The Syndicate

Or, you know, you could try to convince us you aren't a reaper man, reaper man.

Lol distancing.

How many townies I gotta identify before I'm mafia, LC?

Lotta ins. Lotta outs.

Slip of the keyboard.

What's your little list mean, ro-bit.

You know? I take back everything I said about Wigly. She's okay in my book.

Dizzy or Epi. I figure Dizzy.

malakim2099 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Write up is added to the end-of-night post. Thanks malakim.

I AM A BIOTIC GOD!

Same alien, right?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Love it - let's get going on Wilgy then!

You're on the exact opposite end of the spectrum as Wilgy.

Well I got nothing.

Let me know if you figure out what this means, Epi.

Epi, who do you want to lynch?

Lol.

Honestly, I took Wigly's post to be a joke and didn't comment on it for that reason.

Phenon Slipgate was about Dizzy pretending to know a thing she'd only know if she was bad. This is different from Wigly being like "Lol me and LC are mafia together."



Hi, Dizzy. More OMGUS? Not helping.

Fredwood wrote:To go further on point A

Later when I have time, or even later =/= after... In a game where people tend to analyze almost everything others say it seems odd that you, someone I gather has a good deal of experience, would willfully use this phraseology because it is inherently makes things murky. It's a sticking point because explaining it away as "I said later when I had time" isn't addressing the wording you used or the inherent issue with the wording. It's not as if it's that much more effort to say later...or even later when I have more time, as opposed to after, even if you are posting from a phone.

Eh w/e, who knows if it does or doesn't mean anything...I'm done inferring thing from posts.

Agreed. I took "after" to imply "after he flips" as opposed to "after I get back."

What's a Wilgette? My SO has her own screenname that is not connected to mine.

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Oh? If he's Reaper, it is. If he's Geth and sides with the Reapers, I think that counts as either a Reaper or a hostile Indy. It is in the town's win condition to eliminate the Reapers and all hostile indies.

And thanks Jack, I was going to respond to that as well, but I got distracted and came back to my post and forgot.

Epignosis, IF he's Geth, is a Hostile Indy and is every bit as bad as a Reaper. The Civs NEED Epignosis dead to win.

Unless he sides with the town. Again, assuming he even is a Geth, which I believe he is.

DrWilgy wrote:Nothing convinced me Silver was bad. I was indifferent to him really.

So why'd you vote for him?

DrWilgy wrote: I will still oppose an Epi lynch. It is useless unless we are avoiding a vote lock. It is not a civ win con to kill Epi.

Oh? If he's Reaper, it is. If he's Geth and sides with the Reapers, I think that counts as either a Reaper or a hostile Indy. It is in the town's win condition to eliminate the Reapers and all hostile indies. Do you disagree?

DrWilgy wrote: Idk what more you want from me. Silver was similar to you in the fact that there were cases, I just didn't care. At the time I said I'd kill you over Epi (vs Silver over Epi for example) is because you had momentum. If the momentum was on anywhere else that wasn't Epi or Gfish I would've told them the same thing too.

No, there were cases on Silver. There was tunneling on me. Aside from Dom's misunderstanding and SVS's misunderstanding and a bunch of vague/made up gut reads, there's no case on me. The more people (MP, Sprit, Dizzy, Nifty, Fred) keep repeating this idea, the more scummers (you, Silver, Dizzy, MP?, Sprit?, Nifty?) can continue to jump on Jack lynch trains without having to explain yourselves. I ain't havin it.

"Momentum" is not a plan for finding scum.

DrWilgy wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Wigly - Fights against lynching Reapers and pro-Reaper neutrals. Puts forth an argument that doesn't get traction. Tells us he has a secret case but it turns out to be the same damn argument from before. Probably Reaper.

Hey buddy. Buddy. Buuuuuuddy.

When did I advocate against lynching reapers? I think I stated we should lynch a reaper yesterday to keep both teams on their toes amd so Epi wouldn't be tempted.

It wasn't a secret case. Idk why everyone thinks I said that (was it fred friend's assumptions?) All I stated was I'll be voting for sprit for reasons I'll explain later. I couldn't formulate my thoughts and case properly though due to my date with the Wilgette.

JoH, was my vote a big secret illuminati bullshit? Or was it that I was busy?

Day 2: You said you'd lynch me over Epi even after he claimed half Reaper. Wouldn't follow me on Silver. Pushed GFish, who was after Epi. Never contemplated lynching either of the known ro-bits.

Day 3: Pushed Sprityo over Silver. Eventually voted Silver long after it was a forgone conclusion.

There's a difference between saying "We should lynch a Reaper" and actually trying to lynch Reapers.

