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- Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:39 am
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Also, props to Speedchuck for going back into games he wasn't in to find curses.
- Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:37 am
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And my guess as to why Rico was after INH was hilariously wrong.
The exact opposite of having information on another player.![squee XD](./images/smilies/XD.gif)
The exact opposite of having information on another player.
![squee XD](./images/smilies/XD.gif)
- Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:34 am
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Now this I can't argue with and I can argue that all of that is my fault.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:04 pm Jack- everyone I could have meaningfully voted the day I lynched you was town. I was right to be conflicted. But your lynch turned out to be the most productive, and I couldn't lynch rico when he was overtly claiming Erika. The thing that put me over the edge on you was your vehement defence of rico... I thought you were claiming josie then backing off it when I pressed.
1) I did not re-check the roles and ensure I was not hinting (leaning on not hinting at all with these rules but it doesn't change that I needed to watch out)
2) I didn't push on Epi when he was honestly a bigger suspect to me than INH.
- Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:42 pm
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I'm a fan of safeclaims because you don't have to worry about this.Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:26 pm Plus, my personal feeling is that rolehinting in this game was quite leniently supervised, which obviously didn't work in Mafia's favor, in absence of closed setup and/or counterfeit roles to claim as. Not that circumventing the claim rule is uncommon, via subtle hints and such, still midway through the game everyone was discussing openly who they are or think others are. Easy to get the mafia stuck on their chessboard spots, this way.
I admit, that means that leads to a different dynamic at times because people can become "confirmed" rather early.
- Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:21 pm
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So adding an extra "olol" did get me killed in the end.
![doh :doh:](./images/smilies/doh.gif)
With a known mafia member agreeing with him that the extra "olol" meant I was bad.
![doh :doh:](./images/smilies/doh.gif)
@GoldenQuin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:35 pmSo Epi faked a silence then actually was silenced?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:31 pm Might as well post this:
*Secrets*
Uses a different head each night. Each power can be used only once. Hiram becomes vanilla after all powers are used.
Gold Head - lynch switch (me and Eloh)
Green Head - add +1 vote (Epi some night)
Purple Head - Can anonymously message Cecil one night. (First night)
Blue Head - Dead role check (dfaraday)
Gray Head - Silence a player (used on Epi)
BTSC: https://discord.gg/qcySGyf![]()
Told ya.
Btw, I didn't scumread you in the end. I was desperately trying to do an at the buzzer look for bad behavior from you to help the town and got cut off in the middle. Given another hour, I'd have concluded you were town. That said, I think your vote for me was a mistake. You didn't vote based off my words or actions. You voted based off the mafia's actions, giving them total control.
I guess what I'm trying to say is "Saying WIFOM on a mafia action doesn't clear players is fine because it's easy to go against the meta grain for fake cred. Saying WIFOM on a mafia action damns a player is not because you're not only battling the WIFOM, you're battling the assumption of who is in the mafia and again, it's easy to go against the meta grain." Your assumptions about the situation didn't take into account that Tony and Speed were the ones vote stealing so the meta of the Syndicate basically didn't apply.
Speaking of, amazing play on the part of Speed and Tony. Your only mistake was to steal from me twice. I was ready for it.
![Nice nod :nicenod:](./images/smilies/nicenod.gif)
@Blooper
Good game. I loooooved the flavor. Laughed a bunch at those writeups. I disagree with Epi about the fake Kevin/Cecil flip being a bust. I would have equally believed that Kevin took over Cecil's posting power when Cecil was dead and that Kevin flipped as Cecil. It's just that Eloh didn't put enough time into the game to make herself look like Cecil. That's not the setup's fault.
My one balance critique is that I think the man in the tan jacket was OP and harmful to the mafias. Unkillable, stopped Strex rolechecking, busted a politician softclaim. The only thing Tan feared was lynch. Essentially, Tan could play as a superpowered townie and if he did a bad job, he could switch alignments and remain a mostly superpowered traitor. Some tweaks to make it easier for Tan to lose and to make him truly neutral instead of very much pro-town would have been the only thing I would tweak about the setup.
Thanks for the game!
@Everyone
Man, why do we keep tying up votes? IIRC, more than half of the votes in this game and Pokemon were tied at EOD. That's such a weird meta thing. Don't we want to take control of lynches? Seems like there were lots of votes made specifically to tie things up. I get that we were hunting Marcus but still.
- Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:33 pm
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nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:10 pm Roles:
Civilians:
Ricochet - Old Woman Josie
insertnamehere - Erika
Are you kidding me?
Ugh. I basically called that but didn't do enough about it.nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:10 pm Mafia 1 - StrexCorp:
Elohcin - Kevin
Long Con - Lauren Mallard
Epignosis - Marcus Vanston
- Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:34 am
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- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:28 pm
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Sorry for the extra post. Didn't linki properly. ![Sad :(](./images/smilies/sad.gif)
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- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:25 pm
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Let it be noted that Golden gathered exactly 1 vote on Day 1 - Wilgy's.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:33 pmJack, you of all people should have absolute certainty that I am not a politician. You say you can read me, you think the most like me, yet you still won't acknowledge the truth of the fact that I would not allow my team to force you to vote for me when I was already under the pump. This probably bothers me the most about you, because I expect you should strongly believe I'm not in on a politician ploy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 pmRico's primary contribution has been "INH is bad" and INH's primary contribution has been "Wie is me. Stop trying to lynch me. Rico's secondary contribution has been the LC vote analysis. INH's secondary contribution has been to say non posters are least suspicious.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:06 pm Jack, I really want to understand - why should I buy your defences of rico? The only reason he is less likely a politician than inh and sprit is surely because he says so? It seems like the argument is 'because rico says inh and sprit are politician, this is more likely than rico being politician'. I have trouble with the logic here and I want you to explain it.
So I'm a vacuum, I trust Rico over INH. Stupid fake post restriction doesn't change that, though I think it IS an anti town strategy.
So at that point, Golden and Sprityo float the idea that Rico is the bad one and INH is good. Okay but wtf do you think INH is the good one? This looks like a politician ploy to lynch the guy who won't defend himself properly, complete with an "angry" Sprityo vote like "whoops no takebacksies." So I'm super convinced I need to be on Rico's side and I'll strong arm some people to keep a fellow townie from being lynched.
But since Eloh was a politician, it means that if INH is a politician, he has no buddies so this isn't a politician ploy. If INH is Strex, It didn't show much in the poll where LC got lynched. Plus Golden is definitely not Strex and I wanna say I have reason to believe Sprityo isn't, either. (Will double check.)
So now I'm back to Rico and INH in a vacuum. I still prefer an INH lynch but I'm not as certain Rico is the good one.
Like 60-35 instead of 80-20.
I don't agree with your characterisation of INH. He has made rainbow lists, he has expressly explained aspects of it whenever asked. He does talk a lot about why Rico's case against him is incorrect, but why wouldn't he? Rico accuses him of being responsible for the curse, epi picks it up, and neither have given an objective reason why it's more likely to be inh than anyone else, a point INH has made several times but that seems to be just ignored. To say inh's secondary contribution is 'non posters are least suspicious' is to ignore a tonne of his content, and whats more it mischaracterises what he said about low posters, which was "I can't read people for town tells, so they end up least suspicious to me by default", in essence.
The reason I floated the idea that rico is bad is - what possible evidence is there that he isn't a politician? He is hiding behind a gimmick in a way that prevents him having to explain himself. All he is doing is saying what he thinks, not why he thinks it, and it leaves us utterly unable to analyse his motives, removing the primary way in which we can judge him to be good or bad.
This argument does not hold water.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:22 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
List one.
Linki @Dom
I'm not allowed to roleclaim, mkay?
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:19 pm
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Nope. There are no other previous posts mentioning Timmer, who was bad.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:17 pm
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@Dom
I don't know. But I won't get to complain about it later if I am so I have to complain (read: call attention to) about it now.
I don't know. But I won't get to complain about it later if I am so I have to complain (read: call attention to) about it now.
Because one can reasonably expect Golden's vote to be the last vote of the day.Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:16 pmWhy notJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:15 pmThis post is literally one minute before the deadline.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:07 pm I voted jack.
A part of me immediately regrets it's not rico, but jacks sudden vehement defender of rico was baseless and out of place, and his recusal from the position feels self-defensive. Besides, tying the vote allows me to see who breaks the tie and how.
jack
There was no way to expect to be able to see who would break the tie.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:15 pm
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This post is literally one minute before the deadline.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:07 pm I voted jack.
