The Syndicate

I honestly think the line between “claiming” and “legal breadcrumbs” is reeeeeal blurry. I probably stepped right over it in ASOUE and when I copped a wolf with 3 posts in...MK?, I wasn’t able to put forth a believable case on him.

Day anticlaim and/or all claiming allowed with hidden setup and safeclaims really eliminates that blur and I prefer it, especially when I actually rand cop or whatever.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:53 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:12 am 112 town because guest 1

Dom scum because regular 1

Epignosis scum because regular 2

Evenstar town because guest 2

iaafr town because guest 3

Jackofhearts2005 scum because regular 3

Lady LambdaDelta town because guest 4

MacDougall scum because regular 4

Master Radishes town because guest 5

Michelle town because guest 6

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME town because guest 7

novaselinenever scum because regular 5

Pawn Lelouch town because guest 8

Quin scum because regular 6

Rej / ColinIsCool scum because regular 7

sprityo scum because regular 8

thats uhhhhhh 8-8?

4-4-8?
This will be the last time I acknowledge this theory as it is utterly ridiculous and doing nothing more than making a Us van Them mentality that we don’t need. Rather why don’t you go through individually and tell me why each person is scum and then I might consider it. Not a big fan of baseless accusations, in fact it’s a pet peeve of mine

Is this a bad time to point out all my scumreads are on guests?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:22 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:16 am @michelle are you 3p
nah.

This is exactly what a 3p would say.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:10 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:51 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:16 pm @Michelle

612 and 615 should give you an idea of why I suspect Radishes.
This is not a real reason, this is "look at these posts I think they're bad." Point at actual specific things you thought were "dishonest."

612 is a Radish posts where he quotes a post of mine where I point out a specific thing that I think it dishonest it also provides context for MY post, 615, where I point out a specific thing that I think is dishonest.

Michelle: Tyt answering my question.
Jack: I already did right here.
i don't consider that an answer. You are avoiding my question. I don't really want to read Radishes with my question for you. I want to read you and see how you formed your oppinion. Because it's your alignament i need to solve while talking to you.
The fact you are so unaware about my reasons and you're beating around the bush is not good.

I’m sorry you don’t really want to read the posts where I answered your questions directly.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:48 am does anybody wanna have a galaxy brain read contest?

What if your life is basically The Truman Show and we are all scum along with your “family,” “friends,” and everyone you’ve ever met.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:12 am 112 town because guest 1

Dom scum because regular 1

Epignosis scum because regular 2

Evenstar town because guest 2

iaafr town because guest 3

Jackofhearts2005 scum because regular 3

Lady LambdaDelta town because guest 4

MacDougall scum because regular 4

Master Radishes town because guest 5

Michelle town because guest 6

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME town because guest 7

novaselinenever scum because regular 5

Pawn Lelouch town because guest 8

Quin scum because regular 6

Rej / ColinIsCool scum because regular 7

sprityo scum because regular 8

thats uhhhhhh 8-8?

4-4-8?

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

So are ya’ll gonna just call the game now or what?

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:09 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:07 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:04 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:02 am im actually going to just confidently assume im completely correct on the entire game until a flip proves me wrong
Tbf my hard bottom two are syndicate members so I have no issue with lynching in that area till we get proven wrong.
current bottom 3? because my memorys bad today
Nova + Dom bottom 2. Third is a 3 way tie between Rej replacement, LLD, and Sprit.

I think you forgot DF.

Why are these players scummy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:03 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:47 pm investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!
Syndicate regulars are very good about using their investigative roles to get mafia lynched even with no claiming. It's ingrained in our systems.

Lol except for me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:00 am they lacked the qualities of a townsperson boom gotem #cased

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:31 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:23 pm IIoA = information instead of analysis, in reference to the belief that scum players tend to rehash the obvious and simply describe situations without having inserting significant amounts of independent thought more than town players, who naturally tend to have such independent thought, and don't need to force content by rehashing the obvious
Well then I don't see how she arrived at that at all.

Cause you made her skim your posts.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:13 pm ...

Apperantly they are claiming they tried to deliver at 7:30 but didn't have access. Access to what you incompetent fucks? You were instructed to put it in the mailbox and if that didn't fit then on the doorstep.

I can feel my blood pressure rising already. This is gonna be a pain to fight properly since I needed this tonight to finish some of my homework that is due tomorrow.

