any way around that.

Maybe there us a power stealer or something; I am not lying, what happened, happened. Nice to make black/white suppositions like that about roles when we don't know all the roles.

At this point, I am only a distraction. All of you guys will get to target others when I am gone, Lol.

I will give a list of reads before night end.

Walk dog then bed, see you in the AM players.

DrumBeats wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin

There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.

This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.

And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075

The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.

Right and that was one of the options I mentioned. In this case I was also mimicking quin, as I have said.

Drum for someone so fixated on telling Pam what to check you do a great job ignoring my direct statements.

I don't have BTSC.
I don't have a kill or know who does.
I don't know anyone else's role.
I don't know who ended the day early.
I did not choose to vote for Quin.

Explain that first line. I get that you were mimicking Quin, but I don't get what you even mean by that being one of the options you mentioned. You directly said - LOL just looked at the quote again, you're right. But then how does that quote defend your immediate vote then?

I did anything but ignore them, I pieced them apart and analyzed each of their validity. There weren't a lot until you began to use them as a defense crutch. Now explain to me how Pam is supposed to tell us that you lied about any of those things?

For someone so fixated on proving your innocence, you do a great job of ignoring my arguments against you.

How are we supposed to know if Pam checked any of the multiple things you suggest? My point is, I am not afraid to say them. Cause they're true. I am not trying to wiggle out of it or play word games. I am not trying to fool the LD because I am not lying.

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:ALSO,re framing, I am mega mega mega MEGA surprised that no one has tried to imply I was the one to kill Rabbit (or if they did I missed it). I know that when I kill someone when I am bad in order to frame another person, I NEVER bring it up myself. I wait for the civvies to bring it up under those circumstances. And there are a few people I would have expected to bring that point up. When Rabbit died I was waiting for it, and it did not come.

I'm satisfied with your vote explanation. But who are you referring to here? Now's not the time to pull your punches.

linki: And bea replies, the plot thickens...

I mean people who know me well enough to know Rabbit and I have a dynamic, but not what it is. Epi for one.

@bea, damn Skippy I wouldn't kill him. And you know it; fwiw I didn't mean you.

Sorsha wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

RIP Quin

There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.

This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.

And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075

The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.

Right and that was one of the options I mentioned. In this case I was also mimicking quin, as I have said.

Drum for someone so fixated on telling Pam what to check you do a great job ignoring my direct statements.

I don't have BTSC.
I don't have a kill or know who does.
I don't know anyone else's role.
I don't know who ended the day early.
I did not choose to vote for Quin.

LoRab wrote:

S~V~S wrote:German.

Who needs a better theme?

I've read too much Jewish philosophy this past week, mainly of Germans, to want that as a theme. I'm going with jazz. It makes my brain hurt less.

Good point. TH, I was just reading back through your posts.

I voted early becasue I was trying to emphasize the similarity of our experiences to Quin. It is also my experience that when you have no choice but to do a thing, either do it immediately and get it out of the way, or wait until the last second and play stupid. For the reason I stated re Quin, I chose the former. Also I am all about open & honest this game, and playing dumb at the last minute does not seem to work with that.

@Daisy, sometimes TPTB just won;t let you say what you really want to say. And you (or me, lol) is sleepy and does it anyhow.

ALSO,re framing, I am mega mega mega MEGA surprised that no one has tried to imply I was the one to kill Rabbit (or if they did I missed it). I know that when I kill someone when I am bad in order to frame another person, I NEVER bring it up myself. I wait for the civvies to bring it up under those circumstances. And there are a few people I would have expected to bring that point up. When Rabbit died I was waiting for it, and it did not come.

@LoRab, I did not think of it in that context. My husbands BFF is German, and that is my first association.

German.

Who needs a better theme?

I am appalled that anyone thinks I am enough of an idiot to do this. I mean, I can be an idiot, but I am a player whose best use to a bad team is via manipulation & talking in thread, not out of self sacrifice. But whatevs, if you want to lynch me Drum, go for it. You will be dissappointed if you really expect me to flip bad.

Also, re the use of the word "forced"; has it occurred to you that I am not allowed to directly say I was targeted?

What other factual checkable statement would you like me to make?

Linki @Faraday, what do you think of my factual remarks? We have 2 nights in a row for Pam to check me. What factual questions would you like to ask me?

S~V~S wrote:Drum beats, I have not been afraid to make clear statements for Pam. I have nothing to hide. I don't have btsc with anyone. I am not on any Mafia team. I had nothing to do with ending the day early.

First, why do you think the bad team knew Quins role during the night?

