The Syndicate

Sig comes in late D2 to a two lynch day with large wagons on Rej, Sloonei, Tony, Colin. Votes Sloonei and Rej and leaves.

Then the next day, he votes Long Con.

I have to check the context of the votes but what's up with that?

Jack: Let me explain this joke about TH and Sig being wolves.
Also Jack: Kinda think TH and Sig are the wolves.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:36 pm Okay Jack I can dig it.

I want to understand how you looked at that post and thought that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:08 am Just to add since I forgot: Sig's Rej vote was the 5th one, and his Sloonei one was also the 5th one.

Does wolfSig like to bus? I've only played with townSig or early lynched wolfSig.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:58 pm So you’ve got DDL and Jack voting Rej and then leaving for town Dom wagon and then Speedchuck switches to the Rej wagon that now isn’t going anywhere.

Creature and Sig end up off wagon on unflipped players and LC doesn’t vote voted for Dom.

DDL and myself are on Rej the next day. Is Speed? If so, good look for DDL and Speed. If not, good look for DDL and bad look for Speed.

None of the rest looks amazing but there isn’t really a right place to be with big town wagons only.

Hey, I voted! I voted once, and it was for Sloonei, it's there in orange.

Not on D1.

I think I voted for Dom on day one, didn't I?

Actually yeah you did so...

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:52 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:51 pmSloonei was never in danger of being lynched.

Okay. Show me where Sloonei was almost lynched D1.

My point is that it sounds like something Sloon's team would think about more than a civvie would think about.

I'm looking at the votes on D1 to see if there looks like a bus or a save. We have two dead wolves. I look at Rej's wagon because he could have gotten lynched. I look and see there's no Sloonei wagon so I'm not going to do anything regarding potential Sloonei busses or saves because he wasn't in danger of getting lynched.

How is that something that Sloon's team would be more likely to think about than a civvie?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:58 pm So you’ve got DDL and Jack voting Rej and then leaving for town Dom wagon and then Speedchuck switches to the Rej wagon that now isn’t going anywhere.

Creature and Sig end up off wagon on unflipped players and LC doesn’t vote.

DDL and myself are on Rej the next day. Is Speed? If so, good look for DDL and Speed. If not, good look for DDL and bad look for Speed.

None of the rest looks amazing but there isn’t really a right place to be with big town wagons only.

Hey, I voted! I voted once, and it was for Sloonei, it's there in orange.

Not on D1.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:51 pmSloonei was never in danger of being lynched.

Okay. Show me where Sloonei was almost lynched D1.

Jay and Sloonei are the same player so there wasn’t actually a competing Speed wagon.

So you’ve got DDL and Jack voting Rej and then leaving for town Dom wagon and then Speedchuck switches to the Rej wagon that now isn’t going anywhere.

Creature and Sig end up off wagon on unflipped players and LC doesn’t vote.

DDL and myself are on Rej the next day. Is Speed? If so, good look for DDL and Speed. If not, good look for DDL and bad look for Speed.

None of the rest looks amazing but there isn’t really a right place to be with big town wagons only.

This key ain’t working for me. Fixed it kinda.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:46 am
Day 1

Dom votes Nutella
Creature - sig
MacDougall votes Drago
Creature votes Drago
Speedchuck votes Nutella
Nutella votes Speedchuck
Jack votes Nutella
Creature - LC
Dunya votes Dom
JJJ votes Speedchuck
Speedchuck - Macdougall
DDL votes Rej
Rej votes DDL
Jack votes Rej
Sloonei votes DDL
Dom - Jack
Rej voted Drago
Dunya votes DDL
Long Con votes Dom
DDL votes Dom
Jack votes Dom
Speedchuck votes Rej
Nanook - dunya
Boo - colin
Sig - Nanook
Nanook votes Dom
Sloonei - Boo
Colin votes Dom
Sloonei votes Drag
Boo votes Drago
Nutella votes Drago

KEY:

Dom
Dragomir
Rej
Nutella
DDL
Speedchuck
Others

Corrections:

@Dragomir never called his votes. We know he made a vote for Rej in the middle of day 1. Based on his and Rej's posts, it happened somewhere around Jack's vote to Rej and Rej's vote to Drago. The fact we can't know for sure whether Sloonei joined the DDL wagon before or after the Rej wagon gained a third vote makes me want to facepalm. Bad Drago.

