The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:52 pmMeow.

Yeah, if you're town this isn't really going anywhere productive right meow. You do you, and I'll just decide where my vote goes when I can, I guess.

Right? Like it’s not actually making a point or helping solve. It’s just loud.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:44 pm I think Kyle or Jack is Gemini Man

They seem the most likely people.

This is in conjunction with my "gemini man is a one shot power that marmot stole" theory

As with the idea that I killed Colin, I have nothing to say about this.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:42 pm So nobody wants to talk about how Dyslexicon's reasons for suspecting me are either patently ridiculous or made up or both?

Meow.

Nope cause that’s bull. Moo.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:25 pm Im to the point where "Do i want to lynch Kness because he's actively partaking in lynch voting. Or do i want to lynch nova because theyre inactive and I dont like them?'"

Sprit, I really want to hear your account for why you think Dharma is town, please?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:18 am So was that whole thing with jay and mac jay not realizing civs don't get told they're recruited meaning he's not a civ or...?

townslipped himself

Was IA the first person to say this?

Thought it was Mac or someone else I strongly townread anyway.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:21 pm Kyle and Sprityo, who are you interested in lynching tomorrow?

btw what about you? who are you looking at coming into day 7

Still DH, Speed and maybe Long Con.

I’m kinda mad at myself for allowing Bullzeye to be the only reasonable lynch train.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
DFaraday was definitely around on Sunday, but still hasn't bothered to engage with the thread until today. Could be legit busy, or mafia taking a back-seat role to avoid suspicion.
Dom has done very little other than vote for Eloh. Not a good look.
Dr. Wilgy checked in on day 0, but then forgot the game started until today. Nothing really to go on unless it's a brilliant mafia strategy of "just step away and pretend the game doesn't exist"
Soneji checked in on day 0 and hasn't been back. So I've got nothing.
Alien was actually quite active on day 1, but hasn't been back since. On day 1, Alien left his vote on Mac, even though he previously read "Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh" I don't like his back-tracking here.
Marmot called me out for calling him an inactive. He actually has been fairly active, but he still hasn't said all that much.. Maybe it's just his playstyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marmot turned out to be scum.

Not done, but posting this for now. I'll finish up later this evening.

Luna has waffly suspicions on Bullz, Alien and Marmot. I can't find where Luna votes Bullz, but she asks me for reasons when I do it, and says she "almost started feeling bad for suspecting him for a lame reason" (or something very similar). What do you all make of this?

I think it makes Alien/DH look good.

How?

It didn’t feel very waffley. It’s all actually matter of fact (active here, inactive here) until it goes negative (not liking the backtracking).

I mean, I don’t recall Luna ever pushing for an Alien lynch so maybe distancing but not waffley.

And why you don’t want to lynch DH, LC or Speedchuck.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:21 pm Kyle and Sprityo, who are you interested in lynching tomorrow?

Kness/Nova

Walk me through it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:43 pm hmmmmm..... if that's the case then it's more likely that they just used gemini man cus they had a horse in the race with marmot right?

GM doesn’t vote Simon over Marmot if they are town unless they are LC because LC was the only player who expressed that a Simon lynch was better than a Marmot lynch. Full stop.

LC has said lots of things that imply he is not GM.

Ergo there is almost surely no town GM.

(Of course, LC could be mafia GM or town someone else. He’s just not town GM.)

I still think the GM vote on Marmot was WIFOM. Though the power steal is an interesting theory.

Kyle and Sprityo, who are you interested in lynching tomorrow?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:53 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:00 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:13 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:08 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:01 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:52 pm Dharma, why would you suspect Marmot was town? What led you to think that he was after the previous phase?

*also noticed the subtitle is that this is still Day 5, which threw me for a moment*

Did I say Marmot was town?

No, but you had to have had some doubt in your mind that he was mafia, right?

Why must I have?

What is this even?

Kness’s post insinuates he knows DH is town and like...DH argues against that?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:21 pm Ugh. Glad Bullzeye got his read list out.

Gonna stick to my townread on DH for now but him going after me today is pretty ugly.

Wilgy showing up and voting based on voting record (which doesn’t even make sense as I have a good voting record) is #disgusting and potentially scummy. But it’s inactive Wilgy so brain of salt.

Speedchuck will merit a stronger look tomorrow.

Might give LC a pass or at least look for what Bullzeye saw on him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:42 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:30 pm "Gah I really didn't want to lynch the civ swearsies lol I wanted to lynch the other civ."

