The Syndicate

Mongoose wrote:STOKED.

Glad you all liked the dishes and coffee drinks I created! I had a little too much fun doing that.

that really was the perfect role for you; they were so creative and interesting. I would not have had the patience.

yay civvies

I am so amazed I was not NKed lolol

I tried so hard not to be obvious about having vague info~ knowing the indies needed me dead made me very paranoid. I thought Eloh was Miss Brahms, i think I made quite a few errors that way.

Well, since I made 9 posts in a row continuously miscalling Senor Rapa Testa, Senor "MALA" Testa, I think I am very likely toast since I doubt everyone will change their votes to Senor Rapa Testa in order to save me.

If I die, though, lynch him next, K? I think FZ is onto something

He's also been told the opposite. Sometimes I think we all tend to overanalyze minutiae. I know I do.

And I am not sure how refraining from voting would mean anything since that is just a theory about the voting

Hell, I actually changed it to that in posts I quoted just to be safe.

Mega Epic Facepalm

LOL, I really did think it was Mala Testa.

I guess I am screwed.

Yeah, it was an interesting theory, though

I never would have thought of that not being able to vote thing. someone would have to be creative to get away with that.

EBWOP re the post about MP being the Manageress, he voted today, though, FZ. Still an interesting theory, though.

OK, after doing that analysis, I convinced myself (although, to be fair to Senor Mala Testa, I did also say that i could not see what would change my mind) that even if Sr. Mala Testa is not the last management member, he is not a civvie. And i do think he is Management, though. I think the fact that a few people I am pretty sure are civvies won't even listen to what FZ says (they keep commenting on the fact that she is saying things, not what she is actually saying) makes me even surer.

*Votes Senor Mala Testa*

Now I am gonna do house stuff, then go to my parents & go swimming

Epignosis wrote:The Staff

Miss Blooper Waffles; possible Maintenance
Mr. Boogs Civ or Maintenance IMO, prolly civ though
Mr. Dom - Sacked at 11:00am. I think he was civ
Mme. Effzi I do not think she is a baddie, i am leaning civ though
Mrs. Eloh I think she's a civ
Mrs. Essviess I know she is a civ
Ms. Goosey Possible Maintenance
Mr. Person - Sacked at 9:00am. Probably civ
Mr. Pictures I think FZs theory here is an interesting 7 a plausible one; I do not think he is bad in any case
Mr. Porcupine - Ousted at 12:00pm. Mr. Tebbs
Mr. Rey - Ousted at 10:00am. Young Mr. Grace
Mr. Snowy - Sacked at 2:00pm. Likely civ
Ms. Sorsha - Ousted at 8:00am. Mr. Spooner
Senor Mala Testa I think he is Management, if not then Maintenance. Not a civ, though.
Mr. Vomperdoodle - Ousted at 12:00pm Old Mr. Grace

8 Employed
7 Unemployed

My opinions are in BLUE

Elohcin wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Boogs wrote:I still think it's FZ regardless or your assessment Mp. Either you're doing a really bad job on your accusation, or you're the Baddie and not FZ lol. I've got to cast my vote on FZ to make sure we can win this game. I will be busy tomorrow again at the convention, so that's what I am going with. I will try to check in to see if anything changes, but not likely.

I'd like to see someone follow follow you. Not.
I get the feeling you haven't read anything I've written written in the last few days, and I don't like how you're set in your mind. I don't think going after after me as a baddie would make much sense for you, so you're either a very misguided civvie or an independent role.

I also find it weird that Elo doesn't see anything wrong with with Signore Rapa Testa.I would understand deciding to vote for someone else because that person seemed more suspicious, but completely ignoring how Signore Rapa Testa is playing this game is just just baffling me. This is true for both her and Boogs, so I can see the two of them possibly possibly being maintenance.

Actually that's exactly what I said. I said I found mongoose "more suspicious".

Do you have an opinion on the rest of what FZ has said here?

