The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:23 pm Idk who I wanna yeet but if I did, it would probably be Tim.

Made
Scotty
Daisy
Marmot
Vul
Tony
Gavil
LC
Kyle
Radishes
Falcon
Nacho
Monkey
Tim

I hate this list.

list in a particular ordwer?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:42 pm @Jackofhearts2005
Let me ask you something.
If Tim does die and flip SK, your willing to die yes?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:07 pm A collection of negative posts from Tim directed at Jack that largely don’t look like town Tim trying to solve Jack’s slot.

Disclaimers:
*I’m using the word “negative” very broadly to encompass “Jack’s reads are bad,” “I suspect Jack is a wolf,” and jokey “fuck you” kinda posts.

*There are a few bits in here that look like read attempts but they are very basics and are not followed up on

*I’m not personally upset at any of this. I can take a friendly rib and I can take disagreement and I can take suspicion. It isn’t that I think Tim is being mean or unfair. I think Tim is (consciously or unconsciously) putting light pressure on me, calling my reads bad, telling me to shut up and catch up, etc more than he’s trying to figure out my alignment because he’s a wolf. He doesn’t need to figure out my alignment. He needs to avoid yeet.

Spoiler: show

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:21 pm Hot take. Tim wolf. Seanzie....town.

Hot take...Jack spewing random hot takes.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:17 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:16 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:14 pm so Tim was wrong about Nanook, Seanzie, and Syn

I've been told he loves murdering townies as a wolf

should we be concerned yet?

What if your mafia cop that checked Tim and got a 3P peak.
You should claim it!

Sure what the hell? I copped our dear Tim.
3P or wolf? Nuance don’t matter. Yeet him.

Flat lie.
Rescind or die.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:40 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:17 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:16 pm

What if your mafia cop that checked Tim and got a 3P peak.
You should claim it!

Sure what the hell? I copped our dear Tim.
3P or wolf? Nuance don’t matter. Yeet him.

Flat lie.
Rescind or die.

It ain’t lylo you don’t have a chance
Pretend to suspect me. Let’s see how you dance.

I suspect you are daft. Have fun with your reaction test. When you are ready to buckle down and read stuff let me know.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:36 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:32 pm I'm probably not voting Marmot over the guy who randomly brought up 3Ps and threw out half the player list in random bursts as suspects with 0 reasoning

If I thought "I am not gonna be back before EoD" right now I would probably leave my vote on Made or Gavail...but Syn's prodding of Marmot seems well reasoned and I'll give it some juice to see where it goes.

Jack doing zero to solve is starting to look suss. Just a note for future town.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:41 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:38 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:36 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:32 pm I'm probably not voting Marmot over the guy who randomly brought up 3Ps and threw out half the player list in random bursts as suspects with 0 reasoning

If I thought "I am not gonna be back before EoD" right now I would probably leave my vote on Made or Gavail...but Syn's prodding of Marmot seems well reasoned and I'll give it some juice to see where it goes.

Jack doing zero to solve is starting to look suss. Just a note for future town.

I understand he's stuck in poetry but I'm patiently waiting for Jack reads that aren't "Tim wolf"

Yeah. Not a priority right now but hopefully he gets over it and starts sooner or later.

His "Tim wolf" read is mostly based on the first time I played with him he introduced himself as "the unchoppable" and I promptly got him chopped, most likely.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon, Kyle, Kza and Mac are town, of that I’m pretty sure
Tim makes bad pushes, his try is weak, dishonest to the core
Marmot is low hanging fruit, Syn, he’s just that way.
Same likely goes Made and Gavil. Weird, not scum I say.

Then who is Jack?

You are pretty clearly world building around "Tim wolf so anyone he pushes is town." Notably, numerous people who are pretty clearly town disagree with the majority of your reads there so maybe the root of your world build is flawed?

Can you give us anything on anyone that doesn't start with "Tim's a wolf, therefore..."?

Okay thanks in advance.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 4:50 pm Clears I am buying outright: Anyone that wants to chop one of these is gonna have to go through me.

