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by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:39 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:44 am Kate townslipped. She's been using the green text all game to represent stuff that's from an out-of-game perspective and that she wants to make sure people know is genuine and not speaking from her role PM. She included "it would be a bad move for town to vote me out" in green text because she was telling the truth about requesting a sub out and accidentally said too much in her "trust tell" font.

Roxy hasn't returned and is either totally checked out of the game or totally frozen mafia. We should get rid of her because we can't leave her around generating question marks forever.
Lynching slankers D1 is always suboptimal.


If only there was a recent game where Maf absolutely trounced Town cuz' of this very thing...@DrWilgy , remember?
Not for wolves. Wolf Alison loves to yeet town slankers like "We can't leave this slot around forever."
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:10 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:44 am Kate townslipped. She's been using the green text all game to represent stuff that's from an out-of-game perspective and that she wants to make sure people know is genuine and not speaking from her role PM. She included "it would be a bad move for town to vote me out" in green text because she was telling the truth about requesting a sub out and accidentally said too much in her "trust tell" font.

Roxy hasn't returned and is either totally checked out of the game or totally frozen mafia. We should get rid of her because we can't leave her around generating question marks forever.
Lynching slankers D1 is always suboptimal.


If only there was a recent game where Maf absolutely trounced Town cuz' of this very thing...@DrWilgy , remember?
Not for wolves. Wolf Alison loves to yeet town slankers like "We can't leave this slot around forever."
Well, ya I mean for Town. 'Natch it's a wolf strat
Which is why you should help me yeet Alison. Because she's using a strategy that makes sense for her as a wolf, not a townie.



While I'm burning a post, here are some reads.





Town
Lucy
SPF
Falcon
Sig

Townish
Seanzie
Baudib
Tutuu
Fingersplints.

Special place for players I don't have a read on but won't support yeeting D1
Creature

Scumlean
Wilgy

Scumread
Alison


These are unordered btw.
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:17 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Alison's strategy itg is almost identical to her strategy as a wolf here

viewtopic.php?t=2423

Push slankers cause we can't resolve them anyway and push players who suspect her because they're "outed" without really explaining why in a coherent way.

Kill. With. Fire.
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:08 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

lucy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:57 pm Alison should never die d1, baudib is towny and he's playing towny, those wagons suck

jack
porscha
Roxy
neon

@MacDougall @Alison @staypositivefriend try to pick a name here and drop a small case on them and include your confidence, i'll read their iso's among other things

and today i want to choose the lynch because of how horrible the wagons are now, and because of the 5 mafia that exist
People told me this in the game I linked to when she was a wolf acting exactly the way she is now. Frustrating.
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:11 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:52 pm Jack = W is probably the strongest D1 wolf I’ve had in over 100 games. T!Jack will generally find a way to make himself useful very early and be obvtown.

After that I am less sure, I’d suspect 2.5 in this group that is blatantly wolfsiding:
Wilgy
Neon (incorporating MacDougall read here)
Falcon
Seanzie
Porscha (incorporating tutuu read)

Occasionally 1 in Creature/Rondo/Alison/SPF/Bereft and even lower frequency in Mac/tutuuu (but something like 1 in 300)
I'm literally leading a yeet on a wolf right now. How much more useful do you expect me to be? :disappoint:
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:15 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:11 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:52 pm Jack = W is probably the strongest D1 wolf I’ve had in over 100 games. T!Jack will generally find a way to make himself useful very early and be obvtown.

After that I am less sure, I’d suspect 2.5 in this group that is blatantly wolfsiding:
Wilgy
Neon (incorporating MacDougall read here)
Falcon
Seanzie
Porscha (incorporating tutuu read)

Occasionally 1 in Creature/Rondo/Alison/SPF/Bereft and even lower frequency in Mac/tutuuu (but something like 1 in 300)
I'm literally leading a yeet on a wolf right now. How much more useful do you expect me to be? :disappoint:
Jack: you and I both know, so just remember when we play another game for higher stakes, bub.
Your push on me is so ill advised that you've become a bigger wagon than me even without me pushing you at all.

Everything you're complaining about me doing, you're doing. I'm not doing enough by just pushing Alison? You're not doing enough by just pushing me.