Sig called a vote on nanook, but did not aubergine. Bad Sig!

Sloonei was never in danger of being lynched.

Rej has 3 votes (Jack, DDL, Drago) at one point, competing with wagons on Drago Mac, Rej) and DDL (Rej, Sloonei, Dunya) and Speedchuck (Jay, Nutella.)

You guys wouldn’t believe how often players think I’m claiming my role is that I cannot be lynched.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:54 am It's really nice that sig and TH were already main suspects before this came up. Thank you, Jack.

Since when?

It’s a joke.

I threw out a poe that included the two of you in the form of a salad as a joke (the salad, not the poe). We talked about why that poe and it’s not that I even suspect the players that much but thatI’ve cleared the other 3 players.

Then Speed notices that Sloonei and Rej are at the top of the player list. The player list isn’t in alphabetical order. He jokingly says that you and TH have to be wolves because the player list is in role order with the wolves all at the top.

So LC is joking that we never would have figured out Speed’s (joke) solve that you two are mafia if I hadn’t first put “strong suspicion” on you two by putting you in my POE.

Gonna change my undertitle to “explainer of jokes.”

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:54 am It's really nice that sig and TH were already main suspects before this came up. Thank you, Jack.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:44 am What am I looking at

I almost threw out a couple player lists with people colored random different colors until I realized that wasn’t what we were doing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:13 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:11 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:11 pm I guess it’s between LC, Sig, TH AND MAYBE Speedchuck.

I was planning on just voting Dunya and seeing how things went from there but now that’s shot.

I know this is ironic but it's still salad.

I was also going to vote Dunya. Guess I telegraphed that too hard.

Would you mind explaining, in show, what 'clears' the non-salad players for you?

Okay.

I'm clearing Nanook for the Colin/Sloonei POE. Creature for volume/tone on D3 given his meta. DDL for generally feeling pure and townDDLish and also for being on Rej early and often.

Thanks. I have less to go on with Creature, less experience with his meta, but I can roll with those.

A better way to read my POE is "I've cleared 3 players and I kinda think Speedchuck is town." Here's everybody else and I'm not entirely clearing Speed.

It just sounded funnier as a salad.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:05 am 1. sig
2. Rej -- [Avon Barksdale] -- Lynched D2
3. Zemmi / Turnip Head
4. JaggedJimmyJay / Sloonei -- [D'Angelo Barksdale] -- Lynched D4
5. Nutella -- [Clay Davis] -- Killed N2
6. Dunya -- [Bill Rawls] -- Killed N4
7. Dom -- [Kima] -- Killed N1
8. Long Con
9. TonyStarkPrime -- [Lester Freamon] -- Lynched D2
10. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
11. Creature
12. Boo -- [Cedric Daniels] -- Killed N3
13. Macdougall -- [Herc] -- Killed N1
14. Dragon D. Luffy
15. Coliniscool -- [The Bunk] -- Lynched D3
16. Speedchuck
17. Jackofhearts2005
18. Dragomir -- [Prez] -- Lynched D1

Do you see the pattern?

The town list is in some random mindscrew order, but the scum are 2 and 4, while the town are all higher numbers. It must be ordered by alignment! Sig and TH, place your votes now.

Gottem.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:11 pm I guess it’s between LC, Sig, TH AND MAYBE Speedchuck.

I was planning on just voting Dunya and seeing how things went from there but now that’s shot.

I know this is ironic but it's still salad.

I was also going to vote Dunya. Guess I telegraphed that too hard.

Would you mind explaining, in show, what 'clears' the non-salad players for you?

Okay.

I'm clearing Nanook for the Colin/Sloonei POE. Creature for volume/tone on D3 given his meta. DDL for generally feeling pure and townDDLish and also for being on Rej early and often.

I guess it’s between LC, Sig, TH AND MAYBE Speedchuck.

I was planning on just voting Dunya and seeing how things went from there but now that’s shot.

Lol whatever idk who the wolves are.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:29 pm Okay yeah DDL handled that response

I've been having trouble focusing on the game and forgot completely about ddl's case, but I will give it subconscious credit at least.

You've been right about Rej and Sloonei so far. I'd say you've been very focused

Yeah, Speed is probably mafia cause how would he learn to catch scum since he’s always mafia?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:47 am

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:15 am The only thing it does do is nake nanook last second swoop to save LC look better, which does help.

