The Syndicate

I’m on mobile but I might actually answer that later, Sabi, just for you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:41 pm I said I wanted to kill Creature yesterday. I said I'd kill Roxy if the towncore said so. And they did so we did.

I'm not avoiding responsibility for that. I voted Roxy. I didn't case someone else.

But thinking it's me and Creature is so blatantly wrong it's kinda gross.

this is not a compelling argument for you and creature not being W/W, considering that roxy was the obvious consensus elimination yesterday from the moment that the day started

there was no real risk of creature dying yesterday (at least to my perception) so pushing on him would also be low-risk if you're W/W

Ffs.

We’re so screwed.

Here’s another real thought.

Town Creature will complain about how we’re screwed on D1. It’s D4 with no wolf deaths. Why is he not bitching up a storm?

Imma be honest, I don’t know what polarized even means.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

Yes actually. W! Jack could easily identify that Seanzie VS Mac that's currently going on enables momentum towards either side.

I asked you as I didn't find your intention that of hunting for data on Mac, rather just shading.

I believed this to be implied, forgive me.

Oh, I just wanted you to say it so I could say “I don’t think you really think that” and you’re not allowed to call me defensive.

Get rekt, fuzz ball.

Fuck it.

I’m gonna “bus Creature.”

Alison was the problem (which is fine, I’m often the problem) and most of my worldview is fine, esp with Mac trending down.

[VOTE: Creature.] aubergine

Creature’s the most obviously bussable obvious wolf and enough ppl putting Creature and I as a difference check, let’s dome that and the game is salvageable.

And if Creature is somehow town, we’re boned anyhow.

Sig, one of us has a photograph as an avatar and one of us has a drawing.

My deep discomfort with the gamestate and my deep discomfort with the state of the poll are kinda mixing together to give me a zen comfort.

We yeet Creature and play Persona 5 and stuggke with our wife and this is how the game is meant to progress.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:35 am bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

Pretty awful, honestly. :-/

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:58 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm Like if I'm jetisoning a strong townread, it's Mac, not SPF or Tutuu. Mac has been erratic and thrown out random accusations.

But why aren't any of those three dead? I didn't miss another mass redirect did I?

you sure this isn't omgus on mac? lol

I’m not sure, no.

There have been a couple recentish Tutuu posts I haven’t liked, esp ones that are aimed at SPF and Dennis so…fuqifino

Mac and SPF voting Creature. Nervoussipcat.jpg

Seanzie can be super frustrating as town but it’s a vibe and he’s got it and it moves him north on my readlist every time I see a post of his, even though I can have massively different views of the game.

Like if Mac and I disagree on everything, I tend to just assume Mac is a wolf. Contrast Seanzie.

I don’t trust anyone voting Bereft. Suggests Bereft is town.

SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:46 am @DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

Shoot Tutuu. This read developer after this ping but there is at least one wolf in yesterday’s towncore and Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day and Tutuu looks worse in it. Plus, SPF’s wrong reads (me, Roxy) are like understandable and Tutuu’s wolflist as of last night were just…nonsense that I can’t get to. Of all the towncore, it makes most sense for Tutuu to be the wolf and if she’s town, I need to massively reevaluate and a green Tutuu flip right now does that.

I think Creature is more likely to be a wolf but I don’t think yeeting Creature does a bunch to solve the game today in terms of a midday shot.

I probably shield Bereft. He’s the player with the most votes that I think is town. Maybe Seanzie or SPF though. I think they’re more likely town than Bereft but less likely to be yeeted anyway.

If Jack, Falcon, Seanzie, SPF, Bereft, Dennis are all still town, there are only 3 further town slots.

Oh shit I forgot Lucy. Only 2 town slots left or I’m pocketed.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:03 pm Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day

we barely talked to each other

Ya’ll we’re fighting right after I left yesterday and you’re fighting now. Ergo, you were fighting all day.

@DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

@DrWilgy no dont do it keep it steady

dude bereft is like jeff bezos. jack is like his executive PR guy. and we're amazon warehouse workers. i dunno about u wilgy but im tired of having to piss my pants every day

Like I know this is a joke but is the crux of this ever even a real thought that a townie has?

I developed a Bereft read in the last hour and I hate the rich.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

Eh, I'd rather it be Sig/Tutuu for reasons I've stated above.

I could swap off Bereft for Sig I think. Maybe SPF but idk if I'd move for anything else.

A vote for Tutuu sounds swell!

Don’t do this to me, ya’ll. I have the partial solve this time. I need my townreads to play nice together and my nulls to be bullied.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:22 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine

What are you even doing? Like I am wracking my brain for a world where your mindset as a townie when it’s D4 with no dead wolves and we have 2 misyeets left and no consensus and like…this is the way town Tutuu reacts to that situation. Not just this. Your last like six posts. You read like a wolf who is having fun cause she’s winning and is feeling no pressure and thinks she can power through.