Only I'm pushing a wolf and you're pushing a townie. If you really are town and you really can't get over this, at least do something else useful so people stop thinking you're a wolf.
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:21 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:15 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:11 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:52 pm Jack = W is probably the strongest D1 wolf I’ve had in over 100 games. T!Jack will generally find a way to make himself useful very early and be obvtown.

After that I am less sure, I’d suspect 2.5 in this group that is blatantly wolfsiding:
Wilgy
Neon (incorporating MacDougall read here)
Falcon
Seanzie
Porscha (incorporating tutuu read)

Occasionally 1 in Creature/Rondo/Alison/SPF/Bereft and even lower frequency in Mac/tutuuu (but something like 1 in 300)
I'm literally leading a yeet on a wolf right now. How much more useful do you expect me to be? :disappoint:
Jack: you and I both know, so just remember when we play another game for higher stakes, bub.
Your push on me is so ill advised that you've become a bigger wagon than me even without me pushing you at all.

Everything you're complaining about me doing, you're doing. I'm not doing enough by just pushing Alison? You're not doing enough by just pushing me.

Only I'm pushing a wolf and you're pushing a townie. If you really are town and you really can't get over this, at least do something else useful so people stop thinking you're a wolf.
Bub you can’t even make a half-convincing case that you’re unaware of my alignment. I’m not the one trolling the thread with useless nonsense. I have plenty of other thoughts on other people in the game, and you don’t.
You are frustrating.
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:49 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Why are there only 6 votes on the board?
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:49 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

What are ya’ll doing?
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:50 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Day 2? 😒
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:51 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Spacedaisy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:04 pm End of Day 1 - Now Who's Flailing?

"Three balls for $1! Put a friend in the seat and try to dunk them," a carnie calls out, juggling the balls as he tempts people to come and give the dunk tank a whirl. The line here is longer than most of the other games. It's comprised mostly of teenage boys eager to show up their buddies. You stand in line to purchase an elephant ear and as you wait for your delicious deep fried pastry to be done, you idly watch one after another miss the bullseye target. Then suddenly there is a loud DING! The small plank drops, dumping fingersplints into the large vat of very cold water. The group of friends gathered around to cheer and jeer at the unfortunate soul who now flailed, trying to fight their way back up to the top. Aren't those things supposed to be more shallow than that? The laughter subsides as the realization dawns on all the observers that fingersplints was in real trouble. By the time they fish her from the water, they are limp and lifeless. So much for their fun day at the fair.


fingersplints has been chopped. She was Vanilla Town. It is now Night 1, card draws will be going out momentarily and you will have until 7:00 PM EST January 7 (tomorrow) to turn in your night actions in your private channel.

The thread is now locked for the night.

Please vote in the poll to tell me if you would rather I lift the post cap one hour before the End of Day or leave it as is.
FFS.

Sun thingie nice I guess.
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:51 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Back to pandemic legacy
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:56 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:52 pm If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)
Aww darn you got me but I guess I’ll double down and hope for the best. Maybe reverse psychology will keep you from yeeting Alison, who is wolves with me.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:57 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:53 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:52 pm If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)
I'm on winter break. Semester doesn't start until the 18th.
Shh. Go study.
by Jackofhearts2005
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:58 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Neon wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:54 pm Alison is doing a play by play exact replica of King of the Hill. I can't get over that lol its exactly the same.

Like

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=24 ... &start=250

Exactly the same. Every single aspect of it.

I kinda town read the switch off on Kate but than I remembered that a very similar thing happened to the wolf team when I subbed out in KotH mafia for mental health reasons and they abandoned the Neon push because they thought my subbing out was town indicative because of the way it was done.
This is what I’ve been saying. It’s grossly blatant to the point when I’d actually agree with Tutuu on the bussing thing if I didn’t independently townread Sig and myself.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:55 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Sorry, Alison. Hope you’re right on Roxy since that’s the way things are headed. Will try to dig further into things since I have few reads atm. Least I got two EODs to look at for the price of one.

Tonight is date night, though.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:09 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Eeeeh for certain values of date night. No shade at the wifey and we’ve had all day together and she wants to play pokemon so I guess I’ll stick around and be game useful
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:12 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:36 pm This game has all the traits of tvt violence and in a way that would be quite difficult for the mafia to justify getting involved in. Players like Wilgy, Roxy and Falcon are coming across like they have an obscene amount of town self entitlement even if I disagree with them (and was scumreading them), and on the flipside so does Baudib, Lucy etc.