Syn: got what seems to be validly greenchecked
Kza: outed a greencheck that removes a possible mischop from the wolves availability while marking themselves as a must out by endgame

Me: I heard it, I heard it, I heard it on the X



Solid looking townies that would have to just grow fangs and tear someone's head off on live video for me to support going after them today

Scottie: super useful town making smart points and pushes, takes townish risks
Mac: no reason to suspect the gif posting is anything but real restriction, day one was towny, day two towny enough given restrictions
Falcon: Alison's day one read on vote moves said not wolf, and I agreed then and it is too early to sweat a reeval without good cause
LongCon: day one outing that he also has no info on shrines when I was being pressed for exactly that is town behavior, too soon to reeval

Slightly less solid but probably still not today

Kyle: back and forth with Daisy was probably TvT, push on Marmot had the kind of bad reasoning townies often bumble into
Daisy: same TvT back and forth, plus her concerns about my slot seem uninformed

Won't kill, but maybe only because we cant

TSP: to get a free day pass and just contribute absolutely nothing is annoying AF, but NAI for him...playing day one from 'probably not getting chopped day one so just do nothing' is also annoying AF, but NAI for him...he either gets mech cleared or he is gonna get killed, that's his thing, but not today

Might softly be town, but not enough to really fight about

Qwags: there should be wolf pile on happening here no matter what his alignment, but I am thinking the wolves are more likely to not pile on a town early and if they were bussing they would pile on early to get a good seat...maybe
Gavail: the whole "I just call everyone who votes me the wolf team" is an incredibly dumb read system and could be faked, and the claim is sketch AF...but if somehow the claim is true and he comes back with a good watch report that is a huge potential swing and just boneyarding this early seems bad
Jack: "pick a wolf, build a world on it" also seems like a dumb system, but it's a system...and it is the sort of system town Jack might put up as his public face to avoid too many town reads...good third party candidate but less likely wolfing

Would kill but perhaps feel bad if they are town

Lost Monkey: There have been moments where I nodded along with their thoughts. Not enough to really town read them, but there's that sense of "at this pace they will have town cleared by day fourish" and they haven't struck me as scummy at all
Quin: Felt pretty good day one but not good enough to accept the total fall off the planet play

Would kill just because in two days there has been no sign of a pulse anyway:

Bo: seriously cannot say one thing about him without doing an ISO
Nacho: my only memory here is that he claims he will catch up someday
Enrique: do better or die...I mean, I know that's harsh, but seriously

Have a seemingly valid case for killing them outright

Flanders: There is a flaw, in that I still think dirty wolf would maybe not be preferred style, but man the push on Qwags looks dirty wolf to me
Marmot: People I trust are pushing, for what seem like good reasons, and his defenses have been sketchy
Made: Gimmick bad, reaction to responses to gimmick bad, wagon position day one bad...just overall, bad

Good luck town...I have company but should be able to spring a half hour or so for EoD

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:34 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.

Have you caught up on the setup? Are you genuinely unconcerned by "holding additional artifacts will unlock additional secret powers for the wolves, above and beyond the basic powers of the artifact itself"?

Presumably the wolves know what those secret additional powers are, and yeah if I get a sense that someone has an unhealthy investment in fighting for those powers that indicates they know what they are fighting for I'm intending to kill them.

I’m not concerned to the point where we start voting off townreads over it.

If I was a wolf, I would loooove the idea of the town giving my team a free pass during the day and our choice of nightkill in exchange for fuck all. Wolves win by getting X misyeets. You’re proposing we give the wolves one on a silver platter because of mechanics that we don’t even know what they are.

That’s a bad strategy bordering on openwolfing. Every time I see several players make an argument to yeet someone even if they are town, at least half those players end up being wolves.

How about to prevent a double night kill? "Oh we gave them a free pass during the day and now they get a nightkill" is one side of it. The other side is "we followed an idiot, chopped a townie, and now the wolves got a DOUBLE night kill plus who knows what else..." If you can convince me we are not biting into the "we followed an idiot and chopped a townie" part, great, but at last report your "number one scum read," for reasons unstated but seeming at least to me to be completely fucking daft, is ME...so I'm not throwing in with you here Jack.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:03 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm I townread Mac and LC for the stupid reason they chaosed themselves and that’s what I expect town them to do. Idk what I expect from wolf them. Mac seems in his town meta anyhow. Less sure on LC.

ok this is a bad read

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:59 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm I townread Mac and LC for the stupid reason they chaosed themselves and that’s what I expect town them to do. Idk what I expect from wolf them. Mac seems in his town meta anyhow. Less sure on LC.

ok this is a bad read

More than just bad, tbh.

Look closer at Jack.

Yeh? What’s wolf Jack up to? Defending wolfbros who are under zero pressure? Trying to pocket effing Mac? Meeeeeeh.