To be real clear, deciding I don’t want to lynch you is no way means I think we should follow your suspicions. You’ve basically placed stupid votes on townies and questioned cases on scum while criticizing everyone else in exaggerated ways.

Like you came in to a town that had lynched 1 scum and 2 townies and had a great lead on a second goon which is NOT a bad place to be. You continually characterized mislynching Eloh (which happens in every other game) as lynching Mega Man. To what end? You haven’t done any actual work. You’ve called perfectly fair suspicion of you meowing. Then you jump on a town leader’s lynch wagon at the 11th hour like “we’ll see how this goes.”

And now you’re criticizing Kness for not voting his biggest scumread? Reads like trying to setup a mislynch, like snatching a piece of low hanging fruit as you walk by. Why did the Marmot lynch need to be questioned so much and called garbage while you are perfectly willing to jump in my train for giggles and you’re now gonna try to hammer Kness on wording?

I don’t see the light of a townie in you at all and I can easily see the darkness of a potential goon. While I’m giving everyone and their dog a free pass for meta or because lynching inactives is dumb, why on earth I should give you the benefit of the doubt I do not know.

Jack and Knees are mafia teammates. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk

Nice try but my townread on you has always been based on what Luna and my other suspects have said about you. It’s been in spite of your behavior.

I don’t remember pointing to a single thing that YOU did that makes me think you are town.

So townies, stop being so suspicious. Goodnight.

PS I'm trapped in a recurring nightmare where I'm town and there are 3-4 mafia and I am doing a fabulous job of lynching one scum and then finding and lynching all the most suspicious townies.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:06 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:46 am do you think it would be useful to cross reference it with other lynches gemini man was/wasn't involved in?

Actually, yeah.

Eh. Maybe.

Like, if I was GM, I'd either vote with GM near EOD and pretend I wasn't around some of the time. Or I'd vote early with GM. Assuming it's a day power, it should be pretty easy to avoid looking like GM just based on timing.

But if Epi doesn't allow players to use day powers for their scumpartners (and this is where I was going with this earlier), then we can at least rule out some of the players who have missed entire day phases.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:46 am do you think it would be useful to cross reference it with other lynches gemini man was/wasn't involved in?

Actually, yeah.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:26 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:24 am gemino man didn't vote in this one, was anyone jailed?

Nice catch. hmmm.... makes you wonder who else missed the vote hmm

Oh yes, yesterday I made a point that the GM vote almost surely meant both Marmot and GM were scum while other people (notably DH and LC) were saying that Marmot and/or GM could be town.

Yet you think I'm scum GM. Come the fuck on.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:01 am Yeah, I think it's shady af. He avoided the climax and didn't have to react while he had serious heat and votes were in flux.

Didn't have to react? You mean the reaction I'm having now, just a bit after the lynch instead of before it and without the benefit of actually getting to use my vote for self pres?

Only one of the players voting for me even said why they did in a way that makes sense and it's honestly just meta that Bullzeye isn't aware of.

I always spout off about how I'm unlynchable. I honestly think he misread the post because I was frustrated that I had pursued suspects based on a misunderstanding of the rules, which doesn't match up with the problem Bullzeye had with the post.

Besides, I'm clearly quoting stuff from pages back at the time I noticed the day was over.

Head out of rear and back to looking at actual suspects, please.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:48 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:48 pm I would love some other players to examine the care DH took with making sure Marmot was a good lynch vs the care he took in deciding if Jack or Kness should be a good lynch and tell me if that pings them just as much as it does me.

I wasn't in danger of being lynched in the Marmot lynch.

So as long as votes are on you, you don't have to worry about who you are voting for?

How is that a town perspective?

Bullshit thing to say anyhow. DH was the last vote. I had 2, he had 2 and Bullzeye had 5. He was not in danger of being lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:48 pm I would love some other players to examine the care DH took with making sure Marmot was a good lynch vs the care he took in deciding if Jack or Kness should be a good lynch and tell me if that pings them just as much as it does me.

I wasn't in danger of being lynched in the Marmot lynch.

So as long as votes are on you, you don't have to worry about who you are voting for?

How is that a town perspective?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:08 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:21 pm Ugh. Glad Bullzeye got his read list out.

Gonna stick to my townread on DH for now but him going after me today is pretty ugly.