What is the major hypotheses being debated?

Alison is mafia
Lucy should be trusted/listened to
A giant group of players who are opposite aligned to Alison are all scummy/bad/wrong/annoying

What is not being discussed?

Fingersplints is scummy as hell
Kate didn't get any townier at all
SPF's casing of Creature is being largely ignored and if he was town, I'd expect the mafia to be shining a lot on it
Tutuu/Neon capping early
Rondo's weird as hell holding of the Oracle claim

I am very tempted to townread and largely ignore everyone who is giving heaps of fucks about the former set of theorum and want to cast my glare at the people who are more passive at the moment, particularly those whose names are in the above.
fingersplints wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.
fingersplints wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:14 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:10 pm fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?
I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts
How can anyone read this justification and think that is legit?
This might have merit. Not really what I was looking for but put a pin in that idea.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:15 am
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:12 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:09 am Eeeeh for certain values of date night. No shade at the wifey and we’ve had all day together and she wants to play pokemon so I guess I’ll stick around and be game useful
What's your take on Alison's wagon? Give us some thoughts on Roxy, sig and myself plz
I felt Alison’s wagon was pure most of D1. Have read only the smallest part of D2. Going through EOD1 and D2 now.

Had good feelings about you and Sig yesterday. Alison died saying kill Roxy but I don’t have much in the way of independent thoughts on Roxy yet. If I don’t answer this better later, kick me.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:18 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

No shade on Neon either but why Neon? Like it’s bothersome for me to have a handful of townreads and see Neon who was null for a lot of players (maybe this is outdated consensus) shot, especially after voting Alison a fair amount D1.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:21 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

falcon45ca wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:16 am Do I have to get naked for you people to remember my name?


8-O
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:24 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:56 pm The thing giving me pause about my gamestate, and humouring flipping my evaluation upside down, is Alison and Baudib shielding Creature in case that wasn't obvious.

Firstly, I still think SPF's case on Creature has been the most thorough and well reasoned argument anyone has made the entire phase. On top of that SPF has been possibly the towniest person in the game. In spite of that, she's been largely ignored in favour of this repetitive argument that's like the universe vs. Alison. I also just don't think Creature has been towny.

Is there a world in which Alison, Baudib, SPF and Creature are all town.

SPF and Mac would need to be wrong about Creature. Corrected by two players who are largely suspected by a huge swathe of players. I guess it's plausible in that way.

The question one moustache is ... is Creature really towny enough for Alison and Baudib to be this defensive of him? Or is their defense shielding a partner? Or is it TMI?

@Jackofhearts2005 @DrWilgy @falcon45ca What do you three think of Creature?
I think his pfp is kinda bad and maybe he is too.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:26 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

While I’m asking stupid questions, why were FS and Baudib ever serious wagons? That’s not me being a dick about it. I really wanna know.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:30 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Yeah that doesn’t look great for Creature if Roxy is a wolf.

I rank Tutuu’s convincingness of w/w treatment cases as

Creature/Roxy > Creature/Sig > Creature/Porscha
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:32 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Bereft wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:06 pm Jack and Creature are 2 slots that occupy sorta the same niche player archetype wise and threadwise.

With limited experience with either I'd vote Jack over Creature always. In particular I think SPF's meta concerns are too "narrow".

Aight my time is up.
I feel like I should be offended by this. I’m a lot funnier than Creature.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:35 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:14 pm Legacy

Upper POE -

Rondo/Lucy (I really don't get how the non Oracle between them makes sense as town)
Jack/Baudib1 (different)

Lower POE -

Sig
Creature
Fingersplints

If Alison survives today and a town elimination occurs add Alison to my upper POE.
Mac probably just town on gad level
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:54 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:42 pm
lucy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:41 pm
Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:40 pm
lucy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:39 pm @Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks
Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints
in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison
Oh right that's a thing

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine
*thonk*
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:55 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Oi Mac. Tell me who I should scumread besides Roxy and Creature.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:48 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:47 pm [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Perhaps we should try some new wagons today.
Not the best excuse to unvote Roxy but idk how Creature treats wolf partners
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:50 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

staypositivefriend wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:30 am can everyone respond to this post with their top 3 most confident townreads?