Senor Mala Testa wrote:I may have been third/fourth to vote for Rey but I was the first to bring up that his vote for Elo on Day 1 seemed off. Maybe others didn't vote for him based on my ping but I raised suspicion of him earlier than my late vote suggests. You're quick to give Boogs credit for agreeing with you about Rey, but you ignore that I was one of the first to be suspicious of him too.

Now see, I do not think his vote for Elo is what made him suspicious, but then i am a civvie. I think that, after she was not lynched, continuing to think what he thought, not seeing a reason to change how he felt about her, is what made him bad. I also voted for Elo with him, but the next day i was the first to vote for him when I did not like the answer he gave.

Senor Mala Testa, I definitely thing you are Senor Mala Something (I took French mostly, lol) and you are getting my vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for your thoughts, Elo!

Interesting that you find Blooper to be genuine. Hmmmm.
You don't? She sounds it to me. What do you think?

Also, I got through my SVS reread as well. No specific pings :/ Mongoose is next, I may be able to finish reading her before I go to sleep...we shall see. The rest will have to wait for tomorrow.
I don't know; I think she is most likely to be not genuine to me after TH, but maybe I'm wrong.

Given only one baddie and any random number of independents remain, it's probable you may not find too many people sounding not genuine. But I'm interested in what you think nonetheless. Let me know if you have any ideas on Maintenance members.

I have waffled to the extreme on Blooper. There were times she seemed fairly civ to me, making sensible remarks, then other times she seemed pretty waffly & evasive. So she is definitely in the grey area.

I also like Elos quick recaps, I don't always agree with them, but it is nice to see where everyone else is.

FZ. wrote:
The way I see it right now is the following:
Senor Mala Testa is the last baddie
MP is the canteen manageress that has a role that prevents him from voting, and he needs to survive without ever voting (just a hunch)
SVS is a civvie who is the most likely to die tonight, so if anyone can prevent that, it would be nice.
Elo is more likely a civ than a maintenance, but could go either way.
I think Mongoose is maintenance.
One of the others is the other maintenance

This is pretty close to how I feel actually, i have a role in mind for Elo, and think she is a civ. If Senor M-T is NOT the last baddie, then he is Maintenance, I don;t see how he can be a civ.

An yeah, also thanks for pointing this out, I dislike to the extreme people who make posts like , "OMG I am sure I am gonna die tonight", so I never do it, but yeah, i thought i was gonna die last night, I was pretty surprised i did not.

FZ. wrote:
Boogs wrote:I still think it's FZ regardless or your assessment Mp. Either you're doing a really bad job on your accusation, or you're the Baddie and not FZ lol. I've got to cast my vote on FZ to make sure we can win this game. I will be busy tomorrow again at the convention, so that's what I am going with. I will try to check in to see if anything changes, but not likely.

I'd like to see someone follow follow you. Not.
I get the feeling you haven't read anything I've written written in the last few days, and I don't like how you're set in your mind. I don't think going after after me as a baddie would make much sense for you, so you're either a very misguided civvie or an independent role.

I also find it weird that Elo doesn't see anything wrong with with Signore Rapa Testa.I would understand deciding to vote for someone else because that person seemed more suspicious, but completely ignoring how Signore Rapa Testa is playing this game is just just baffling me. This is true for both her and Boogs, so I can see the two of them possibly possibly being maintenance.

This this this this this, 1,000 times THIS!!!! ^^^

I think I have an idea WHY this is happening, but the fact that an alternative is not being considered is disturbing to me. I do not think Elo is Maintenance, not sure what to think about Boogs.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Boogs wrote:I still think it's FZ regardless or your assessment Mp. Either you're doing a really bad job on your accusation, or you're the Baddie and not FZ lol. I've got to cast my vote on FZ to make sure we can win this game. I will be busy tomorrow again at the convention, so that's what I am going with. I will try to check in to see if anything changes, but not likely.
So because I disagree with you on FZ., if the baddie isn't FZ., it must be me? Why?

