The Syndicate

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:55 pm It would not be charitable of me to state that my view of your towngame especially of late now that you're semiretired is to just complain about not having time and make some basic reads and that go nowhere and then screech at everyone POE'ing you then do the thing where you don't care if you get voted off and all in all it is not pleasant. Hopefully you still can't figure out who I am.

My view of your wolfgame is clearly that it is not this, in particular, it is actually effective.

I could swap Sabi for idk Porscha. I’m scum reading Sabi off that one post alone. Wilgy could also potentially be town.

I don’t think there’s a world with town Tutuu or town Creature. I’m very concerned that one is just the zealot and we’ll have a shit time after getting essentially no yeet today. But there’s nothing we can do about that possibility.

@MacDougall @DrWilgy @Sabiplz @Bereft

Sig is in my solve. However, he's far far far behind Creature and Tutuu in terms of wolfiness. Both Creature and Tutuu have a pov that is damn near impossible for a townie to have at this stage in the game. Creature is clearly coasting. SPF cased Creature as outside of his town meta and wolves ignored it D1. It is D4 and he has coasted through every single day when he could have been yeeted and yet he has not lost any morale or done any work. He's a wolf every time. Tutuu is pushing an absolute garbage POE and has turned on townreads like SPF, Dennis and myself almost purely in self defense. She does not really believe those reads. She has also treated these slots with the mocking tone of a wolf on D4 who has a full team. Practically putting her thumbs in her ears and sticking her tongue out at us. It is not the mindset of a townie on the verge of a loss and she is also a wolf every time. Sig is likely to be a wolf by POE but the case on him is flimsy to the point of nonexistence next to how obviously both Tutuu and Creature are wolves. Tutuu is voting for Sig. We're potentially 1 misyeet away from a loss. I think it's important to yeet Creature or Tutuu today.

I think that also means consolidating on Creature or Tutuu @staypositivefriend @falcon45ca @Seanzie @Dennis. I don't particularly care which, though I think Creature is unlikely to be the Zealot on account of wolves would be perfectly happy "yeeting" the Zealot but they've never managed or even made much of an attempt to "bus" Creature. Tutuu received strong pressure for the first time today and probably has a standard 1/5 chance of being the Zealot (or 1/4 if you assume Creature is never the Zealot).

So I think we should consolidate on Creature but if we'd prefer to consolidate on Tutuu, I'm fine with that, too. I think yeeting Sig today would be a mistake.

Also, the chance of both Sabi and Wilgy being town is pretty freaking low so both of them on Sig with Tutuu is another red flag. Sorry to any townies in Sabi and Wilgy but it is what it is.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:54 pm Also, the chance of both Sabi and Wilgy being town is pretty freaking low so both of them on Sig with Tutuu is another red flag. Sorry to any townies in Sabi and Wilgy but it is what it is.

Did you not see I was sheeping Mac on to sig way before wiggles and tutuu joined.

What kinda read is this???

It's a read where it's lylo and there are two obvious wolves with 3 votes each and there's a player in the POE who could be a wolf or could be town with 5 votes and POE players going "Oh, well I'm just sheeping towncore when I don't vote for either of the obvious wolves."

That would freak you the fuck out in my shoes. Don't act like you think this is some wolf plot because the motivation and reasoning behind what I'm saying and doing is clear as can be.







We're almost surely gonna have to deal with the lost day phase to yeeting the Zealot sooner or later but eliminating wolves maintains a bit of margin of error on voting and causes the wolves to draw less cards at night. There are like 5 cards that could potentially mean the difference between a win and a loss depending on who draws them so eliminating a wolf now would be worth shifting the odds.

@Porscha @lucy Creature is always a wolf and never the zealot. Please vote there or at the very least, both vote Tutuu.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:59 pm A wolf pelt is a wolf pelt and the fact that Jack even says that sig is in his poe but wants to kill the wagon is odd.

Jack: We should yeet players that are definately wolves instead of players that are just in the POE.

