The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:21 pm Scumchuck in the building

I would probably vote Speedchuck today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:02 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:25 pmThen who is choosing the kills?
I don't get why that question is important. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s important because the answer is “based on the kills we’ve gotten, none of those players.”

If the mafia is me, Kness and an inactive until you replace in, either Kness or I am calling the kills.

Kness and I just got done being mafia together and did not kill active players.

Here http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthrea ... ost9075604

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:25 pmThen who is choosing the kills?
I don't get why that question is important. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s important because the answer is “based on the kills we’ve gotten, none of those players.”

If the mafia is me, Kness and an inactive until you replace in, either Kness or I am calling the kills.

Kness and I just got done being mafia together and did not kill active players.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:19 pm We could live in a reality where Dys, Jack and KNess are the threesome and DH is their designated patsy

Then who is choosing the kills?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:55 pm "I'm not egging people on to vote for DH lol"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:48 pm A couple more votes might make DH care.

What's the difference between egging people on and leading a lynch?

A couple more votes might make DH care.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:32 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:24 pmI don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.
Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.
Meaningless to me.
Convenient.
Why?

You don't have to address things you pretend are meaningless or meowing.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:32 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:24 pmI don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.
Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.
Meaningless to me.

Convenient.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:27 pm If this game ends with a loss because of inactives I'm going to fart on some people.

You can't lose to inactives but you can lose because of them.

Surely you're not flat out saying that you want to rant about inactive scum because your team has inactive scum on it, right?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:20 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:15 pm So who is unlikely to be teamed? We have 3 mafia left in the game. The likelihood of all being active are rather low imo, but I guess you never know.
That's the elephant in the room. What will we do about the inactives?

I don't think all three remaining scum are inactive, though, so we can put things off.

We put it off.

We've lost lots of games by lynching inactives for feeling we have to do something about them.

Epi has already said that if you don't participate, you lose. Nonparticipating scum aren't the problem. Knowing how many scum are participating is.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:11 pm Jack: "I mean, to the extent that if I was right, it makes DH town as much as it makes Kness scum, yeah. Regardless, it’s not teammate behavior as DH would have you believe. (I do think DH truly misread the interaction.)"

Not really. You said K-ness implied knowing DH was town and that DH was arguing against that. Which would make both scum, or so it would imply. It's more of a phhhft statement that doesn't go anywhere really. That's how I read it.

I was expressing confusion that DH was arguing against it.

If Kness knew DH was town, that would mean DH is town (or at least not mafia). If both were scum, Kness can't possibly slip and give away that he knows DH is town because he knows DH isn't town.

Dead serious scummiest thing Kness has done all game is exact scumcounts in his GTH.

Speed, you are still voting for me and I have my eye on you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:46 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:47 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:41 pm "Hey I have an idea. I know we lynched ACTUALLY MEGA MAN Day 1 and then there were THREE NIGHT KILLS before the next lynch... but you know what would be fun? Voting for a guy we don't want to lynch and then fucking right the hell off forever."
Tone read scum.
I'm confirmed civ how dare u
Three games in a row now, the player who tries to demotivate the town has been scum. Js.

Someone asked if this is true.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598619
Dunya and Malakim both spent more time complaining about activity and late game openings (

) than hunting.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship
Fable was caught partly because he was calling out the vig making bad hits to get a reaction.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... logy-Mafia
Batman was bad. Spent most of the game calling other players crap.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:57 pm update: it works if you spell it right

I knew that. I was just testing you.

When you try to prove you didn't kill your friends.

Common? COMMON? I am a unique butterfly!

Alternative reaction shot

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:25 pm [VOTE: JoH] aubergine

Why? Your commentary on DH’s case was like “This is good except for all the details, which really aren’t.”

Do you think I really shoot all those loud players, all the players like Mac, Quin and Sprityo who were on my side about things?

Do you think I beg the town to doctor Nutella and then shoot her anyway?

Do you think DH really fought against the Marmot lynch but jumped right into scumreading me and Kness based on one post each because he actually thought Marmot was town and actually thinks Kness and I are scum?