This is also a very good point. Like FZ said, he is not listening, and I think he does not WANT to listen. And being closed minded in Mafia seldom leads to a good place, IMO.

Elohcin wrote:Okay...I am pretty confident that MP is civvie As for Signore Rapa Testa...he has contributed more than mongoose. He's made cases, shared opinions, etc. FZ seems to have been on him since the very beginning of the game which is weird to me. I'm not sure why, but it is weird. It is like she picked to go after him from the get go. Anyway....I think Mongoose is more likely to be bad than Signore Rapa Testa. I will vote for her for now at least. And then I am off to get some sleep. Morning comes very quickly in our house...stupid summer sun!

Do you think sharing opinions makes one a civvie, regardless of what those opinions are?

And what is your opinion on what FZ has said about Senor Rapa Testa since the beginning of the game?

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Votes Signore Rapa Testa

Might as well. Can't see my mind changing at all. Let's get this over with.

Wow...what was quick. I am not going to be so hasty. I think we ought to hear from Signore Rapa Testa first. I mean...isn't the case against him just that he has been quiet? You've been quiet too MP.

If you had to vote now, who would YOU vote for?

I am inclined to vote for Signore Rapa Testa as well, tbh. I just want to do some reading to see if i can figure out when things changed, what night people started believeing something I believe to be false. But i think i will be voting for him in the AM. And no, it's a lot more than simply "he's been quiet", lol.

You really should read FZs posts before you blow them off. And her tone; if she is not sincere, and is a baddie, I will replace the "I rezzed the SK" in my sig with something about her. I will be shocked if she is bad, but i will be far from shocked if Signore Rapa Testa is bad.

And I will prolly vote in the AM before I go out for the day. But like MP I am not sure if anything will change my mind.

Re: Are You Being Served? [3:00pm] ...with Tofu

...with Tofu

Re: Are You Being Served? [3:00pm] Also went with Nine Inch Kales.

Also went with Nine Inch Kales.

Can you show me hoe her voting record makes her baddie? Her record is fairly similar to mine, tbh. I am not seeing it.

I just want to point out, if this is an issue, and i do not know if it is, since I have never met Miss Brahams, but people DO make false role claims. I have won more than one game as a baddie by doing so in selective civ BTS.

I have no info to say FZ is civ, for sure, but I seriously do not see how she is bad, and I certainly do not see how DPs lynch made you suddenly come out of the gate with, "OK, FZ has gotta go"

I would lay that more on the people who piled on DP at the end, not on FZ.

I have to agree, if anyone is falling into a facade it is not me IMO.

Boogs wrote:Rip DP :/ That means FZ has to be the last Baddie in my book. I think this trying to sway Mp and others to TH is balogna and cheese.

Um wat??

Re: Are You Being Served? [3:00pm] What an awful result.

What an awful result.

I know, but after this vomp came in and stuck his neck out pretty far for Rey. Maybe it was a 50/50 strategy?

I am most inclined to trust you, though. Does this poll really end in less than two hours??

I have to go to work in a sec, big meeting, i am SURE I will not have time to think about this anymore than I already have.

I am gonna trust you, FZ. TH it is.

nijuukyugou wrote:Busy weekend; graduation, father's day, etc. Thoughts:

a) I'm confused. No one seems to be discussing possibilities for why Sorsha was lynched instead of Eloh on Day 1 (or hour one, or whatever we call it). Eloh says she knows why she was saved, and that seemed to be the end of the conversation. Not that I'm particularly pinged by her, but I'm curious as to the lack of reaction or even mention of it. Slow day, perhaps?

b) The lynch train on Rey. I check back and the majority of votes are on him, for various reasons that I don't find sound (piggybacking a vote, not suspecting people enough, etc). Not enough evidence for me to vote him.

c) On the line of thinking about Rey, I find Boogs' "arguments" against Rey to be more suspicious to me. He kept accusing Rey of things he didn't do (changing his vote, being all over the place, etc), while he himself was actually guilty of changing his vote on Day 1 and being "all over the place" with his accusations for me, FZ, Rey, Sorsha, and Vomps. Rey seems to be the only person he's been persistently against, and for reasons that don't seem well-researched.