Sabi: OMG maybe Jack is a wolf. So odd. Such a weird perspective.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:43 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

I don't want to vote out fingersplints voters.

Of day 1 Alison voters Sig is the most likely hit.

Sig is not towny.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:49 pm The ... solve I am getting to looks less and less likely to have Tutuu in it hmmm.

I don't think Sig and Tutuu are partners. I also am not sure Wilgy and Tutuu make sense as partners.

Can Seanzie be this towny as mafia? Not Bereft?

Creature
Seanzie
Falcon
Sig
Dennis?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:14 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:58 pm Sig
Creature

pick one imo

Can you explain the wolf case on sig.

From what I saw live, I didn't like his Eod3 with the whole timing Roxy flip. Idk.

I haven't really come up with any specific. I just think through process of elimination, wagonomics and general production/appearance he's the least likely town player atm alongside Creature.

Creature I kinda have a more relevant read on in the sense that I think Creature's curve has been starting townier and getting slowly scummier which is like the complete inverse of his usual town curve. He doesn't have Creature tinfoil. Is tolerant of being pushed in a weird way. Keeps making shotgun votes and reads. Its like as mafia he just doesn't have the energy or care factor to try to look town.

^The case on Sig. Emphasis mine. It's literally just POE.

Dennis and Sabi, surely you can understand why I think it is a better move to yeet Creature in this scenario, who had a stronger case made on him on D1 than this case on Sig now.

Maybe they're both wolves and it doesn't fucking matter. But why roll the dice on maybes when we've got a sure thing?

The higher percentage of Sig voters that are wolves or potentially wolves also points to Sig being more likely to be the Zealot if all wagons are wolves and we should try to yeet nonzealot wolves first if at all possible.

Voting Sig is literally outting right now and if either of @Sabiplz or @DrWilgy end the day voting for Sig, I will consider that to be a hard scumclaim. Even if Sig is a wolf. Even if Sig is not the zealot.

We do not have the wiggle room to play sloppy and if either of you is town, you need to not only vote for the correct player so we can yeet that player but also so that you don't give wolves cover to just vote whoever with weak reasoning by doing that yourself.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:12 pm I had a sig case, and would not like to be ignored in all of this considering I was the first voter on the current wagon.

Creature's been in contention ever since D1. Who were their voters?

Nobody EoD1 and EoD2. Sabi, Wilgy, Falcon voted there D3 while Roxy had an overwhelming 7 votes. SPF, Seanzie and I have all voted Creature at some point and I'm sure I'm missing some other temporary votes there.

Wolves have never actually attempted to bus Creature. If Creature is a wolf (and he's always a wolf), he's not the Zealot.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:30 pm In hindsight Jack's argument that Creature is not the zealot due to not having been bussed is so awful. Like I did say that Creature's been in contention for forever.
Sig has been in contention approximately never, and it reached its zenith when I convinced Seanzie to vote sig with me and probably somebody else in Mac/SPF.

In contention and never came close to being voted off EOD at all.

I stand by my statement about voting Sig over Creature for players in the POE being a scum claim.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:20 pm mac can u read through creature's posts today and give me ur thoughts? i'll do the same for sig

I've read all of his posts. They aren't great but they are better than sigs, and that Jack post pleading with us to vote out creature and tutuu over sig made my fucking skin crawl. Jack suddenly caring again and trying to be pushy is just making me think he's flipped back to hard wolfsiding probably to end the game.

It’s possible lylo given the cards and the zealot. Four members of the poe (Wilgy, Tutuu, Creature, Sabi) have voted Sig or floated a vote for Sig.

There’s no case against Sig and the case of “he’s doing fuck all” applies to a lot of players. That doesn’t make Sig town but it doesn’t make sense for 3-4 wolves to pile onto Sig if Sig is a goon. They’d just pile onto Creature or Tutuu. Instead, Wilgy shifts his POE from Tutuu/Sig to Creature/Sig to avoid voting anyone but Sig and Sabi shades the hell out of me for pushing Creature.