It's intriguing that all you picked up from my post was the part about "it would be insane to do that". You don't even have to read between my lines to see that I am making one hell of a lot of direct statements. I am not worried about Pam checking me since I have nothing to fear.

Ask me direct questions, I will give you direct answers.

Let me reword this; I do not know who ended the day. I did not know the day was going to be ended.

Drum beats, I have not been afraid to make clear statements for Pam. I have nothing to hide. I don't have btsc with anyone. I am not on any Mafia team. I had nothing to do with ending the day early.

First, why do you think the bad team knew Quins role during the night?

It's intriguing that all you picked up from my post was the part about "it would be insane to do that". You don't even have to read between my lines to see that I am making one hell of a lot of direct statements. I am not worried about Pam checking me since I have nothing to fear.

Ask me direct questions, I will give you direct answers.

Serge wrote:SVS's role could might as well be a townie role. Erin's role to stop a lynch is almost the opposite of this role.

SVS, do you deny the allegations?

I deny them categorically. I am not on any team. I did not knowingly have anything to do with Quins death. Doing what I did would be the stupidest move in the world on my part if I knew what was going to happen.

Would ANY of you have done that knowingly?

But I am okay with getting lynched if need be. I think the town could gain some benefit from it.

I did not mean to use the word forcer; what I meant to say was day ender. That was a poor choice of words and I am half awake so not sure why I used that word.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:S~V~S could have been forced. It'd require a baddie role to exist which parallels Meredith's or comes close. That's a guess, but it's plausible enough to consider. S~V~S seemed to imply that Quin understood her vote on some level, and he didn't react adversely to it. That's something she can talk about.

My vote was not the vote I would have liked to make. I am not on the team that killed Quin. I tried to do exactly what he did so he would get the parallel.

I was online, and even though I go invisible I was active in another thread so I guess they knew it. Maybe a member of the forcer team is online a lot?

In any case I am sorry to see Quin go. While I made the vote, I had nothing to do with his death knowingly. I was a victim, too.

Had I made the vote I would have liked to it would have been for Epignosis again. With certainty.

Quin you know where I am coming from. I am voting for you, and I don't expect to be changing it.

Quin wrote:Quick question: If everyone was going to just vote for one option, which would be your choice?

Corporate.

@Splints~ I get in trouble all the time for saying stupid shit, no one playing this game knows that better than you, I think Except bea, Indi, and probably LoRab & Sorsha. Hedville ftw

timmer wrote:That sucks, BWT. But why didn't you stop the lynch, considering your role, etc???

He probably wasn't around to do it. His last post was Tuesday, AM.

Also, forgot to vote. Voting Corporate, and if we DO get 2, also voting Accounting. Is one of the other three options particularly evil, show watchers?

DrumBeats wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Bummer, BWT. See you next time.

S~V~S wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Immediate observation: S~V~S was here to observe the entirety of this EOD development, and never provided any take of her own on either leetic or BWT. She kept her vote in a place where it has no function (on Epignosis).

Perhaps she has no opinion on either strong enough to get involved in a tie? Or a near tie?

Linki it isn't a real gun it is just your opinion.

Link I bleech

Why are you afraid of a tie?

I'm not. I'm afraid of breaking one and being wrong and lynching a civ. I don't like to break ties unless I am really sure.

I don't like this at all. That civ would have a 50% shot at being lynched anyway if you didn't vote. You voting to break the tie would cause the person you perceive to be a more likely scum flip to be taken out instead. From a civilian mindset, there is no reason to not break a tie.

Even if you don't suspect either of them? I just saw normal BWT and have no firm opinion on leetic. I would rather not just jump on a bandwagon just to jump on it

I liked the vote I made and had no compelling reason to change it.

And Jay, I know how/what GTH reads are. I just got a perverse pleasure from the realization that bias plays a part in yours.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Also it isn't a gun, its just your opinion.

Only barely. Generally the word "opinion" implies there is some sort of reasoned origin. A gun to head read on a totally neutral player is whatever the brain spits out in a moment -- at least if the person doing the exercise isn't cheating. It's a stance taken instead of "I don't know", because "I don't know" is worthless.

But it isn't neutral. You base it on past experience if a person has no content. That's opinion, right?

Also it isn't a gun, its just your opinion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Bummer, BWT. See you next time.

S~V~S wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Immediate observation: S~V~S was here to observe the entirety of this EOD development, and never provided any take of her own on either leetic or BWT. She kept her vote in a place where it has no function (on Epignosis).

Perhaps she has no opinion on either strong enough to get involved in a tie? Or a near tie?

Linki it isn't a real gun it is just your opinion.

Link I bleech

Why are you afraid of a tie?