Nanook and sloondog both bad -- They switch the vote from LC (Civ) to Colin (Civ) -- Nanook still would like Sloon dead, and doesn't want LC dead -- Colin dies -- the writing was on the wall for Sloon, so the bus was easy to greenlight. Maybe the tide would even turn to LC the next day? That would be a bonus. Otherwise Nanook gets to be LC's best friend and a true town champion for sticking with Sloon. Votepark on Sloon on Day 4, first one on!

I don't accept your proposal, sig.

Did Nanook express suspicion of you?

Iirc, the idea that Colin and/or Sloonei had to be wolf cause Rej didn’t self preserve originally came from Nanook.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:09 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:03 pm Which isn’t to say I’m not having fun but rather why the hell doesn’t DDL suspect anyone? I suspect lots of people. I’m closer to a poe of everybody than a poe of nobody.

I don't have a strong reason to think anyone is scum either.

I think you are not that different from me. A poe of everyone means you have no idea who to lynch.

No, I’m saying I have less confirmed townies than players I could see as a wolf.

Sweet. I finally caught a wolf Sloonei. Only took me like four years.

Next is Dunya.

Or next is read Sloonei and try to find his partner.

Which isn’t to say I’m not having fun but rather why the hell doesn’t DDL suspect anyone? I suspect lots of people. I’m closer to a poe of everybody than a poe of nobody.

The best part of mafia is when you don’t suspect anyone and you have strong reason to think everyone is town.

This is not that time.

Yeah. Today has been pretty boring.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:56 am Lol I wasn’t trying to win any sympathy unvotes or say I shouldn’t be lynched. Just lamenting my own schedule preventing me form doing what’s necessary to figure this out before I go down.

Do your best!

[mention]dunya[/mention]

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:09 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:40 pm If there's scum on rej, I'd say it's between speedchuck and DDL.

Why?

I am too pissed off to reply to you today. That is a combination of me being hungry and tired and feeling like arguing with someone I think is town is dumb. Maybe tomorrow. Gj the only notable thing you've done this game is tick me off

Trying to demoralize the town is wolfy.

Nighty night.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:40 pm If there's scum on rej, I'd say it's between speedchuck and DDL.

Why?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:24 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:12 pm We I do think oui ought to lynch Dunya after Sloonei.

why?

Cause your reads feel faaaaaake. Your scumread on Rej spontaneously appeared when he had like 5 votes. Your Sloonei scumread did the same today.

Like everybody else you’ve voted for is someone I townread and I’ve raised at eyebrow at least at your reasons for voting them, particularly Boo.

first part is a lie. go check the vote tally. i was an important vote on rej and it didn't come out of nowhere. if i was bad, there's no way i'd vote for my teammate out of fucking nowhere either. i vote based on intuition. rej's first post before he did the isos was SO BAD i didn't even read the isos. i hated it, and i knew he was bad. i don't need a ton of convincing when something smells fishy right under my nose.

and i was the third vote on sloonei. i could have easily continued with LC and put him in the lead instead and continued my push on him. so get the fuck outta here jack.

What do you mean by the orange part? What I think you mean is that sloonei is bad, and you should be townleaned for sticking on him instead of going for the easy LC fruit. It's good logic, except that we don't know that sloonei is bad... do YOU know that he's bad? That's how I understand the logic there.

Uh, no?? Do people not read full exchanges?

Jack said my sloonei scumREAD spontaneously appeared. I said it wasn't spontaneous; I had other options (easier to follow if I was scum). Thus, unlike Jack's false accusation, my read and vote were calculated, as was my vote.

The implication was not that your votes weren’t calculated but that your scumreads developed only when other people made it so those players were going to be lynched with or without you.

That (along with your pretty damn selective self quoting on your Rej progression) is why you aren’t getting any cred for voting Rej and won’t get any credit for lynching Sloonei, assuming he flips wolf.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:30 pm Why didn't i vote Colin and save rej if I hadn't mentioned him much like u said? Do you sincerely think I'd vote to lynch rej when I had other options?

Gee, Jack. Is bussing ever a thing?

This is gonna be kinda piecemeal since Sloonei quotes quotes of quotes and asks lots of questions. If you feel like my selective quotes are dishonest, feel free to do this yourself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 pm basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus

I feel like there is more to speedchuck’s read than that. He seems to be beefing with the particular language of rej’s post, arguing that it lacks direction rather than simply being non-committal. Is there anything else?

