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It's both.Golden wrote:I agree.Epignosis wrote:When I left from work today, Quin had two votes. When I got home, showered, and ate, he had eight.
Not much I can say or do at that point.
Is it really my fault? Or is the fact that Jack bet so many votes that after only two on Quin, they had to panic bus someone they are claiming to be town and an ally?
You know how many votes I have already?Golden wrote:It was possible. It was a massive overreaction. But I do kind of get it from their perspective.sig wrote:Why not then direct the lynch to another player to begin with instead of Quin? I'm sure it was possible instead of just jumping on board the wagon.
Stupid phone. EBWOP.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:sig wrote:Why not then direct the lynch to another player to begin with instead of Quin? I'm sure it was possible instead of just jumping on board the wagon.
How will his lynch get me to stop giving you and LC grief do you think?
linki: Jack just made it seem like he had the bowl. And you're most likely right, but I dislike this whole situation.
linki 2: Could be.
Maybe go back and read what I said at the start of the phase. Maybe go see what LC said too.
Golden began with Quin cause Quin went all Quinny. Then Daisy jumped on cause she either wanted an easy lynch or couldn't be bothered to scum hunt cause real life. At that point, it was too late.
At this point, I'm kinda worried it won't. You're tunneling on a tinfoil and preemptively said you won't trust Quin's flip. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
sig wrote:Why not then direct the lynch to another player to begin with instead of Quin? I'm sure it was possible instead of just jumping on board the wagon.
How will his lynch get me to stop giving you and LC grief do you think?
linki: Jack just made it seem like he had the bowl. And you're most likely right, but I dislike this whole situation.
linki 2: Could be.
Golden wrote:Pretty sure LC is the one with the bowl, not jack, sig. You could probably make the move with Dom if he were keen.
But I think the wise thing to do is to stick with Quin.
Cause the bowl will kill me instead if Quin doesn't get enough votes.sig wrote:I'm not asking for a roleclaim/infodumping just some logic.
If you don't think Quin is mafia why are you voting for him?
If Quin isn't mafia who do you think is?
How will lynching Quin help reveal the mafia?
Since I literally see no reason to lynch Quin if you think he is a civ or not mafia. Unless you don't think he is a civ/Indy.
Please explain this.sig wrote:Frankly I'll lay it all out, I can see one role you could be with any amount of info, you saying Quin isn't scum proves that role isn't yours. It also doesn't explain your and LC lockclearing junk. I'm tempted to vote for you or Lc since I'd bet one of you have the bowl. You'd have to bet at least say 5 or 6 votes so it would be quite easy to tie it.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Why do I think Quin isn't scum? How could I possibly know Olaf doesn't have the bowl?sig wrote:Are you going to answer any of my questions or nah?
Those questions?
Gee, idk. Gut?
Also Olaf not having the bowl has very little to do with anything, you voting for someone who you don't think is scum and pushing their wagon is an issue. If you thought MP was mafia why not vote for him?
If we assume Ishmael has BTSC (which we can't) then if we assume he recruited say Olivia Caliban, who is quin and got a check on MP, which turned up red, would be the only reason for this. Even then it is very an indirect and stupid way to do it. Not to mention it wouldn't find Olaf.
In theory Quin could be a converted Klaus, but the same logic applies why waste a phase lynching him, when you could have pursued and probably lynched MP?
There is no way in almost any world that LC and Jack are civs, they might not be mafia sure, but at this point non civs are just as dangerous espacilly if they're acting like this.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Gut? Seriously? That's why you think Quin isn't bad, but voted for him anyway, and believed his baseless declarations?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Why do I think Quin isn't scum? How could I possibly know Olaf doesn't have the bowl?sig wrote:Are you going to answer any of my questions or nah?
Those questions?
Gee, idk. Gut?
I apologize to all of you for getting upset, but this is just unacceptable for this late in the game regardless of how lucky town has been at Night.
Why do I think Quin isn't scum? How could I possibly know Olaf doesn't have the bowl?sig wrote:Are you going to answer any of my questions or nah?
"We" don't know that?sig wrote:So since someone has tons of votes you're just going to sheep and join the wagon? and whatever do you mean by a townie dies from grabbing the bowl? We have NO CLUE if a townie has the bowl or if the mafia has the bowl. Or who has the bowl at all.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player already has (per Golden) tons of votes on them.sig wrote:DFaraday wrote:The Troupe now kill every night. I feel this is balanced given other factors in the game.sig wrote:@DF QUESTION! Is the Guardian's kill given to anyone?
linki: Wanna explain? Without Esme there is no reason for such a big wagon.
