The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:42 pm At first I thought Falcon voting Syn while suspecting Nutella and Rico looked bad for him, but after some thought I'm not so sure. If he were a wolf, either he thinks he can get mislims in Syn, Nutella, and Rico or he is throwing out suspicion to see what sticks. If it's the second, then I feel like he would have committed to a scumread by now to get them killed over him. I've also seen Falcon propose some odd distancing teams as town, like when he thought it was Zenon/Splints in Solar System and I think there was another moment in se7en.

I feel like Syn has actually cared more about how the thread sees him than Falcon has. Falcon does spend time saying he's town but his actual reads are so far out there that if he's wolf they're not doing him any favors.

Scotty and Falcon already voted. So you, me Nutella, Rico and Syn. Syn can't self vote, so he'll likely go Falcon (or even a third person if he's serious about being yeeted today, and he takes votes).

I personally am a bit more inclined to vote Syn, tbh, but I could see a world with bad Falcon. He does feel solvey, while Syn mainly seems more concerned with how we split our votes rather than who we vote for. Could just be a stylistic difference, though.

I've got a bit of a family situation going on right now; my Dad went to the hospital (nothing mega srs, possibly an intestinal issue, but when you're 83 things can go south quickly). I was told NOT to go to the Hospital, I have my stepmom and a brother there, but if things go south, eh, so I'm gonna be the one to force the issue and vote now, and right now, I'm leaning Syn.

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:03 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:51 am Look like we're pretty much on the same page.

I’d be remiss if I didn’t do DD. That’s how we sleepwalk into a loss

Oh I wasn’t trying to shade you, it was the time I normally post and I felt I had to say *something*.

Look like we're pretty much on the same page.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:59 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:42 pm I agree discussion is productive, but don’t forget that today is the first day someone hasn’t forced us into wagons we font necessarily want with vanity votes.

This is like the old days. ALL Votes were unchangeable and locked; making a dopey vote got you yeeted. I don’t miss those days, I don’t like this, lol.

Yeah, YEAH! I agree with SVS, this is @DrWilgy’s fault if we lose

I don’t have an issue with the mechanics; it’s the snap voters. Especially with small games.

Gotta walk the woofer and get to bed.

Night

@Thunal33

I do think we all have the same group of names. Scotty trying to put Rico into the PoE is just making me a tad paranoid.

Channeling LOST; live together or die alone.

I agree discussion is productive, but don’t forget that today is the first day someone hasn’t forced us into wagons we font necessarily want with vanity votes.

This is like the old days. ALL Votes were unchangeable and locked; making a dopey vote got you yeeted. I don’t miss those days, I don’t like this, lol.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:30 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:55 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:44 am especially when you gave the good old college try at pushing elsewhere outside the POE, which my approach to this situation very specifically prevents anyone from trying to do

“Push outside the POE” as if THE poe is what you dictate, eh?

Listen Syn, you seem to be taking the aggressive approach here that you are the sacrificial lamb, and I am not deadset on voting you. You seem to be bringing that upon yourself

Almost feels like reverse psychology.

@Scotty this was my first post this AM, and I still kinda vibe with it.

Honestly, I can vote either. But I won’t vote Rico.

We need a group PoE. Not a bunch of individual PoEs.

@Scotty I have an exercise for you.

Let’s say Rico just fell off the edge of the earth.

GTH, Syn or Falcon?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:32 pm I don't think falcon or Scotty is mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:39 pm In case I go over, here you go:

Falcon - Good
Marmot - Bad
Nutella - Bad (Still owe a reread though)
Ricochet- ???
Scotty - Good
S~V~S - ???
Syn - Purple
Thunal - Bad

I mean, these are the only two times Epi typed out "Falcon". Any other mention of him in Epis ISO is a quote of someone else, mostly reads lists. And he doesn't weigh in on him at all in any of those posts.

It isn't like Scotty that he addressed at length.