But like what's wrong with lacking direction? Are players not allowed to ramble/post stream of consciousness thoughts?

Rambling = working through ideas publicly and verbally to move toward a conclusion.
Lacking direction = vomiting words for the sake of saying something

I am not saying that I agree or disagree with anything speedchuck is saying about Rej. I’m just saying I don’t think you’re characterizing his read accurately.

Question’s Nutella about her Rej read while remaining neutral on Rej.

As Nutella said “Okay.”

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:13 pmHis (DoWm's) level of critical engagement has been a little less than I'm used to seeing. I don't find that in itself to be a particularly inspiring case, but it's worth exploring.

That's where I'm at, actually. I'm not super-inspired by the Dom vote either, and I wouldn't be surprised if a Dom lynch ended badly. When I went to compare the two games, I kept an open mind... if I had seen the same Dom, then I would have posted about it. Like I said, I found the differences striking, and it served to solidify my vote more. The scales are unbalanced without Dom here to defend himself, but I'm on the heavy side of the scales.. something else will have to tip the balance enough to chanfge my vote, if Dom isn't going to bring the weight down.

I have a sexy angleshooting alternate vote in mind, but I won't discuss that openly... I'll just let it inform my vote should the winds blow that way.

Who else is worth looking at?

I don't mind the Rej and Drago wagons too much. I haven't yet looked at DDL to see if he's been as insincere as some say... which I think is the main reason he has votes?

Where could I find a nice succinct description of the Drago and Rej wagons?

I am half of the DDL wagon so far and I've read about 25% of this thread.

Asks about the Rej case twice (once not quoted here). Doesn’t get an answer before digging into Rej himself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:42 pm Quick glance at Rej

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:08 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties

I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.

the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

It's an obvious assumption to make given the player pool.

1.5 years mafia experience, and I havent ever seen someone comming D0 implying that third parties might be survivorish. Lmao, this is scummy af and I dont know how else to judge this random wild assumption.

I just think that you could be harmful (possible third) who tries to downplay the scum/thirds in general in this game.

Thats why I said noteworthy.

This is an odd post. I've never played with Rej and I don't know where else he's played, but I'm not inclined to read sig in the way that Rej is proposing here. It seems like an odd thing to latch onto for what appears to be Rej's first read of the game.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:59 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:04 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:14 pm Lol creature is town

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Eh?

Dom probably suspects you of basing your town gutread on Creature on TMI. (My first guess).
I also give Creature a townread, but he set his vote and he was quite engageful. Tho my read on him bases on post-voting.

Why did you give him a towncard?

I also don't know why he responded to this. @Rej why did you respond to this?

DDL posted a fairly length case on Rej and he responded with this, which... does not really address anything. He just kinda shrugs at DDL's point about his stance(s) on Creature. That's basically nothing. Then he votes for DDL, but changes to Dragomir in his next post. Both look like omgus.

I'm uninspired. I like the DDL case that exists in here.

So he supports the Rej case ish?

Doesn’t vote there though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:47 pm Someone who's got a better feel for this thread than I do right now, please answer this:

Are Rej and Drago compatible as scum partners?

Wants to know if Rej and Drago could be partners. I don’t remember Sloonei really focusing on Drago at this point. Reads like an attempt to lynch town Drago instead of it after Rej.

pRe FlIp AsSoCiAtIoNs

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:50 pm I didn't love either of those ISOs on a quick glance, but they also have set themselves apart from one another in the thread. It is not in my nature to seek out partnerships at this stage of the game, but the way those two have engaged overall has the feel of two players who want there to be distance between them.

RE: drago and rej

Same here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:57 pm I have never played with Rej. I am less inclined to vote for him because I don't really know what to expect when I look at his posts. I would like him to answer some things if he's alive tomorrow.

Rut roh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:53 pm I take some responsibility for the Drago lynch, but I reject the idea that his lynch came out of nowhere. With about 45 minutes left in the phase I was unsatisfied with the trains that existed in the thread. There were a few names that I had seen mentioned in conversations, of players who had at least a vote or two on them at the time, but who weren’t being discussed seriously at that moment. So I went back to take a closer look at them. I was unsatisfied with both Drago’s ISO and Rej’s. I voted for Drago. At the time that made it 5 to 3, I think.