A part of me immediately regrets it's not rico, but jacks sudden vehement defender of rico was baseless and out of place, and his recusal from the position feels self-defensive. Besides, tying the vote allows me to see who breaks the tie and how.
jack
There was no way to expect to be able to see who would break the tie.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:09 pm
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:05 pmBoomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:24 pm Howdy, everybody! Been browsing and perusing leisurely. Things that jump out:
Agreed with speedchuck's ponder. Driving discussion to the meta always seems like a cop-out for content generation.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:11 am![]()
Made, what is the purpose/meaning/point/idea/mission of this question?
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:09 pm Most inclined to vote Sprityo for self preservation lolololol or Epi for picking on someone he may view as weak.Why that many "ol" additions the first time? Possible tell that you were thinking too hard about that post, and baddies must generate content whole-cloth. Could be an indication of teamwork, again playing off meta.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:14 pm @INH lol that's me when I'm about to win as a baddie. "Throw me the idol."
Because I'm a quiet, thoughtful individual with Night Vale's best interests at heart.Seriously.
This is Boom's entire progression on me.
*cat that's also a wolf picture*
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:07 pm
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- Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:05 pm
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Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:24 pm Howdy, everybody! Been browsing and perusing leisurely. Things that jump out:
Agreed with speedchuck's ponder. Driving discussion to the meta always seems like a cop-out for content generation.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:11 am![]()
Made, what is the purpose/meaning/point/idea/mission of this question?
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:09 pm Most inclined to vote Sprityo for self preservation lolololol or Epi for picking on someone he may view as weak.Why that many "ol" additions the first time? Possible tell that you were thinking too hard about that post, and baddies must generate content whole-cloth. Could be an indication of teamwork, again playing off meta.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:14 pm @INH lol that's me when I'm about to win as a baddie. "Throw me the idol."
Because I'm a quiet, thoughtful individual with Night Vale's best interests at heart.
And this is how I was lynched.
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- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:57 pm
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At least Golden gave a reason for his vote.
Would the mafia not even try to justify?
![Ponder :ponder:](./images/smilies/ponderous.gif)
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:56 pm
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Cause that would eliminate the poli mafia.Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:52 pmwhyJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:51 pm EBWOP
And Nutella but if she was a poli, we'd know, right?
Nah. We've chatted some on Chatzy but barely played together. Maybe one game where one of us died early on.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:51 pm
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EBWOP
And Nutella but if she was a poli, we'd know, right?
And Nutella but if she was a poli, we'd know, right?
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:49 pm
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Dom, Wigly, Epi, Golden, Speed, Sprit, Tony. (Maybe INH and Eloh but probably not.)Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:33 pmWho is included in that list?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:32 pm Eloh and Timmer are people I don't know that well but I was vote stolen twice.
Third politician will have played with me a bunch.
Reasonably reduce to players I actually think might be politicians...
Epi, Sprityo. Maybe Speed. I wanna think Speed is town.
Gtth, Sprityo but let that be a starting point, not a finishing point.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:32 pm
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Eloh and Timmer are people I don't know that well but I was vote stolen twice.
Third politician will have played with me a bunch.
Third politician will have played with me a bunch.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:21 pm
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Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:26 pmYes, I missed epi because I was following INH's list. So he is now added to the list I wrote earlier: Epi, INH, timmer, and Wilgy. The reaction INH is having here to lorab is off-putting. Isn't it the point of the game to try and find the baddies, make a good case for them, and then try to get others to follow you in lynching who you think is bad? That's all I think lorab is doing here. And she is right that you are trying to steer us clear of the people I just mentioned. I really think out of the four, timmer ia probably not the curser. He's barely been here. I also don't think it's likely that epi is. I don't think he would incriminate himself like that. Wilgy...maybe. You...maybe. I can see either of you doing something like this, but wilgy's reaction to all this talk compared to your reaction screams at you being it.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:40 pmOn the flip, I think you are trying to steer us toward those people, which isn't making me feel very good about you.LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:33 pmIf you look at the lists I posted above, I already did that.
You missed Epi. To be fair, INH had missed him first, and I assume you were basing off his list.
Also, what do you think about Jack's thought that there could be 2 different players on the team who were each in one of the games?
It seems unlikely, to me, that someone following a game and not playing would know that 2 different self-imposed posts were a thing in 2 different games. I get what you're saying, but I think that it's likely that there are people on that team who were in both games. It's not just that they were both posting restrictions from old games--they were both self imposed restrictions.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:22 pm Is it really not conceivable to anyone other myself that someone who wasn't directly linked to one of those games either read the thread or was aware of the gimmicks from both games?