Wolf Jack is subtly saying "look at me I am so towny," which especially for Jack is a not very towny thing to do.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:01 pm Like idgaf about making sure you town read me, Tim.

I’m not ignoring you saying things that don’t line up with reality just because it means you think I’m not a wolf. Who fucking cares? I think you’re a wolf atm and I’m not getting yeeted besides.

You are just offended, and should look at my motives because you honestly should not be offended...and by the way, neither of us is getting chopped any time soon.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:53 pm Show of hands. Who reads Daisy town and why?

Because the cases were moderately weak but (post restriction notwithstanding) I couldn’t get anyone except Syn to agree with me on or consider yeeting Daisy.

So people must townread her, right? Why?

I think her and Kyle yammering endlessly at each other D1 was TvT. I also think if she were a wolf she'd have given your daft tunnel on Tim play some support.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:04 pm Has anyone come up with a good reason not to follow through on chopping Flanders/Mogh?

Other than Jack wanting to punt him into the sun, is there anything good to be said for Marmot?

If both these answers are no why are there votes scattered randomly across the town?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:58 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:03 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine

That’s my first reaction to yesterday and the Mac flip as well.

Why's that Jack?

It's starting to look like you are in a tunnel of convenience buddy.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:11 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:58 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:03 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine

That’s my first reaction to yesterday and the Mac flip as well.

Why's that Jack?

It's starting to look like you are in a tunnel of convenience buddy.

Because you keep voting for townies.

It would look that way if you paid no attention at all or were a lying wolf, sure.

I’m not sure what to do with you consistently mischaracterizing my degree of suspicion/progression on you for basically the entire game.

Who have you voted for Jack? What's your claim to fame?

Pro tip: the only person "cleared by good vote" is whoever shot Mac last night. So make a case or get off my back. LOL

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:23 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:20 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:17 pm I am getting a huge deja vu thing here Mac...I thought Flanders was a hit and we were gonna kill him...and we didn't. Now I am looking at how all the action going to Gavial is coming from the Mogh wagon and not the Marmot wagon...

We might be making a bad play here and maybe we should have hard pushed Mogh...

Take this shit to its logical conclusion today.

I'm not gonna make your reads for you Jack, spit it or zip it.

My other obligation is running late.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:15 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:02 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:29 pm Okay, my ride's here...Long Con...be convincing please. Back later.

Lol

Why do I feel like this timing worked out such that Tim is under heat and he needs someone else to come distract?

Don't flatter either one of us. The wolf team isn't likely to sac someone to "save" me if I am a wolf. And you are barking up the wrong tree obviously enough that there would be no call for such a reaction anyway. Even with mad Jack for a wingman I don't think you can put me over.

Jack's Eyes Only

Spoiler: show

I wasn't gonna tell you this until post game, but now there's people wanting to vote me and such so I have to stop helping you. Jack, I understand your game. Play wolfy enough to not get NKed, get a wolf to suss you and try to chop you so you can turn it on them...the whole thing. I watched you play it, I've talked to you about it...I even learned it by trying it out, and appreciate you teaching it to me.

All I did about you this game is "play neutral." If a wolf thought "I can push Jack, and with Tim on my side I can yeet the unyeetable" and gone after you, great. We'd bag a wolf. They didn't, and I am a little concerned that they didn't, but my conclusion as to why they didn't is about 25% "oh shit maybe Jack's a wolf" tinfoil, and about 75% "well Jack's reads are just terribad so they are leaving him be." Either way, I have never had any inclination to make a priority out of sorting you out.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:18 pm Here I’ll give you the steps.
Step 1: Minimize Page
Step 2: Pull up Discord
Step 3: Go to the scum chat server
Step 4: Type to Daisy that you like being scum with them
Step 5: Close Discord
Step 6: Reopen Page
Step 7: Randomly Post a Post of just pinging the host.
Step 8: Gavial becomes super happy and you profit by me taking all the credit for your scum yeet.

@Jackofhearts2005
Your welcome!

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:46 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:37 pm Actually Jack is better then Daisy today because if people still aren’t convinced Tim can never be Mafia, Jack flipping Mafia should prove this for sure!

Tiny problem with this plan is I’m both town and unyeetable.

Your both town?
There is 2 of you?

Wanna claim scum with Daisy yet bud?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:37 pm Actually Jack is better then Daisy today because if people still aren’t convinced Tim can never be Mafia, Jack flipping Mafia should prove this for sure!

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:27 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:23 pm Idk who I wanna yeet but if I did, it would probably be Tim.