If I survive the night, I’d like to follow up on Rej. I think it’s also worth looking into the votes that came in near the end of the deadline. The Dom wagon seemed dead for most of the time that I was here, but no one was moving off of it.

Drago is lynched and Sloonei says he will follow up on Rej if he survives the night.

Okay.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:14 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:09 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:07 pm Im curious when sloon dropped the DDL sus

It was never much of a suspicion, but he became a slight town read when I ISO’d Rej(?) and saw a nice case by DDL in there.

So why didn't you vote rej?

Because Drago was also an option and I’m less familiar with Rej so I did not feel as comfortable voting for him. I’ve never played with Rej before.

Just parrots his earlier self.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:13 pm [VOTE: rej] aubergine

Tell me who I should vote for instead of you.

Sloonei tends to throw his vote around a lot. This also does nothing to progress my Sloonei read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:21 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:16 pm I will deliver a multilayered defense and this will be my first part of it.
First of all I am aware that I am getting lynched for odds again, for this I again want to explain why I had my vote on Drago without rly creating a mislynch, as creating a mislynch in anyway on that wagon is NAI.

Since Drago voted me and whatever negative feeling it caused in me, I wanted to go after it and dig for it.
Just look at Drago's ISO and then look at post #568 , whatever I stated about Drago was true and in the end he didn't play like a civ, sorry to say that.
I didn't change my vote for the sake of not creating a wonky case on someone.

So while skimming and paying attention on stuff related to me I saw argumentation like "he was voted by Drago and last time Drago did it Rej was scum". Bullshit, since neither Drago's posts nor his attitude inclined anything about him having leads to me. It was clearly investigation through FoSing and interaction and due to odds I am a comfortable target.

I think most people voting me are concerned townies due to misinterpretation and given odds. If I get lynched then I am fine with it, but at this point I won't give up even if I try to convince each of my voters individually.

This just the first layer of my defense. And yes I will hand out reads while doing so because I don't want to fall back in the game so be patient with me, the DP is still 48 hrs I guess.

I don’t care about any of this. I want reads.

Some hostility and dismissiveness.

At this point, I think Rej was being voted for 3-4 players cause I was one of them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:48 pm took my vote off rej since he's got enough attention on him as is.

Ooph.

That’s the second time Sloonei decides to not vote Rej for very questionable reasons.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:09 pm Speaking of Rej, I asked him for reads and he supplied some but I haven't responded. So:

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:42 pm ayayyy

First the ISO to my voters:

DDL: Has a misinterpretation of things against me. Doesn't like me for reasons. Tho I agree with him on the points against boo. Boo voted Drago off with uss and then he tried to sell us a Zemmi lynch possibility. His vote on boo was well placed, seems town.
Oh and yes Dragon D. Luffy I am a noob, what attracts me in mafia are mechanics and setups and roles, I just admire the mindgaming in the DPs and I can't reach that level yet.

A town read on DDL which also includes a scum read on boo. If I am following correctly, Rej, you town read DDL because of his vote for boo? Why is that? Why do you suspect boo, and do you care that DDL has since changed his read on boo?

Speedchuck: Also went for Creature like DDL early DP1, often civillian behaviour to clear out a person's alignment or stance. Can't find scummy posts in his ISO. Also what does he have against weasleness? Weasles are cute animals. I want one as pet dafuck

You say you can't find any scummy posts in his ISO. Do you see any townie posts? You seem to suggest that his early behavior toward DDL and creature was a good look. Why?

Jack: Normal entrance, didn't went for creature, sheeped a vote on me which I rly don't like, until I was thematized more. Gave fuel to my wagon basically which I don't apreciate. Between the posts you can often find WIFOM... #422 I didn't like the "blah blah statement"
I see a dimension where jack and boo interactions could be W/V or W/W interactions. Deserves its own reanalysis.
#1007 lmao, is this throw off something a civ would say? and if yes why? Jackofhearts2005
less townlean on Jack, but I don't think scum would recklessly jump on my wagon at this point?

All of this is negative until that final point at the end, where you seem to walk it back a bit. Then you vote for Jack anyway. What? I'm also not totally clear on what you don't like about Jack's posts. You suggest that "WIFOM" is part of the problem, but I don't follow what exactly you mean or are referring to.