These are the only two people Epi calls "good", and his treatment of them is very different. He says Falcon = Good, but no where does he say why

So, imo, one of these is likely Epis partner, and I'm more inclined to think it's Falcon.

I'm of the mindset that Epi was trying to drum up suspish on Scotty with his ISO fixation on him, as well as that remark about Rico only have two posts while he had 2 votes (or whatever the exact wording was, sitting in the yard not pulling quotes on phone).

Like I said, not voting Thunal or Rico, not voting Nutella.

I'm more inclined to look at Falcon or Syn than Scotty.

When Thunal went and looked at Dont Starve, she said she didn't think Scotty tunnelled me as hard as he did her here, and I disagree. I think alot of it is perspective; it looks alot worse to the person being chased down the tunnel. That said, I'd trust her judgment over mine re Scotty this game. I got so invested in getting people to see Thunal v Scotty as T/T, I'm having problems seeing past my own case, even if its flawed, if that makes sense. I have also not seen bad Scotty afaik, so I'm only comparing him to games I've seen him town.

So at this point, I'm Falcon> Syn> and Scotty if Thunal is sure.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:44 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:25 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:08 pm you are indirectly on to something though with the point about epi's capacity: what was epi's goal with his play? was he just inactive and doing his best under the circumstances, or was there a specific intended result in mind?

and with that in mind, and another read of his ISO, I come to the conclusion that...

there doesn't really seem to be a discernible agenda unless the intent was to WIFOM scotty

most of his posting revolved around nutella and scotty, and then banter

multiple, MULTIPLE instances of epi insisting that scotty isn't mafia though

spoilered quotes below

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:36 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:19 pm Sorry about the condescension- I’m just kinda disappointed we just lost our PRs with no real trade off and dealing with the fact that there’s nothing to solve any more and I’ve now been tricked into playing a mountainous game. I hate mountainous

Scotty isn't mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:10 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.

How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:41 pm

Why did you suspect Scotty here?

One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.

Hmmmm
******************
Yo, check this progression:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm

Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:12 pm I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:38 pm In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.

I absolutely loathe this post.

At this point we were trying to find a consensus since we had a lot of spread locked votes. If you read other peoples posts from this time frame, everyone in the thread (except Nutella who was kinda mocking us, lol) we ALL were doing this. The people trying to find someone we all could agree on vs the people who wanted to default to Rico.

I kinda pushed her to vote Sean after he had gotten a third vote. He was a null for me.

This is all about how EOD went and zero about progression. Thinal, along with Dizzy, we’re considering Rico.

This usage of what happened at EOD to somehow make a “poor progression” argument on the person least responsible for Sean’s yeet is disingenuous in the extreme to my POV.

I can’t even say how much I hate this.

Too bad that Scotty isn't mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:37 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

I'm not mafia. So have fun with that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:32 pm I don't think falcon or Scotty is mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:03 pm I'm finally off work and can put the nutella - Scotty thing in the Viewfinder.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:09 pm Scotty
Syn

Seanzie
Marmot
Thunal

Dyslexicon
S~V~S

Epignosis
Falcon
Ricochet
Lime Coke


Off the cuff tiers. Still plenty of shifting

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:52 pm Would not vote:
Syn
Seanzie
Scotty
Marmot

Somewhere in between / no firm stance:
Thunal
Dyslexicon
SVS
Epignosis

Would vote:
Lime Coke
Falcon
Rico

nutella seems to like Scotty so far.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:26 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:08 pm Okay, on nutella's third page, there's a turn against Scotty.

I don't see it. Sorry nut.

See what?

I don't need you to agree with my thoughts. I just wanted you to see that I had them. Since you had such a shallow understanding of my play.

I mean I have Scotty as a civilian. That's all. I'm sorry I misunderstood.

That (combined with believing Thunal was town) was part of why I took the leap of faith and voted for him. The fact that his entire catchup seemed to be about Scotty bothered me, although what that means for/about Scotty I don't know anymore. It was SO overt, in my Scotty=town mindset, I was viewing it as a set up. I know Epi can be blunt, but Epi can also be subtle, and uses his bluntness as a mask at times.