Made
Scotty
Daisy
Marmot
Vul
Tony
Gavil
LC
Kyle
Radishes
Falcon
Nacho
Monkey
Tim

I hate this list.

This is more or less how I'd list it if I had to. I'd reorder the top half dozen names around a bit, but the bottom half looks right.

Explain why TF Tony’s above me after the way the ONLY flip scum treated my slot.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm Who replaced Quin again?

Hi.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:56 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:59 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm I townread Mac and LC for the stupid reason they chaosed themselves and that’s what I expect town them to do. Idk what I expect from wolf them. Mac seems in his town meta anyhow. Less sure on LC.

ok this is a bad read

More than just bad, tbh.

Look closer at Jack.

What bothered me about that read is that it is the kind of high level LAMIST play I know you are capable of.

"Mac and LC chaosed themselves, and that's towny of them" leads to the unspoken "and Jack also chaosed so he's town too." Your post there wasn't just bad, it was sneaky, and that was the first time I really had "holy cow Jack might really be woofin' here" concerns. It was just about end of twilight, if I remember right, and I just wanted to make sure in case I somehow died that there was a "look at Jack" on the record in my ISO.

I literally call the read stupid. How is that LAMIST?

Because it "being stupid" wasn't enough to have you keep it out of the thread. That's the point. You put into people's heads "gosh maybe going chaos is towny...hmmm." In heads where that takes root you create a town read for yourself.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:37 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:35 pm And I am splendidly tilted when my top townread decides to follow Mac down a useless garden path because that usually means more will follow.

If Tim is town this is TMI.

If Tim is wolf this is shield.

This is always wolf.

Guess your vote's in the wrong place then!

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:59 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:58 am

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am I don't think your griping has had any effect on today. What will have an effect on today is finding a suspect and engaging them. Or talking about the big wagons for today - what do you think of my Marmot defense? Is Mog the wolf that we've been trying to find?

Who are you talking to in this post?

Me. Nacho is taking my mild doomsaying as confirmation I am mafia.

I don't think you are mafia. I think that your approach to today has been lazy. And continues to be lazy. Why would I, I slanker scum, care about pushing Mac, the god of town?

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:01 pm anyway I just woke up at 2am to take a mid morning poo im going back to sleep. I expect Nacho will have strung up a wolf with his incisive cutting game theory based skill upon my return.

I'll do my best!

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:44 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:47 pm Imagine Tim is town. Wolf team would have to be exactly like....Monkey, Nacho, Falcon, LC.

I think your a wolf because your vote is retarded.
Mac never does what they did to Tim if they are both wolf.
Read the previous posts from last day phase regarding Tim and Mac.
Tim can only be 3P or Town.
Mac may have gotten a 3P check on Tim.
Meaning his buddies maybe trying to still push and vote Tim and your current vote is on Tim which is very questionable.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:59 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm I townread Mac and LC for the stupid reason they chaosed themselves and that’s what I expect town them to do. Idk what I expect from wolf them. Mac seems in his town meta anyhow. Less sure on LC.

ok this is a bad read

More than just bad, tbh.

Look closer at Jack.

What bothered me about that read is that it is the kind of high level LAMIST play I know you are capable of.

"Mac and LC chaosed themselves, and that's towny of them" leads to the unspoken "and Jack also chaosed so he's town too." Your post there wasn't just bad, it was sneaky, and that was the first time I really had "holy cow Jack might really be woofin' here" concerns. It was just about end of twilight, if I remember right, and I just wanted to make sure in case I somehow died that there was a "look at Jack" on the record in my ISO.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:01 pm

I've been down that road with TSP before, and a whole lot of people told me "yeah not helping you press TSP because it won't work, but good luck." Many of those players are in this game, so I am not going to waste my time trying to mount pressure on TSP here, when TSP is literally doing what TSP always does.

Made has blown me off so far, but there is no predisposition in the player list to just let him get away with it, and he is not in his regular position so I expect a wagon on him as EoD approaches will get his attention.

Okay, fair. Thanks for clarifying.

I want to take this moment to point out that I am a jerk, but not a complete jerk. If you ask a specific question I will almost always answer to the best of my ability. "Questions" of the form "that doesn't make sense" aren't really questions, they are statements that mostly amount to "please repeat yourself" and I just...don't.

But I didn't just say "that doesn't make sense". I put in the effort to explain exactly what didn't make sense and why it doesn't make sense in hopes that you could clarify that. This is not the same as just saying "that doesn't make sense, explain again".

