The Syndicate

Also, claiming becomes super strong when there’s one wolf left with a soup kill.

It’s not fair. I’m not saying let’s use it. I don’t plan on claiming at all for several reasons. But there it is.

We did see a soapbox N1 and N2. There’s a secret role but Orazor says SH is in the game. I’m not seeing a counterclaim.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:02 pm Soapbox is an awesome role. I’m just garbo with it cause I’m terrible at masking my id when posting anonymously and I’d just get souped.
I don't see the use at all

I mean...you could tell jokes.

Soapbox is an awesome role. I’m just garbo with it cause I’m terrible at masking my id when posting anonymously and I’d just get souped.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:57 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:53 pm guess I should ISO LC and verify that
okay, verified, no spider-ham messages

@Esooa?
look at daisys role block night actions
Yeah, this checks out. KZA saw it, and I kind of guessed at this as well. If there is no spiderpig CC, Esooa should be clear.

Which is a problem/godsend because Esooa is far and away the scummiest player.

With Mac being a close second, potentially also mechanically confirmed (why is he alive 3 days later?).

I mean...I default to you as the only possible wolf left if we actually confirmed Esooa and Mac.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:56 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm called u a minority lmfao what the hell

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:43 pm DaisyCloud good

Guillotine ogod

Me good

KZA bad

nutella bad

Esooa bad

There.
unfortunately for you there's more of us than there are of you. That's one cool thing about being town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:46 pm Okay I'm Spider-Girl. I gave the scion to G-Man because I figured he was the least likely to be killed by the mafia and would claim before he got chopped so he could pass it on. If he hasn't passed it away he's probably just outed mafia.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:21 pm Look. I've checked his (G-Man) ISO and I can't say that I scum read him plus the tunnels I got may be clouding my judgement. But I'm willing to act upon consensus. Bare in mind that trusting for me is a big issue that I've battled with all my life but I trust Made and KZA here.

I intend to MJOLNIR G-man in 30 minutes.
Rough news. I guess I owe Spider-Girl (982) an apology then.

Like Mac is telling the truth that this is a thing that happened. It’s a plot point.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:44 pm I ISO'd G-Man and didn't find an obvious confirmation of Mac giving him the Scion

in fact, Mac had G-Man sussed, apparently

What does the Scion do?

I’ll find it for you one min.

Kza never said exactly why they thought Esooa was town, did they?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:37 pm if Mac is confirmed town, why is he in everyone's POE

tf is going on

I forgot we had two Spidergirls.

But really, the only thing we have proving him town is him and GMan both saying he (someone) gave GMan the scion.

And maybe that’s good enough. Maybe it’s just Esooa.

Heya Syn.

Poe is Esooa, Mac, Seanzie.

If you read my posts yesterday, I’m very clearly town. Same for Guillo and Epi.

I personally think Seanzie is town. Esooa has ridiculous teammate potential with the wolf Guillo and I worked super hard to chop yesterday but Kza said there was mechanical reason to trust them? Idk. Mac I trusted until yesterday but he looked bad yesterday.

Woot woot!

Since Mac claimed days ago and Nutella has apparently been mechanically confirmed since D1, I don’t expect that trend to up and change.

Realistically, what’s gonna happen is some of the claimed players won’t die and we’ll have to drink wine about why.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:04 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:01 pm Well 112 is literally just a wolf. A survivor that counts for wolf parity. And Quas will wolfside if we chop her so idk the play there
We ignore 112, it is our only chance. There are like 3-4 wolves left, no way we survive long enough to win if we spend a day yeeting 112.

Who are the 4 wolves in a 4 wolf world?

And if that group is town and Quas really is 3p, that leaves 6 players with 1 or 2 wolves in it: Jack, Guillo, Sean, Epi, 112, Essoa.

I struggle to find a wolfteam that isn’t 112 and Essoa. Or just one of them.

So if that group is all town and outted and all dies and Kza is correct about a mechanical clear on Esooa (lotta ifs!) we’re in a super easy or super hard world.

I mean....in theory, we chop Grogu and then Kza, Nutella, Daisy and Mac all get souped of that group is town.

That leaves 7 players, including Quas. In a world with 2 wolves left, that’s 4 vs 2 vs 1.

If they guess one more townie, it’s 3 vs 2 vs 1 and we just lose.

That’s a lotta ifs but I’m pretty nervous ngl.