But as I said, my Scotty reader is totes fucked up, so I'm going to stop arguing either way.

Yeah I can’t defend how Epi talked about me. It was pretty over the top at times with how much he wanted thread to know I was town. Obviously I know it’s a TMI read but can see how suspicious that looks in the most WIFOM-y way.

In my reread, what really stands out (since I know I’m town) was that one quote where he included ‘Scotty and falcon’ as town, since he hadn’t really talked about falcon prior to that. Why did he include falcon in there?

I reread ISOs for Epis reads and I can get with that.

Just because the way Falcon came in with the insta vote felt more organic than Epis(and tbh felt like a very Falcony thing in general) doesn’t mean it’s AI. Then when I poked him for that “I don’t wish wolves well” post and he poked back at me fairly hard. As soon as I dropped it, he dropped having me in his POE.

Clarification: Imma stop arguing either way re Scotty w v t.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:27 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:08 pm you are indirectly on to something though with the point about epi's capacity: what was epi's goal with his play? was he just inactive and doing his best under the circumstances, or was there a specific intended result in mind?

and with that in mind, and another read of his ISO, I come to the conclusion that...

there doesn't really seem to be a discernible agenda unless the intent was to WIFOM scotty

most of his posting revolved around nutella and scotty, and then banter

multiple, MULTIPLE instances of epi insisting that scotty isn't mafia though

spoilered quotes below

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:36 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:19 pm Sorry about the condescension- I’m just kinda disappointed we just lost our PRs with no real trade off and dealing with the fact that there’s nothing to solve any more and I’ve now been tricked into playing a mountainous game. I hate mountainous

Scotty isn't mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:10 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:19 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:37 pm I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.

How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:41 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:55 pm i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved

Why did you suspect Scotty here?

One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:45 pm I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.

Hmmmm
******************
Yo, check this progression:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 am Hmmmm

Yeah never mind it isn't scotty


Why don't you think I believe my reads scotty?

Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:12 pm I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:38 pm In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.

I absolutely loathe this post.

At this point we were trying to find a consensus since we had a lot of spread locked votes. If you read other peoples posts from this time frame, everyone in the thread (except Nutella who was kinda mocking us, lol) we ALL were doing this. The people trying to find someone we all could agree on vs the people who wanted to default to Rico.

I kinda pushed her to vote Sean after he had gotten a third vote. He was a null for me.

This is all about how EOD went and zero about progression. Thinal, along with Dizzy, we’re considering Rico.

This usage of what happened at EOD to somehow make a “poor progression” argument on the person least responsible for Sean’s yeet is disingenuous in the extreme to my POV.

I can’t even say how much I hate this.

Too bad that Scotty isn't mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:37 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:14 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 am alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

K

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Scotty/Epi partners? He pays some lip service to a me/Epi team but as soon as Marmot votes Epi, he immediately votes me. I very easily could see this as trying to save Epi.

I'm not mafia. So have fun with that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:32 pm I don't think falcon or Scotty is mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:03 pm I'm finally off work and can put the nutella - Scotty thing in the Viewfinder.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:09 pm Scotty
Syn

Seanzie
Marmot
Thunal

Dyslexicon
S~V~S

Epignosis
Falcon
Ricochet
Lime Coke


Off the cuff tiers. Still plenty of shifting

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 11:52 pm Would not vote:
Syn
Seanzie
Scotty
Marmot

Somewhere in between / no firm stance:
Thunal
Dyslexicon
SVS
Epignosis

Would vote:
Lime Coke
Falcon
Rico

nutella seems to like Scotty so far.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:26 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:08 pm Okay, on nutella's third page, there's a turn against Scotty.

I don't see it. Sorry nut.

See what?

I don't need you to agree with my thoughts. I just wanted you to see that I had them. Since you had such a shallow understanding of my play.

