The Syndicate

Actually idk if they’re alive let me check.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:35 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:34 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:33 am @Seanzie, the other two are refusing, so I guess I'm asking you now

If you're sure, I will. I'd prefer to see them claim first, but if you ask again, I will.

Ehh, fuck it, I'm manga spider man. I can remove 3 votes from myself (and others), and as such there are ways I can clear myself via the vote tonight.

Negatory. Mafia has vote manipulation, too.

I’m not claiming. If shooting Seanzie doesn’t end the game and Epi and I are both town and neither of us gets yeeted, me claiming is the equivalent of throwing away a chop.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:33 am jack you were literally advocating for massclaim before

I was saying it should be considered, not that it should be done.

And no massclaim means any townies in Epi/Guillo/Jack make it to tomorrow, which gives town an extra day.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:29 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:28 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:25 am there is no soup if I shoot a wolf and we chop a wolf

you absolute nincompoops

if I miss, we lose whether you claim or not

I maintain that if there’s a wolf in Guillo/Epi/Jack/Esooa/Mac, a massclaim has a VERY strong chance to lose us the game.

I think all those players are town. I think we have two chances to get rid of Seanzie today and that’s game.

I think arbitrarily killing people who are super townie because they disagree with a strategy proposed by someone who showed up on Day 6 is a great way to burn chances and lose the game.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:25 am there is no soup if I shoot a wolf and we chop a wolf

you absolute nincompoops

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:22 am I didn't get anything from your posts tbh

Idk how you can read someone making like 40 posts in a row and not get any idea of their alignment whatsoever. That’s kinda sad but whatever.

You’ll figure it out and I won’t get shot.

Like Esooa gets blasted without claiming. Gets confirmed with a claim. Worth it.

Seanzie is now in that situation except it might not confirm him.

Epi, Guillo and myself are widely townread. All us claiming even does fmpov is line us up for soup.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:21 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:17 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:14 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:12 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:10 am I thought about fake ccing Spiderham and I’m glad I didn’t.

claim pls

Not before Seanzie, tiger.

#2

If you wanna die on this hill, maybe don’t take the rest of us with you, eh?

This’ll do more to prove my townieness than a claim will anyway.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2015&start=8000#p727480

is this Guillotine claiming Assassin when Nutella just died and flipped Assassin?

There’s a lot of fake and joke claiming.

Also...like, that’s not what you’re supposed to get out of that link.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:14 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:12 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:10 am I thought about fake ccing Spiderham and I’m glad I didn’t.

claim pls

Not before Seanzie, tiger.

#2

If you wanna die on this hill, maybe don’t take the rest of us with you, eh?

This’ll do more to prove my townieness than a claim will anyway.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2015&start=8000#p727480

It’s cause he’s the real cosmic spiderman noir.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:10 am I thought about fake ccing Spiderham and I’m glad I didn’t.

claim pls

Not before Seanzie, tiger.

I’d strongly object to a shot on Epi over Seanzie and meekly object to a massclaim.

I thought about fake ccing Spiderham and I’m glad I didn’t.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:52 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:51 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:42 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:33 pm actually I have a very important question

a lot of these roles manipulate vote power

the screenshots LC has in the OP

do they include vote power changes?

how do we know when someone's vote power has applied?

I would also like to know what impacts this soup kill stuff

i've seen a couple people refuse to claim to evade the "soup kill"

how does that work

I don't understand what the question is tbh.

if the vote screenshots include vote power changes, we can do vote count analysis

and if soup kills aren't impacted by people claiming, then I call bullshit on the people being cagey when we're effectively at LYLO

the soup kill is literally anticlaim

everyone who died did so with the most votes so there's no evidence of vote manip

2 to 3 wolves left

wolves already had their mega soup kills

if I shoot a wolf

and we chop a wolf, and that's not game over

there's no soup kill left, only the assigned kill

so someone tell me why I shouldn't just force everyone to claim their role right this very second

If there are 3 wolves left, smh.

Secret roles. Some roles aren’t provable so if me, Guillo, Epi and Seanzie claimed four different unprovable roles, you’re not really in a better spot and now you can’t afford to get it wrong whereas if you blast Seanzie (flips wolf) and then chop say Esooa (flips town) and you and Mac get souped, that gives me and Epi and Guillo a day to find the wolf between us. If we all claim, we lose that day.

That’s pretty cornercasey.

I prefer to have Seanzie claim and go from there.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:00 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:57 pm Also, DON'T shoot me until someone answers me about the soup kill:

Can wolves soup with only one wolf left alive?

I don’t see why not.

But only at night, which makes claiming strong at lylo

Because the tradeoff for soup is that two wolves need to not use their NA's right, can that happen with only one wolf?

This is important.

Oh, I didn’t know that because I don’t pay attention to wolf rolecards.

Gottem.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:57 pm Also, DON'T shoot me until someone answers me about the soup kill:

Can wolves soup with only one wolf left alive?

I don’t see why not.

But only at night, which makes claiming strong at lylo

If you are confident there is only one mafia left then sure

And I will be if Seanzie dies and the game doesn’t end. Which is totes unfair but there it is.