I'm not. I'm afraid of breaking one and being wrong and lynching a civ. I don't like to break ties unless I am really sure.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Immediate observation: S~V~S was here to observe the entirety of this EOD development, and never provided any take of her own on either leetic or BWT. She kept her vote in a place where it has no function (on Epignosis).

Perhaps she has no opinion on either strong enough to get involved in a tie? Or a near tie?

Link I bleech

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Jay, is good your default?

I wouldn't say "default", since having a default kind of defeats the purpose of GTH reads. But if I have absolutely no idea whatsoever and I am not inspired to take either stance, I usually go with good.

Gotcha; I was wondering since you list Sorsha as Good and her two posts are totally content void (other than I hope she is enjoying camping or hiking or whatever she is doing), you know?

I don't see Sorsha as the type to "lay low" just for the sake of progressing a baddie game. She's capable of playing a more respectable baddie game than that. I assume her time restraints are legitimate.

I have no read on her; I just used her as an example based on the who posted list, you know? So you civ read her based on your perception of the kind of player she is, not really her content in this thread?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Jay, is good your default?

I wouldn't say "default", since having a default kind of defeats the purpose of GTH reads. But if I have absolutely no idea whatsoever and I am not inspired to take either stance, I usually go with good.

Gotcha; I was wondering since you list Sorsha as Good and her two posts are totally content void (other than I hope she is enjoying camping or hiking or whatever she is doing), you know?

Also, still thinking I am bad?

Serge wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll GTH read everyone alive and see where that leaves me.

bea -- good
birdwithteeth11 -- bad
Cobalt / Indiglo -- good
DFaraday -- good
Drumbeats -- good
Elohcin -- bad
enrique -- good
Epignosis -- bad
fingersplints -- good
Goldy / espers -- good
insertnamehere -- good
leetic -- bad
LoRab -- good
Matt -- good
Quin -- good
Scotty -- bad
Serge -- bad
sig -- good
Sorsha -- good
Spacedaisy -- good
SVS -- bad
timmer -- good
Zeus -- good

JJJ -- bad

Jay, is good your default?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Going off my interpretation of her role, she can control two non-voters votes, but they have to go to the same person. It's entirely possible I'm misinterpreting it and she can use everybody's votes, though.

She controls the votes of everyone who missed the prior vote. She cannot place more than two of those votes on any one person. The 2-2-2-1 spread that INH has identified looks 100% Meredith to me, or it's at least compatible with her role.

But lay off me Meredith, I'm on your side!

Ooooh, I guess I misunderstood? I thought she only controlled a limited number of votes, didn't I? So it would be impossible to pretend one was targeted by Meredith, wouldn't it?

linki @ Indi, when I smoked, yeah, that was perfect.

Fixed?

S~V~S wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Updating my list of people who missed the Day 1 vote and most like have their vote controlled by Meredith

bea: leetic
enrique: 3J
fingersplints: leetic
lorab: BWT
serge: BWT
sorsha: ???
spacedaisy: 3J

Which of the three getting votes do you think Meredith would be most likely to put extra votes on?

I have no idea. It probably depends on who Meredith is. I wonder where Meredith herself will vote.

How was that for entirely unhelpful?

I think this will be easier to answer post lynch, don't you? Do you know that this will make it almost impossible to question a prior days missed voters vote, right? Unless Meredith gets uppity about someone pretending they were targeted by her, hmm? And that would be bad if she did so, wouldn't it? Vote analyses will be less important, won't they?

Linki @ Serge, I don't think I agree with you; can you explain your thoughts?

indiglo wrote:

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Updating my list of people who missed the Day 1 vote and most like have their vote controlled by Meredith

bea: leetic
enrique: 3J
fingersplints: leetic
lorab: BWT
serge: BWT
sorsha: ???
spacedaisy: 3J

Which of the three getting votes do you think Meredith would be most likely to put extra votes on?

I have no idea. It probably depends on who Meredith is. I wonder where Meredith herself will vote.

How was that for entirely unhelpful?

I think this will be easier to answer post lynch, don't you? Do you know that this will make it almost impossible to question a prior days missed voters vote, right? Unless Meredith gets uppity about someone pretending they were targeted by her. And that would be bad if she did so, wouldn't it? Vote analyses will be less important, won't they?

Linki @ Serge, I don't think I agree with you; can you explain your thoughts?

If you prefer a lynch of BWT why not vote for him?

...or are you just voting for him cause he's the opposing bandwagon to BWT?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I moved my vote to leetic. I like having two distinct lead wagons proceeding toward EOD.

Do you think he is bad?

Serge wrote:I voted.

Why exactly?

Am I a sillyhead for misreading what Jay asked you?