Test post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:36 pm Like Mac’s posts today were pretty bad. They seemed fairly townie before.
You know who else's posts today are bad?

Gorgu and Esooa?

Like between mechanical confirms and strong in read townreads, there’s not that many more players who can be scum.

Like Mac’s posts today were pretty bad. They seemed fairly townie before.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:07 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:04 pm I'm just clearing Esooa and Jack off my role theories you cant make me read this stuff again pls
I have purposely not said a damn thing about my role all game and if you think I did, you’re reading into things too much.

If Esooa is town, who are the wolves?
Probably just Mac really

It’s possible.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:04 pm I'm just clearing Esooa and Jack off my role theories you cant make me read this stuff again pls

I have purposely not said a damn thing about my role all game and if you think I did, you’re reading into things too much.

If Esooa is town, who are the wolves?

I can’t imagine a world where it was Gorgu and not Esooa tbh. It would have to be like....Gorgu....112...Quas? *winces*

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:49 pm I don't think it's impossible to miss a notification flag when in thread or wait to check it /shrug

You think it’s possible to double check your dms and miss an unread one?

Come on.

He fucking said he double checked. He replied to red mention flags.

There’s no way he missed a double action dm.

He didn’t have a doubled message at all because he doesn’t have a NA because he’s lying about being the cop because he’s a wolf.

Which is on top of the fact that to be town, he’d have to be willing to fake a red peek at probably mylo and then not rescind after being told multiple times the gang hangs on what he says his action was.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:07 pm [VOTE: Guilo] aubergine

@Grogu tell us your check

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:18 pm Pretty sure chardonnay was full of lies

I can expose the truth but want to hear from Grogu first

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:26 pm I'll post the evidence if people cant operate on trust

Its crucial we here from Grogu first tho

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:28 pm Folks, I get very little time to be in this thread. I need simple shit. Not Ooooh you're bad coz you're not getting it shit.

Simple.
Shit.

Spell it out or you're getting nothing out of me.
Come back later in the day tbh we need to wait for grogu check

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:33 pm Okay this is just irritating I said to wait for grogu

Guilo and Epi probably just scum

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:05 pm Ok, is this real life?
I have a guilty on Guillotine. Finally, even though it was obvious by his TMI last night and he’s shade.
Why I’m alive? Wolves had 2 kills but let me live? Did they believe Chardonnay? LMAO.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:21 pm Grogu you only had 1 check?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:06 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:37 pm mac saying night kill will tell us if grogu is real us scummy af btw. Mafia has clear motivation to leave grogu alive along with the ability to manipulate his results to be unreliable. The fact Mac says this is very scummy imo
The mafia would never leave a real cop alive, he would have been first in the soup. You are an obvious Grogu teammate.
I didn’t expect to be alive. I had to double check

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:31 pm I never expect to receive guillotine result so I did not over think it.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:36 pm @Grogu can you confirm you only had 1 check last night?

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:40 pm I targeted Chardonnay the night he claimed he got a red on Grogu. I targeted Grogu yesterday and he only comes back with 1 check.

Are they both Mafia?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:41 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:21 pm Grogu you only had 1 check?
Yes

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:41 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:40 pm I targeted Chardonnay the night he claimed he got a red on Grogu. I targeted Grogu yesterday and he only comes back with 1 check.

Are they both Mafia?
why does chardonnay have to be mafia? im confused
He should've had 2 checks.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:35 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:31 pm seanzie i also I need to know what grogu's supposed nite actions have been.
Grogu checked Nanook N1, Omega N2, me N3 and Guillo N4.
Yes
Nanook
Omega with secondary power
Seanzie
Guillo only guilty
@DaisyCloud

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:49 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:40 pm I targeted Chardonnay the night he claimed he got a red on Grogu. I targeted Grogu yesterday and he only comes back with 1 check.

Are they both Mafia?
Lot of thinks could happen. Your role might not work with my role? I submitted one check. How would I know I could submit two? I just checked back in. Maybe I get extra tonight?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:49 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:49 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:40 pm I targeted Chardonnay the night he claimed he got a red on Grogu. I targeted Grogu yesterday and he only comes back with 1 check.

Are they both Mafia?
Lot of thinks could happen. Your role might not work with my role? I submitted one check. How would I know I could submit two? I just checked back in. Maybe I get extra tonight?
You didn't get told you had two actions?
No. Unless I can submit one now in which case I would check epi too.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:52 pm I didn't get any message about two actions but I also don't have a role that it would function on either
How would that work? I didn’t check in the thread until just now when thread was opened. If I had a second check after thread is open and I see who died isn’t that broken?