ty
Lucy
SPF
Falcon
Mac if Lucy doesn’t count
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:36 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

tutuu wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:20 am roxy is mafia because
1) we're honoring alison's legacy
2) mafia used the moon card to chop alison when she got more votes than roxy
3) she is w/w with creature
This is my feeling so far. In all my catchups, I haven't seen any actual posts from Roxy. Makes me a bit antsy but I'm trusting my townreads on it. Plus, I don't have any reason to townread her and my next biggest scumread is Creature and well, see number 3.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:40 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 2:48 am
Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:47 pm [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Perhaps we should try some new wagons today.
Not the best excuse to unvote Roxy but idk how Creature treats wolf partners
Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:53 pm [VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

(I dunno why I keep making in-thread votes. It's just wasting posts)
FTR, Creature almost immediately moves back to Roxy after Alison poopoos the idea of yeeting me over Roxy and Baudib says he disagrees but will follow Alison.

I don't really know if this does much for my "Creature w/w with Roxy" read but it feels relevant.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:45 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

staypositivefriend wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:59 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:56 am
staypositivefriend wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:35 pm i don't claim to have any level of confidence in reading alison correctly but i do honestly feel like the main reasons ive seen to justify voting her have been more related to her playstyle than her alignment

feels kind of icky
Does icky mean wrong or scummy in this context?

If scummy, who is scum pushing or voting Alison?
it means scummy, and it also means that if we live in a world where she's town (which i do perceive as being more likely right now than not) at least one of the people who wagoned her is a wolf trying to push on her opportunistically

and jack, i actually perceived your read on alison as being the most sincere out of everyone who has pushed on her so far, since you were more or less the "ringleader" for building momentum against her and i perceive you as being the main person who is projecting a lot of confidence about her being mafia

but your confidence is starting to bother me the more that i think about it. it's possible that you're right about alison but frankly i think your reasoning for pushing on alison is pretty bad. i don't think the things that you are pushing alison for (ie: "she is treating people in bad faith") are alignment indicative for alison, and i do expect you to understand that these things aren't alignment indicative as someone who has presumably played a lot of games with alison

so, while i think it's possible that your read onalison could be correct, your confidence about alison being mafia doesn't feel even slightly proportional to the actual casework you have done against her, and my memory of the other towngames i saw from you is that you were much more considerate and you had a much broader perspective than the one you are projecting here

so uhhh, i think what im going to need from you for me to not want to vote you today is for you to just talk to me very broadly about your reads that AREN'T alison. if alison was no longer on the table today, who would you want to eliminate? if we briefly assume for a moment that alison is town, what would ur view of the game look like?
@Jackofhearts2005 - please respond to this post as soon as you can
So...I didn't get a chance to respond this because the day was cut short and I'm doing so now out of politeness/teamwork, even though its less relevant and I don't have great answers.

Honestly, Alison was my far and away strongest scumread. I didn't have much in the way of others. Just vague gut suspicion of Wilgy and iirc, some suspicion of Creature that was mostly sheeped from you or Mac (though that might have come after the post I'm quoting). Sometimes, it's just like that. I tend to collect some townreads and get pinged by one player and latch on like a bulldog until I bring my scumread down or they change my scumread on them. Sometimes, I have multiple scumreads but often, D1-D3 or pre flips, I just don't and in this case, I just didn't. I know that's not super helpful wrt finding additional wolves or getting town to townread me but it's just the reality of things.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:46 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Pre WOLF flips, that should say.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:47 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:00 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:58 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:54 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:52 pm If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)
Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.
I cant tell you that far/deep, this was just my solution when i thought to solve the problem "whats the reason behind the pressure on alison that i cant understand/justify (coming from jack and sig maybe seanzie, rondo, forgot who else)"

From roxy, dennis, finger, neon - i understand and justify it, its the emotional turbulation having an impact, so i dont think its w/w there
It's not a bus, they are just outing to kill me. It's why none of my voters can give a coherent reason why I am mafia and it's why I feel great about the game because the mafia team has overextended way too much and it's hard to imagine the game ending well for them unless you guys totally throw after my flip (in which case it's on you).
If Alison is right, here, she has to literally only be talking about Sig, which is ???