Here's your secret case. "Explanation will come after." As in after we lynch him? That's how I took it.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 17#p357517

But your case had already been stated here.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p357376
It's basically the same as what you say here.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 02#p357602

So why the "I'll tell you after"? You already told us. You made it look like you had something more but what it looks like is that you didn't want to lynch Silver.

You were busy so it came late, okay, but no new information was presented today about Silver. Why did you vote Silver Day 3 but not Day 2? What convinced you Silver was bad?

We're on the same page, then.

CaptainNifty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Epignosis, what proof do you have that you were the Night 1 kill target?

I didn't know we were dealing with proof. What proof would you expect me to have?

None at all. I think it's strange that Nifty would be all like "Epi maintains he was targeted" when the reality is that it's a hypothesis at best. And if one were to add an adjective before "hypothesis", I am pretty sure it wouldn't be "strong", "likely", or "convincing".

I'm not saying I buy that Epi was targeted, I think your scenario is just as likely.

That being said, I think gfish either has a forged id or another member of Cerberus targeted Epi Night 1 or Epi was the target of the Cerberus kill. It just doesn't seem like gfish would have gone after Epi the way he did without some info in his pocket.

Eh.

Without getting into what I see as the best forge strategy (cause I'm evil with night powers and don't need to give anyone any ideas), I don't think using it on night 1 is the best idea.

I think either Cerberus did block Epi or Cerberus did try to kill Epi. I agree that GFish doesn't push Epi like he did without actually thinking he may have hit paydirt. But that doesn't make GFish good.

Top of my "string up" list:

Dizzy - Not hunting. Lying. Doesn't care who gets lynched. Probably LMS but possible scum.

Wigly - Fights against lynching Reapers and pro-Reaper neutrals. Puts forth an argument that doesn't get traction. Tells us he has a secret case but it turns out to be the same damn argument from before. Probably Reaper.

Epi - Barrel of WIFOM. We'll never know if he's good. He's pushing the kill Cerberus players (aka LC who I don't actually see as Cerberus) angle and that's all well and good but I need to see him kill ro-bits to trust him even a little bit. He's hard to kill at night and doesn't count towards the numbers so we can't rely on vig/mafia/LMS kills to take him out. We have to lynch him eventually.





Need to look at Nifty and Adam again. The initial arguments against were super compelling but the 8 bullet point back and forth posts went in my eyes and out my butt without making much impact. My gut tells me Adam is good and Nifty is bad but that's probably just my natural tendency to think Adam is good and Nifty is bad.

Then there's SVS. My heart tells me to be thankful someone finally noticed I was silenced and didn't take advantage. My head tells me I still have concrete reasons to suspect her. With all these other suspects, I can afford to just let her be for awhile.

Convinced LC, Fred, TSP are town. That leaves Nut, IR, MP, Sprityo.

Assuming Wigly, Dizzy and Epi are who I think they are, that leaves 1 Reaper and 2 Cerberus. So 3 baddies out of my 3 iffy suspects and 4 nullish reads.

Nifty and/or Adam could be Cerberus. Nut probably not Cerberus? IR probably not Reaper? MP possible Cerberus after the case to nowhere on GFIsh. SVS possibly Cerberus after staying on me while we lynched GFish. Or Reaper for staying on me while we almost lynched Epi. idk. There's time to figure this out.

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy does not appear to be hunting at all. Several times, Dizzy's been like "I'm okay with lynching *three people*." Dizzy's voting behavior also indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone.

Likely LMS type role. Almost too easy is all.

This post is at the top of my current latest page, so I see it briefly as I am reloading the page... meaning I have seen it several times. Every time I read that second paragraph, my suspiciometer goes all pingy. I don't know if it's the tone I read it with or what, but I tried it with a different tone in my head and still felt uneasy about it.

You think me and Dizzy are scumbuddies?

Let's lynch Dizzy, then. I'm confident he's not town.


@Fred

Don't worry about TSP. He's good. I ain't gonna come out and say why but he's 100% sunshine and rainbows.

Nifty looks better cause he didn't waste/"waste" a shot on trying to unvanilla you. Like, he's more likely to prove his power if he's not throwing it out the window.

Dizzy was absolutely voting for me Day 3 for a significant period of time.

Yeah, Wigly was being cryptic but in the end, there was no grand reveal, just one scummy post that he had pointed out as scummy and nobody else really latched on to. I hate it. Like, you know it's not convincing on its own. Putting a blanket over it and saying you promise there's something convincing under the blanket is not helpful. It's bad.

PS I think you've gotten like waaaaaaay better at mafia lately. Nominated you for the Champs game if you're down.