I mean I have Scotty as a civilian. That's all. I'm sorry I misunderstood.

That (combined with believing Thunal was town) was part of why I took the leap of faith and voted for him. The fact that his entire catchup seemed to be about Scotty bothered me, although what that means for/about Scotty I don't know anymore. It was SO overt, in my Scotty=town mindset, I was viewing it as a set up. I know Epi can be blunt, but Epi can also be subtle, and uses his bluntness as a mask at times.

But as I said, my Scotty reader is totes fucked up, so I'm going to stop arguing either way.

Also, I don't trust my own opinion on Scotty at this point, I somehow broke it sometime between (game) yesterday and now.

But odds are good I'll sheep Thunal today, and trust her opinion.

I will be home all day, but have lots of stuff to do so will be in and out of here.

I won't vote for Thunal, I won't vote for Rico. Unless someone presents a smoking gun, I'm disinclined to vote Nutella.

I would be OK with Syn being a wagon if that's what he really wants. The other one I'm open on.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:35 pm Falcon made the point that I was looking to make today, which is: Rico should not be cleared here, despite his insistence that he should.

I’ve been fooled by a super busser several times recently where the town collectively decided ‘oh, that makes no sense to come from a partner’.

But think about the game state. There’s only 2 wolves. If someone is going down eventually, as Epi was most likely, the partner has to get to the end. How does one do that? Hedging, if you don’t want to ever bus. Or make a direct attack on your partner when it seems unlikely.

Let’s look at the peripherals:
Rico suddenly became a sentient human today, which is a departure from the…odd, fragmented posts reminiscent of Pinocchio first coming to life that he made all prior to epi’s demise.
He’s suddenly ready to play the game. How convenient.

If rico is wolf and wants to win the game, by just slanking into the ethers, he’s for sure doomed.

I’m gonna continue my iso of interactions but Rico is actually at the top of my list atm

But ... but ..... you said Epi was the marginally more important role!

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:27 pm I no longer think Thunal is woof



Which I am both pissed about and relieved

Her end of day and SVS’ overwhelming confidence really felt towny. She worked really hard to defend herself and the only other viable wagon would be her pack mate, who is…marginally more important? Like if I look at the roles, epi’s role would absorb some stuff, not the reverse. Again, this is minor, but I think would weigh in to who would want to live and die.

Why is it clearing for Thunal to make this vote (and I agree that it is), and unlikely for her to want to vote for her ("marginally more important") packmate but it somehow isn't clearing for Rico? Especially when his life wasn't on the line, and I was taking suspish from Nutella at that point for trying to rally a wagon on him earlier in the day?

Why is the relative importance of Epis role contributory to clearing one person, but not another?

The only scenario I see this happening in is if Epi is suiciding. But it doesn't look like he tried to replace. He put up a spirited series of catch up posts. One of his last posts he said this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:27 pm Ricochet has three fucking posts and I have two votes. Amazing.

Which is why I made that last ditch attempt to yeet Rico, I felt Epi had a point, he hooked me, and nearly reeled me in. And at the time he made that post, there was definitely enough time to add a viable candidate.

Speaking of suicide, not sure what to think, @Syn There are ways to get people to talk about your PoE other than "KILL ME FIRST!!!!!"

It's my experience that people who sacrifice themselves in games to their legacy get ignored more often than not.

It's beginning to get shades of reverse psychology, though. Several people came in here today, saying, "It's syn". And now by asking us to kill you, you may have talked us out of killing you, lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:55 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:44 am especially when you gave the good old college try at pushing elsewhere outside the POE, which my approach to this situation very specifically prevents anyone from trying to do

“Push outside the POE” as if THE poe is what you dictate, eh?

Listen Syn, you seem to be taking the aggressive approach here that you are the sacrificial lamb, and I am not deadset on voting you. You seem to be bringing that upon yourself

Almost feels like reverse psychology.

The only way I see wolf Rico making the vote that yeeted Epi is if Epi no longer was able to play. And I don’t know that I can envision Epi sabotaging his partner in that way.