Cause I'm town and Neon flipped town. Why was Neon killed? I don't get it. Wasn't Neon a yeetable option who had been wrong?
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:48 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:01 pm Can't wait for the moon to be randomly activated
Possible tmi, here.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:50 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:06 pm Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
This is the point in the ketchup where I decided that Tutuu is just town.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:53 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:10 pm So Alison was scum and it was probably with Roxy and/or Kate. She reevaluated on Jack at EOD to make it look like it was Jack, but it was Roxy all along. Baudib is probably still a patsy town, as is obviously Lucy. Some nerd like Sig is mafia and then probably something derpy like Falcon.
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Creature kinda just lolcatting at this point.

Really hate that most of the relevant ketchup posts are Creature related or from dead players.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:00 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:11 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:10 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:06 pm Bet

I want to kill Alison and then the people pushing her regardless of her flip

So im set on Alison > Jack > Sig atm

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
How about sheeping my legacy if you're going to do that
Sure what is it
Roxy > Neon > Creature in that order, probably Sig after (not as high confidence on him but he's an honorary wolf if town so who cares).

I think Jack less likely to be wolf than all these, but you are welcome to policy him for inting if he keeps making dramatically bad reads.
Alison's legacy is to yeet Roxy and then Neon.

If Creature is a wolf, especially with Roxy, why shoot Neon? Even if Creature and/or Roxy were town, why shoot Neon?

I better see Neon do some obviously town thing because it's really bugging me that I'm the only one who cares about this angle.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:06 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:32 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:30 pm You guys should policy Mac if he doesn't produce pelts soon by the way since he's wrong on both fingersplints and me which is pretty out of form for him.
Shit I need to bus someone. Um, ah. Fuck um.

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine
Mac probably still just town but his little midday crisis here is probably important if he ever flips mafia.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:13 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

Dennis wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:47 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:00 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:58 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:54 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:52 pm If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)
Do you think that if that is the team, Alison is the one they would be bussing? I find it unlikely but I’m not really in touch with the meta of the players involved.
I cant tell you that far/deep, this was just my solution when i thought to solve the problem "whats the reason behind the pressure on alison that i cant understand/justify (coming from jack and sig maybe seanzie, rondo, forgot who else)"

From roxy, dennis, finger, neon - i understand and justify it, its the emotional turbulation having an impact, so i dont think its w/w there
It's not a bus, they are just outing to kill me. It's why none of my voters can give a coherent reason why I am mafia and it's why I feel great about the game because the mafia team has overextended way too much and it's hard to imagine the game ending well for them unless you guys totally throw after my flip (in which case it's on you).
If Alison is right, here, she has to literally only be talking about Sig, which is ???

Cause I'm town and Neon flipped town. Why was Neon killed? I don't get it. Wasn't Neon a yeetable option who had been wrong?
The Tower card was played, so all night action targets were randomized, including NK.
Oh, right. I knew that. I just didn't think that it would have been applied to the NK.

While I'm using a post, I just finished my EOD1 and D2 ketchup and I'm frustrated that most of my nulls (Sabi/Kate, Rondo, Bereft, Portia, Seanzieish [townlean for reasons I forget] and Roxyish [scumread for reasons that don't have anything to do with Roxy's posts]) just flat didn't post in that time period.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:25 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:06 pm if creature roxy sig and jack contains more than one villager then this game is probably a loss
Lol ouch
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:28 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:21 pm Are you guys fucking kidding me? You seriously killed Alison. I am so fucking pissed right now. I am done for now. Ill come back later If I can give a shit
Feels fake.

Btw, getting (and I know this didn't exactly happen) green peeked by Lucy and red peeked by Seanzie on a night where everyone was redirected is very on brand for me.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:29 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:21 pm Are you guys fucking kidding me? You seriously killed Alison. I am so fucking pissed right now. I am done for now. Ill come back later If I can give a shit
Like why would this come as a surprise? The moon got played and there were people who suspected Alison?