Long Con wrote:Here's a fun one. I'll take a page from Epignosis' book and say this: Silver Lantern's role was immune to a nightkill each night. There was a kill missing on Night 1. What if the Reapers targeted Silver Lantern on Night 1? Then they might assume he's Sovereign or a hostile LMS, and confidently move forward with trying to lynch him.

So, who stepped up the Silver Lantern pressure on Day 2?

Lol me I guess.

But seriously, nobody. I was annoyed nobody was following me on Silver even though everybody was suspicious of him. If I was Cerberus, I just lynch Epi Day 2 (saving GFish) and get Silver lynched Day 3 or 4. Silver can always be lynched later. Epi's a tough nut. This is the closest I've seen him to getting lynched and he claimed half baddie. I don't think anyone was after Silver because he was a mishit on Night 1. I think Epi was exactly right about GFish.

Epignosis wrote:Long Con believes in killing his own teammates.

Or getting them to kill him.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy does not appear to be hunting at all. Several times, Dizzy's been like "I'm okay with lynching *three people*." Dizzy's voting behavior also indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone.

Likely LMS type role. Almost too easy is all.

Excuse me, but I detest this comment. I may not be hunting in a way that you would do or you would want, but I am most certainly hunting and quite frankly I feel I'm doing well with it. You bet your bum I was willing to lynch three people, and I'm still willing to lynch at least one of them. Hello, before Silver was lynched there was still 7 non town players in the thread. What shade is this?

Nah, nah. You don't get to take credit for lynching Silver. I put down the case on Silver. I asked all the realms people what they thought of Silver and then reminded everyone Silver looked bad to all the HCRealms players and didn't look like Phenon Silver to all the Syndicate players.

You voted for me day 1, you voted for me day 2 and you voted for me day 3 even when you knew I was silenced. If you agreed with me on Silver (and indeed, you Silver posts could have come right out of my mouth), why were you trying to get me lynched?

I don't think you cared who got lynched as long as it wasn't you, which is why you hovered around the two players who couldn't/wouldn't defend themselves.

You've been taking the easy way out all game. Voting for me when it was popular. Voting for Epi when it was popular. Voting for Silver when it was popular. Voting for GFish when it was popular. You haven't made a single case on your own. Just blending in, going with the flow and OMGUS. You're not hunting. You're coasting.

Dyslexicon wrote: Explain to me how being willing to lynch multiple people indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone. Actually, this is an outright lie, I've explicitly said I did not want to lynch Wilgy or Adam, but I did want to lynch you, Nifty and Silver. Not idicating a preference. Gurl bye.

Preference for easy targets is all I see. Wigly and Adam were here to defend themselves. Silver was gone. I couldn't talk. Nifty stormed off.

Dyslexicon wrote:The only thing you can say is that I was gone large parts of D2. I don't have the time to be around all the time and I specifically didn't want this game to revolve so much around me for personal reasons. Maybe you are town and maybe you're upset I've been after you, actually you may be regardless of alignment. Remember when I thought Speed was scum for reasons I could not explain all of Phenon? This is the feeling I have with you. I explained my read on you at least briefly. You of all people do not get to call my suspicion OMGUS and you do not get to call me a liar.

Again, nah nah. You said you felt "strongly"
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p357481
that I was scum and voted for me. I got suspects coming out of my ears because certain players are so obviously bad. You feel "strongly" that I'm bad....because gut? And that's your best bet for finding a baddie?

Dyslexicon wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Oh yeah. One more reason Dizzy isn't town and likely needs to go.

Dizzy tried to lynch me in spite of my silencing, arguing that my silence was a trick that essentially put me out of sight and out of mind.

However, ctrl+f "Jack" on the previous page got 37 results and I was tied for the most votes on me at the time.

Not sure if Diz was trying to set me up as part of the silencing or if they were just trying to get rid of one of the few players that suspected him but either way, I like lynching liars.

What are you even trying to argue here? What did I lie about supposedly? I was willing to lynch you this phase and that had nothing to do with you being silenced or not, but I'm not a player who's going to back off just because someone is silenced or someone is feeling bad or someone has an exam or whatever. When people started discussing that you might've been silenced they were moving off of you. Explain my lie. Don't throw shit like this around. Seriously annoying.

You said
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p357490
I was forgotten. While I had a bunch of votes on me. While everyone was talking about me. That's a lie.

Epignosis wrote:ME1 combat is total bullshit. Who designed this?

Oh.

Well okay then.

sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?

I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.

Protip: It may seem fashionable but good mafia players don't default to voting for me.

sprityo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?

I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.

I believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independent

I just dont think he's playing towards the town's interest as of current. (or at least on my last check of him)

Based on what?

I swapped a Town/Robot player for a Doggie player yesterday.

Today, my case on a Robot got him lynched.