And I still need to GM the next session of the FE3H game for my friends. They're holding literally everything up and has made my week a hell of bureaucracy.

You made a FE3H game without me?

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:18 pm 112 picking up legit steam here

what if there are wolves only in one dream :o

Can’t be. If scumteam is Leo’s crew, they need somebody alive to kick them awake. So really, town should win by eliminating the wolves at the top level.

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:15 pm ok jack let's just town-read each other, how about it?

Spoiler: show

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:05 pm
112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:02 pm i'm not going to talk about players who aren't in this dream, but nova's pretty clearly scum and imo your scum pool resembles right but is probably quite wrong.

like, i think everything you seem to be having below null is <rand. maybe i'm making too many level 5 reads that i'm wifoming myself out, but it really looks like you're trying to push bad lynches to me and are picking the best players you can to fit that strategy.

maybe it's not the null so much i disagree with as much as believing most of the wolf team is above your scum-lean point while few of it seem below it based on what you've pushed in the thread.

you seem very over-interested in clearing yourself rather than particularly solving anyone, and i don't think you've responded to pushes in the way a civ would in this way
I’m trying to solve you and you won’t answer a simple question.

Why do you think my null list has scum in it?
because i think nova's scum and you had nova in the null section.

Why is Nova scum?

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:02 pm i'm not going to talk about players who aren't in this dream, but nova's pretty clearly scum and imo your scum pool resembles right but is probably quite wrong.

like, i think everything you seem to be having below null is <rand. maybe i'm making too many level 5 reads that i'm wifoming myself out, but it really looks like you're trying to push bad lynches to me and are picking the best players you can to fit that strategy.

maybe it's not the null so much i disagree with as much as believing most of the wolf team is above your scum-lean point while few of it seem below it based on what you've pushed in the thread.

you seem very over-interested in clearing yourself rather than particularly solving anyone, and i don't think you've responded to pushes in the way a civ would in this way

I’m trying to solve you and you won’t answer a simple question.

Why do you think my null list has scum in it?

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:44 pm 112, are you gonna tell me why my null reads are scum or what?
are you gonna needlessly shade me until you give yourself away like i hope you're doing?

Getting pretty sick of you and Radishes both responding to legitimate questions with “bah shade” “bah smears.”

You called me scum.

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:46 pm jack posted a scum's list, not sure why nobody's calling him on it

And me asking you to back up your read is not “shade.”

112, are you gonna tell me why my null reads are scum or what?

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:11 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:47 pm investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!
I have original thoughts sometimes but I guess that last post wasn’t one of those times.
man original thoughts are cool.

you ever just have that conscious awareness that nobody's ever thought that same thought u just did?

Nope.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:42 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:14 pm Jackofhearts2005 I'm still waiting on those reads.
What, the missing ones?

I’m up to here but I’m probably still missing players and at least ifaar says he deserves a new look if my read on him is based on his early posts, which it is.

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo
Boopiny

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn
Tony
TL

Maybe scum
Nanook
Vanity

Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112
oh for crying out loud

name two alive players you read similarly to Epignosis and two alive players you read similarly to Nova

I already did, Chie.

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:47 pm investigatives can't claim in this setup!!!!! the biggest potential payoff of a godfather is a single slot hard defending for no apparent reason!!!

I have original thoughts sometimes but I guess that last post wasn’t one of those times.

Godfather isn’t even a good role in a game you can’t claim in, especially when the op says godfathers might be in the game.

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pm jack why is it you scumread radishes?

I scumread him pretty strongly rn

Cause his scumreads on Eva and Epi seem dishonest and his omgus on me feels forced. Please don’t ask me to point out specifics. I already did and Eva and Michelle keep asking me anyway and I don’t know what I’ll do if you follow suit.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:34 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:34 pm
112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:22 pm I’m right here, mongrel.
bro you have me, who's town, at the bottom of it, along with iaafr who's prolly town as well and MR who is likelier town than not

everyone scummy is in your null tier

gimme a break lol
I don’t have your role card and ifaar seems to be blatantly lying about how he treated Drago.

Case my null list if I should be scumreading these players.

Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn
yea but am I lying in a scummy way : brain:
BatmanTASeyesnarrow.gif
You're still here? And you still haven't gotten me those reads?

I did?

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:37 pm note epi and Jack both have had notscummyatallreads on nutella the whole game

maybe lld had a point and I was just blinded by her exaggeration

epis activity pattern here possibly also nagl?