Regardless of DH’s alignment, your reaction to all this is not great.

Linki: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:31 pm fucked up that i can't just have anything i want the moment i want it :\

I'm interested in seeing jack's response to long con's big link case

Honestly, it’s a mess. Stuff like “baddie Jack wouldn’t not make this post” and LC admits it’s not that good.

If you think it’s (or better, specific parts of it) make or break, I’ll talk about it but I’d rather not go back and forth about all of it and get stuck talking about myself all day.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:43 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:25 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:41 pm Oh only four lynches. Oh ok.
If DH has any teammates in BTSC, they aren't helping him to catch up. The case against marmot, the use of their power to skip a day, etc. DH has been relying on us. Three possibilities.
1. He has no teammates.
2. He has no ACTIVE teammates.
3. They're being smart about trying to get us to believe 1 or 2. Which... meh.
I have no teammates.
Holy **** it's PROTO MAN
If DH is anything like me, he'd have taken this opportunity to role-hint. And that's what it looked like to me. Even townies have teammates yo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:46 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:25 pm Im to the point where "Do i want to lynch Kness because he's actively partaking in lynch voting. Or do i want to lynch nova because theyre inactive and I dont like them?'"
Sprit, I really want to hear your account for why you think Dharma is town, please?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:18 am So was that whole thing with jay and mac jay not realizing civs don't get told they're recruited meaning he's not a civ or...?
townslipped himself
This only means he's not scum.

(I'm home and catching up at the moment)
Slip from Alien. It's a "not-mafia" slip, and I feel like it's likely to come from 3P? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the slip.

On top of all that, DH was a priority replacement DESPITE the fact that we had a read on Alien. (White was replaced first, but the dude literally hadn't posted.) As a host, I would have replaced by order of inactivity. Soneji should have been replaced before Alien. Same for Wilgy, DF, etc. Why was Alien replaced before all these others?
You could point to that and say it's because DH is scum. But I think a team of one deserves a replacement before a team of five needs one.

Maybe I'm overstating my certainty, but 3P-DH seems like it fits the facts to me.

I can get why you think are argue for this but I strongly disagree that a 3P is a priority replacement, esp one that isn’t killing or recruiting.

More likely scum was close to out of active players. No active scum creates problems. No active 3P creates no problems.

Now, Epi can certainly have other criteria for replacement order or even roll a die. But the point is, this isn’t evidence for 3P.

DH has stated the no teammates thing is also not evidence. I actually think Alien calling out the maybe 3P thing is indicative of not being 3P as 3P would know there is only one other 3P player so any given other player is unlikely to be it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:31 am Let's kill Jack doo doo doo

If you would not SF this game, that would be great.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:38 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:52 pm Rip. Figured it was Sprityo or Kyle.
Self-centered questions: Why not me?
Also, a while back I asked you why you thought I would not make the particular night kills from what you know of me. Care to answer that?
Cause you haven’t been making as big of a contribution lately. I mean, being silenced will do that. As for the kills, I just think you’re motivated by things being interesting more than average. Mostly just townread you.
K-Ness wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:59 pmI wanted to make sure that I voted since I haven't really been participating that much. So I caught up on the thread but saw that Bullz was too high up for my vote to make a difference.
Still doesn't really answer why you voted someone who wasn't your preferred lynch, but ok.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:00 pm DharmaHelper - I firmly think is 3P. Fite me.
I mean, could definitely be the case. I also think DFaraday and Wilgy could fit this, since they both popped in after being gone for days, and then Epi is like "gurl, don't expect a win if you literally ignore the game and just do the bare minimum". Probably angleshooty, but I can't not take that in. DFaraday and/or Wilgy is probably not town. But if they aren't going to win anyway because they haven't really been playing the game, then I guess it doesn't matter. Maybe Nova could fit this as well actually.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:28 pmKness was trying to figure out why you didn’t want to vote Marmot.