Open your eyes, man.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:12 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:12 pm why is sabi locktown

just gets mad at people for no reason

Oh is that why you’re cursing people out and using all caps? Because you’re trying to look townie? Jfc.

Creature/Tutuu/Sabi/Wilgy/???

If we yeet through those four without hitting the zealot, Sig is a decent last wolf. If we hit the zealot going through those four, Sig is spewed town and the last wolf is Porscha (“Oh thank mod we’re finally yeeting Creature now I’m gonna leave without voting” could be a mistake or a wolf move) or maybe Mac, who looks town except he keeps having EOD read shifts to vote the wrong players.

That’s my legacy. Gl

For credit, I actually think Sig is just flat town. Tutuu is raising her voice to try to get the win right here and now, not just waste the day. I’ll probably be dead or the game will be lost before that matters.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:40 pm Falcon
Dennis
Porscha
SPF
Seanzie

Final guess lol.

Switch your entire poe from wolves to townies challenge?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:09 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:29 pm @Jackofhearts2005 EAT FUCKING SHIT AND DIE.

@Jackofhearts2005 this was just a joke to clarify u know that right haha

im not flaming anyone its jsut funny to me to talk like this sorry u all

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:55 pm The chances of mafia not currently voting Creature are too damn low.

If Sabi is actually town, Creature wagon is pure.

Lol why is Porscha voting Sig? She was scumreading Creature. Bad look without actually looking at it.

I have lots of real reads.

At the risk of undermining my super real and important game winning reads, here’s a joke.

Lylo is super easy. Anyone who agrees with me is town and anyone who doesn’t is scum.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:09 pm Jack: susses Wilgz, porscha and I for following Mac lead

Also jack: never susses Mac who is leading

Make it make sense

I just independently townread Mac so it’s easier to believe he’s wrong whereas if you and Wilgy vote wrong, it’s easy to believe it’s cause you’re scum.

If I’m wrong on a townread, though, it’s probably Mac.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:05 pm Lol why is Porscha voting Sig? She was scumreading Creature. Bad look without actually looking at it.

Mac asked her to.

Jack are you capable of having real reads.

You keep sussing me and wilgs and Porscha, who all followed Mac lead, But never sus Mac.

@MacDougall do you see this

Tbf if jack threw shade at me earlier I never saw it so to me i think hes just not paying attention? I'd be surprised if jack was actually trying to make me look bad when i was one of his biggest defenders before cuz like that's just counter intuitive for a wolf jack to do lol

Anyway sabi i feel like you're implying something but not uh, not saying it

Spoiler: show

say it with your chest out eh

Tbh, I don’t have much of a read on you and your place as town or scum is like dependent on if a read. Sorry. I know that’s not really fair to you but on the plus side, it means I’m not voting you for the next 3 days at least and the game probably just ends before then.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:47 pm To be clear about consequences of going over cap:
First day you go over cap before an hour to end of day: You will not draw a card the following night.
Second day you go over cap before an hour to end of day: Your vote will not be counted the following day.
Third day you go over cap before an hour to end of day: Modkill.

I counted up my posts forgetting the post cap lifted an hour before eod.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:30 pm [VOTE: dennis] aubergine

let's see what happens tbh

Pretty sure the only thing that happens is I get an aneurism.

If the Dennis wagon is a joke, I’ll just keep preparing potatoes for the fam but if it’s for real, could somebody let me know so I can scream until I lose my voice while fixing potatoes because Tutuu just threw half assed cases at each townie in a row until one somebody convinced ppl Dennis is more wolfy than Creature?

Somehow*

Oh thank Quetzalcoatl

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:44 pm Can't even post appropriate videos

I’m demonetizing the wolfteam.

Mac claiming mafia is…a thing.

Mafia is obvious. 5 players not voting like I say. Game is ez

Mac, I know you’re excited to get to the “guess the zealot” portion of the game but come on.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:55 pm we should sleep we need more information

This is the way. Let’s all go to sleep and leave the votes as is

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:56 pm Jack why is everything you say out of touch.