What more would you like me to do? Specifically, what has caused you to come to this conclusion?

sprityo wrote:im going to vote silver just in case, so no funny business happens

Jesus.

Remind me never to give a read on a player when I'm a page behind.

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy does not appear to be hunting at all. Several times, Dizzy's been like "I'm okay with lynching *three people*." Dizzy's voting behavior also indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone.

Likely LMS type role. Almost too easy is all.

Nah. I'd lean more toward that's Mafia Dizzy, but I don't really know Dizzy's playstyle that well. From this post, I would be looking hard at you, Jack, should Dizzy ever turn up bad. And vice-versa, I guess.

By your estimation, how many mafia members do I need to get lynched before you become absolutely certain that I am mafia?

If one person kept voting for me for no reason, I'd latch on like a bulldog and tear them apart.

There have been eight of you, though. We lynched one today and that worked out great. Pretty sure Fred is town. Not sure what to do with the other six.

Oh yeah. One more reason Dizzy isn't town and likely needs to go.

Dizzy tried to lynch me in spite of my silencing, arguing that my silence was a trick that essentially put me out of sight and out of mind.

However, ctrl+f "Jack" on the previous page got 37 results and I was tied for the most votes on me at the time.

Not sure if Diz was trying to set me up as part of the silencing or if they were just trying to get rid of one of the few players that suspected him but either way, I like lynching liars.

Fredwood wrote:I didn't vote for anyone until late in the phase, so never saw your jumping around. I did notice you in the users viewing though, but wasn't pursuing you today You were going to be yelling at SIlver anyway so we got there.

DIz I could see as a neutral, don't really see the bad. Voting gives some form of credit right?

I'm willing to give Nifty leeway, the Anderson claim is strong, want it proven, until it's otherwise...don't know what to do with him. Why do you think he's bad?

Why is TSP good?

Where do you stand on Spirit, nut and Adam?

Voting doesn't give Diz any credit. I've been waving the lynch Silver flag for awhile while Dizzy voted for me for pretty much the same reasons Silver did (Jack is mafia cause...I think so/omgus).

Why is the Anderson claim strong? There are a handful of "that claim makes me trust you more" characters. Anderson is not one of them. Though... is that power provable?

Cause pay attention.

Null for all three. I don't like Wigly's little "I'll tell you later" gambit on Sprityo. There are lots of good targets for lynches without clutching at one post straws and pretending there's something else there. Did Sprit's WIFOM JoH post help? Not really. Does it make him bad? Not even close. I don't think he's helped too much but he made a post or two I liked iirc. Someone made a good case on Adam and he did a good job of refuting it. I didn't go back and read stuff to get my own take on it. I appreciate him not voting for me but then again, Adam has never been part of the "never trust Jack" club. Nut is just kinda around. Not being super active but I generally like where her votes are falling. Gtth, I'll call them all town due to process of elimination/gut.

Dizzy does not appear to be hunting at all. Several times, Dizzy's been like "I'm okay with lynching *three people*." Dizzy's voting behavior also indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone.

Likely LMS type role. Almost too easy is all.

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:D) Epi, your rainbow comment was hilarious. Hope you made the right call.

And which call is that?

Ghostbusters.

A) Tolja Silver was bad

B) Yes, I was silenced. You guys were freaking killing me. Spent over a day voting for my clearly stated town reads (Fred, LC) and then for everyone who voted in the hopes that someone, anyone would see that I was voting for them and ask me why I wasn't giving my reasoning. Then SVS is all like "pleasantly surprised you aren't voting for me, Jack" ....while I AM voting for her and Dizzy's all like "Yeah, Jack does seem to be moving his vote around a lot."

C) I hate silencers. I'd never silence myself in a game unless it came with lynch immunity. I'm a hell of a tap dancer, often being second or third lynch option several days in a row. I've been lynched as town on the Realms exactly once, when there was no time for me to post between the accusation and the hammer. This is out of hundreds of games. WIFOM is not a good tradeoff for not being able to post. And if I ever was going to pull that kinda gambit, you can bet I wouldn't risk it with like five people posting non arguments against me to justify their ro-bity votes.

D) Epi, your rainbow comment was hilarious. Hope you made the right call.

E) Dizzy is likely neutral or bad. Nifty is likely bad. TSP is good. Wigly is more likely Reaper than LC is Cerberus by a mile.

Silver Lantern wrote:Taking the liberty of paraphrasing

Jack: "Silver isn't hunting, ergo he's scum silver."

I openly admit that I have not led and I have not been hunting at all.

But you know what stops Town Silver from hunting Jack? Constantly being on the defensive from your BS accusations. You know that you know how to push my buttons like nobody's business and you know that by pushing on me, you will keep me tied up from participating with the town.

That right there is reason #1 why you're scum.