Went something like

K: Why did you think Marmot was town?
DH: I didn’t.
K: But you must have since you didn’t want to vote for him.
DH: Something snarky that doesn’t answer the question.

I jumped on the first line thinking that if Kness thinks you actually thought Marmot was town, that means he knows you are town. If Kness knows you are town but is still questioning you, it can only be because Kness is mafia. That’s not me defending Kness. That’s me accusing Kness.

I later reread it and realized that taken in context, Kness wasn’t knowing you were town but rather phrasing the question from the perspective of you being town to evaluate your read as true or false. So I was like “never mind.”
I felt you calling out the Kness and Dharma interaction was more directed at Dharma than Kness tbh. I mean, to the extent that if I was right, it makes DH town as much as it makes Kness scum, yeah. Regardless, it’s not teammate behavior as DH would have you believe. (I do think DH truly misread the interaction.)

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:16 am [VOTE: Dharmahelper] aubergine
Why?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:57 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:55 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:50 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:45 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:40 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:41 pm LC, I agree with the angles you took in your Jack ISO.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:06 am Good leg work there LC.
wow, thanks guys. Usually my posts get no real reaction. Not sure how to take this. I guess if Jack is Civ then one of you are bad. This is fine.
What if Jack is bad?
Wow, hi nova! Where ya been? Are you here for good now? If Jack is bad, then that makes sense to me because I like DH's side in recent events, and my own ISO of Jack revealed plenty of possible baddie indicators.
Hi! Doing boring stuff but I'm back for good now

I skimmed through so not sure on which side I stand now, but my question was directed at your take on TH and DH's posts. Like you said, if Jack flips civ one of them is probably bad. But what about if Jack flips scum? What would you make of their reaction to your case?
I would feel good about them both if Jack flipped bad. I don't think my "case" on Jack (if you can call it that) was really strong, so a teammate of Jack's wouldn't feel compelled to weigh in in a bussing way. But it IS enough for a baddie to praise if it works toward the lynch of a Civ.

Couldn’t agree more.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:55 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:41 pm LC, I agree with the angles you took in your Jack ISO.
Also, this post opens up to a third "angleshooting" complaint from Jack, although I know it's not the same thing... I am just bringing it up because "bad" Jack complaining about angleshooting more than once is a type of angleshooting itself, plus it bolsters relatable content while actually adding nothing to the conversation, a solid piece of baddie legwork that could be done.

Excuse me for trying to play fair.

Speaking of fair play, I guess the whole “Jack wouldn’t kill all the active players” idea died with Quin.

I’d point you towards the still ongoing Draft 2 game on HCRealms where participation has been abysmal and my scum team shot inactive players early as evidence that I’m not calling the scum kills in this game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:40 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:41 pm LC, I agree with the angles you took in your Jack ISO.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:06 am Good leg work there LC.
wow, thanks guys. Usually my posts get no real reaction. Not sure how to take this. I guess if Jack is Civ then one of you are bad. This is fine.

Hint: It’s DH.

Night, DH. Sleep tight.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:41 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:33 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:25 pm Idk man

"Me and the guy I was accusing of scumslipping are voting for the guy I said I townread until he went after the guy I thought might have scum slipped" ain't a good look my guy.
Glosses over that I said the scumslip didn’t actually happen and that even when I’ve townread you, it’s been in spite of a bunch of scummy behavior that I’ve pointed out even while townreading you.

Reads can change with new information or with relooking at the same information in a different way. New information being that your vote on me and your attack on Kness were both super scummy.
You mean like you can townread me when its the popular thing to do but when I go after your teammate you can scumread me is that what you mean
Who has recently changed their stance on you besides me? Since you think my read is based on popular opinion.
I dunno but heres what I do know:

I voted to lynch Marmot and tried to save Bullz (although part of that was self preservation, I could have easily just voted Bullz and had the same result) so the smart thing to do based on my cred with people like Chuck and others who have townread me correctly alongside my current voting record would be to go "Ok for now I'll townread DH". And then when I brought up Knees you went "Fuck that actually DH is bad."