Probably because I’m trying to make dinner

I’m actually oracle lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:09 pm i don't think creature was the zealot, but i do think he is mafia

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:09 pm no, i don't believe creature was zealot

I want to believe this because it would make me feel less stupid so….explain plz.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:08 pm We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

Feels like a wolf play.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:10 pm [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

Yeah, Wilgy is basically always a wolf. K.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:11 pm Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

Oh yeah probably this.

Kinda want to yeet creature again lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

well thanks for giving me a reason to ignore everything you say today

i dont care that youre town, youre playing badly if you are letting mechanics get in the way of basic scumhunting. you should know that i'm not mafia and i doubt that mac is mafia either

Mac was pretty damn wolfy yesterday tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:16 pm creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

It isn’t infodumping if you’re guessing. Spell it out.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm The people that look bad after creature non flip:

Tutuu

Jack

Jack honestly looks worse because he tried to. Kill every sig wagon and was pushing creature so hard to wagon creature that it wasn't even misguided town.

Tutuu defense of creature seems kinda twtbaw. It's too blatant idk.

Judgement slink doesn’t care if wolf A gets yeeted or of wolf B gets yeeted. The holder can grant mercy to everyone. This is only a valid thought if Creature is the zealot, which we have mechanical and logical reason to think he’s not.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:50 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:16 pm creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

It isn’t infodumping if you’re guessing. Spell it out.

okay

i believe that seanzie outright mechanically hard claimed that he had information to suggest that creature was not the zealot. i don't see any other way to interpret the posts that he made about creature

Pretend I’m on mobile and I want you to tell me specifically what card would tell him that.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:54 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:50 pm I don't understand how you can't explain hypothetically why we have to hang in exactly that order.
I finally went and looked back at what exactly Oracle does, and I don't get it.

i know who pulled cards such as judgement and death and who is and who isn't zealot

there's a card called justice which when pulled is another mafia kill, if mafia pulls that then that's quite literally 2 town for 1 mafia which is very bad news, lynching zealot after means another town, dangerously close to parity

anyways spf/mac are both outed fmpov

The entire towncore being mafia is…a situation.

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:59 pm JAck why are your posts always so off

What are you talking about? I’m town leader and lead the first wolf yeet yesterday.

Lucy is basically claiming red peeks on Mac AND SPF and Tuutu’s play yesterday was wolfy af.

I’m not pulling this stuff out of my butt.

I want to believe SPF is still town because my heart says so but I’m already deeply uncomfortable with how close we are to infodumping (possibly already over the line) so I can’t really ask Lucy to clarify.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:05 pm Can we please just vote jack

Claiming wolf is not considered info dumping, fyi. You don’t have to like hint.

It would be kinda appropriate for Daisy to put us out of our misery for infodumping.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:01 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:59 pm JAck why are your posts always so off

What are you talking about? I’m town leader and lead the first wolf yeet yesterday.

Lucy is basically claiming red peeks on Mac AND SPF and Tuutu’s play yesterday was wolfy af.

I’m not pulling this stuff out of my butt.

Are you town leader? I didn't think you had all that much thread influence to be quite honest

I’m the protagonist of all games. That’s why I’m never yeeted or nightkilled and I got my own discord channel.

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:16 pm "No info-dumping regarding what card you drew and how you used it"

This technically doesn't apply to Oracle since Oracles don't draw cards. However this might not have been the intended spirit.

Lol about time we got a lucky bounce.

Lucy’s third target was Seanzie. Seanzie died and flipped vanilla town.

Judgement played by Seanzie/SPF/Mac. Ergo, at least one wolf in SPF/Mac.

And honestly, SPF having difficulty scumreading Mac atp is ???

If townies could stop throwing fits about how the oracle is making shit up, that would be great. Because there are more than 5 players being insanely wolfy right now.