TSP: Interesting ISO, he likes using the term W/W and this implies that he is explicitly scumhunting and he is flexible about it. Could be to create chaos or to find early leaking scum. Slightly more civ lean in the entrance. Suspecting Sloonei, then moving votes from nutella to me, + lecturing boo, since then his votes didnt change. Interesting that he did not interact with the Dom and Dragomir wagons. Were they civ caused autorunner?
50/50 on TSP depending on his bigger sheme.

This is all a big shrug, and the word "interesting" appears twice without judgments being made. Gun to your head, is Tony town or scum?

Sloonei: Targets DDL, a justified target to inquisition, flips later to Boo. alot of meta talks in their posts which I cant dissect. Questioning both wagons alot is giving Sloo civ points. #653 the "shrug vote post" was kinda cute and innocent. Another townlean.
#683 @Sloonei I think we played together before? or did you host for me? there was something before that is not accurate...
and I missed answering your question, I answered because I wanted to speed up forcing an interaction, since I am mre like a peek a boo player. lmao
And yes me and Drago are compatible as scum partners, we won games together, one or two no remembering.
Sloonei asks justified questions further on, I know zero about their meta at that point, feels like dissecting a complete stranger and it's interesting.
Sloo vs nut? deserves its own post.

Yes hello, that's me. Asking questions is my shtick, especially early on and when I don't know players. As you can probably tell right now. It's just how I work through things in the game. I like to know how people are interpreting the game.
I may have hosted a game that you played before. Sockville, maybe? Anyway, you suggest that you're interested in my interactions with nutella. Why? What's your read on those exchanges?

I am tired as fuck I will place votes now
one will be boo the other will be Jack, I am ready to move my votes to TSP for the sake of seeing where it leads with my reeks or nutella because there is also something going on.

Will keep other ISOs for tomorrow.

Good Night
[VOTE: boo] aubergine
[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Why did you choose to focus on the people who were voting for you? What don't you like about boo?

Lots of questions. This interaction exists but it doesn’t do much for me. There’s no push or defense.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:40 pm I should not spend a lot of time playing mafia today, but i’m also leading in a double lynch poll and have been the entire time. That’s obnoxious, especially when only two of the voters have expressed a reason to vote for me.

Colin looks bad. Tony looks uninspiring. Rej made one reads post and dipped. Let’s look at people who might actually deserve to be lynched today.

RuLe Of ThReE

I’m half serious.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:25 pm I’m not totally clear on why rej has all those votes. That’s not me saying he’s a town read, and obviously I voted for him as well earlier. But I was looking for him to give reads. I’m unclear on why the rest of the votes exist.

Hesitant defense. Doesn’t want to look like he’s defending Rej. Bad look.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:39 pm I will switch to rej if it means guaranteeing my survival. But colin is my top choice today.

More Rej defense. Keep in mind Sloonei is not just very hesitant to vote for Rej. He has expressed no townread on Rej.

What do we call players who defend wolves they don’t townread?

Wolves.

I really should do this for Sloonei but I’m dreading it cause I’m sure he asked everyone about Rej and Rej about everyone.

Can we get two lynches again?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:44 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties

I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.

the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

yeah, it does seem a bit wordy from sig.

still on half of page 3.

i like rej so far the most. seems authentic and reminds me of the game i played with him on another forum (he was civ, i wasn't). same drive and kind of observations.

nutella comes across more snarky than i remember her must mean she's civ

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:02 am Yeah, I’m fine with a Rej lynch. Or maybe a Nanook one. He’s mostly just blah blah mafia philosophy.

yucky post, jack.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:22 am people i would be willing to lynch today
ddl
speedchuck
jack
dragomir
macdougall
maybe sig

people i wouldn't be willing to lynch today
nutella
sloonei
rej
LC
creature? i think.

if i haven't named you, it means you're not present in my mindset.

^All of Dunya’s posts about Rej are defending him until the two she posted.

This is the first time she voiced suspicion of him.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:45 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:15 pm I think the main question with Rej is whether he is really undecided or if he's just playing at both sides to look like he's doing something.

It's off-putting because he doesn't just change his mind, he does it 2 or 3 times in the same paragraph. Doesn't look much like a normal stream of thought.

