The Syndicate

I think Rabbit is good after yesterday.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
You didn't answer my question.
I answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.

For me.

Why then did you come out of that lynching saying that Simon must be town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:47 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:36 pm Bad guys are Hazlenut, Mac, and Sloonster.

Dis is de wae.
Someone analyze this. It’s 11 words so it won’t be hard.

WIFOM from a baddie. It means nothing.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 am Had I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.

I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.

Nobody is saying Simon, Jimmy and Speed are bad together.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:40 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:24 am Tell me why Speedchuck or Dunya would be preferable or even comparably good lynches to Simon if I didn't have info. Cause I don't see it, Jimmy. So for you and Marmot to say you think I do have info but to vote against that, for strictly less suspicious people? I have a hard time squaring that with townie alignment.

Tell me what you think of Simon's reaction to this train, Lap's last minute switch, Tony's insistence that Simon would have been bussed if he was bad but not if he was good, Wilgy's vote for Speed and Eloh's "lynch Dunya over Simon but only lynch Simon if Dunya flips scum."
"Strictly less suspicious people" is where you and I diverge. Apart from this possible information, which I am already conditioned not to entirely trust in a game with multiple blockers, a switcher, and 20+ ??? abilities that do god knows what, I didn't believe the case against Simon was that interesting. Indeed, for me the potential that information existed was the case against Simon. It wasn't "information exists and he is also super suspicious". He's a 10 year old kid that rarely gets heavily involved in a game. I've never seen him do much more than he has here regardless of alignment. His specific reaction to the train was to place a self-preservation vote. That is protocol. I'd have liked it more if he said something too. He'll be a suspect moving forward.

~ Lap's late switch fits her continued suspicion of dunya. She has said that she was afraid of being manipulated by dunya or something similar, and given MacDougall's comments at the end I can frankly believe her on that.

~ I don't know what you're referring to yet re: TSP. Stand by.

~ Wilgy is also a suspect and I don't think it matters much what speedchuck's alignment is on that front.

~ I said earlier that I didn't like Elohcin gluing dunya to Simon merely because she had defended him. That's an overly simplistic read and it felt shoehorned into a thread which was begging for dunya votes. One can also suggest that if she and Simon are mafia, then by gluing dunya to him and lynching her first she severs that tie and makes him look better -- this is a more speculative notion but it's worth discussion.

You did not answer my question.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?

You didn't answer my question.

So weak in fact, it was missing an a.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:02 pm Y'all: if you suspect both Simon and speedchuck, put your vote speedchuck.

Jimmy's case on Speedchuck was week as can be.

Jimmy didn't ask everyone to move to Speed, just Simon voters.

#Youarebad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:54 am @JaggedJimmyJay

That wasn't a hypothetical question. I want you to walk me through what you were trying to do minutes before EOD with the switch to Speed.
I was trying to lynch speedchuck. 14 minutes is a long time. In Mountain Mafia I went from third place in a tally to first place, covering about 5-6 votes dropped on me in quick succession, in the space of about 10 minutes. I wanted to make that happen. Hot potatoes only require a series of clicks by active players in the thread. I didn't succeed.

Depends on your goal.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

That wasn't a hypothetical question. I want you to walk me through what you were trying to do minutes before EOD with the switch to Speed.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:21 pm When did Simon change, he voted me earlier.....

Two votes, one post from Simon. No defense. No hint.

Baddies: Simon, Jimmy, Wilgy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:11 pm I really need to finish my presentation on civilian philosophy that nobody will watch. I respect that you believe what you're saying sig, but these kinds of "X saved Y!" and "X is trying to hot potatoe Y civilian!" type arguments fall flat so much more frequently than they amount to anything. Catching mafia is not that easy.

WIFOM

"The baddie thing I am doing is too blatantly bad. Catching baddies is not this easy. Ergo I am not bad."

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:27 am They don't have to do anything relevant. I am a player continually thinking through the end of the phase and my mind will morph in accordance with all accumulated data.
speedchuck was my preference and I tried to generate that lynch when Mac made it clear he wanted an alternative.

So with 8 votes on Simon (who you thought I had info on) and 6 votes on Dunya (who you thought was town) and 14 min to go, you decided to tell people voting Simon to switch to Speed, who had 1 vote on him.