I mean, come on. The people insisting that it HAS to be someone who played both games are more than a little suspicious to me right now.
Think of it like this: Rico's curse on D2 attracted a crazy amount of heat for people involved with Blue Velvet. By intentionally choosing to do the same thing with Dom and Rot3k, they're essentially designing a Venn Diagram of people they want us to look at.
Odds are seeming higher and higher to me that the Faceless Old Woman was involved with one at most of these games, and researched gimmicks players used in games she wasn't in to mislead the town and cause mislynches.
There are two possible motives FOW has for cursing people with old-game-specific posting restrictions: Sheer fuckery, or to mislead the town.
I believe it to be the latter.
I think you're trying to steer us away from those people, which isn't making me feel very good about you.
I see Eloh/Timmer (note how she's taken out of the running) more likely teamed with Rico than INH at this point.
Bleh.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:12 pm
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@Golden
If I die what happens when I flip town?
You'll learn nothing today if I die except I was telling the truth about a few things.
At least a Rico flip tells us something definitive about INH.
Your vote was a poor choice. I don't think you are bad.
If I die what happens when I flip town?
You'll learn nothing today if I die except I was telling the truth about a few things.
At least a Rico flip tells us something definitive about INH.
Your vote was a poor choice. I don't think you are bad.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:07 pm
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Probably INH but I'd vote either him or Rico to save myself.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pmWho'd you have voted for?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm (Like right now, I would love to be able to vote. Like a lot.)
If I was king, I might lynch Boomslang.
I really need to go back through the role list. Find out how some know what they know.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm
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(Like right now, I would love to be able to vote. Like a lot.)
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:02 pm
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- Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:57 pm
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Yeah, basically.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:47 pm So, Jack, your explanation on the vehement opposition to the rico lynch, initially, was just that in the moment you feared a runaway lynch for bad reasons and you didn't want that to happen? But, now you are open to the idea rico could be bad, so you are backing off how vehement you were a bit?
@INH
I am super interesting and not a mean person and I have seen a couple naked women.
Stop picking on me.
![why :why:](./images/smilies/why.gif)
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:45 pm
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I've singlehandedly gotten most of the Realms to drop the silencer role by bitching about how being silenced isn't fun.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:38 pmI'm far from tunnelling. I'm working out my vote, and I'm getting you to engage with me. Don't ask me who you're teamed with as though that is convincing, for all I know it's LC and timmer, I don't find the concept persuasive. I have no way to know whether you are being honest about the silencing thing - it rings true, but its wifom.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:36 pm @Golden
I'm silencing myself when I love to heard myself talk or I'm giving my team minus two votes by burning a vote steal on myself?
Who am I teamed with? You, Quin and Speed have been the only ones taking my side for most of the game and I'm suddenly on you and Speed's shortlist.
You're tunneling. Take a step back.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:41 pm
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Yet here you are saying I'm silencing myself or stealing my own vote.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:33 pmJack, you of all people should have absolute certainty that I am not a politician. You say you can read me, you think the most like me, yet you still won't acknowledge the truth of the fact that I would not allow my team to force you to vote for me when I was already under the pump. This probably bothers me the most about you, because I expect you should strongly believe I'm not in on a politician ploy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 pmRico's primary contribution has been "INH is bad" and INH's primary contribution has been "Wie is me. Stop trying to lynch me. Rico's secondary contribution has been the LC vote analysis. INH's secondary contribution has been to say non posters are least suspicious.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:06 pm Jack, I really want to understand - why should I buy your defences of rico? The only reason he is less likely a politician than inh and sprit is surely because he says so? It seems like the argument is 'because rico says inh and sprit are politician, this is more likely than rico being politician'. I have trouble with the logic here and I want you to explain it.
So I'm a vacuum, I trust Rico over INH. Stupid fake post restriction doesn't change that, though I think it IS an anti town strategy.
So at that point, Golden and Sprityo float the idea that Rico is the bad one and INH is good. Okay but wtf do you think INH is the good one? This looks like a politician ploy to lynch the guy who won't defend himself properly, complete with an "angry" Sprityo vote like "whoops no takebacksies." So I'm super convinced I need to be on Rico's side and I'll strong arm some people to keep a fellow townie from being lynched.