Moreover, Rondo did fuck all to defend Alison.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:39 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:43 pm
Porscha wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:50 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:44 pm Ok so @Seanzie I guess we would like you to clarify. Do you have mechanical information that indicate Mac and Jack are wolves?
no bro, don't you know that if I did I couldn't say it but hey it isn't the case anyway, so sit down and just drown in the fact that "Mac and Jack ate a shortstack of flapjacks in wolf chat" is a fact that I deduced by being a sleuth, reading the thread, using my head. No cards jarred these facts that I spread.
Are you able to elaborate on what lead you to that conclusion then pls
This post:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:56 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:52 pm If alison is mafia i feel like 2 or maybe 3 of the people vehemently pushing her are also mafia

Looking at jack and sig

A possible explanation for the behavior "alison maf, i aint moving, nu-uh, nothing else exists i put my hands on my ears lalalalala" is an orchestrated bus, maybe alison has exams or something she always has exams :P

(I still have an unconfident townread on her, just exploring an option)
Aww darn you got me but I guess I’ll double down and hope for the best. Maybe reverse psychology will keep you from yeeting Alison, who is wolves with me.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Is a wolf who is saying "Haha, you're pairing me with a townie, you think you've caught me but you're right for the wrong reasons and it will fall apart when Alison flips". Jack HAS been got, just not for the reasons Tutuu is putting out.

I don't remember the specifics behind Mac, but I'm sure they were breathtakingly convincing, and could stand alone without considering that Mac is eating villagers for breakfast left and right.
This is kinda dumb cause like....I do exactly that when I'm a townie accused of being w/w with my top suspect but whatever.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:15 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:08 pm I feel like my opinions are in the minority in the thread, and I am worried about what that means.
Give me your opinions.

Frustrated by Roxy basically throwing out naked reads and then being like "aaaand I won't be back."

Logically, that's wolf indicative if anything but if it's just a townie who is in a bad spot and doesn't have time to devote to the game....sucks. Not a lot of way to evaluate it. I still think the best thing to do is to follow Alison's legacy but I'd just feel a lot better about it if Roxy was around EOD1 or D2 or D3 so that I could properly evaluate her myself. 39 posts and it just feels bad to be this locked in.

I'm sure people are gonna call this me defending Roxy if she flips wolf and tmi Roxy was town if she flips town but the truth is I'm just saying this stuff because it's what I feel in my heart and idk how to project townieness other than to just say everything I feel.
by Jackofhearts2005
Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:44 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:29 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:21 pm Are you guys fucking kidding me? You seriously killed Alison. I am so fucking pissed right now. I am done for now. Ill come back later If I can give a shit
Like why would this come as a surprise? The moon got played and there were people who suspected Alison?

Moreover, Rondo did fuck all to defend Alison.
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:10 pm
fingersplints wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.
have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:23 pm @sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:42 pm
lucy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:41 pm
Creature wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:40 pm
lucy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:39 pm @Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks
Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints
in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison
host clarified, no lynch no second lynch, just bupkis. Alison will not be lynched
yep fuck all.
I feel like I’m being gaslit. None of this helps Alison not get yeeted?
by Jackofhearts2005
Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:46 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

staypositivefriend wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:04 pm this is a great game with solid communication and im fully enjoying myself
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by Jackofhearts2005
Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:58 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

So like I’m massively pinged by Creature. SPF and Mac have made meta cases against Creature. I want to yeet Creature. The closest thing I have to a reason not to do this is recently being wrong on Alison and a probably illogical worry that I’m going to receive more pressure and have less thread pull with a t!Creature yeet than a t!Roxy yeet. This does not override my scumread but it is in my brain.

Alison said to yeet Roxy. Roxy has done fuck all. Roxy has scum equity w/Creature. I want to yeet Roxy but given I haven’t read any Roxy posts that I didn’t specifically go looking for in her iso and given her very short iso, I don’t feel as confident there as I feel on Creature.

I’m hoping these are both wolves and it doesn’t fucking matter but in the spirit of working with my townreads to make them more affective, fucking order me from one wagon to the other as you will @staypositivefriend @falcon45ca @tutuu.

This is also partly so I don’t get SPF twisting herself in a knot trying to figure out if I’m bussing or distancing or saving or whatever.


I also wanna yeet Rondo but it’s not the ideal play today. I’m just saying. Rondo bad.
by Jackofhearts2005
Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:01 am
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

It’s honestly not worth considering if I’m a wolf at all because even if I was, you’re not yeeting me before [your suspects here] so it doesn’t honestly matter.

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