Rico could have voted Thunal, or he could have voted Syn. I don’t see any benefit from chucking his high value wolf partner, Epi, for cred.

Anything is possible but I think it’s really improbable.

I just read the last few posts, I’ll finish seeing Scotty’s catch up in the AM.

Well, he’ll need time to absorb, he prolly got @ ed about 100 times day one after he left. So I’ll be back in the AM, happy pm guys

I don’t know, Epis main criteria for town reading people was their position on Scotty.

That seems a bit … overt? I mean he was being all bombastic about people shading Scotty at all.

Seems more like setting Scotty up?

Again, I want yo hear from Scotty before I even decide what I think, lol.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:01 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:51 pm Why did you vote me?

Because my PoE is quite narrow and I think you fit the best. Your case on Nutella was bad in a wolfy way and you never addressed it. I feel like you're throwing out suspicion to see what sticks. As far as why I chose that moment to vote you, I wanted you to be a wagon today and I wanted to vote you before I had to leave for a few hours.

@falcon45ca well I’ve been town reading her pretty much all game.

Then there’s that up there. She voted Epi early. The mechanics of this game forces narrow voting patterns. Voting for her partner, who already had a vote from Marmot, would be a very odd move. I could see it if Epi was giving up, but he made a pretty credible effort to catch up.

With locked votes an early bus on her partner would be suboptimal. And neither she nor Epi are suboptimal wolves. It would also be a huge risk, since she already had a vote on her, too. With a 2 person team, both with a vote already, they’d be more likely to try to promote a third party. And Syn also had a vote. Voting her partner in this scenario makes no sense.

I could buy it without the locked votes, but the locked votes are very limiting; I don’t imagine they’d limit themselves even more by early bussing for no reason.

It’s not *impossible* but it’s not very likely imo.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:11 am Syn
SVS
Scotty
nutella
Thunal
Rico
falcon
Epi


I feel pretty solid about the upper half of this list. Nutella I could still see being wrong on, but I'm very content with a townread there for now.

Solve is prolly in Rico, Thunal & I




Or is that too obvious?

Rico’s vote broke the tie between Thunal and Epi. He yeeted Epi.

So I doubt either of them was Epis partner. I need to read some ISOs. Right now I’m mainly waiting for Scotty.

And happier is good.

Linki town Falcon seems more spirited, for lack of a better word lol.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:06 pm if everyone is set on the syn/scotty/falcon POE, my interest is in picking who gets flipped after me

falcon looks more blatant than scotty, which makes me hesitate

but I felt similarly with epi and very obviously got burned on that

I’m not set on anything yet, tbh.

I want to hear from Scotty, LOTS had changed since he left on his trip. Lots.

I came into yesterday pretty positive Scotty was town, that his Thunal tunnel was t/t. I really want to see how he reacts to all this.

After an initial raised brow, Falcon has looked mostly ok to me, but I don’t always read him very well.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:42 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:10 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:23 pm damn now that there's a shot I kinda wanna play

though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol

wyrd kill

from epignosis' stances alone, i'd rank syn most likely (banter, poking, nothing lethal), falcon possible (banter, null to lack of read), scotty possible

that's a reasonable poe to clear and solve

My main concern with Nutella, based on Epis posts and back and forth with her, is that the two of them were all in each others faces and saying, "Imma kill you!", but neither of them tried to actually kill the other. But that's tinfoil for me. But I might still want to POE her?

@Syn yeah, I kinda expected it to be me, too, lol. And my final post count for today will be 183, I'm writing it down to remember it. I had no idea what it was supposed to be yesterday, and i think i came close-ish.

nutella, and I'll add myself, are in "why would wolf them do this to epig" camp. Wolf me could/would have sunk thunal. Wolf nutella did all the work to have a very strong shot at sinking thunal, backtracked very last stretch. Wolf you, I imagine, would have found a way to not sink the wolfmate; would have not looked impeccable, but the wolfmate living another day is the better trade.