But since Eloh was a politician, it means that if INH is a politician, he has no buddies so this isn't a politician ploy. If INH is Strex, It didn't show much in the poll where LC got lynched. Plus Golden is definitely not Strex and I wanna say I have reason to believe Sprityo isn't, either. (Will double check.)
So now I'm back to Rico and INH in a vacuum. I still prefer an INH lynch but I'm not as certain Rico is the good one.
Like 60-35 instead of 80-20.
I don't agree with your characterisation of INH. He has made rainbow lists, he has expressly explained aspects of it whenever asked. He does talk a lot about why Rico's case against him is incorrect, but why wouldn't he? Rico accuses him of being responsible for the curse, epi picks it up, and neither have given an objective reason why it's more likely to be inh than anyone else, a point INH has made several times but that seems to be just ignored. To say inh's secondary contribution is 'non posters are least suspicious' is to ignore a tonne of his content, and whats more it mischaracterises what he said about low posters, which was "I can't read people for town tells, so they end up least suspicious to me by default", in essence.
The reason I floated the idea that rico is bad is - what possible evidence is there that he isn't a politician? He is hiding behind a gimmick in a way that prevents him having to explain himself. All he is doing is saying what he thinks, not why he thinks it, and it leaves us utterly unable to analyse his motives, removing the primary way in which we can judge him to be good or bad.
That's crap on the INH list. His top townies were basic non participants (at the time) because they hadn't said anything suspicious yet. That's not remotely helpful.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:36 pm
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@Golden
I'm silencing myself when I love to heard myself talk or I'm giving my team minus two votes by burning a vote steal on myself?
Who am I teamed with? You, Quin and Speed have been the only ones taking my side for most of the game and I'm suddenly on you and Speed's shortlist.
You're tunneling. Take a step back.
I'm silencing myself when I love to heard myself talk or I'm giving my team minus two votes by burning a vote steal on myself?
Who am I teamed with? You, Quin and Speed have been the only ones taking my side for most of the game and I'm suddenly on you and Speed's shortlist.
You're tunneling. Take a step back.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:30 pm
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- Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:26 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
EBWOP 60-40
Math is hard.
Math is hard.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Rico's primary contribution has been "INH is bad" and INH's primary contribution has been "Wie is me. Stop trying to lynch me. Rico's secondary contribution has been the LC vote analysis. INH's secondary contribution has been to say non posters are least suspicious.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:06 pm Jack, I really want to understand - why should I buy your defences of rico? The only reason he is less likely a politician than inh and sprit is surely because he says so? It seems like the argument is 'because rico says inh and sprit are politician, this is more likely than rico being politician'. I have trouble with the logic here and I want you to explain it.
So I'm a vacuum, I trust Rico over INH. Stupid fake post restriction doesn't change that, though I think it IS an anti town strategy.
So at that point, Golden and Sprityo float the idea that Rico is the bad one and INH is good. Okay but wtf do you think INH is the good one? This looks like a politician ploy to lynch the guy who won't defend himself properly, complete with an "angry" Sprityo vote like "whoops no takebacksies." So I'm super convinced I need to be on Rico's side and I'll strong arm some people to keep a fellow townie from being lynched.
But since Eloh was a politician, it means that if INH is a politician, he has no buddies so this isn't a politician ploy. If INH is Strex, It didn't show much in the poll where LC got lynched. Plus Golden is definitely not Strex and I wanna say I have reason to believe Sprityo isn't, either. (Will double check.)
So now I'm back to Rico and INH in a vacuum. I still prefer an INH lynch but I'm not as certain Rico is the good one.
Like 60-35 instead of 80-20.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:56 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
If Eloh changes to the dragon upon further investigation in a future writeup to complete the joke, I will be very happy.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:49 pmA running thing (in the two episodes I've heard where shows up) is the dragon tries to pass off fake id or as someone else and then further investigation reveals that he is not whatever human he said he was because he is literally a eighteen feet tall 5 headed dragon.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:35 pm EBWOP
I wasn't doubting Eloh not being Cecil but rather, Eloh being a literal five headed dragon.
Cause Kevin looks similar to Cecil, has supposedly impersonated Cecil (iirc from this thread) and Eloh didn't vote for one of Kevin's teammates when he was the most obvious baddie in the poll.
But if the dragon can shapeshift, that is a fair reason to think a self forge is the dragon.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:43 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
I'm 90% certain Timmer was a politician so...Eloh/Timmer/???
Who fits best?
Definitely not Dom. Eloh off the cuff voted Dom before she died.