Better a big train and Quin dies and people stop messing with him than a moderate train on Quin and townie dies from grabbing the bowl....and then you lynch Quin anyway.
One method kills a non baddie. The other kills two.
You're tinfoiling so hard it hurts. Missing the forest for the trees.sig wrote:At this point I wouldn't even trust any role that Quin flips as. So we basically wasted a phase.
What then.
One player already has (per Golden) tons of votes on them.sig wrote:DFaraday wrote:The Troupe now kill every night. I feel this is balanced given other factors in the game.sig wrote:@DF QUESTION! Is the Guardian's kill given to anyone?
linki: Wanna explain? Without Esme there is no reason for such a big wagon.
Fuck yeah Bayleaf. Favorite awkward teenage evolution.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ok why did I spend the last 1:30 catching up on a mafia game?
Let's go eat.
And then play pokemon.
Golden wrote:You're acting like you're all martyrs togetherJackofhearts2005 wrote:I'm not the martyr. Quin is the martyr, if he gets enough votes.Golden wrote:I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.
I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?
I'm not the martyr. Quin is the martyr, if he gets enough votes.Golden wrote:I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.
I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?
You know what would help with that?Golden wrote:But yes, I fully understand what you mean by "I am groot", ok? And I do trust it... just not fully fully. I'm a paranoid guy.
Bro....Golden wrote:That's how it appeared to me. No real effort seemed to be engaged in explaining why quin wasn't bad until after I voted him.
LC didn't vote for Spirit.Golden wrote:LC claims he won a prize on day two. He claims it was a lynch save.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:If I'm Troupe, LC dies instead of Spirit2 on Day 1.Golden wrote:No I don't.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.Golden wrote:Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.
The mod told you the GGs are dead.
Please explain how I can be mafia.
Who is to say it wasn't actually an extra vote or two to stick on sprit to get you cleared?
Wait wait. Suddenly?Golden wrote:Good to know you are outright telling me that 'one of you must be lying'.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Why does MP get the benefit of the doubt but I don't? Only one of us can be lying to you.
But it doesn't explain why you trust Quin.
I've played what feels like 100 games with MP. He isn't getting 'the benefit of the doubt'. I don't think he is bad. He's fooled me before, though. But not often. I don't know you at all. I do know LC, and what I know is LC would absolutely revel in a plot that would lock clear you.
Having said that - right now I wouldn't say I trust either of you, exactly. I'm keeping my mind open to the idea that either of you are bad.
But you and LC coming out and suddenly defending Quin post-fact of my vote is unhelpful. I'd been angling toward him as a key suspect all day. Why did neither of you ever make a proper case about why Quin looks good and not on sprit's team if you wanted to defend him so much?
EBWOPJackofhearts2005 wrote:If I'm Troupe, LC dies instead of Spirit2 on Day 2.Golden wrote:No I don't.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.Golden wrote:Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.
The mod told you the GGs are dead.
Please explain how I can be mafia.
If I'm Troupe, LC dies instead of Spirit2 on Day 1.Golden wrote:No I don't.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.Golden wrote:Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.
Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.Golden wrote:Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.
Cause there's no way to get enough votes on you by my estimation.MovingPictures07 wrote:Because she's right.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I wish Daisy had felt the need to tell us why she's so sure MP is on the up and up.
One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy. Very few MP posts (especially if Daisy skipped some during catch-up). Several dead info gatherers.
I don't believe Daisy. There's little reason to.
And if you don't believe her why didn't you vote for me?
Golden wrote:Dammit, I'm beginning to think one person in particular has me fooled.LC, you're Olaf aren't you?
You can survive a lynch? Why? Hmm....
I bid a ton for that bowl, but I didn't get it. Why? Someone with a lynch save bid more.
Then the sprit lynch. No effort to save at all. We know for a fact there were no teamies on his chain. And why not? Could it be that sprit was less valuable than losing a lynch save?
I'm willing to bet today ends with a no lynch no matter what, because I'm pretty sure that LC has bid a lot of votes for that bowl.
I'm officially afraid of you now. I'm looking through all these interactions and no answer makes sense. That means someone is pulling the wool over my eyes. It isn't Jack or DDL, they are lock cleared. I'm certain it isn't sig, he's nailing baddies to the wall. MP is, as far as I'm concerned, clearly an indy. Sorsha and Daisy have less to clear them, but their games look so town.
That leaves you, epi, Quin and Dom.
I realised that INH can't be troupe either (he is lock cleared like Jack and DDL), so out of deadies I've narrowed it down to soneji, nacho, soup, lorab. Nacho and soup seem most unlikely to me. LoRab and soneji could be, although I'm not sure that LoRab actually is. Soneji seems like a strong candidate to be Troupe to me.
