The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:38 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:07 pm Re: Mizery shes a blur to me. Can't remember the last townie thing she did. Kinda like Porscha but Porscha grew on me I suppose. The table thing is neat but Ive done similar piles of gargantuan office work as scum.

Would kill.

But Arcbell is the one who is currently weirding me out with all the random priorities.
Could you vote Mizery? Please and thank you.
for someone who has no strong reads this is pretty adamant

No strong WOLF reads. I strongly think that DDL, Dizzy and Arc are town, who were the other players with votes at the time.

I mean…Persona 3 is pretty good. You can date a robot.

Lag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:42 pm Jack, what were you busy with on day 1 if you don't mind me asking?

Pretty sure I was playing Persona 3 but I might have been watching the New Japan Cup. I can check discord to validate if it’s super important for some reason.

DDL is my strongest townread besides Mac and Dizzy.

DDL is Mac’s strongest townread.

Mac and I know DDL best and at least Max is confirmed town(ish).

I know “but your scumread is invalid because meta” is not something anybody wants to hear but it’s true. We should yeet elsewhere.

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:40 pm lol jack for a null in your reads you sure do want people to vote me huh

Cause I townread most everyone else, including the player DDL is voting for instead of you.

Just because I don’t know your alignment doesn’t mean I shouldn’t try to get the yeet to be in my personal poe.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:20 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:11 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:09 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:07 pm Re: Mizery shes a blur to me. Can't remember the last townie thing she did. Kinda like Porscha but Porscha grew on me I suppose. The table thing is neat but Ive done similar piles of gargantuan office work as scum.

Would kill.

But Arcbell is the one who is currently weirding me out with all the random priorities.
What do you think my priority should be?
Anyone not called Mac.
but he's fun to poke

okay sir, what is your read of dizzy?
I have a really hard time thinking he fakes that fight with Mac.

Not impossible but like, really hard.

And Ive seen scum Dizzy he feels kinda of different. More detatched. This Dizzy cares. Maybe too much.

This is a good read.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:07 pm Re: Mizery shes a blur to me. Can't remember the last townie thing she did. Kinda like Porscha but Porscha grew on me I suppose. The table thing is neat but Ive done similar piles of gargantuan office work as scum.

Would kill.

But Arcbell is the one who is currently weirding me out with all the random priorities.

Could you vote Mizery? Please and thank you.

Lag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:32 pm Like w!Jack just kills Mac every single time and I think so does w!Dizzy.

W!DDL probably doesn't care where he shoots and I guess if the obvious town bucket is Mac/DDL and there's a wolf in there, they would kill outside of that group but I still strongly think Mac and DDL are just town.
Hm

I’m super smart, right?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:22 pm I don't care what you folks do or not do with your lives but WHY IS EVERYBODY GIVING ME SHIT FOR HAVING A NORMAL DAY JOB

I CANT BE HERE ALL THE TIME

Godanmit

www.reddit.com/r/antiwork

Townreads voting townreads is frustrating. Not having strong wolfreads is frustrating.

This game is frustrating.

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:12 pm moved from Jack to Dizzy btw

Fucking…ruining my fire.

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:01 pm anyone saying " NAA kill happens from X" it's like please explain why

like

i never

ever

kill

naa there

like legit
never

kill him there

the only person i can imagine killing him there is dizzy for the reason that naa ketp voting dizzy without saying anything every day and that's a liability in a lylo where you need to be able to convince people

ok

jack

porscha killed naa?

explain like i explained why dizza makes sense to me

Reversecard.jpg

Mac had strung up both wolves. He’s wolfed with me a fuckton. He’s caught me when I was a wolf a few times. He’s the only other player with strong DDL meta and is hard defending him and in w!Jack world, basically prevents me from pushing DDL.

w!Jack always always always shoots Mac over NAA.

There’s like a tinfoil reason for DDL to shoot NAA but it’s not a particularly good one and I’m not that interested in pursuing the idea.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:02 pm Jack doesnt know me + NAA and I had little to no interaction. I dont think Jack has a serious reason to believe i would kill NAA he just doesnt know any anyone else would either

That’s not wrong but it isn’t exact.

I thought the POE was very small going into the night NAA died and NAA was in it. So my conclusion is that the kill likely comes from someone not up to date/invested in the game. Yesterday, the players that fit that bill were you and Screen imo. (Though I guess Mizery should have been included in that group.)