From this logic viewpoint, townclear strength is me, then nutella, then SVS.

If town can agree with this and appreciate at least one more town read, I think we have the f7-f5-f3 votes to virtually elim the wolfmate.

Yeah that’s why I called Nutella my tinfoil. I pretty much always thinks she’s bad, so I always have tinfoil, but never much try to do anything with it. She’s my opposite of Dom, who could be capering around the thread in a Satan costume going, bwa ha ha, and I’d be townreading him.

I’ll trust other peoples reads of her over my own.

How caught up are you?

But yeah, the fact that they killed Marmot, not Thunal, it's gotta be in his posts.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:11 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:01 pm
Of the Epi voters, I have the least cred; I get a little for tying it, but I didn't think he was smoking gun bad, just kinda maybe bad.

not sure this is true. you were paramount for it not being a thunal chop, enough so that it made you look partnered with thunal until the epi flip lol

Well, thanks, but I'm trying to view it from an outsider perspective. I did actively try to yeet Rico instead of Thunal/Epi/you. A vote for Epi (had Rico not voted) would have brought *me* some cred, but there would still be a 50% chance of yeeting "not Epi". That would be the argument I'd make against a person in my position, and it's not invalid. I think we tend to clear people easier than we should.

So to me towniness based on that vote: Rico> Marmot> Thunal> SVS, with Thunal and Marmot kinda the same. So I'm townier than the people who didn't vote for Epi, but not as towny as Marmot, Thunal or Rico.

And you know, I forgot that post Nutella made, about me/Thunal being w/w. That sounded pretty sincere, about us being teamed. Bonus points for her. Woofy Nutella, knowing her partner is going down, does she make that post? I have to look at the timing, but I think not.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:23 pm damn now that there's a shot I kinda wanna play

though I also want to win with just 16 posts lol

wyrd kill

from epignosis' stances alone, i'd rank syn most likely (banter, poking, nothing lethal), falcon possible (banter, null to lack of read), scotty possible

that's a reasonable poe to clear and solve

My main concern with Nutella, based on Epis posts and back and forth with her, is that the two of them were all in each others faces and saying, "Imma kill you!", but neither of them tried to actually kill the other. But that's tinfoil for me. But I might still want to POE her?

@Syn yeah, I kinda expected it to be me, too, lol. And my final post count for today will be 183, I'm writing it down to remember it. I had no idea what it was supposed to be yesterday, and i think i came close-ish.

Also Thunal, shhh.

Out of Epis yeet, Rico comes across most ironclad town (sorry i tried to execute you there, my dude, glad to see you show up. I won't call you Ricostiltskin again). Next comes Marmot, who started the wagon.

Under these circumstances, starting a wagon on a teammate enforces a fixed focus on Epi, so Marmot was pretty much cleared imo. Thunal, about the same. She was voting to save herself, true, but she voted fairly early when it easily could have gone another way. There was room to add another person to the three way tie (as I noted, there were 4 plus Rico who had not voted; we could have made a 4th wagon, and that was even after Thunal voted. She made no attempt to start a 4th wagon, or even to vote for Syn.

If Rico hadn't shown up to vote, it went to random.

Of the Epi voters, I have the least cred; I get a little for tying it, but I didn't think he was smoking gun bad, just kinda maybe bad.

So Marmot and Thunal are pretty conventional targets, especially being as the killer could not have known Rico would show up to start playing. And it looks like he maybe did some reading in the night.

Gonna read Marmot and Epi tonight.

K good luck in the night all, hope Epi is bad.

It’s a gorgeous evening to take the dog to the park.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:50 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:49 pm Sorry for not posting I was at a concert

who should i vote

It's 3 me, 2 Epi but SVS is likely going to vote Epi to make it 3-3. I think Epi has a good chance of being a hit.

Sure why not. His entire catch up and reads list seemed to revolve around whether or not a person townread Scotty. And the entrance was so sketch imo.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:37 pm blatantly defending a partner who is also known to be a good wolf would be poor play.