And if so, soneji bussed sprit despite LC being on the table...
This is all locking together in my mind. I cleared LC for his theory that Dom was on the Troupe, but this theory is almost cartoonesque by now. Despite the fact DF keeps saying there are no balance issues, LC keeps pressing Dom's substitution, something that (by the way) Eloh also did and something that I can only see bad reasons for doing. It's massively dangerous drawing assumptions from host actions, as I've said over and over. People try to draw conclusions from my actions as host all the time and I choose my actions very carefully (as a host) so as to dupe or wifom players who try it. It simply isn't worth it. But LC just won't drop it.
There are any number of reasons why balance is not an issue with Dom subbing in. He missed his PMs (LC says this does effect balance? How?). Or, he only LDed people who have already been lynched and had their roles revealed. It could be anything. It is not 'so obvious' that Dom subbed back in as bad, to me. Dom's behaviour looks pretty good since he subbed back in.
LC has also had a new level of confidence since.... oh, I dunno... about the time the bowl thing was announced? He seems to have gone into overdrive.
Troupe - possible team
sprit
soneji
LC
Quin
I think that's what we are looking at. It's my 'theory of the game', if you will. LC being Olaf.
Whoever won the bowl must have put a lot of votes in. There's no way Olaf risks it.MovingPictures07 wrote:Wait, what? Why are you voting Quin after all?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I am Groot.Golden wrote:That's my problem tooMovingPictures07 wrote:I don't think they are hinting at that, but I don't know what else they could be hinting at.Golden wrote:It's almost as though Jack, LC and Quin are hinting at being the Ishmael cult, but then wtf would Quin be saying he had a damning case on sig being Ishmael? That would make no sense, since sig actively wrote a massive case on LC. So, this explanation doesn't check out.
I'm trying to think of a single good town explanation for why LC, Jack and Quin would all be protecting each other with little more than 'trust me, you're wrong' to go on with.
I am Groot.
Vote Quin?
NOOOOOO!
Voting Quin with the worst of tastes in my mouth.
I am Groot.Golden wrote:That's my problem tooMovingPictures07 wrote:I don't think they are hinting at that, but I don't know what else they could be hinting at.Golden wrote:It's almost as though Jack, LC and Quin are hinting at being the Ishmael cult, but then wtf would Quin be saying he had a damning case on sig being Ishmael? That would make no sense, since sig actively wrote a massive case on LC. So, this explanation doesn't check out.
I'm trying to think of a single good town explanation for why LC, Jack and Quin would all be protecting each other with little more than 'trust me, you're wrong' to go on with.
Elaborate.Epignosis wrote:The zebra kill puzzles me a good deal.
This post will become really funny at midnight.MovingPictures07 wrote:You're going to have egg on your face.Long Con wrote:Goddammit Golden!Golden wrote:Voted Quin. Hopefully it's a better bet than MP.
Why, Quin? Why couldn't you just drop it? Fucking pointless argument... about sig?! Sig is not on the plate today!
Le sigh.Golden wrote:Voted Quin. Hopefully it's a better bet than MP.
It does, yes.Golden wrote:Now this is interesting and I don't know why it didn't occur to me before. It means that Jack is advising against it now when he didn't necessarily think so before. It rules out some explanations for why he may not want to lynch Long Con now.Epignosis wrote:Jack, a cleared person, advises against lynching Long Con. I don't understand this, but it holds weight since Jack voted LC Day 2. If Jack is bad with LC, and Day 2 has something weird happen, then we file that under "Oh well." I would rather Jack give reasons why Long Con isn't bad.
I think it will give you insight into who we should lynch today.Golden wrote:I thought I could have avoided that due to you being lock cleared lol!Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Golden
ISO me, bro.
Quick question - do you think isoing you will give me specific insight into this LC discussion?
Whaddo I look like?MovingPictures07 wrote:Why Quin higher than the rest?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:EBWOPJackofhearts2005 wrote:Rainbow
JoH
DDL
Golden
LC
Sig
Quin
Epi
Daisy
Dom
MP
Sorsha
I'm pretty damn willing to lynch the bottom two.
EBWOPJackofhearts2005 wrote:Rainbow
JoH
DDL
Golden
LC
Sig
Quin
Epi
Daisy
Dom
MP
Sorsha
Well I guess this makes the discussion of who was GG with Eloh somewhat moot. Might have affected those shots, I suppose.DFaraday wrote:The Ghastly Guardians have been eliminated.