But you're a townie and couldn't anticipate how this plan could have resulted in a townie lynch?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:03 pm There are 14 minutes. Vote speedchuck. Go.

Jimmy is bad with Simon.

Jimmy, please explain what happened between here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:46 pm Voted Simon.

And here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:59 pm Simon is who the scum want to lynch. Agreed?

That makes him the worst candidate.
I'd rather lynch speedchuck.

Cause neither Simon nor Speedchuck did anything relevant between these posts.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:43 pm Lynch me on my content if you want to, but don't use my attendance at a freaking wedding to throw shade. That's desperate and low.

I'm freaking trying. Ask me questions, because I can't catch up like this

Can confirm. Speedchuck wasn't on our Chatsy all night.

With HCRealms games, you have safeclaims, misdirectors, bus drivers, shape shifters, hiders, scum who die and flip town and then come back and flip bad when you kill them a second time. All in the same game.

Here, the front page tells you there are lots of info gatherers and next to know misdirection roles.

I'm trusting someone on the Syndicate who I think probably has info more than I trust someone on the realms who says "I copped so and so mafia."

I take back my complaints of Dunya giving up. Defending yourself until 3 am is more than a fair try.

Plus the misdirector is a townie and I haven't had any votes on me.

There's a cop, a lie detector, a letter learner and a tracker plus hidden powers. There is one known power that would make any of these incorrect.

Meanwhile Ermac said a block wasn't the cause of the failure so the multiple blocks don't enter into it.

If you think night power info is the only reason for the Simon case (it isn't. Dunya did a comparison of townie and scum Simon in previous games), I don't see why you wouldn't follow it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:21 pm I'm staying on speedchuck.
Why? You thought I had info on Simon.

Explain to me why taking a stand on Speedchuck was more important than lynching a baddie.
Information is theoretical, and in these huge ass complex setups it is nothing close to infallible. It is a component of a decision, not the entirety. My least favorite thing as of the deadline was speedchuck's handling of MacDougall's ghost. I was also expecting dunya to save herself at the end with a Simon vote. I didn't anticipate the last-second switch from lapluie or dunya's resignation.

Either Simon or speedchuck were agreeable lynches to me. I don't view either of those lynches as undeniable slam dunks.

Tell me why Speedchuck or Dunya would be preferable or even comparably good lynches to Simon if I didn't have info. Cause I don't see it, Jimmy. So for you and Marmot to say you think I do have info but to vote against that, for strictly less suspicious people? I have a hard time squaring that with townie alignment.

Tell me what you think of Simon's reaction to this train, Lap's last minute switch, Tony's insistence that Simon would have been bussed if he was bad but not if he was good, Wilgy's vote for Speed and Eloh's "lynch Dunya over Simon but only lynch Simon if Dunya flips scum."

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:32 pm I haven't read in a couple days, but I do remember Dunya coming in here defending Simon a lot to someone who was suspecting him. So, that alone is a Simon/Dunya teammie ping. I will put my vote on Dunya since she has the most already. And if she turns out bad, I say we go Simon next.

Yuckyuckyuck.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:21 pm I'm staying on speedchuck.

Why? You thought I had info on Simon.

Explain to me why taking a stand on Speedchuck was more important than lynching a baddie.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pm
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:04 pm IDK about Quinn though....
Look at what quin is doing. No attempt to solve the mafia. He is just trying to find where to hide his vote.
Hide his vote, hes been tunneling Dunya all day.... I wasn't even moved until recently with a few of Duns posts.

You can't hide your vote in a train you created on someone you claim is on his team no less. That would just be confusing to do considering all the players you lumped together.

I think what MIGHT have happened is Speed and Dunya are teammates with Jack, possibly Simon and railroaded Simon to save those two from a three way tie. Or Simons a civ who wont defend himself anyway.

I at mentioned Simon when I initially voted for him at the beginning of the phase. Nobody's sneaking a lynch in on Simon.

He was around to defend himself. Choose not to.

He's bad.

You think me and Simon are bad together? Let me lynch Simon. What do you care?

Super annoyed that Dunya basically let herself die.

Super annoyed that Mac thought Simon was mafia and still fought tooth and nail against us lynching him.