Voting Boogs.

It has also led me to kinda take a harder took at Blooper. Although her early vote for Vomps kinda belies it a bit, since I know everyone is, "But distancing" all game every game, but I see a lot less baddie early distancing than I see baddie early trying to keep teammates alive.

Still not sure what i am gonna do.

(Sorry for the multiple posts, but the embed limit bit my butt and I just decided to split it into sections).

Especially since soon after TH makes this vote Vomps comes in and tries pretty hard to save Rey (I had to remove a few quotes from this embed, phpbb hated it the way it was):

Vompatti wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I still think Dom is bad, but I have a feeling it might be best not to vote for him today.
Why? And why DP?
Because it seems it's either DP or Rey and I'm not particularly suspicious of either.

Vompatti wrote:
FZ. wrote:So last day you told me Rey was an option, you were not serious? Also, if you're not suspicious of either of the two, why did you choose DP over Rey?
I could see myself voting for Rey but it would be a gamble. I voted for DP because he had less votes and I like close polls.

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I don't see a team working this way, essentially throwing both Rey & Vomps under the bus to save TH, basically, with the cred he gains for this lynch in my mind.

I have read quite a bit and it only left me confused, lol.

Posts like this lead me to think TH could have been Vomps teammat, it is sooooo waffly:

Turnip Head wrote:I feel like Vompatti usually votes for himself, but he hasn't done so in this game. Maybe he's trying to switch up his style or maybe he has some baddie teammates trying to coach him into a more traditional style. Either way, I feel he always gets lynched for acting odd and it's often a crapshoot as to what his alignment is. I don't think I've played a traditional game where Vompatti was a baddie though. I do think his playstyle here has been a bit more "off" than usual.

When does the poll end?

BUT I don't see how Reys teammate could have thrown him under the bus so cavalierly as in this post at a point when there were LOTS left to vote:

Turnip Head wrote:I have no idea when this poll ends. I'm voting for Rey. I think his vote for Elo yesterday was weird, and his defenses have a certain indignation to them that I don't associate with civvie Rey. Civvie Rey is generally more interested in catching baddies, not just fending off attacks from himself.

HOWEVER...... (I reached the embedded quote limit, so I had to cut up my post, to be continued)

MP, I don't think FZ is bad. I just don't, I don't know that I have been all that successful at reading her, but all the reasons people seem to have for thinking she is bad are things i think are open to interpretation. And i feel that people are interpreting them in the worst possible light, while i have not seen her posts that way at all.

I hope to potentially reread a large part of the thread tonight, especially as it relates to the known Management, and also TH, to see if i can see what FZ sees.

There are lots of different insanifiers with different settings. I have a few links I looked up for Russti.

Other than supposition, why are you guys suspecting FZ?

I will be rereading TH post work tonight to she if I see what FZ sees.

Boogs wrote:Rip Snow :/ so what are we thinking guys? It could be plausible to give FZ a chance and try a different person today. Do you guys agree with DP maybe being the other teammate or what do you suggest as possible candidates?

I plan to take FZs suggestion and reread TH.

Boogs, she led the charge on Vomps much more so than you did, I had to force you to say you were as suspish of him as you were of FZ.

Also going with Yuck~

And yay Dead Baddie

Bye Vomps

OK. So i threw Vomps name out because two people I feel OK-ish about both seemed to suspect each other, but both suspected Vomps as well. For all the reasons other people have said, I think it very possible Vomps is bad. So I am voting there.

"You" and the whole last post was aimed @Boogs. I posted through the linki.

Thank You for your reply

So this is interesting; FZ suspects Vomps, you suspect FZ due to her thread association with Vomps, who you say you also suspect.

So lets lynch Vomps, and see if you BOTH are right

My question is, is Vomps equally on your radar?