But yeah, I don’t know your meta well and I don’t think you have a meta reason or reads based reason to shoot Axe. Honestly, I had disregarded Axe’s reads because his scumread on me didn’t seem well thought out so even if he did scumread you, it wouldn’t move the needle much.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:51 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:48 pm Nah I'm LHF right now and I think the 2 ppl willing to take advantage of it by only citing my idiocy yesterday and ignoring everything else I have said or done, contains the wolf. Misery or jack
Lucky you. If you’re town, you get to figure it out.
And since you arent you dont need to participate?

(Might be a duplicate post because I just lost Wi-Fi)
I do but if you’re town, I want you to get it right and if you’re a wolf, the more you do, the easier it is to catch you. So either way, I need to encourage you to do exactly that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:56 pm Right now I would say that the least townie person today has been lag. That is to say that he has made the most wtf looking posts imo.

But I feel like there’s a townie spark and not a wolfy one there. Idk. I’m open to a case but my heart says Lag is just town.

Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:36 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:32 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:10 pm omg mizery I didn't even see that you actually posted the tables!! you're my hero. I'm still probably going to kill you, but you're my hero.
What has Mizery done that's scummy?
What has Mizery done that's towny?
Wack.
I think this is something like my 8th game with Mizery in the span of like 6 months. I've reader her correctly eventually in every single one of those games. If she's town this game this would be the first time I'd be wrong on her.

And now you can ignore that previous sentence because appeals like that are dumb and should be ignored.

The kicker for me is that as town I see a lot more depth of thought out of Mizery's reads, she just hasn't really shown that this game, she's just kind of ...existed? Like even in that draft spec whatever game that we were in together, Mizery was actually doing stuff, pushing hard for stuff, she's just kind of not done any of that in this game.

Sexy.

I was probably gonna do this anyway because Miz is least townie player (maybe second given I think Porche kills NAA more often but is townier in general) and because of the wagon formation but it makes me feel better. [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

Also, if you are town, Porche, iso me. I think my alignment is clear when people put more though into it than “maybe it’s Jack.”

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:48 pm Nah I'm LHF right now and I think the 2 ppl willing to take advantage of it by only citing my idiocy yesterday and ignoring everything else I have said or done, contains the wolf. Misery or jack

Lucky you. If you’re town, you get to figure it out.

Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:35 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:27 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:04 pm I'm between dragon and arc so arc being between me and dragon doesn't look so terrible to me except that everyone else considers dragon to be cleared (i still don't know why. I read things. I don't think he's cleared.)
Read Falcon's ISO.
He votes Falcon first early, then moves his vote off of him, and then only votes him again when he's at L-2

Why is that initial vote not distancing + a TMI vote to look good later in VCA?
Why is their conversation not wolf theater?
DDL votes Falcon early and then again to doom him. Falcon speaks to DDL in a way thats clearly attempting to persuade him to townread him.

You're setting a needlessly high bar for DDL to clear. Even if DDL is mafia and you're right trying to push DDL here because his play MIGHT be mafia isn't the correct way to do it.

Show me something he did that is likely mafia. Or rarely townie.
Falcon was pretty much already doomed by the time DDL voted him. I think he was vote #5 or 6 when the next biggest wagon was like 1 or 2 votes.

DDL hasn't really done much of anything past day 1. So if he bussed day 1, didn't know who his other teammate was, and then flew under the radar until now. I think the crime of not being townie enough is legitimate.

DDL was the first player to voice suspicion of Falcon and the point about how Falcon talked to DDL stands

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:46 pm Yeah I bet it is jack lol

Can’t yeet me because I also derpclearedyself by not knowing the wolves weren’t together D2.

Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:32 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:10 pm omg mizery I didn't even see that you actually posted the tables!! you're my hero. I'm still probably going to kill you, but you're my hero.
What has Mizery done that's scummy?
What has Mizery done that's towny?

I also think the Porche deep clear isn’t clearing. The mechanics had been discussed a fuckton in thread. No reasonable townie or wolf should have thought there was a regular wolfteam. It’s NAI.

Sleep votes are for babies

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:19 pm I want to take mizery, porscha and luffy off the table today. Sorry if wrong.

Why take the first two off? Cause that’s like my poe…

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:19 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:08 pm Anyway bring me all of your cases and conjecture and let's figure out who the rapscallion is.