So the number one reason I'm scum is because you decided to Phone in the game?

Dyslexicon wrote:Caught up:

Fredwood wrote:Dizzy, floating through the thread like a adhd butterfly whose wings sprinkle a dusting of cocaine in her wake.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Lol I hate your gambit, Epi.

Cause you could be a bulletproof don. You could be the Cylons and you then side with the mafia, especially if we lynch a townie or two. I'm gonna feel stupid if either of these turn out to be the case, whereas I won't feel stupid if we lynch you no matter what. But like....I believe this is a thing you would do. It's exactly the kind of outside the box "I am so much smarter than you" trickery you'd pull. And if you are the Geth, you don't know if the people going after you are Cerberus or Reapers so you're knowingly opening the possibility of weakening one of your potential sides to help the town.

But you know they're not town? =)

CaptainNifty wrote:I could say the same to you.

Try to use less arrogance, bullshit, or whatever your trying to sling. Syndicate may think you are some kind of mafia genius, but half the players here don't know you or frankly care about your reputation.

Without you giving something up, or someone else providing more info, I see no reason to move my vote.

This tenacity reads more town to me.

Dom wrote:POLL: Do you think Jack was really making a fucking rainbow list, using color codes that are all in HEX (right-- that's HEX right?) in quick reply?
That sounds like some serious bullshit to me.

This argument is sexy regardless of if it's right or not.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Last night, Reaper targeted CBob. Unless JOH is totally tricking me, what he said about CBob on day 1 suggests to me that he would not go for CBob for a night kill night one, as he basically prepped the other team to do that.

Wait what? How do you know this? Why are you talking about Jack as comfirmed scum here?

@Dizzy

The point was that while Epi was doing his gambit to catch scum trying to kill him, HE didn't know if he would catch bots or dogies but he did it anyway. So as a player that can win with the boys or the town, he made a gambit that could hurt the bots, which is a good look. (Assuming he's actually the Geth, which we can't know since GFish was a doggie.)

@TSP

I feel you.
Maybe you can feel me later?

@Dizzy

Define placeholder.

Why is SVS good? Why is Adam good?

Dom wrote:How can you not like someone's answers you claim to have not received.
Those are incompatible.

Did I say I didn't like Nut's answer?

Maybe I meant I didn't like Nut's answer to my request for her to wow me, not the Fish/Bob/Jack thing she never answered. Or maybe her answer was so bad, I forgot I got one.

Whatever. She's maybe bad but I got a lot of bigger fish to fry.

Dom wrote: You probably aren't Cerberus, but your reason for not being Reaper is malarkey.

Okay. Just wait til I find a toaster.

Dom wrote:Why Adam Might Be Cerberus

Adam, leading up to gfish's lynch, made five posts in which he mentioned gfish.

Post #1: A Read List where he lists him as a civ read.

Here, he takes the side of gfish against epignosis.

"my inclination is that gfish is town"

With very little explanation, his read switches to bad.

His vote on gfish


What do we think?

I like this a lot. Adam is traditionally a pragmatist, much like me. He'll vote for the top suspect if his bigger ones aren't on the chopping block.

So i expect him to last minute lynch a yellow. Not a green, though.

Dom wrote: I have not ignored your posts. You continue to ignore mine. I'm not playing a *both of us are wrong* game here.

We're not both wrong.

You're wrong. I'm right. I lynched a mafia member.

DrWilgy wrote:I need from each player, in only 3 sentences minimum, who are GFish's teammates and why.

Adam and SVS.

Dom's case on Adam is convincing.

Here is the entirety of SVS's posts about GFish this game even though GFish was front and center the entire day.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... sh#p355496
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... sh#p355499
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... sh#p355844
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... sh#p356402

Vague civ reads and slight mentions at the very beginning of the game. That's it. She has spent the entire last day on me based on a bad case and has refused to engage me and encouraged me to not engage with players who were voting for me. After I spent a long time trying to get Silver lynched to no avail, she told me to keep at it and said nothing about the case itself. There's also the previously mentioned attempt to attach herself to Dom.

A probable baddie that has nothing specific at all to say about our great late scummer? Yeah, that looks like a teammate to me.

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

If you magically knew I was town, who would you vote for today and why?

I know you don't know this. Humor me.

....kindly read my posts, dude. I have expressed unease about other players. Just because you don't remember them doesn't mean they don't exist. Off the top of my head, I have expressed distrust of LC, gfish, and Silver Lantern.
Counter: Instead of making me the center of attention (someone you claim to town read), why don't you focus your attention on someone you actually scum read?
And why aren't you voting SVS if she's so bad?

To be honest, neither of us are looking at each other's posts about other people enough.

I've been frustrated with you and seen you as not worth engaging. You've been tunneling on me and assuming my mouth is a cow's anus.