I’m so good at reading Nutella it isn’t even funny. Casually crushed her last two times she was scum and I was town. Correctly found her as a townie like eight games running, including games I just spectated half of.

She’s town.

Oh wait Boo is Spiney. I got that right earlier.

Catwithanewspaper.jpg

I should take an ethics class.

Spoiler: show

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:09 pm i understand ethics is not a science, but does it spark an idea in anyone if i call it the applied science of the Will?
It sparks disagreement or I’ve just been whooshed.
i don't mean ethics=applied science(Will) in the literal sense that it can be reduced to the application of empirically-verified scientific principles of the Will. The Will, by all definitions I know of it, is supposedly outside of the normal laws of cause and effect, and there thereby can't be any science of it in the traditional sense. To say it's an applied science with a literal implication would be nonsense.

I guess I just went through a lot of my life understanding ethics to be in the very theoretical realm; but I've recently been understanding it more as something that must be applied in some way to make any sense of itself. If there is a purpose in studying ethics, it follows that there must be sense in applying it; and there's no other means to apply it than through the application of the Will, no?

iaafr, help me out here.

No, cause free will is a lie.

Spoiler: show

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:27 pm Rej was scummy. Colin is scummy. I wonder if there's something there.

iaafr and I,--while there's some tonal impurities in his posts, the 'I'm scum' repetition is somewhat annoying, and he's waffled on me quite a bit,--I'm inclined to think he and I are both townies one level deeper than all the others and seeing the game in a special way; it's probably my fault for not contributing enough up to now that we haven't been able to work out the game together. I understand the suspicion of him, and I'm not going to defend him absolutely against anyone who think he's scum, but I really want to start making an effort to interact with him and would like to clear him to myself for the time being.

I thought Colin was Spiny...

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:14 pm Jackofhearts2005 I'm still waiting on those reads.

What, the missing ones?

I’m up to here but I’m probably still missing players and at least ifaar says he deserves a new look if my read on him is based on his early posts, which it is.

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo
Boopiny

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn
Tony
TL

Maybe scum
Nanook
Vanity

Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:09 pm i understand ethics is not a science, but does it spark an idea in anyone if i call it the applied science of the Will?

It sparks disagreement or I’ve just been whooshed.

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:34 pm
112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:22 pm I’m right here, mongrel.
bro you have me, who's town, at the bottom of it, along with iaafr who's prolly town as well and MR who is likelier town than not

everyone scummy is in your null tier

gimme a break lol
I don’t have your role card and ifaar seems to be blatantly lying about how he treated Drago.

Case my null list if I should be scumreading these players.

Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn
yea but am I lying in a scummy way : brain:

BatmanTASeyesnarrow.gif

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:51 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:16 pm @Michelle

612 and 615 should give you an idea of why I suspect Radishes.
This is not a real reason, this is "look at these posts I think they're bad." Point at actual specific things you thought were "dishonest."

612 is a Radish posts where he quotes a post of mine where I point out a specific thing that I think it dishonest it also provides context for MY post, 615, where I point out a specific thing that I think is dishonest.

Michelle: Tyt answering my question.
Jack: I already did right here.
...I can't ask the followup I wanted to because it's about your read of a specific person and that's banned

... what two other players do you think are of similar scumminess to Nova?
What two other players do you think are of similar scumminess to Epignosis?

Quin and DF. Not even kidding. All three have been basically absent. I will say that Quin tends to stop caring as mafia but he’s going to have a hard time keeping up overall and DF rarely posts regardless of alignment whereas Nova tends to post a lot and often in a town leader role so it’s not exactly the same.

As in not that scummy at all? Nutella and Creature. The later two are meta reads. My read on Epi is more based on his stuff from today.

Repetition is a literary device.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:14 pm Is SHROOP like

BROOOWWRRRR!!!
Scott Howard's Rule Of Odd Posts. "Posts with obvious errors caused by editing are more likely made by mafia."
It wasn’t an error. I posted that sentence twice on purpose, same as radishes labeled a bunch of my posts “smear campaign” on purpose.
Sure, fine, whatever. Why did you ignore my earlier question to answer this one?

Probably because I big brain read from the beginning to the end and also forward from my first reaction to the beginning post.

So I’ve read like the first 5 pages and the last 5.

Or I just missed it.

What’s your question?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:16 pm @Michelle

612 and 615 should give you an idea of why I suspect Radishes.
This is not a real reason, this is "look at these posts I think they're bad." Point at actual specific things you thought were "dishonest."