This is why you’re a orc, Mac.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:57 pm Also, DON'T shoot me until someone answers me about the soup kill:

Can wolves soup with only one wolf left alive?

I don’t see why not.

But only at night, which makes claiming strong at lylo

I want Seanzie to tell us who the wolves are if not him.

Like I believe that Esooa is that townie more than I believe the wolves have a secret role that lets them soapbox and they used it for this and then Esooa, after playing kinda an obvious wolf game, perfectly fakes annoyance at her worthless pretend town role.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:48 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:46 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:25 pm @KZA are you clearing any of esooa, jack, epi, nutella, seanzie?

Essoa is town, Sean is confirmed town. Jack and epi likely mafia here. How many are left?

There's this and zero clearing between Esooa/Grogu. It's probably just Esooa here.

Who is Spider-Ham and why aren't they CCing Esooa?

Where did she even claim that role?

Like 20 min ago?

Maybe it's just a wolf role.

Esooa looks like a slam dunk Grogu partner.

I know but she also was like “this role is stupid” and the blocks and half assed soap boxes match that. That’s what Kza saw that nobody else did.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:46 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:25 pm @KZA are you clearing any of esooa, jack, epi, nutella, seanzie?

Essoa is town, Sean is confirmed town. Jack and epi likely mafia here. How many are left?

There's this and zero clearing between Esooa/Grogu. It's probably just Esooa here.

What’s the counter argument to them just being Spiderham?

Okay so who is mafia?

Seanzie?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:48 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:46 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:25 pm @KZA are you clearing any of esooa, jack, epi, nutella, seanzie?

Essoa is town, Sean is confirmed town. Jack and epi likely mafia here. How many are left?

There's this and zero clearing between Esooa/Grogu. It's probably just Esooa here.

Who is Spider-Ham and why aren't they CCing Esooa?

Where did she even claim that role?

Like 20 min ago?

Jack, who is very smart, got a great idea.

What if Mac is a wolf and GMan was the seemer?

But no, we confirmed GMan was who he said he was so that’s not a thing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:46 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:25 pm @KZA are you clearing any of esooa, jack, epi, nutella, seanzie?

Essoa is town, Sean is confirmed town. Jack and epi likely mafia here. How many are left?

There's this and zero clearing between Esooa/Grogu. It's probably just Esooa here.

What’s the counter argument to them just being Spiderham?

Grogu saying they were visiting their gf and also talking about their wifey was a dead giveaway they were a wolf tbhZ

Yeah I’ll yeet two “mechanically confirmed” players over Epi (or Guillo). That’s how sure of my Epi townread I am.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:37 pm Okay, I can see the wolves thinking that is me claiming as many as three different roles. So without saying I am or am not in that group, that’s at least two potential misses at my role.

Fine.

But Mac hard claimed a specific role. So why swing and miss at me twice?

Mac is alive because the mafia wants him alive. Whatever that means.

I'm gonna say this once and once only.

The town lost this game because the town were utter idiots when it comes to claiming.

This game was eminently winnable from the start of the game if the town literally didn't try to be clever and play around the soup kill. All that was required was playing as though claiming was mod killable.

I am alive because I understood this fact from the get go.

I’m saying I haven’t roleclaimed at all lol

Good lord. You called me a dingus lol.

Meant dingo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:41 pm Surely there is Grogu spew to sort through.

I’m drunk on the Seanzie green peek.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:40 pm Judge Seanzie's content and see if he's genuinely trying to figure people out or skate by. I believe Seanzie has been doing the latter.

I guess I should actually iso my poe of probably 1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:37 pm Okay, I can see the wolves thinking that is me claiming as many as three different roles. So without saying I am or am not in that group, that’s at least two potential misses at my role.

Fine.

But Mac hard claimed a specific role. So why swing and miss at me twice?

Mac is alive because the mafia wants him alive. Whatever that means.

I'm gonna say this once and once only.

The town lost this game because the town were utter idiots when it comes to claiming.

This game was eminently winnable from the start of the game if the town literally didn't try to be clever and play around the soup kill. All that was required was playing as though claiming was mod killable.

I am alive because I understood this fact from the get go.

I’m saying I haven’t roleclaimed at all lol

Okay, I can see the wolves thinking that is me claiming as many as three different roles. So without saying I am or am not in that group, that’s at least two potential misses at my role.

Fine.

But Mac hard claimed a specific role. So why swing and miss at me twice?

Mac is alive because the mafia wants him alive. Whatever that means.

Actually...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:34 pm I am not even saying you're mafia Jack. I am saying that your claim was so blatant that the mafia missing on you before getting to me in soup is likely.

You’re incorrect.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:01 pm Spoiler alert: I’m not getting chopped today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:02 pm And if anyone bothers to read my iso instead of the incredibly tired “I don’t know what I’m doing so I’ll just default to suspecting Jack” strategy that literally never works, it’ll be really clear that I’m town here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:39 pm You can call me a wolf all you like but it won’t change the outcome.