@Seanzie
@staypositivefriend
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca

Ya’ll see this, right?

SPF is the only player I think is antialigned with Tutuu at first glance. If I’m wrong, show me who else is and why.

Lis ten to me

Wilgy won’t let me bully him. Ergo wolf.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:36 pm jack was the killing blow to my wim gg

(i am town)

Antispew

Imagine being a townie and just lol giving up because someone suspects you.

I’d crawl into a hole and never come out.

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:22 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine

What are you even doing? Like I am wracking my brain for a world where your mindset as a townie when it’s D4 with no dead wolves and we have 2 misyeets left and no consensus and like…this is the way town Tutuu reacts to that situation. Not just this. Your last like six posts. You read like a wolf who is having fun cause she’s winning and is feeling no pressure and thinks she can power through.

@Sabiplz
@MacDougall
@sig

Ya’ll too.

I feel like Tutuu’s mindset here can’t come from a townie, here. Follow me or argue or get outted or whatever.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

Nah. I think I can cheer myself up by yeeting a wolf.

Meanwhile in wolfchat…

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:57 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

Nah. I think I can cheer myself up by yeeting a wolf.

u couldnt find a wolf even if u were surrounded by nothing but wolves, kiddo. ud probably call urself a wolf

@staypositivefriend
@MacDougall
@falcon45ca
@Seanzie
@Porscha
@sig
@Sabiplz
@lucy
@Bereft

How can ya’ll read this as anything but a wolf taunting a townie?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:53 pm Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?

Kinda? Maybe?

Like…I appreciate you saying you see it but I feel like it’s gotten more blatant.

Also, didn’t we switch from
Jack: Creature or Tutuu
Wilgy: Tutuu or Sig
To
Jack: Tutuu or Creature
Wilgy: Creature or Sig

How did that happen right when I started pointing out Tutuu being wolfy?

Like I can’t think of wolf motivation for that switch, especially if Creature and Tutuu are both wolves anyway but ya know

There are 9 townies left. 5 wolves.

Almost always town - Jack, Lucy, SPF, Falcon, Bereft
Strong chance of being town - Dennis, Seanzie, Mac
Not wolfy but running out of town slots - Sabi, Wilgy, Sig, Porsha
Almost always wolves - Creature, Tutuu

Everything is in order of towniest to wolfiest except the four player null/poe pile.

Ftr, Mac moved back up as counterweight to Tutuu zooming downwards and iirc two of my townreads expressing continued confidence in town Mac. I still have issues with some of Mac’s play. Idk. I don’t think it ever matters today and I kinda just wanna just let it ride and work with Mac or have Mac bus.

But like….you can see how I really really want those 4 players to get on board with my worldview or fight me so as to alignment tell right now.

Why are Tutuu and Sig not aligned though?

To be in a wolf of where Tutuu is mafia and Sig and you are both town, there needs to be a wolf in my 6 top townreads.

Which isn’t impossible but maybe unlikely? Idk.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:33 pm Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:35 pm Jack still hasn't explained the game from his pov yet

I will do that right now if you’ll look at Tutuu or confess.

@Sabiplz

The following movie is based on a true story. The order of events has been changed and some events have been removed for dramatic effect/because my memory isn't that great/I skipped some pages.

Once upon a time, there was a nice group of people who liked children's card games but five of them were actually wolves.

On the first day, Alison was really scummy, practically mirroring her performance in king of the hill. SPF and Mac were pushing Creature for reasons that I forget but that seemed smart at the time but Jack didn't feel like yeeting Creature because Creature is generally easy to read and he figured they'd be sure post D1. SPF and Falcon especially seemed townie. Alison in particular pushed on Roxy and Jack. FS made a bit of a funny read like "I think A and B are T/T but actually vote B." It wasn't that but it was something like that, the kind of thing that you could read as dishonest without squinting too hard. So FS got flash wagoned and flipped town. Oh yeah and at some point, Lucy claimed oracle, a confirmed town role.

Then the night immediately ended because of a special card.

Jack was annoyed that FS had been yeeted because he had defended FS a bit D1 and also, didn't feel like FS had been discussed much at all while he was around. He voted Alison, as did several other players. Alison said that she believed Jack was town because if he was a wolf lol what was he even doing but that Roxy was still definately a wolf. The day ended immediately because of another special card. Alison as yeeted and fliped town.

Yet another special card redirected absolutely everything, including the mafia nk, which hit Neon, who flipped town.