Maybe townies try to lynch mafia okay? Let's try that as a new strategy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:53 pm The most recent page of speedchuck's ISO is heavy in self-defense and neutral commentary. Indeed, the only "hunting" I see is an agreement with dunya wondering aloud about LC as Kano. He griped at confirmed dead civilian MacDougall again. Not great.
Why is griping at a dead civilian a bad look?
It's pointless. MacDougall is here for one phase presumably, and he wants speedchuck dead. I don't get the impression speedchuck has done anything with that other than voice his irritation. If he's innocent, then the direct interaction with the corpse-who-hates-him is lacking.

Go look at that ISO. Does it look to you like a civilian speedchuck dealing with an incorrect confirmed civilian? He hasn't given Mac the time of day other than to at him and pooh pooh his play.

Yes, absolutely it does.

When someone who you know makes a case against you that is just saying you are bad over and over, that is annoying and Speedchuck has acted annoyed.

Now I am annoyed because I was thinking we'd lynch a baddie and I could focus on Speedchuck but instead we lynched a townie and now I have to second guess you and Tony.

"I think Jack has info that says Simon is bad but I'm gonna lynch a different player who is a townie instead."

Yuck yuck yuck.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:44 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:40 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:38 pm If Simom does flip civ it should be noted that JJJ and Dunya switched to simon after I voted for speed and tied it briefly. So if Simon does flip civ and speed votes mafia then it should be noted who saved him.
I didn't even see you'd taken your vote off me or jjj voted Simon. at this point I'm inclined to believe Jack has info. If he doesn't he's being silly.
Silly? Why would Jack pretend such a thing when one of his alternate suspects, speedchuck, is a counter wagon?

Yuck.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:43 pm I don't think we're in this place in the absence of information. The surety of that information can be questioned, but I have no good reason to read Simon as a civilian.

Yuck.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:30 pm Tough lynch. Should have been a baddie. RIP.
Damn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?

I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.

I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.

Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
Simon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.
Bullshit.

Simon is an easy as can be fall guy if he's town.

He's bad as Leroy Brown.
They didn’t need a fall guy, they had a Dunya lynch.

Then they didn't need to bus Simon now did they?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.

Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:36 pm I cannot help but notice Simon came in and voted Dunya without a word.
he voted around when he made this post:

Simon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:46 pm Voted Simon.

Without. A. Word.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:30 pm Tough lynch. Should have been a baddie. RIP.
Damn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?

I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.

I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.

Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
Simon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.

Bullshit.

Simon is an easy as can be fall guy if he's town.

He's bad as Leroy Brown.

I cannot help but notice Simon came in and voted Dunya without a word.

In the bathroom on my date. Rahr Winter Wamer was too good to pass up.

When I left, Simon was to be lynched and people believed I had info on him or I was "being silly."

When the movie started, I took a screenshot of the votes.

Several pages later and it seems Dunya is hung. Very curious to learn exactly why and if she is in fact bad. Very interested indeed. Happy hunting, chums.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:41 pm
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:38 pm Simon had no posts on day 3, how the fuck does this make any sense?
Made has also disappeared, very bizarre. doesn't always necessarily mean they are bad, but I played one time with players who did not show up because they did not care for their roles, as they would presume it being a weak or non helpful contributions

There are no weak roles only weak players and unbalanced games.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:00 pm Regarding Speedchuck, his finalvotes have been yuck until today. Nobody's forgetting that or Mac's insistence that he is bad. We should all remember these things as well as Speed's skill in faking being a townie.....and vote elsewhere for now.
Wert speedchuck, can you elaborate on this post Jack?

Why did you earlier encourage players to vote away from speedchuck?

Cause

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:00 pm Regarding Speedchuck, his finalvotes have been yuck until today. Nobody's forgetting that or Mac's insistence that he is bad. We should all remember these things as well as Speed's skill in faking being a townie.....and vote elsewhere for now.
Why
Cause a 90% chance to catch scum with a 10% chance to mislynch an unhelpful townie is better than a 50% chance to catch scum and a 50% chance to mislynch a really helpful townie.

Plus, I'd rather bet the game on Day 8 on 8 days of actual Speedchuck content than have to do it on basically half a day of content some of the other players are going to give by that point in time.