Like why though lol. It's obviously not? Bussing is soooooo two thousand and late

I was unaware of this. I’m so two thousand and late myself, so it fits

It’s not ATE. Not at all. It’s coming from a place of game experience and respect for a good player, I guess.

Even though I’m not one this game, I want to remind everyone that I’m a pretty skilled wolf and blatantly defending a partner who is also known to be a good wolf would be poor play.

So I’m not just talking to you I’m talking to everyone who ever played with me.

No ATE. Just truth.

Now really lol sitting in parking lot instead of driving ha ha

I’m just frustrated, Nutella. I’ve been trying to get us to all work together. And no one seems interested in that, just in bitching post game that town never wins on TS.

I am also frustrated because it absolutely astonishes me that you would think I’m such an awful wolf.

Im leaving work will be back to vote.

What I was apparently being too subtle about was trying to get us to act together like an actual town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:39 pm In case I go over, here you go:

Falcon - Good
Marmot - Bad
Nutella - Bad (Still owe a reread though)
Ricochet- ???
Scotty - Good
S~V~S - ???
Syn - Purple
Thunal - Bad

@Thunal33 looks like Epi will vote you if he shows, my vote won’t matter. So if I were you I’d start trying to convince him.

“Subtly” my ass ha ha ha, that’s hilarious

I feel so stupid.

Linki, oh thank god. I *should* be home by then.

Tinfoiling not “to doing”, boo autocorrect.

“Subtly” lol

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:45 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:54 pm It's Thunal and SVS guys lol.

I have been town-reading SVS but this EOD and now Thunal's response makes a lot of sense with this world

I've been thinking it for a while now. SVS has been gradually-subtly-but-now-not-so-subtly steering away from a Thunal yeet while putting on a feigned nonchalance. Idk how else to explain it but I think that most of her posts from today fit with this agenda.

“Subtly”?

I’ve been aggressively town reading her the whole game

At first I was perplexed that you, who has known me longer than anyone in this game could possibly think I was such an unskilled baddie, I was almost offended, lol, but now I get it.

Good luck pushing this tomorrow Nutella.

Everything Thinal is saying right now makes a ton of sense to me. I’ve been to doing it since my catch up last night.

I’ll have to vote before EOD, so bb shortly.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:54 pm It's Thunal and SVS guys lol.

No offense but that is the dumbest bs I’ve ever ever heard in a game.

I’m walking away till eod c’ya

@Syn also looking at that “I’m aware of that post”, in retrospect it sounds snarky and I didn’t mean it that way.

I’m frustrated with myself and my inability to herd all these cats and try to get us to act like a town, not a hermits collective.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:48 pm I have entered the stage of indifference

It’s nice here, isn’t it?

I’m aware of that thanks, and why would I even try? it’s not optimum anyhow, it was a desperation thing on my part. I don’t want to yeet low posters, but I do want us to work together.

My main point in trying was that I didn’t really like any of the options other people forced me into.

So I’m rapidly losing interest in caring who goes over since we’re all acting like a bunch of prima donnas rather than even trying to work together.

So sorry, I’m not feeling it either.

Me neither. But I don’t want to vote Thunal or Syn, and don’t think the case on Epi is strong.

I thought you suspected Epi?

Ricostiltskin, Ricostiltskin, Ricostiltskin!

We should all take turns posting, “Let’s yeet Rico”, and wait for him to show up.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:42 am Well I think that if Thunal is mafia you're her most likely partner so this post doesn't really help with that. But I wouldn't hard oppose a Rico vote atp.

Wow you think I would be so overt? I am surprised by this. Like really lol.

Although low posters aren’t my favorite, between the post cap, weekend trips and flash voters, we’re stuck without a viable candidate we can all agree on that’s yeetable. So I could vote Rico. If Sun and Epi agree, I’d rather do that than move forward from here without Scotty.

Lolol last *LIST*