At this point, it as no longer D1 and Creature was obviously not in his town meta. The meta case that SPF had made on Creature (something like wolves not jumping on universal suspicion of Creature being super sus) was in full force. Creature was not complaining or doing anything, really. Mac, SPF and Tutuu emerged as something of a towncore. Mac and SPF suspected Jack but also Creature (Mac jumped back and forth a bit on these reads iirc) and I guess also Roxy. And maybe so did Tutuu? Roxy took her ball and went home. Jack stated a strong scumread on Creature but didn't really have much on Roxy besides Alison's say so. In an effort to get SPF to stop tunneling him and especially to not derail a strong town read, Jack said that he'd let SPF or Tutuu control his vote. Tutuu told Jack to vote Roxy. SPF initially liked this move from Jack but later decided it was a pocket attempt. SPF voted iirc Creature and Jack asked if he should move there but she didn't ever answer him. Eventually, Roxy was yeeted and flipped town. Fuckadoodle. Somewhere along the lines, Rondo claimed oracle but didn't push Lucy. Most players seemed to take this as just Rondo fucking around and paid it no attention but Rondo used it to OMGUS push players who pushed him and Sig pushed us to yeet Rondo for obviously lying about a CC.

Then the wolves shot Rondo.

So.

The question became "If the towncore of Tutuu, Mac, SPF is town, why tf are wolves killing a null to town player like Rondo?" Then SPF and Tutuu got in a fight and wagonomics said Bereft was always town and Tutuu kinda exploded with obvious wolf pov and Creature just kept mehing along without doing any of his normal town Creature thing.

And then nobody listened to Jack even though he was totes right this time, I promise.

The end.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:35 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:33 pm Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

Where wolf? There wolf.

Sabi crashes harder than me playing Wings of Fury.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:02 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:35 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:33 pm Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

Where wolf? There wolf.

Sabi crashes harder than me playing Wings of Fury.

Tutuu: blahblidyblahbidyblahwolfystuff
Jack: My pov is that Tutuu's pov is wolfy. I don't see how a townie would have Tutuu's pov.
Sabi: I do not understand either Jack or Sabi's pov. I don't see how a townie would have Tutuu's pov and I also don't see how a townie would think "I don't see how a townie would have Tutuu's pov."

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:34 pm Why are Tutuu and Sig not aligned though?

To be in a wolf of where Tutuu is mafia and Sig and you are both town, there needs to be a wolf in my 6 top townreads.

Which isn’t impossible but maybe unlikely? Idk.

Because I don't think W Tutuu puts their teammate directly behind the easy yeet in this following quote:

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:23 am Final post for this day phase i jave work & wanna go 2 bed early

My legacy:

I think ROXY and SIG are outed and consensus mafia in anti-spewing

I think CREATURE, FALCON, PORSCHA are the final 3 mafia, all have various degrees of townreads on them (ive cased everyone earlier in d3)

JACK is my least confident townread, if im wrong earlier, get JACK

WILGY im more confident in townreading but his standing with everyone isnt good. If im wrong earlier, get WILGY but i much rather u kill in order

Everyone else i believe is considered consesus town / towncore

ROXY > SIG > CREATURE > FALCON > PORSCHA > JACK > WILGY is my preferred order of chops if i was all powerful and could control the chop from the grave

If town gets the doctor card tonight pls consider using it on me

Dont flashwagon anyone. ROXY is in anti spewing. Dont throw the game

Good luck and godspeed

P.S.: dont trust CREATURE'S bullshit that he cant be mafia with SIG and ROXY. Their "scumreads" on each other were terrible, awkward and are what made me think theyre mafia in the first place. Distancing is a concept thats well known to all of us

Also I don't think Sig moves to the Tutuu wagon last cycle if they were aligned.

While Tutuu was unlikely to go over, I think Sig would rather just avoid potential bussing if unneeded. This is exactly why Sig voting Tutuu over Creature makes no sense given the context that Sig though Roxy was a wiff.

Neither Sig nor Tutuu were getting yeeted over Roxy or Creature yesterday. They can give each other whatever reads they like and I don't see that as particularly unaligned.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm @staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

The argument goes like this.

Tutuu has a wolf pov. Creature is not doing anything town Creature would do. Wolves.

Sabi’s evaluation of my evaluation of Tutuu was the most noncommittal wolfy nonsense. Wolf.

Wilgy using bad arguments to say Sig/Tutuu are not both wolves. Ergo, Wilgy and Sig also wolves.

Am I certain it’s Tutuu/Wilgy/Creature/Sabi/Sig? No.
Is that my best guess at this moment? Yes.
A townie incorrectly put in that solve can and should try to make their way out of it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:33 pm I think in Tutuu town worlds Bereft always mafia.
In Tutuu maf worlds we only lose to a Bereft distancing play?

@staypositivefriend @Jackofhearts2005 what are your feelings towards the idea Tutuu might be trying to spew Bereft town?

Probably not but I guess it’s a possibility.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:49 pm The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

It’s super annoying for you to come in with my exact solve, town other up and then talk yourself out of it without really showing your work in a way I can follow.

Maybe it’s necessary. It would just be better if you agreed with me on everything or could guide me to your changed reads or if you were just obvious mafia trying to save teammates.

Unrelated but we should take note: one of our wolves won’t be yeeted upon being voted out. So today is essentially lylo unless we happen to yeet in perfect order.