@nutella

It’s your belief that during this whole exchange, Grogu had an unread dm from LC?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:26 pm he never changed the story

If I quote it, will you vote Grogu?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:34 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:29 pm Lynch me.

I don't care.
I'm never lynching you. I got your back! Don't give up that is what scum want, you made me see it!
My grandma just died, so I'm processing that on top of Turnip Head dying.

So I really don't care about this game.

I’m sorry, Epi.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:11 pm i still don't see wolf grogu making up that story lol. if he's seemer the double night action thing could apply to him so it could still be real even if he's a wolf. i just don't think he's lying about that and that should not be a reason to lock him wolf
You don’t think it’s possible for a wolf to lie about having a date.

Seriously? You’re basing your entire worldview on that?
no the pm thing lol you're not even reading

The pm thing where Grogu has changed his story about when they got LC’s pm? Where KZA asked them like 8 times to confirm they only got one action and they did and then changed his story after that was revealed to be a lie?

And Seanzie said, several wolf roles have no NA, meaning they wouldn’t have gotten a message at all and would not have known about the doubling until KZA revealed it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:04 pm Why would seanzie poke holes in grogu's story if they were mafia teammates

No. Epi is just openwolfing

Vote guillo @KZA @Esooa @Seanzie @DaisyCloud

Stop pinging everyone and asking them to vote for townies over wolves!

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:14 pm if it's really grogu is sean still town? who are grogus teammates then? mac and esooa?

does that world make sense? I don't see it like I see my solve

Esoosa has buckets of partner equity with Gogru. Both of them are playing today like it’s mylo and they’re going for the kill.

Grogu: Fakes a red peek on his cw, which will result in his yeet tomorrow after Guillo flips town because Guillo and Chard can’t both be the seemer.

Esoosa: “I won’t consider voting for Grogu until we get some misyeets.”

There’s probably a third. Idk who it is.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:11 pm i still don't see wolf grogu making up that story lol. if he's seemer the double night action thing could apply to him so it could still be real even if he's a wolf. i just don't think he's lying about that and that should not be a reason to lock him wolf

You don’t think it’s possible for a wolf to lie about having a date.

Seriously? You’re basing your entire worldview on that?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:02 pm Like all three of those players are obvious town and you suspect that as the team at basically mylo with nothing at all to support that position. Stop wolf siding. Stop “maybe it’s just”ing.
come back when you have read EVERYTHING from last night and have seen all my pov on why I think what I think
I just posted like three pages by myself and if you read that shit and I’m one of your top wolves, you aren’t paying attention.
you have a possibility to be town in my solve. you're a swing state. if you really are town, you think I'm town and wrong, you're halfway there. at least try to entertain a world where I'm town and right. read my interaction with epi yesterday with an open mind

But you’re not town and right.

You’ve been wrong on everything all game.

Suspects: Jack, Epi, Guillo, Chard, Daisy

Hard defended: Grogu, Michelle (at eod anyway)

I don’t need to keep an open mind and listen to “maybe it’s just Jack/Epi.” You need to get your head in the game and quit tossing out the entire thread to settle back into your nice cozy dumb gut reads.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:45 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:56 am Just got word. My fears happened and I feel like shit.
KZA is town, I am only saying this as a fact but not mechanically. I do not have a check on her.
I did receive a message telling me I had two shots of my role.
This was shortly after thread close and I was long gone.
I have asked to use it tonight or now since I wasn’t aware.
This has been denied. I go hide in a dark hole with my girl now. I have lost this game for us, I should have never had this role. Please don’t flame me, I was way over my head and I’m getting nasty looks already. I’m going to enjoy my last night with wifey, good night all. I am very sorry
Grogu "just got word" that he had two NA's. This was after like 20-30 posts into D5. I don't think Grogu would have gone that long into D5 and not noticed a message. Grogu is backtracking here.

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

Goat.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:31 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:15 pm @nutella

What evidence do you have that Guillotine is mafia?
he's fake claimed several roles and doesn't seem to fit as any remaining actual town role imo

he continually denies the whole seemer thing

he strongly pushed the narrative that chardonnay was real cop and thus grogu is lock mafia and i currently do not think that is the case and i think that is the narrative the wolves *have* to push here

This is dumb. There are several town roles Guillo could be.