So I just read through your ISO as promised.

Part one was "I am a wolf hahaha." Included in it was someone calling you out and being sniped back with a totally false claim about your "read density." For the record at that point you had nine posts and basically none of them called for being taken seriously. There was one hilariously convoluted thing that ended in Nanook being a wolf that you took no action so your actual "read density" when you made that defensive claim was basically zero.

That part ended with the rainbow list, which you have done nothing with. You were asked one question, by me, and from that point on very close to every post you have made has fit firmly in the "wah wah Tim won't help me solve him, he must be a wolf" mold. You have done apparently nothing to solve any of the other 22 slots available.

And now out of the blue you have ISO'd Falcon and come away with reasons to vote him that you aren't sharing.

Can you give me any reason not to vote you when I am done pressing on Made, assuming he doesn't just out himself as a wolf?

This is the post where I started to scumread Tim.

It feels incredibly like a wolf accusing a townie and waiting to go “Well, he was super scummy and unreasonable. I tried to figure him out. Can’t blame me for his death.”

Care to read Seanzie's ISO at that point and tell me what I was supposed to see other than what I said that I saw?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:59 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm I townread Mac and LC for the stupid reason they chaosed themselves and that’s what I expect town them to do. Idk what I expect from wolf them. Mac seems in his town meta anyhow. Less sure on LC.

ok this is a bad read

More than just bad, tbh.

Look closer at Jack.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:20 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:09 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:51 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:42 pm

Primarily the difference is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted.

Since working with you is like pulling teeth, let me ask more specific questions since you don't want to help.

Is it specifically that pressuring TSP will just get blown off? If this is the case, how do you feel about the effect you've had on Made thus far? If that isn't the case, can you please at least try to play well with others and clarify on the difference?

I've been down that road with TSP before, and a whole lot of people told me "yeah not helping you press TSP because it won't work, but good luck." Many of those players are in this game, so I am not going to waste my time trying to mount pressure on TSP here, when TSP is literally doing what TSP always does.

Made has blown me off so far, but there is no predisposition in the player list to just let him get away with it, and he is not in his regular position so I expect a wagon on him as EoD approaches will get his attention.

Okay, fair. Thanks for clarifying.

I want to take this moment to point out that I am a jerk, but not a complete jerk. If you ask a specific question I will almost always answer to the best of my ability. "Questions" of the form "that doesn't make sense" aren't really questions, they are statements that mostly amount to "please repeat yourself" and I just...don't.

But I didn't just say "that doesn't make sense". I put in the effort to explain exactly what didn't make sense and why it doesn't make sense in hopes that you could clarify that. This is not the same as just saying "that doesn't make sense, explain again".

So I just read through your ISO as promised.

Part one was "I am a wolf hahaha." Included in it was someone calling you out and being sniped back with a totally false claim about your "read density." For the record at that point you had nine posts and basically none of them called for being taken seriously. There was one hilariously convoluted thing that ended in Nanook being a wolf that you took no action so your actual "read density" when you made that defensive claim was basically zero.

That part ended with the rainbow list, which you have done nothing with. You were asked one question, by me, and from that point on very close to every post you have made has fit firmly in the "wah wah Tim won't help me solve him, he must be a wolf" mold. You have done apparently nothing to solve any of the other 22 slots available.

And now out of the blue you have ISO'd Falcon and come away with reasons to vote him that you aren't sharing.

Can you give me any reason not to vote you when I am done pressing on Made, assuming he doesn't just out himself as a wolf?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:32 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:52 am That’s good “SK is Gav” equity right there

We need to quit talking about the SK...that apparently takes nights off. Gav calling me the 3P is mostly funny, but people who might be taken seriously, like you, need to consider that the wolves have two artifacts now. That means they have the vote power aspect, plus a bonus for having two. The Mace of Molag Ball is theoretically powerful enough to make a single player into a viable faction. Does this sound like something we really want the wolves to get hold of? Along with whatever added bonus yet another artifact gets them?

Stop talking about artifacts and third parties.

Do NOT press for claims on what shrine people went to. Notice that Mac had a "was there an artifact at shrine X? power. We do not know what night he used that power or what shrine he targeted. Molag Ball dude so NOT say anything about what shrines you have visited. If townies try to press it out of you...well, town will willage. Sorry.

This is the towniest post you’ve made in the past few days

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:58 pm Going down the WIFOM slide again weeeeeeee

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:17 am if we flipped the below names

Enrique
lost monkey
made
master radiation
nacho

I'm calling 2 wolves at min and nothing of value lost.