612 is a Radish posts where he quotes a post of mine where I point out a specific thing that I think it dishonest it also provides context for MY post, 615, where I point out a specific thing that I think is dishonest.

Michelle: Tyt answering my question.
Jack: I already did right here.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:14 pm Is SHROOP like

BROOOWWRRRR!!!
Scott Howard's Rule Of Odd Posts. "Posts with obvious errors caused by editing are more likely made by mafia."

It wasn’t an error. I posted that sentence twice on purpose, same as radishes labeled a bunch of my posts “smear campaign” on purpose.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:21 pm @Jackofhearts2005, I see you lurking there. Got anything to say?

Lol must not have.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:35 pm Wait, Tom Berenger is in Inception?

He’s the dad’s friend and Tom Hardy disguises himself as him to trick Killian Murphy

Either my inception DVD or my PS2 is busted. Can’t get past the end of the first dream level right after the train scene.

[mention]Michelle[/mention]

612 and 615 should give you an idea of why I suspect Radishes.

Is SHROOP like

BROOOWWRRRR!!!

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:05 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:22 am Here’s where I’m at as of mid page 3. I’ll fill in the rest and move them about as I go. Players are in no particular order with the groups.

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn

Maybe scum
Nanook

Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112
... Why are Nutella, Creature and Benson in this list? None of them are even here. Do you have access to the old thread somehow, or are you just copying people's night reads?
LC is here as well. Missing LLD, the Rej replacement, etc. Its just wonky in terms of construction.

It’s supposed to be.

We are literally not allowed to post a rainbow list and it’s right there in the post you’re quoting that the list is incomplete.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:22 am Here’s where I’m at as of mid page 3. I’ll fill in the rest and move them about as I go. Players are in no particular order with the groups.

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn

Maybe scum
Nanook

Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112
... Why are Nutella, Creature and Benson in this list? None of them are even here. Do you have access to the old thread somehow, or are you just copying people's night reads?

I had townreads on Nutella and Creature yesterday.

Epi convinced me Benson is town today.

“Poorly worded” implication that Eva was “chaos posting” and therefore scum. Talk about a smear campaign.

We’ve gone over your post on Eva. I didn’t like your post(s) on Epi where he did long interactive isos and came to some sort of conclusion about the alignment of each player. I think they make Epi look really good and since the D1 thread is now gone, those posts are basically allowing me to develop reads on players I paid no attention to D1 or who posted in the 10 or so pages I missed.

Here’s what you have to say about it though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:38 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:35 pm Damn, I'm seeing why Epi has a rep

this is good casework
I can't remember him actually doing this before lol
How do you feel about an scum!Epignosis world?

He's burying the thread in mountains of quotes and if you actually read some of his thoughts on them they're lacking.

I also wasn't a fan of his EoD voting behaviour - he was a counter-wagon for awhile (rather than 112) but never voted for Drago even for self-preservation.

Talk about a smear campaign.

I called your reads level 1 because you admitted they’re basically pure wagonomics and there’s nothing more to say about them. I don’t take it back.

The later iirc.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:36 pm Lol, Jack launching a smear campaign against me.

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:22 pm I’m right here, mongrel.
bro you have me, who's town, at the bottom of it, along with iaafr who's prolly town as well and MR who is likelier town than not

everyone scummy is in your null tier

gimme a break lol

I don’t have your role card and ifaar seems to be blatantly lying about how he treated Drago.

Case my null list if I should be scumreading these players.

Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn

I’m right here, mongrel.

Lol 112 just left.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:58 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:10 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:34 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:22 am Here’s where I’m at as of mid page 3. I’ll fill in the rest and move them about as I go. Players are in no particular order with the groups.

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn

Maybe scum
Nanook

Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112
got it thanks.
thoughts on Radishes?
His pushes on Epi and Eva seem dishonest to me.

Like about as dishonest as ifaar and 112.
when in the game this happened? day one or today? (i know, i didn't catch up yet)
Today. I barely remember Radish’s D1.
then you can quote and give me details.

on D1 i was more focused on the interaction between Radishes and Elephant and i came after reading it with town read of radishes and SR on Elephant.

I’m going to finish reading the day and then I’ll give you details. Casing people on the first three pages of an 11 page thread is a poor idea. You could easily iso Radish and take the first 8 or so posts to see what I’m talking about.

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