Your other suspects are noted. Can you give me more about LC and Silver? I think LC is town and Silver is bad. Who do you think is more likely to be bad? Why? What team do you suspect them to be on.

As for me not voting SVS, it's cause SVS was my....fourth biggest suspect? Silver, Gfish, Epi. Then SVS, unless I'm forgetting someone. I only have but one vote to give.

S~V~S wrote:
At first I was probably a misguided civvie, now I am suddenly bad? I am far from ignoring you. And you are just No U-ing Dom, and now me. I play differently than most people, I am sorry you think it is lazy. It is not.

SVS, curious, where do you get that Jack suspects me?
I think it's easier for him to make the questions about the nature of my argument than his content. He's deflecting for sure. Where do you see a NO U?

I would like the answer to this as well. I don't suspect Dom of being scum at this point.

I've seen his town game. It's frustrating. I have no reason to believe he is scum. No other player has stated they think his behavior makes him scum.

I believe him to be a tunneling townie. I feel like SVS thinks f she groups herself with Dom, she thinks it makes me attack both of you at once or else provides double the weight to her accusation. It doesn't.

Dom, this better be the last I hear about your stupid rainbow theory. If you ask me any of these questions again for the rest of this game, I will link you to this post.

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Dom's logic goes:
Bad assumption->Therefore Jack is lying->Therefore Jack is bad. He's been stuck there ever since.

Use specifics to show this.

Here is you making an assumption, that I did not make a rainbow in the quick reply. Here is you clarifying this assumption, that I did not in fact make a colored rainbow in the quick reply because you think using hexcode is freaking impossible in the quick reply. But here's the thing. I never said the rainbow was colored in hexcodes. In fact, most of my rainbows are black and white, as seen here. But you know this because you quoted the last part of my post and ignored the first part.

I feel like you are purposely being dense. Quoting half of my post and then asking a question that is literally explained in the other half of the same post. It is super annoying.


So there's that. You wrongly assume I claimed to make a hexcode rainbow. Thus, I was lying. Thus I was scum.

This is in contrast to SVS, who came in and said my Nutella case made no sense for reasons that made it clear she hadn't actually read my Nutella case. Then, when this was explained, she stayed voting for me and refused to say why.

1. Why do you think nutella is suspicious?

Because she was supa town in Phenon and has done squat, here. She's not hunting. She's not answering questions.

She previously pinged me by saying she town read Bob, Gfish and me after I had spent all day fighting with Bob and Gfish. I had trouble believing that you could believe my content but also think I was wrong, particularly after playing one game with me and zero games with Bob and GFish. Upon reread, Nutella said she slightly read me as town so...not as bad as I initially thought. Not worth being as aggressive as I was. Still not great.

2. Why do you excuse MP?

Cause I liked his day one a lot. He hasn't said anything that I found dishonest. He also made it clear that he understood my Nutella case and thought it was weak.

This is in contrast to SVS, who did not understand my Nutella case.

3. Why did you deflect answers to these questions when I asked them earlier?

Initially, I deflected because I thought your rainbow theory was totally ridiculous. I didn't know you thought I claimed to have made a hex colored rainbow list. It is reasonable to think I did based on your perspective.

I made clear that I misunderstood you here. However, you've continued to harp on the rainbow thing, long after I explained it. What am I supposed to do? Keep repeating the same thing? If you're not gonna read in the first time or the second time, why bother say it a third time? It's not gonna convince you.

Furthermore, you've continually used aggressively worded questions and statements like "Why are you so suspicious?" and "Why do you keep deflecting instead of answering my questions?" even while I've answered those same questions in other posts, sometimes aimed at other people.

An unconvinceable guy asking me questions I've already answered? Why would I bother engaging with you? If you wanted these answers, you could have ISOed me. I said so here.

4. Why did you say you misunderstood my allegations against you, but then also argue that they have been answered and are bullshit/loaded/etc?

I initially thought they were bullshit because I didn't understand the hex thing. I then explained what I actually meant and provided evidence that my rainbow posts are often made entirely of white text. You continued to ask about it. At that point, the question HAD been answered. The theory is bullshit. It's wrong. Obviously. I've posted links to a half dozen black/white text rainbows. If you're unconvinced, you're tunneling. If others are unconvinced, they're lying. Hence, bullshit.

5. You suspect Silver Lantern. I have expressed concerns (based on your posts, you haven't read them). Why is silver lantern more likely to be bad than you?

Well, I am town based on my role PM.

I am not reaver based on trying to kill Epi for about half the day while also trying to kill Silver (who pointedly did not want to lynch Epi but didn't say why) and while Wigly (who was also unwilling to lynch Epi) kept threatening to kill me. So if I want to kill a bot and all the bot's friends want to kill me....I'm not a bot.