We have time to let Speedchuck prove or bury himself. Simon's at max badness right now.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:22 pm Jackofhearts2005, you've been treating Wilgy and Simon as foregone-conclusion mafia members. What inspires such confidence?
ISO me or follow me and find out.
I think he was asking what LC and Kyle and Glor were instigating about Lap.

Is Simon 100 percent scum, Jack?

We've been over this in Mountains. I won't claim to have info or admit I don't. It's against the rules.

Look how hard it is to lynch Simon when he's so clearly bad.

Look how many people coming up with excuses to leave Simon alone or voting for no reason (particularly, Dunya, Wilgy, other two most suspicious players).

They sooooooooo bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:22 pm Jackofhearts2005, you've been treating Wilgy and Simon as foregone-conclusion mafia members. What inspires such confidence?

ISO me or follow me and find out.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:17 pm How da fua is there a case on Simon?

What about Dave? Or Eloh or......

Dave and Eloh are both significantly more town than Simon.

You got a reason to think Simon is good? Lay it on me.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:56 pm The worst thing Dunya has done is not push to lynch Sig.

It's saying "I think Marmot is doing a thing that townies do and also I am going to vote for Simon, who is bad......*votes Marmot*"

I wouldn't be heartbroken if Dunya was lynched today. I could see her as w/w with Simon or Wilgy. Since Wilgy and Simon are both bad, this makes w/w/w.
Hahahah.

K. Lynch me.

You didn't play vocaroo (my last game). I was very persistent that Simon was scum. Read all his scum/town games and tried to translate that into vocaroo meta. Elohcin was a strong reason (the only) reason Simon wasn't mislynched. You asked me a hypothetical if she wasn't in the game... But she is in the game and there's 6 other anti town players. I am not stubborn. I can wait for Eloh tomorrow morning to give me input. I don't feel like mislynchinh twice in a row kthx.

I already explained my Marmot vote. He was one of my scum spects. His self vote made me pause, I was told he does this a lot. It was no longer an obstacle.

I said I'm really good at this game, okay?

If you don't want another mislynch, why you voting for Marmot instead of Simon? Is it cause you're bad?

Actually, you said

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:00 pm Voting Simon. If Eloh shows up before deadline, great. If not, I'll vote as though Eloh wasn't playing.

What changed?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:08 pm The way I see it, I’m out of this game in a hour’s time when those bastards come for me again. I would at least like to take one of them out before I leave the game. I keep getting a bad vibe from JoH and it’s been getting worse as the game goes on. For now, that’s where I’ll place my vote. Am open to being convinced otherwise if someone would care to put a case.

Glor, my friend, you did not listen to me when I was cursed.

Please listen to me now.

Simon and Wilgy are bad.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:53 pm rabbit8

Tell me about your Speedchuck suspicion.
Meh, I think of the players with votes he the one on my list. I have him there mainly because I have others there who I think he may be connected to. It's weaksauce.

I feel limited, I don't want to read all the games you guys are bringing up as we progress. I'm trying to feel out some players as well.

Who do you think he might be connected to?

You guys, I'm like really good at mafia.

The worst thing Dunya has done is not push to lynch Sig.

It's saying "I think Marmot is doing a thing that townies do and also I am going to vote for Simon, who is bad......*votes Marmot*"

I wouldn't be heartbroken if Dunya was lynched today. I could see her as w/w with Simon or Wilgy. Since Wilgy and Simon are both bad, this makes w/w/w.

[mention]rabbit8[/mention]

Tell me about your Speedchuck suspicion.

[mention]nutella[/mention]

I just figured something out. Simon and Wilgy are bad. Vote for Simon. Kthx.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:27 pm i am like 99.7 percent sure lapluie doesn't have information on dunya
Yes, after Lapluie’s most recent posts, I think it’s pretty clear that is the case - she had an opportunity there if she had concrete info to reveal it. As a result, the case against Dunya (in my eyes at least) has collapsed.

So vote for Simon.

Wilgy votes Speedchuck without a word and leaves. Regardless of Speed's alignment, this is further reason to believe Wilgy is bad. This is a WIFOM only move that only serves to help the baddies.

[mention]dunya[/mention]

What happened to you voting for Simon if Eloh doesn't show up. Looks like you're voting for Marmot instead. Talk to me about that.

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