So based on the underlined, is it fair to say you’re just throwing nonsense into your case?

You voted to lynch Marmot after repeatedly mischaracterizing the case against Marmot as garbage. You voted me to “see where this goes,” not to save Bullzeye.

The fact that you expect town cred for that is laughable.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:38 pm Anyway Jack why are you defending and voting with a guy you GTH'ed as scum I don't get it

Just kidding of course I get it lol

Cause I don’t buy you fighting tooth and nail to make sure the Marmot lynch is a good one while you are okay voting for Kness for the smallest of things while Kness is largely scumread. I don’t think you think he’s bad. I think you think he’s lynchable. The difference between how you treat Marmot and Kness is telling.

Also, Kness is voting with me, not the other way around.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:33 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:25 pm Idk man

"Me and the guy I was accusing of scumslipping are voting for the guy I said I townread until he went after the guy I thought might have scum slipped" ain't a good look my guy.
Glosses over that I said the scumslip didn’t actually happen and that even when I’ve townread you, it’s been in spite of a bunch of scummy behavior that I’ve pointed out even while townreading you.

Reads can change with new information or with relooking at the same information in a different way. New information being that your vote on me and your attack on Kness were both super scummy.
You mean like you can townread me when its the popular thing to do but when I go after your teammate you can scumread me is that what you mean

Who has recently changed their stance on you besides me? Since you think my read is based on popular opinion.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:30 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:03 pm Me being town and me having reservations are two separate things my guy. Whats with the whole "Knees knows DH is town" scumslip boi
Oops here I am accusing Knees of a scumslip before you did oops

That post is in reference to one of my posts is it not?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:25 pm Idk man

"Me and the guy I was accusing of scumslipping are voting for the guy I said I townread until he went after the guy I thought might have scum slipped" ain't a good look my guy.

Glosses over that I said the scumslip didn’t actually happen and that even when I’ve townread you, it’s been in spite of a bunch of scummy behavior that I’ve pointed out even while townreading you.

Reads can change with new information or with relooking at the same information in a different way. New information being that your vote on me and your attack on Kness were both super scummy.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:20 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:51 pm And 1 wasn’t even a defense of Kness. It was an accusation.
Accusing who of what?
Kness of knowing you’re not mafia because Kness is mafia.
How.

Kness was trying to figure out why you didn’t want to vote Marmot.

Went something like

K: Why did you think Marmot was town?
DH: I didn’t.
K: But you must have since you didn’t want to vote for him.
DH: Something snarky that doesn’t answer the question.

I jumped on the first line thinking that if Kness thinks you actually thought Marmot was town, that means he knows you are town. If Kness knows you are town but is still questioning you, it can only be because Kness is mafia. That’s not me defending Kness. That’s me accusing Kness.

I later reread it and realized that taken in context, Kness wasn’t knowing you were town but rather phrasing the question from the perspective of you being town to evaluate your read as true or false. So I was like “never mind.”

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:51 pm And 1 wasn’t even a defense of Kness. It was an accusation.
Accusing who of what?

Kness of knowing you’re not mafia because Kness is mafia.

Reasoning for DH being 3P aside, I have no idea what PM’s win condition would be so I don’t know how to evaluate that reasoning or if he should or should not be lynched if he is PM.

That is, someone who knows the theme better should guess at PM’s win con.

Yeah, we talked about it and decided we’d vote for your right away and just kinda force this.

[VOTE: You're out of your element, Dharmy.] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:00 pm DharmaHelper - I firmly think is 3P. Fite me.
DFaraday - scumread
Dom - ??? town?
DrWilgy - ??? scum?
Dyslexicon - town
JackofHearts2005 - waffling
K-Ness - scum
Kylemii - town
Long Con - town
novaselinenever - scum
speedchuck - XOXO
Soneji - town
Turnip Head - town

I think there is at least one (mostly) inactive scum, if not two. This list: DF, Dom, Wilgy, Nova, Soneji.
That ain't good. My bets are on Nova and/or DF for reasons I might get into during the day.