No matter if he votes to lynch or to spare Drago, you'll find a reasoning in his post when you dig it.

tbh, the wishy washy 50/50 doesn't remind me of the town rej i saw in the one game i played with him so meta is not very reliable here. but correct me if i'm wrong. he was stubborn and annoying for my team because he would make plans and be vocal about them and get everyone on the same page in a loud way.

But it doesn’t stick.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:27 pm also that final quote is extra fun in light of the drago flip. scum speed would be biased toward assuming one would have a "coherent stance" on drago since he would have had tmi

Sloonei and speed make sense as teammates. I dont see sloonei pick up anything from speed despite him being a central piece of attention vs u on day 1. If they're teammates, sloonei would actively avoid talking about him and reminding us. He keeps choosing names like rej and drago and boo as names "people have been talking about" "Tell me more about these names"

Feels like focusing the narrative away from Dom etc.

Here’s the other post Dunya points out where she “suspects” Rej.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:17 am 1. sig - could be mafia
2. Rej - could be mafia
3. Zemmi - town coinflip
4. JaggedJimmyJay/ sloonei - town
5. Nutella - probably mafia
6. Dunya - town
8. Long Con - probably town
9. TonyStarkPrime - probably town
10. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - the shtick is getting old, maybe the 3p
11. Creature - probably town
12. Boo - probably mafia
14. Dragon D. Luffy - stiff but getting more town vibes from him today
15. Coliniscool - town
16. Speedchuck - probably town
17. Jackofhearts2005 - could be mafia

No reasoning. No definitive scum read. And in fact...

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:21 am i'm not sure i understand the "rej" case. is it a case of if dom and drago were both town, the third most talked about person was rej so he must have been bad? i mean it's not a terrible case, but is that the extent of it or is there more?

She doesn’t know why she’s supposed to suspect him.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:51 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:57 am Im down for a rej lynch not feeling sloonie or boo

Why aren't you feeling boo? What has boo done to gain your confidence?

^This reads as a Rej defense but in fairness to Dunya, we have two lynches.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11 pm i moved my vote from nutella to rej. his posts have not inspired the confidence in him i hoped to see.

Here is where Dunya finally expresses a scumread on Rej and votes him. It’s the last time she mentions Rej that day.

I wonder why Dunya left out all those other posts about Rej when she went to prove how much she suspected him.

I still scumread her.

Sunk*

(I honestly don’t know how many votes there were. Wish we had MU’s vote counting bot. I do remember seeing Dunya’s vote and thinking Rej was already suck and her vote looked like a bus.)

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:29 pm So everyone who voted Rej is town then?

and don't backtrack now. you said he had 5 votes when i voted rej which is a lie. why do you feel the need to lie to make a case against me?

How many votes did he have?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:29 pm So everyone who voted Rej is town then?

have you confirmed sig, ddl and speed as town then?

You’re saying to look at the vote count. Your vote was important to lynch Rej.

So is your vote more important that everyone else who voted Rej?

If so, why?

If not, are all Rej voters town?

If not, then what are you talking about?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:29 pm So everyone who voted Rej is town then?

Alternative question, why was your vote particularly important?

So everyone who voted Rej is town then?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:15 pm also, unlike you, i am literally never lynched. in all my mafia career, just once because of sig. that's with like 8 years of playing mafia lol.

I’ve lynched 7 wolves this year who tried to lynch me D1 or D2.

Also, none of the times I was lynch count for various reasons.

but i haven't voted for you this game? and now i finally have it in good faith you might be trusted..here i am extending an olive branch and you're shitting on it. bad jack.

Why would I work with a wolf to catch wolves?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:12 pm We I do think oui ought to lynch Dunya after Sloonei.

why?

Cause your reads feel faaaaaake. Your scumread on Rej spontaneously appeared when he had like 5 votes. Your Sloonei scumread did the same today.

Like everybody else you’ve voted for is someone I townread and I’ve raised at eyebrow at least at your reasons for voting them, particularly Boo.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:15 pm also, unlike you, i am literally never lynched. in all my mafia career, just once because of sig. that's with like 8 years of playing mafia lol.

I’ve lynched 7 wolves this year who tried to lynch me D1 or D2.

Also, none of the times I was lynch count for various reasons.

We I do think oui ought to lynch Dunya after Sloonei.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:26 pm @Turnip Head
@sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@Sloonei

Do you townread dunya and if yes how strongly

Nein.

Dunya hasn’t really said anything today that’s pinged me.