You run this simulation a hundred times and I’ll never swing.

Anyone voting for me can believe me now or see for themselves later.

And you can find just as much if this shit in my finals games where I was a vanilla townie.

And again, there are multiple vote manipulating roles so even if you think this is a power claim, it doesn’t lead to the conclusion “Jack hard claimed lynch stopper.”

I mean I’ll claim if I have to but I’d rather claim after Syn blasts a wolf in a 2 wolf world because I’d really rather not get souped. I should be obvious town after yesterday.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:30 pm Jack was literally going to be chopped, claims the lynch stop role, doesn't get chopped. KZA outs as the lynch stop role.

That didn’t happen. I said if you run the scenario 100 times I’m getting yeeted 0 times.

(Because I’m an unchoppable player, dingus. It has nothing to do with my rolecard.)

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:27 pm While we're wondering why obvious claimed town didn't die, let's talk about Jack who hard claimed a role that meant he couldn't be lynched three days ago.

What is Jack's claim?

Unchoppable as a player.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:27 pm While we're wondering why obvious claimed town didn't die, let's talk about Jack who hard claimed a role that meant he couldn't be lynched three days ago.

I hard claimed that I wouldn’t be yeeted.

Plus there are like four vote manipulating roles.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:24 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:20 pm someone real quick sanity check me

there are 30 roles in the OP

there are not 30 players

based on the wolf flips, the missing roles have gotta be from the wolf side and, like, one or two towns, right?

has anyone tabulated a list of confirmed roles in game, and those that have yet to flip?

There were 4 roles removed. I severely doubt that LC would remove 3 wolves and 1 town, so there are probably either (2 wolf roles removed and 2 town roles removed) or (imo more likely) (1 wolf role removed and 3 town roles removed), meaning that there are 2-3 wolves remaining (unless by some crazy chance we hit the seemer and never figured it out, but I think this is unlikely)

I have no kept track of roles which must be here.

if this is true, my shot basically determines the game

that's good

no pressure, syn

Trust in the heart of the cards?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:26 pm Then fucks me. Maybe they just missed on someone else before they got to me.

Sure. If you claimed yesterday. You claimed D2.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:57 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:53 pm guess I should ISO LC and verify that

okay, verified, no spider-ham messages

@Esooa?

look at daisys role block night actions

Yeah, this checks out. KZA saw it, and I kind of guessed at this as well. If there is no spiderpig CC, Esooa should be clear.

Which is a problem/godsend because Esooa is far and away the scummiest player.

With Mac being a close second, potentially also mechanically confirmed (why is he alive 3 days later?).

I mean...I default to you as the only possible wolf left if we actually confirmed Esooa and Mac.

I think the obvious answer is that the mafia missed my claim.

I don't buy that for a second.

I don’t either.

The best argument I can come up with is “hopefully they ask why we didn’t soup Mac and they tinfoil and misyeet him.”

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:23 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:19 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:15 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:11 pm Mac is confirmed town because of the Scion thing.

Mac is confirmed wolf because if he was town, he’d have been souped.


In a vacuum, the first statement is much stronger than the later. I’d be interested in hearing counters to either statement before we just blast Seanzie tho.

Yup, my thoughts exactly of why he gotta be scum, if his claim is true which is supposed to clear him then why hasn't he been souped?

if his claim isn't true, who is the real Spider-Girl from 982?

this is not the time to withhold info

especially when Mayday's other ability is worth zilch

If I was gonna argue it, I’d say “nobody” and GMan was fooled by a notepass or secret role.

so you would argue that G-Man was targeted by Daemos

And just neglected to mention he could send a message of his own? and for some reason thought a player message was a host message?

I saw in G-Man's ISO that people were saying he was bad but this seems a bit of a stretch

I’m not saying I believe that’s what happened but I’ve won a mafia game doing exactly that.

Convinced a townie I had recruited them into a nonexistent cult by mimicking host style in a notepass.

The soapbox is very very likely saving Esooa from a misyeet so tbh that’s the most useful role in the game.

Lol I haven’t but that sounds like a good idea.

Orazor says Mac is just town but like...I’d probably still chop him over Epi or Guillo. I’d have to look super hard at the isos before making a final call. That’s just my gut on both scenarios.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:15 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:11 pm Mac is confirmed town because of the Scion thing.

Mac is confirmed wolf because if he was town, he’d have been souped.


In a vacuum, the first statement is much stronger than the later. I’d be interested in hearing counters to either statement before we just blast Seanzie tho.

Yup, my thoughts exactly of why he gotta be scum, if his claim is true which is supposed to clear him then why hasn't he been souped?

if his claim isn't true, who is the real Spider-Girl from 982?

this is not the time to withhold info

especially when Mayday's other ability is worth zilch

If I was gonna argue it, I’d say “nobody” and GMan was fooled by a notepass or secret role.

Mac is confirmed town because of the Scion thing.

Mac is confirmed wolf because if he was town, he’d have been souped.


In a vacuum, the first statement is much stronger than the later. I’d be interested in hearing counters to either statement before we just blast Seanzie tho.