I think DH is 3P for other reasons. Some of which I kinda remember. Will get into that today.

K-Ness felt terrible on the previous two pages. DH's case on JoH has merit, but it's hard to stand firmly on the two in between all the bullcrap.

linki: Hope your tomorrow is good @K-Ness

Why 3P?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:48 pm What haven't I addressed?
Still haven’t addressed the reasons I townread you have nothing to do with anything you’ve said or done, which is why the scumread isn’t inconsistent, which is your entire case.

You haven’t addressed that I have been ranting at you both before and after Dizzy expressed suspicion on you. (“That’s not the same” does not address my point.)

Throughout the whole game, you’ve handwaved suspicion like “meow” or “that’s like your opinion man” instead of addressing the things people have said about you.
First, I dunno what you want me to say. You townread me, but nothing to do with me. Is it because of Alien? or because of what people who have played with me have said about me? Either way "My townread of you has come from nothing you've done but rather what people have said about you and my scumread of you is from all the scummy shit you've done" Makes no sense. You either town read me (which you said you did) or you scum read me (which you also said you did).

Second, that's not my case.

Third, You can both be ranting at me and waiting for someone to egg on. Two different things.

You’ve never heard of reading someone based on when a dead scum player has said about them? Really? You never look for teammate behavior l?

Okay. What’s your case? That I pointed out you going after Kness looked scummy, ergo I’m scum with Kness?

I wasn’t waiting for shit. I’ve been upfront with my suspicion of you. I don’t need Dizzy for that. Dizzy is just right about a thing so I agreed. Why is that scummy?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:04 pm I dunno man you seem pretty bad.

This is the kinda shit I’m talking about.

“Eh. It’s easier if I just don’t address what you said.”

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:57 pm "DH is my top suspect"

"....who I won't be voting for"

".....because I townread him.."

"But actually it's a scumread lol jk"

“Meow. That’s just your opinion.”

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:50 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:45 pm I don't really care why Jack townread or scumread me it doesn't matter what matters is right here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 17#p486817

1. Odd defense of Knees because Knees "insinuates he knows DH is town"
2. "I'm gonna keep my town read on DH"
3. As soon as I look at Knees "I don't see the light of a townie in you at all"

Then

4. Mobbing onto Dyslexicon's and my argument to basically egg us on which is 100% what a civ would do.
That’s bullshit.

Your arguement is that my read is inconsistent but by choosing to ignore my reason for town and scumreading you, you choose to ignore why it isn’t inconsistent.

Your 4 is nonsense. I’ve voiced suspicion of you practically since you replaced in and you know it.
That's not the same thing.
Selective vague defenses.

Quit ignoring things that are inconvient.
Says the guy who skipped 1-3 on a 4 item list.

Item 1 was addressed in post 3124.

Item 2-3 has been addressed again and again but, as you said, you don’t actually care about the content of my reads (because that’s inconvenient).

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:48 pm What haven't I addressed?

Still haven’t addressed the reasons I townread you have nothing to do with anything you’ve said or done, which is why the scumread isn’t inconsistent, which is your entire case.

You haven’t addressed that I have been ranting at you both before and after Dizzy expressed suspicion on you. (“That’s not the same” does not address my point.)

Throughout the whole game, you’ve handwaved suspicion like “meow” or “that’s like your opinion man” instead of addressing the things people have said about you.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:50 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:45 pm I don't really care why Jack townread or scumread me it doesn't matter what matters is right here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 17#p486817

1. Odd defense of Knees because Knees "insinuates he knows DH is town"
2. "I'm gonna keep my town read on DH"
3. As soon as I look at Knees "I don't see the light of a townie in you at all"

Then

4. Mobbing onto Dyslexicon's and my argument to basically egg us on which is 100% what a civ would do.
That’s bullshit.

Your arguement is that my read is inconsistent but by choosing to ignore my reason for town and scumreading you, you choose to ignore why it isn’t inconsistent.