I feel like it'd Arcbell but ya know I'm not gonna tunnel cuz the last mafia seems to want me to die over actual town. Such is the mighty threat that I am.
Why Arcbell

I have felt weird about him all game. And I really hate this "lets help the 3P" crap do I might vote there.
Screen flipping town makes me probably just correct about how I read Arc day 1. My reads accuracy in this game has been very high so I've probably sussed the wolf somewhere. Which makes the POE Dizzy/Jack/Arc. Arc is being more appeasy.

I think there are still 0 wolves in that bucket.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:46 pm The next game I host will have a "anyone who uses the term game throwing will be modkilled on the spot". Such an angle-shooty, disgusting phrase.

Plus, the venn diagram of actual game throwing and people accused of game throwing looks like

O O

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:41 pm I'd rather we just vote whoever is the likeliest mafia.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:07 pm As Arcbell mentioned earlier in the game, town aligned 3p claim also has enough wolf equity that you shouldn't just blindly believe it

I mean....if Mac is the wolf, we loses the second we misyeet the actual 3P or the second the real 3P gets the coin and CCs.

Like...you don't win by making this play if you're w!Mac. Ergo, Mac is telling the truth without even reading any of his protown play all game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:04 pm [VOTE: Screen] aubergine

Good vote, Einstein. Where'd you learn how to play mafia, the sandpit?

I'd roleplay a response but I don't know who I am.

[VOTE: Screen] aubergine

There's not really a good way to test out that coin vote mechanic.

Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:56 pm Even if we correctly determined who the mafia was right now and then did our absolute best to give Mac as many days as possible to find the coin, I don't think we can even give him a 50% chance to win. He's got a 1/7 chance of getting the coin tonight if we misyeet. That's not a very big chance.
It could randomize to him too

Can't. But yeah, my math is off because of start or end coin location maths.

Even if we correctly determined who the mafia was right now and then did our absolute best to give Mac as many days as possible to find the coin, I don't think we can even give him a 50% chance to win. He's got a 1/7 chance of getting the coin tonight if we misyeet. That's not a very big chance.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:51 pm Can you tell us who like...doesn't have the coin? As of given nights? I know it's not super helpful but idk.
Well the problem is the coin randomises every night.

But the real problem is I forgot to search on n1 and n3 lol.

And on n2 I searched Axe.

Oh yeah, I just read that. That's a hard wincon tbh.

Can you tell us who like...doesn't have the coin? As of given nights? I know it's not super helpful but idk.

The Lucky Coin will be randomly assigned to a non 3p player on n0. Each night that a 3p does not possess the coin, it will be randomly assigned to a player (it can be possessed by the same player on consecutive nights). The player possessing the Coin will not be informed (unless they are 3p, of course). The Coin will remove one vote from the person possessing it at EOD--this will not be reflected in the votecount, and will not effect the number of votes it takes to hammer the person possessing it. There are mechanisms in place to determine how the coin moves if the person holding it dies via TK or NK, these are not disclosed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:06 pm Here's the thing. I don't have the coin yet so you're not allowed to win yet lol.

Looooool.

No, I legit believe you.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:18 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:15 pm [VOTE: srceenplay] aubergine simplicity is beauty
Because of today's posts? Sitting and thinking about that right now.

The NAA kill really stands out.
So I would guess either someone who hasn't read the whole game or hasn't been paying attention (Srceen? maybe DDL - don't know how much he's read, but he seems busy?)
Someone who likes wifom for shits and giggles even though it's probably not smart (Can't really think of anyone, but Jack? but that's a stretch)
Or just Mac. But I don't think so.
Yeah, tbh.

Like w!Jack just kills Mac every single time and I think so does w!Dizzy.

W!DDL probably doesn't care where he shoots and I guess if the obvious town bucket is Mac/DDL and there's a wolf in there, they would kill outside of that group but I still strongly think Mac and DDL are just town.

Between Arc, Lag, Porsche, Miz, Screen.....Screen has admitted to potentially making that kill.

I honestly don't think w!Lag does. Sure, he's not as aware of Mac's playstyle as Dizzy and myself but I think he knows that he gets yeeted over Mac almost every time so it's not worth WIFOM framing Mac.

Arc, I don't know super well but this
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:06 pm Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.

If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.
means he probably wouldn't hesitate to blast Mac if given the option and Arc has been active enough to know what's going on.