That doesn’t point to him being a wolf at all.

This presupposes Grogu as town.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:02 pm Like all three of those players are obvious town and you suspect that as the team at basically mylo with nothing at all to support that position. Stop wolf siding. Stop “maybe it’s just”ing.
come back when you have read EVERYTHING from last night and have seen all my pov on why I think what I think

I just posted like three pages by myself and if you read that shit and I’m one of your top wolves, you aren’t paying attention.

@LordQuas

You wanna Jackside? Boat for baby Yoda please.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:01 pm also just from an ~info~ perspective, if we flip grogu we still won't know for sure which of he and chard were real and which is seemer, obv I have my guess but not knowing for sure for another whole phase will just continue hindering solving as we have camps in two different worlds just like today

getting a definitive flip on guillo or epi is much more productive imo

Kza already went over why Chard was real and Grogu is fake.

If we’re gonna sacrifice like half the town to the soup gods, the least you could do is listen to what they’re saying.

Like all three of those players are obvious town and you suspect that as the team at basically mylo with nothing at all to support that position. Stop wolf siding. Stop “maybe it’s just”ing.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:57 pm but I think epi/guillo/jack just makes so much sense

if there really are 3 maf left then I was prob just right when I thought epi pushed gman to save jack

Pathetic.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:48 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 pm How can anyone call me outed wolf? I understand kza saying I “threw” which I’m guessing means I sabotaged town. Well it was unfortunate, I believe my play all game is what stopped us from getting souped and a wolf had to sacrifice themselves to finally out me. So I find it very disrespectful to call my play sabotage only because I forgot to submit my power after expecting to die And finally having to spend much needed time with my lady after having neglected her often.
Cause you lied about your night action in a way that makes sense for wolf you but makes no sense for town you.
no it's the opposite

grogu as town assumed he would die and ghosted the site

mafia would never do that in the night phase lol

like, if I'm wrong lolme and all that, call me wolfsiding or whatever, at least I alone have the first wolf pelt and no one can take that from me

Why would mafia even have to do that? Grogu didn’t have a cop check because he’s not the fucking cop.

He claimed to red peek his own counterwagon to see what Guillo would do which doesn’t make any damn sense from a town perspective. Multiple times, KZA asked him to clarify that he only got one action, which he confirmed.

Grogu lied because he’s a wolf.

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:32 pm How can anyone call me outed wolf? I understand kza saying I “threw” which I’m guessing means I sabotaged town. Well it was unfortunate, I believe my play all game is what stopped us from getting souped and a wolf had to sacrifice themselves to finally out me. So I find it very disrespectful to call my play sabotage only because I forgot to submit my power after expecting to die And finally having to spend much needed time with my lady after having neglected her often.

Cause you lied about your night action in a way that makes sense for wolf you but makes no sense for town you.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:38 pm Esooa is lock clear don't even fucking ask

the actions pretty much line up perfectly for Daisy and Chardonnay's stories

Look guys I'm really sorry I genuinely thought nobody in the game would role block me otherwise I would've said to chop outside Chardonnay + Grogu

Eeeeeeeeeeh. That’s a problem tbh cause then who else is a wolf? Fmpov Esooa has been ridiculously scummy.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:33 am
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:31 am where is the vote count analysis on me? hmm? when did I bus? when did I go opportunistic on votes?
pretty sure you've scum read (every player you've scum read this game) without doing these things so nah

Hypocrisy is a staple of the townie playbook.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:30 am Esooa, nutella, MacDougall

do it. I want to see a list. point by point. I want quotes. I want to see my actions. show me where I was scum.

Obvious townie is obvious.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:24 am Hey gang,

Please remember that I am here as the moderator on duty. If anyone ever feels the game is moving into a bad place outside the bounds of reasonable Mafia, please contact me privately. This game is designed to generate emotion, and sometimes that can escalate more than we want or intend. This message is directed to all players, especially those recently active, and not at any one player. Please let me hear of your concerns; I am always happy to talk with you. That's what I am here for.

Thank you for understanding everyone. Let's continue to play a competitive but also friendly game of Mafia.

@JaggedJimmyJay who is that in your avatar?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:14 am maybe lets just yeet [VOTE: epi] aubergine lol

Without even getting into why Epi is obviously town, your tendency to default to your vague suspicions of players whose style you’re actually super familiar with and you should absolutely know better than to default to at possibly mylo given soup is suuuuuuuuper tilting.

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