Your 4 is nonsense. I’ve voiced suspicion of you practically since you replaced in and you know it.
That's not the same thing.

Selective vague defenses.

Quit ignoring things that are inconvient.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:51 pm Jack didn’t vote at all last day?

Nah. I really phoned it in and kept putting off reading the whole case Speed made on Bullzeye.

Rip. Figured it was Sprityo or Kyle.

And 1 wasn’t even a defense of Kness. It was an accusation.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:45 pm I don't really care why Jack townread or scumread me it doesn't matter what matters is right here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 17#p486817

1. Odd defense of Knees because Knees "insinuates he knows DH is town"
2. "I'm gonna keep my town read on DH"
3. As soon as I look at Knees "I don't see the light of a townie in you at all"

Then

4. Mobbing onto Dyslexicon's and my argument to basically egg us on which is 100% what a civ would do.

That’s bullshit.

Your arguement is that my read is inconsistent but by choosing to ignore my reason for town and scumreading you, you choose to ignore why it isn’t inconsistent.

Your 4 is nonsense. I’ve voiced suspicion of you practically since you replaced in and you know it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:32 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:11 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:03 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:55 pm

Yeah, if you're town this isn't really going anywhere productive right meow. You do you, and I'll just decide where my vote goes when I can, I guess.

Right? Like it’s not actually making a point or helping solve. It’s just loud.
"Oh boy, people are suspicious of DH, I better jump on this mob so he'll leave me and my teammate K-Ness alone."
You can’t possibly actually believe this.
What.

It's literally...

Exactly.....

What you did....

You waited until someone (Dyslexicon) threw out a suspicion or disagreement with me and then you mobbed onto it with nothing to add other than you egging him and I on. That's what a baddie does when they want to discredit someone who has them dead to rights.
But I had been talking about how you were bad for hours before they showed up and I brought up several of those points days ago.

Also, you haven’t addressed the point that my townread on you was entirely based on what other players have said about you. My scumread on you is based on what you are doing and saying. Your case is “Jack is inconsistent in his read on me and maybe like he’s buddies with Kness.” I’m ignoring the second point but the first point is debunked and you’re just ignoring that.

I don’t think you think these things. They don’t logically follow. I think you’re lying.
I'm not lying though you literally did everything I'm saying you did its written down people can see it.

I can do this too.

“You are lying and I literally didn’t and it’s written down for everyone to see.”

Aren’t you supposed to pretend everything you’re not going to address because it’s inconvient is meowing?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:11 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:03 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:52 pmMeow.
Yeah, if you're town this isn't really going anywhere productive right meow. You do you, and I'll just decide where my vote goes when I can, I guess.

Right? Like it’s not actually making a point or helping solve. It’s just loud.
"Oh boy, people are suspicious of DH, I better jump on this mob so he'll leave me and my teammate K-Ness alone."
You can’t possibly actually believe this.
What.

It's literally...

Exactly.....

What you did....

You waited until someone (Dyslexicon) threw out a suspicion or disagreement with me and then you mobbed onto it with nothing to add other than you egging him and I on. That's what a baddie does when they want to discredit someone who has them dead to rights.

But I had been talking about how you were bad for hours before they showed up and I brought up several of those points days ago.

Also, you haven’t addressed the point that my townread on you was entirely based on what other players have said about you. My scumread on you is based on what you are doing and saying. Your case is “Jack is inconsistent in his read on me and maybe like he’s buddies with Kness.” I’m ignoring the second point but the first point is debunked and you’re just ignoring that.

I don’t think you think these things. They don’t logically follow. I think you’re lying.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:03 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:52 pmMeow.
Yeah, if you're town this isn't really going anywhere productive right meow. You do you, and I'll just decide where my vote goes when I can, I guess.

Right? Like it’s not actually making a point or helping solve. It’s just loud.
"Oh boy, people are suspicious of DH, I better jump on this mob so he'll leave me and my teammate K-Ness alone."

You can’t possibly actually believe this.

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