Wilgy showing up and voting based on voting record (which doesn’t even make sense as I have a good voting record) is #disgusting and potentially scummy. But it’s inactive Wilgy so brain of salt.

Speedchuck will merit a stronger look tomorrow.

Might give LC a pass or at least look for what Bullzeye saw on him.

I was reading your votes and noticed that were oddly remote. It stuck with me more than others.

Et toi?

What does that mean exactly, "oddly remote?"

I would love some other players to examine the care DH took with making sure Marmot was a good lynch vs the care he took in deciding if Jack or Kness should be a good lynch and tell me if that pings them just as much as it does me.

Lone off wagon votes at the very EOD don’t do anything. There’s nothing scummy about Kness not voting for you.

Yeah, and Marmot votes for Luna after trying not to. You voting for Marmot after trying not to is basically what we lynched Marmot for.

I mean, I do know.

It’s cause there’s a hint of antialignment with Luna and a fair amount of antialignment with my other suspects.

Came in like “Speed or DH should be lynched” and instead Bullseye was and here we are right back where I started the day.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:30 pm "Gah I really didn't want to lynch the civ swearsies lol I wanted to lynch the other civ."

To be real clear, deciding I don’t want to lynch you is no way means I think we should follow your suspicions. You’ve basically placed stupid votes on townies and questioned cases on scum while criticizing everyone else in exaggerated ways.

Like you came in to a town that had lynched 1 scum and 2 townies and had a great lead on a second goon which is NOT a bad place to be. You continually characterized mislynching Eloh (which happens in every other game) as lynching Mega Man. To what end? You haven’t done any actual work. You’ve called perfectly fair suspicion of you meowing. Then you jump on a town leader’s lynch wagon at the 11th hour like “we’ll see how this goes.”

And now you’re criticizing Kness for not voting his biggest scumread? Reads like trying to setup a mislynch, like snatching a piece of low hanging fruit as you walk by. Why did the Marmot lynch need to be questioned so much and called garbage while you are perfectly willing to jump in my train for giggles and you’re now gonna try to hammer Kness on wording?

I don’t see the light of a townie in you at all and I can easily see the darkness of a potential goon. While I’m giving everyone and their dog a free pass for meta or because lynching inactives is dumb, why on earth I should give you the benefit of the doubt I do not know.

Does Epi let you submit teammate actions? He does, right? What about day actions?

Thinking there might be some players we can rule out as GM. Not so with the imprisoner, probably?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:23 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:21 pm Ugh. Glad Bullzeye got his read list out.

Gonna stick to my townread on DH for now but him going after me today is pretty ugly.

Wilgy showing up and voting based on voting record (which doesn’t even make sense as I have a good voting record) is #disgusting and potentially scummy. But it’s inactive Wilgy so brain of salt.

Speedchuck will merit a stronger look tomorrow.

Might give LC a pass or at least look for what Bullzeye saw on him.

I have now much larger fish to fry.

Oh?

Ugh. Glad Bullzeye got his read list out.

Gonna stick to my townread on DH for now but him going after me today is pretty ugly.

Wilgy showing up and voting based on voting record (which doesn’t even make sense as I have a good voting record) is #disgusting and potentially scummy. But it’s inactive Wilgy so brain of salt.

Speedchuck will merit a stronger look tomorrow.

Might give LC a pass or at least look for what Bullzeye saw on him.

Thought voting ended at 10.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:32 pm I would also be down with a jack vote

How bout this time, we stay on the same side all game and realize we’re both town?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:50 pm Vote patterns making me think JoH is had. Someone tell me why not.

Cause I lead the “kill Marmot” charge two days in a row and snagged us a baddie.

Marmot should have been dead the first time but 2 last second votes (one Marmot, one his scumbuddy’s hidden vote) saved him so it’s not logical to assume a bus.

If you’re town, the last thing you should do is spend time worried about me (or Dizz or Sprityo). Maybe worry about Sprityo at lylo if there’s one scum left. Possibly not even then.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.
DFaraday was definitely around on Sunday, but still hasn't bothered to engage with the thread until today. Could be legit busy, or mafia taking a back-seat role to avoid suspicion.
Dom has done very little other than vote for Eloh. Not a good look.
Dr. Wilgy checked in on day 0, but then forgot the game started until today. Nothing really to go on unless it's a brilliant mafia strategy of "just step away and pretend the game doesn't exist"
Soneji checked in on day 0 and hasn't been back. So I've got nothing.
Alien was actually quite active on day 1, but hasn't been back since. On day 1, Alien left his vote on Mac, even though he previously read "Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh" I don't like his back-tracking here.
Marmot called me out for calling him an inactive. He actually has been fairly active, but he still hasn't said all that much.. Maybe it's just his playstyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marmot turned out to be scum.