I'm not Cerberus because if I was Cerberus, I wouldn't have switched over to GFish. A Geth or reaver don lynch would have made me happy. No reason to bus a teammate who had 2 or 3 votes on him at the time.

So I'm not Cerberus and I'm not a Reaver. I must be town or at least neutral, right? You worried about me winning as LMS? With all these people after my head? Best to just assume I'm town and not worry about it.

As for Silver, here is my case against him. Summarized, he's acting like scum Silver, not town Silver. He's going through the motions, taking easy ways out, not explaining himself. He's throwing fits but they feel forced. He's not doing anything to help the town because he's not town. He also refused to vote Epi or GFish.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p357024
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p356785
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p356734
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p356882
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p355632
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p356076
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p356238
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... er#p356295

6. Do you think it's good policy to win as a civ to say, "I don't see the merit in engaging with you" to someone who suspects you? If so, why?

It can be, if there is no merit in engaging with someone. Suppose God told you to vote for me no matter what and you never made a single decent point against me. What would be gained by addressing your non accusations in this situation? I'm not convincing you. I'm not convincing anyone else. It's just a distraction.

Indeed, some players have said I have spent too much time messing around with you as is.

7. You have criticized others for being weak and vague. Please point to your own posts in which you have been strong and specific.

You can check my above linked posts about Silver. I have been very specific. Strong is subjective but all of my rainbows have been commited. I'm not being wishy washy. Most players have their place and a reason for them in my rainbows. You can find my rainbows on your own, right? I don't need to link you to them?

8. What didn't you like about nutella's answers to your questions and why do they make her bad?

Nutella never answered my questions. This doesn't necessarily make her bad but it's a bad look.





Good enough? I'd like to ask you some questions but my priority is never having to come back to this line of questioning again because it is super frustrating and I just can't do it on my phone.

DrWilgy wrote:Because based on Epi's role, he probably doesn't have btsc with the other Reapers.

It's not as much of a loss than yourself, especially when you are unsure of Epi.

JoH, I don't know the case on you. What I do know is that under pressure you didn't act like a dying civ.

I wasn't a dying civ.

Epi had more votes and then GFish had more votes.

There were three players (Dom, Silver and SVS) who were not interested in having an honest discussion about my alignment. There were two players (Sprityo and Fred, who fell off and was also confirmed) that said they didn't even scumread me but just wouldn't be able to trust me. There were also TSP and GFish who didn't vote for me until it was too late but they didn't provide real reading for voting for me over Epi or GFish.

Six votes (not counting Fred). Zero convincing reasons. Two alternative lynch targets were were obviously bad.

I was never in danger of being lynched and if I was wrong about that? The story writes itself. "Scum follows bullshit reasoning to save their buddy. Refuses to give reasons for lynching a townie. Gets caught and loses game."


Out of curiosity, how do you think a dying civ is supposed to act?

If I'm reaper, why did I spend half the day with my vote on Epi?

Why are the players advocating for not lynching the ro-bit so vaguely convinced I am scum?

Silver is clearly reaper. Wigly might be. He sure went out of his way to save Epi and kill GFish. One scum is as good as another to me. Wigly wanted Cerberus only dead.

Look at this bullshit.

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:My apologies to our fine hosts as well as you all for my absence. My schedule took an unexpected turn yesterday and what I thought was going to be a mostly off day but still at home ended up being a mostly off day with an impromptu road trip and spending time with my wife which I really needed. It just means today I've been playing massive work catchup.

I won't be able to catch up on this thread before EoD I'm sure, and I still have more work to do throughout the evening, so I'll try to get the gist of what's going on, at least make a vote, and be more properly engaged in time for the next phase.

tell her I say hi

You bet, bud.

So what's going on, Doctor Wilgy? Want to give me a quick rundown? Why are you voting the way you are?

Tl;dr A group wants JoH dead, though I haven't really been paying attention to this case, Epi claims indi which creates a group voting for him as he's not town beneficial, I argue that it won't gain us info and argued for the Gfish wagon which recently took off.

I'm voting Gfish because I do not believe he is hunting. I also do not believe his role claim in which he chose to role block Epi instead of alignment check him when the possibility was there.

DrWilgy wrote:Reads -

Likely Cerberus:
LC, MP, TSP, Silver... maaaaybe Sprit

Likely Reaper:
JoH, Nut, Raven

If I die tonight, I'd like to see LC and JoH lynched next. JoH's behavior before Gfish took off wasn't indicative of a civilian.

I would like to know Raven's correlation to Dom.

You don't know what the case on me is but you're sure I'm bad?