Where's the mass kill button?

This was day 3, if I recall after KZA green checked made.

What are the odds at least 1 or even, as Mac said, “2 wolves at min” exist in the others?

I’m looking at monkey, nacho and Vulgard rn. Vulgard I’m more bullish on atm, and Radiation has had a positive presence so ima look into nacho and monkey first

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 am Nachomamma's ISO I could best describe as inoffensive. There's nothing in it that definitively told me they have no TMI. But it is not a dumpster fire and I do not want to kill this yet.

Falcon's ISO is a step below that. He spent most of the game pushing LHF. The push on Marmot is especially notable because he's tunneled on it hard. If Marmot's mafia, then this looks better for him, but I currently don't think Marmot's a wolf.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:09 am I think Daisy's a wolf.

- Her ISO is a hedge maze.
- Her townreads contain at least two wolves. Scotty and Mac. Both have never been explained, she just plopped them in there.
- Her pushes have been wolfsided. Pushes on Gavial who I'm certain is town. OMGUS push on Jack who wrote a great case on her.
- Does not seem to care much about the d1 wagons or the d2 wagons, both of which were V/V from my perspective.
- Asks literal hundreds of questions, yet they don't inform her reads. I never saw her come back to any question she had asked prior. She asks them and moves on.
- Her actions such as the pinging of inactives and mechanical discussion look performative. Instead of wolfhunting, she tries to get people to do things; but not things that comprise wolfhunting.
- Her argument with Kyle is a major part of her d1 ISO. After it's over, though, she plops a townread on Kyle and never comes back to this. In her later readlists, Kyle actually trends down, but there's no visible reason for it.
- Her playstyle is extremely chaotic, but has no wolfhunting direction. She has stuck to three townreads her entire game. Her scumreads have fluctuated without a decent sense of progression. And her reasons for pushing some scumreads (which she does rarely; she has only done this twice in this entire game, as described below) are terrible.
- Her initial reason for pushing on Gavial is because he... easily claimed his role. And she doesn't even call him mafia, she says he's better off removed from the game because wolves can exploit his bad position, or he's mafia.
- Her reason for pushing on Jack is terrible. She pushes him because she thinks his case on her is a false narrative. Even when other people point out that it might not be, she ignores that. It's basically OMGUS.
- She writes a ton of LAMIST posts. Many include "I am very town"-type statements.
- Her posts look padded. She might just be a rambly person, but I've read all her long posts and they all say almost nothing of value. Makes me think they were written for towncred.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:00 am I'm voting Long Con and I encourage others to join me and I'm putting my faith in the strength of the Scotty town read. Scotty interactions with Mac make zero fucking sense coming from scum and the way his paranoia evolved and abated is something that I don't think scum is able to fake.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:00 am Jack, I hear you about the night actions dude. My own ability is so situational, plus, even if the situation comes up, it's only helpful a small percentage of the time. I'm basically vanilla.

Is it worth just massclaiming shit tier actions in the hopes that somebody is carrying “Radishes is a Skaven Secretary” and someone is carrying “The Skaven Secretary has the Orb of Prostate Health” and somebody else is carrying “Whoever holds the Orb of Prostate Health is a wolf” or is that just gonna cause us to put any actual useful power roles? Probably the later but I figured I’d ask.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:00 am Jack, I hear you about the night actions dude. My own ability is so situational, plus, even if the situation comes up, it's only helpful a small percentage of the time. I'm basically vanilla.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:54 pm Just to get this clear and out of the way...

At EoD 2 I was hard pushing Flanders for the way they had pushed Qwags. Scotty made a decisive move from Flanders to Qwags that killed Qwags. Other than deep WIFOM there is no reason for a wolf to make that kind of decisive move between two (now confirmed) townies. I might revisit Scotty at end game, but for now he is the central pillar of the town IMO.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 7:56 pm mac voting on the wrong wagon is also a bad sign

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 7:27 pm Also, I’m super frustrated with Mac and therefore Tim, who followed. If we had followed them yesterday and done the Flanders lynch, we would be in the same situation today wondering if we should kill Qwags.

Could be a town “risk-it-for-the-biscuit move” but I’m beginning to get concerned both Mac and Tim are bad. Which is a bad place to be, ladies and gents.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:57 pm I feel like I’m watching a Rangers / White Sox game.
Can’t wait to turn it off