Not done, but posting this for now. I'll finish up later this evening.

Luna has waffly suspicions on Bullz, Alien and Marmot. I can't find where Luna votes Bullz, but she asks me for reasons when I do it, and says she "almost started feeling bad for suspecting him for a lame reason" (or something very similar). What do you all make of this?

I think it makes Alien/DH look good.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:29 pm Full disclosure: I put in for a replacement a few days ago, because I'm not up to doing Mafia at all right now. In the meantime, I'll just vote Dom because it seems like he's being pretty quiet too.

Yuck.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:34 am As far as I’m concerned, Sprityo is rangeclear. Deal with it.

That helps. And was what I wanted to investigate. But I haven't had time to open any of the games.
But that is some coincident, forgetting to tag me when I was imprisoned.

Your name is hard to spell.

Scum Sprityo does not take the lead D2. Scum Sprityo does not tilt at town Sloonei and come out looking fine after Sloonei does a good job of getting us a mafia lynch AND says Sprityo is bad.

Sprityo has leveled up lately, yeah, but this is still outside scum Sprityo range imo.

As far as I’m concerned, Sprityo is rangeclear. Deal with it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:54 am I don't expect to be able to do a lot of Mafia today... going in 40 minutes to see Venom, then working until after the lynch. Sorry, Jack. Why don't you trust me? Everyone trusts me.

I have no idea why everyone trusts you.

I already said I don’t like you voting normal Simon (ie null and barely talking) over super scummy Marmot.

Brb. Catching pokémon.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:44 pm My vote today will be between Long Con and Speedchuck.

I take it you think the Simon vote couldn't be coincidental? (aside from Marmot and Gemini man?)

Yeah, I basically don’t.

Your case on Bullzeye is pretty tempting though.

Im not really interested in lynching DH even though he defended Marmot, is super negative and isn’t really solving. He’s in lhf mode and I don’t trust LC enough to go that route. Plus his buddies would have to be...inactive? And maybe Bullzeye.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

My dude, I need reads from you, not just you jumping on the most suspicious guy that I don’t want to lynch.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:06 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:02 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:58 pm Also my vote hasn't been on you for like the last 2 hours

You farted in my elevator you don't get points for getting off and leaving your stink behind.

Hey buddy you farted in MY elevator, that's why I ewww'd you. Anyways you deserved my vote for your constant negativity

I'm the least negative person here.

I laughed.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:30 pm I'm very interested to hear more about how I'm suddenly such a baddie.

I’m interested in you being interested in other things.

My vote today will be between Long Con and Speedchuck.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:38 am To weigh in... Elohcin, the most important person in Epi's life, was Mega Man. I don't know to what extent Epignosis randomizes roles, but Dr Wilgy being Dr Wily is perfect enough to tweak into existence.

I think this says more about Epi’s marriage than it does about Wilgy’s alignment.

Reread it in context. It’s not a slip. Still don’t think w/w DH and Kness have this conversation.

See? We can’t lynch DH anyway.

Why are you sighing?

I’ve basically talked myself out of voting for you. Help me find the baddies.

Quin’s last day can be summarized like “maybe we should lynch Speedchuck next.”

DH is my top suspect in a vacuum but he might be twtbaw. He’s also likely unaligned with LC, Kness and Speedchuck. I can see him coming into an empty wolfchat and deciding it would be up to him to deflect from Marmot and be like ‘here are 3 options. 2.5 of them point to town Marmot’ and ‘the case against Marmot is garbage.’ But if there’s another active mafia player (3 total mafia likely remaining), they’re gonna tell him Marmot is toast and he’s not gonna fight it so hard. That’s aside from reasons I have to think DH isn’t aligned with the other suspects.

Speed and LC didn’t fight each other like I told them to. Speed fought DH and LC didn’t fight anyone.

Then Kness maybe just flat out scumslips.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:11 pm "Knees implies he knows DH is town"

Jack how do you know I'm town.

I don’t.

“some doubt in your mind that he was mafia, right?”

The mafia doesn’t have doubt that Marmot is mafia. If you actually had doubts, that would make you town.

So is Kness slipping?