Quick question for Boogs; if you still have FZ on your radar, I am guessing it would be for the supposed slip thing, where she joked (imo) as if she were Vomps BTS partner?

If that is the case, why is Vomps not also on your radar?

FZ. wrote:I really hope I have time to stop by and vote before work tomorrow.

My suspects are:
TH, I have no idea how no one sees it, so maybe I'm wrong. SVS, you and TH are supposed to be good at reading each other, right? Do you feel like he's being his regular civvie self? I think that when he voted, Rey was the only one with 3 votes (mine was there too). I think he might have seen a team mate going down and decided to throw him under the bus. Furthermore, his reasoning was practically repeating what I and others have said about Rey, yet I'm used to civvie TH finding these things sooner. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit as a civvie, but last time I felt that way about him, he turned out a baddie.

Vompatti- I keep going back and forth with him. I think he took the "my jokes are too obvious to be true" to a whole new level, so that pinges me. In addition, his whole behavior surrounding the votes for Rey last day struck me as fishy, mostly because a day before he said he would be good with voting for him, yet yesterday he said he wasn't that suspicious of him, and then he ended up voting for him after I took off my vote and changed it to him. I get that he wanted to make sure he wouldn't be lynched, but I also felt like he allowed himself to do it only when Rey already voted for himself. Is he the kind to throw his team under the bus or is he a loyal baddie?

So unless someone convinces me otherwise, I'll be here tomorrow morning to vote for one of them. Going to sleep on it. Sorry for the long post

Why do you say this? I think we both tend to suspect each other more than trust each other, regardless of affiliation. TH is really smooth, and has a fairly good balance between his bad & good games. One time I can recall that I clearly picked him out as bad, he was disguised and was trying to play differently than is usual for him. I also picked him out for bad in Roxys game at KSite, and he has NOT given me that feel here. I will read him tonight, though, along with my Dom reread.

I am told Vomp is a pretty loyal teammate, but I have seen him do very quixotic things so

Re: Are You Being Served? [12:00pm] Aw Dom Time for a Dom reread.

Aw Dom

Time for a Dom reread.

That must have been one hell of a car wreck.

Yay

And I will go with It's beginning to look A Lot Like Chrysanthemum; it's delicate and smells lovely.

Yay for being able to change votes

I accidentally voted for myself, so officially *Voted Reywas*

reywaS wrote:
S~V~S wrote:OK, I need to do some rereading.

Rey, has your opinion changed regarding your last vote?
No. I've seen nothing to change my mind yet. Have you?

You really did not see anything to make you change your mind? Maybe you need to think about that.

My back & forth with Boogs was predicated on Elo being his partner, but i no longer see that as being the case.

After reading FZ/THs post, I reread you, and I have to admit i am a bit worried about you, I think you piggy backed me a bit, which makes me feel even more worried. So I am gonna put a vote on you. i did not realize the poll ended so early, hope we don';t have a lot of no shows, but I have to get ready soon to go see my Dad, so voting now.

Also TH, what is your opinion of Boogs & of Eloh?

You are a zillion percent wrong about me. Rey, well, that leaves to be seen. When i voted Elos vote seemed opportunistic in the extreme. I still think so, but apparently someone disagreed with me. Certainly, I am not infallible.

I want to hear more from them. I waffle on Rey, and have no idea re TH.

And in this game, no, not really. The old school LP/Piano players like to NK low posters, and the only old school people playing are me & TH; Dom too, and to some extent, MP, but both of them have always been more strategic players. But i have not seen TH doing that in recent games, since he came back from hiatus.

I agree re Rey & TH.

And it really depends on the person doing the killing. Some people like to NK low posters, since the game is more fun with people who play. Some like to kill HIGH posters since chatty people can chat too much; more of a strategic element.

OK, I need to do some rereading.

Rey, has your opinion changed regarding your last vote?

Even then, no. And yeah this works for you (based totally on you knowing the gender of the socks in X Men based on boob size alone) I know.

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