It's like you, SVS and Silver are showing up to a party wearing the same dress and the dress is "vague accusations against Jack."

If I'm a reaper, why did I jump on the Epi train?

Prediction: I will still get at least three votes right off the bat tomorrow if I survive the night.

Someone should shoot Silver or SVS. Epi is too dangerous to shoot if he's really Geth.

malakim2099 wrote:Night 1

In a small room, someone was hunched over the keyboard, attempting to use a terminal. However, no matter what they tried, the terminal refused to grant them access.

Elsewhere, a metallic woman looked over at an intruder, “I don’t know how you obtained access to this area, but I am your physical superior. Surrender.”
The intruder smiled coldly, “I don’t think so.” As the metallic woman advanced, the intruder reached out with surprising swiftness, grasping her throat in a grip tight enough to dent the metal, “I’ve also had upgrades.”
The metallic woman heard the click of a thermal clip in a pistol as the intruder brought up the weapon in their other hand, “And you are too dangerous. I’d say it was nothing personal… but that would be a lie.”
Her last words were, “Jeff…” before the intruder fired once. Silence descended as the intruder made their way out.

Colonialbob is dead! He was EDI (Town), AI bombshell who liked the sight of humans on their knees.

Oye.

Check out the first paragraph. That look like a failed Cerberus kill to you guys?

Not flamethower blocked. Not Geth toughness, from my guess. What do the ME players see?

sprityo wrote:

Fredwood wrote: 1. Dom, Spirit, and SVS. What specifically do you need to be happy with Jack...at this point is there anything that he can say that won't make you want to lynch him today or any other day? I doubt, even if you caught him, he's likely to admit to being Scum. I'm not sold on Jack's civness either, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for his busy at work explanation, but if he's going to be a continuing distraction for a large portion of the players...

(this is where i am in catching up..... so pretty far behind)

To be happy with jack, i need a concrete case that shows he is trying to work towards the town's benefit. Usually i play with "everyone is innocent until proven guilty," but as of current I kinda want Jack out of the way to not further cloud my judgement. Because if he isnt cleared up soon, then i'll never be able to move him out of a null/light scum position. That case becomes more hazardous the longer he stays in the game maintaining the same status he currently has. There's nothing that he can do to change my mind today i think (or least as far as ive read). Even a role claim will not convince me, if anything it shows desperation to survive. (which i personally view as a usually mafia based thing to do). im slowly catching up, but for now im still maintaining my vote on Jack.


Also Fredwood i liked the other points you had listed in that post. makes me feel better about you.

You'd fit in brilliantly on HCRealms.

Silver Lantern wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Fred

Please stop. We're on the same side and I can't stand it.

How on earth could you possibly know that you and Fred are on the same team? What a scummy thing to say in a game with 2 mafias lol.

Fred is confirmed town and I've read my role pm.

Epignosis wrote:I can't "turn" bad. I am, if you will, but a passenger who merely chooses which car to ride in.

Programmed to be difficult, I see.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:My apologies to our fine hosts as well as you all for my absence. My schedule took an unexpected turn yesterday and what I thought was going to be a mostly off day but still at home ended up being a mostly off day with an impromptu road trip and spending time with my wife which I really needed. It just means today I've been playing massive work catchup.

I won't be able to catch up on this thread before EoD I'm sure, and I still have more work to do throughout the evening, so I'll try to get the gist of what's going on, at least make a vote, and be more properly engaged in time for the next phase.

tell her I say hi

You bet, bud.

So what's going on, Doctor Wilgy? Want to give me a quick rundown? Why are you voting the way you are?

I got this you guys.


Epi claimed Geth so he's probably bad or will turn bad. But maybe not. Much argument about this.

GFish claimed flamethrower dude and he tried to block/kill Epi last night. He was scummy and stuff before but the fact that he's claiming to have done a potential kill before using his cop ability is really fishy.

Silver is obviously scum. Doesn't want to lynch Epi or GFish. Is not hunting.

Several people are voting for me for stupid reasons but I'm town.

@Fred

Please stop. We're on the same side and I can't stand it.

Silver Lantern wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Yeah, gfishfunk is a liar. Who the hell uses a block / kill BEFORE an alignment check.

Lies.

Obviously you have never played with Gfish...

He does dumb shit all the time, lololol.

Yeah but not this dumb.

That's a safeclaim.

I don't doubt that Gfish of making such a dumb play on purpose, but it does seem way more irresponsible than he'd probably be with a copping. Plus do you honestly believe he wouldn't cop, you, me, or IR? I don't think so...

I still think you're scum tho, so stop buddying up to me, I already told you it was your tell.

Whatever you say, toaster.

"Oh, Epi is claiming baddie and GFish looks terrible. Guess I'll keep voting for Jack."