Feel like that kill comes from Screen more than anybody. Gotta look back and HK and Falcon's treatment of Screen. Cause I remember at the time, there was what I thought was a poorly thought out case where 2 players voted Screen early (Arc and ???) and then Falcon jumped on it in a way that looked opportunistic and I had Screen as not likely w/w with Falcon because of it. Single datapoint, though.
Other than Mizery, Mac is the single player in this list I've played the most games with. I kill Mac night 1 after that day 1 every time. Especially since it means I would have gotten to credibly dodge having to interact with him.

I believe you patpat.jpg

Mizery wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:36 pm Mizery, this should be your avatar.

why

Because that's "The Miz" and he's being exaggeratedly sad.

Lag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:29 pm Screen wolf unironically explains the LC kill too

Heh. There is that, I guess.

LC was pretty townread though.

Mizery, this should be your avatar.

w!Miz probably doesn't kill NAA either fwiw.

Well...what do I know from votes?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:18 pm
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:15 pm [VOTE: srceenplay] aubergine simplicity is beauty
Because of today's posts? Sitting and thinking about that right now.

The NAA kill really stands out.
So I would guess either someone who hasn't read the whole game or hasn't been paying attention (Srceen? maybe DDL - don't know how much he's read, but he seems busy?)
Someone who likes wifom for shits and giggles even though it's probably not smart (Can't really think of anyone, but Jack? but that's a stretch)
Or just Mac. But I don't think so.

Yeah, tbh.

Like w!Jack just kills Mac every single time and I think so does w!Dizzy.

W!DDL probably doesn't care where he shoots and I guess if the obvious town bucket is Mac/DDL and there's a wolf in there, they would kill outside of that group but I still strongly think Mac and DDL are just town.

Between Arc, Lag, Porsche, Miz, Screen.....Screen has admitted to potentially making that kill.

I honestly don't think w!Lag does. Sure, he's not as aware of Mac's playstyle as Dizzy and myself but I think he knows that he gets yeeted over Mac almost every time so it's not worth WIFOM framing Mac.

Arc, I don't know super well but this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:06 pm Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.

If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.

means he probably wouldn't hesitate to blast Mac if given the option and Arc has been active enough to know what's going on.

Feel like that kill comes from Screen more than anybody. Gotta look back and HK and Falcon's treatment of Screen. Cause I remember at the time, there was what I thought was a poorly thought out case where 2 players voted Screen early (Arc and ???) and then Falcon jumped on it in a way that looked opportunistic and I had Screen as not likely w/w with Falcon because of it. Single datapoint, though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:15 pm Who all was voting NAA? @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You haven't done the vote count yet. <3
I think nobody at EOD. The wagon got up to 3 and I'm pretty sure my late vote moved him from 1 to 0.
Ah. Ok. But you, Arc and DDL before that, correct?

That sounds right.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:59 pm
Spoiler: show
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:51 pm here's where I'm currently at for townies:

dizzy
lc
mizery
seanzie

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:40 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:36 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:33 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:29 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:27 pm Someone talk to me, I hate backreading
Why does Mizery feel like mafia to you?
The read is probably not accurate because Mizery was in the same game as me and I'm pretty sure we were both prioritizing that game at least 10x more since it was an invitational with a stacked playerlist. But when Mizery's ISO is devoid of any real content she's just >>rand wolf. Her ISO is devoid of content.

Although I have a very good record of reading Mizery, so I'm confident I'll be able to read her today if we get the chance to interact.
why do you feel like her ISO is devoid of content?
It's almost exclusively fluff posts + lists of names with no explanations.
Town Illwei has significantly more depth of thought than that. Wolf Illwei is prone to doing just that.
god dammit lag stop doing things
I think my only experience with illwei wolf was in the hydra game we were wolves together and yeah that tracks pretty accurately.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:23 pm
Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:02 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:43 pm god dammit lag stop doing things

Also what do you mean by this?
because I was quite content to town read mizery and then you had to go and blow it all up.

Here's some of HK's progression on Mizery. He town reads her pretty fast in the beginning.
However, when Lag questions her on D2, he looks quite content to build up under that suspicion. He says that Lag's account for Mizery's wolf play tracks accurately with this game. And the sentence "because I was quite content to town read mizery and then you had to go and blow it all up." just doesn't read like something you would say if you had tmi that she was mafia.

The whole thing just reads like a TMI read of Mizery as town based on little, but being happy when she is suspected.

I disagree.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:15 pm Who all was voting NAA? @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME You haven't done the vote count yet. <3

I think nobody at EOD. The wagon got up to 3 and I'm pretty sure my late vote moved him from 1 to 0.

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