Who fits best?
Definitely not Dom. Eloh off the cuff voted Dom before she died.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:35 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
EBWOP
I wasn't doubting Eloh not being Cecil but rather, Eloh being a literal five headed dragon.
Cause Kevin looks similar to Cecil, has supposedly impersonated Cecil (iirc from this thread) and Eloh didn't vote for one of Kevin's teammates when he was the most obvious baddie in the poll.
But if the dragon can shapeshift, that is a fair reason to think a self forge is the dragon.
I wasn't doubting Eloh not being Cecil but rather, Eloh being a literal five headed dragon.
Cause Kevin looks similar to Cecil, has supposedly impersonated Cecil (iirc from this thread) and Eloh didn't vote for one of Kevin's teammates when he was the most obvious baddie in the poll.
But if the dragon can shapeshift, that is a fair reason to think a self forge is the dragon.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:32 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Good enough for me.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:09 pmIt's supposedly WTNV canon. The dragon can shape shift, or rather appear as someone else as per the tape.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:57 pmWhich presumably comes from a player not even caught up, with no info gathering powers.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 pmThe Day 4 tape.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 pm i just want someone to tell me where the Eloh is a dragon theory comes from.
So again, where does the theory come from?
Could make a big difference.
If the current host posts are from Cecil, being caught up or not having info gathering powers should matter little. Someone flipped as their role, no?
Thanks, Quin.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:29 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
As previously stated, he can argue that Timmer (and whoever the politicians kill) was Kevin.
But whatever. There's a decent chance Kevin really is still alive so it doesn't matter.
@Cecil
Could you confirm all broadcasts have been from you and you alone in your next message? Kthanx.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:03 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Fuck if I know. He keeps saying I'm suspicious or pairing me with others without saying why.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:59 pmWho just decided to make it up because...Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:57 pmWhich presumably comes from a player not even caught up, with no info gathering powers.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 pmThe Day 4 tape.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 pm i just want someone to tell me where the Eloh is a dragon theory comes from.
So again, where does the theory come from?
Could make a big difference.
I'm not trusting the assumption outright.
But if someone would convince me, it would be helpful.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:59 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Worth noting Eloh chose to vote Dom over LC. Epi voted INH over LC.
So Eloh's true alignment effects reads on Dom, Epi, INH.
Which is why I've asked several times for this to be explained.
So Eloh's true alignment effects reads on Dom, Epi, INH.
Which is why I've asked several times for this to be explained.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:57 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Which presumably comes from a player not even caught up, with no info gathering powers.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 pmThe Day 4 tape.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 pm i just want someone to tell me where the Eloh is a dragon theory comes from.
So again, where does the theory come from?
Could make a big difference.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
i just want someone to tell me where the Eloh is a dragon theory comes from.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:37 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Vaguely indeed.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:22 pm *A ghostly sound resonates*
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck...
*the diary flips open again, and writing can be seen*
Dammit diary,
I got busy during work again and my pet bird got really sick. I hope she survives.
I wish I had time to catch uo but I dont. I was vaguely suspicious of both JoH and Epi, and I refuse to miss a 3rd time in a row...
I'll vote JoH amd see how the cookies crumble when I can check next. Yeah I'll vote JoH.
I will be sorry if he flips civ. Oh well, that's life I guess.
Until next time diary.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:50 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Shooting the annoying in general.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:50 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Why would a literal five headed Dragon autopsy as Cecil?
Linki @ Golden
That would be a misuse of a vig shot imo.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Are you trying to lynch mafia or people annoying you?sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:08 pm
I will not stand for this behavior any longer, my last nerve has been bothered. You want to put my out of context? FINE. Either do the right thing or die a fool.
But I'm sure you'd choose the latter
Vote Ricochet
I hope you enjoyed yourself
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:45 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Hell if I know. I want him to post normally.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:58 pmAll of your logic is shit. So tell me, since you're so vehement...Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:54 pm Let it be known that I will strongly oppose a Rico lynch.
I would lynch either INH or Sprityo over Rico because I am trying to catch politicians. I would lynch Epi over Rico because I am trying to catch Strexes. I would lynch Slam or Quin over Rico because you can't argue Rico is being unhelpful next to them.
Why won't rico start playing the game properly? And yes, I'm asking you to answer for rico. And no messing around, this is important.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:28 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Rico's one post regarding LC vote analysis is more useful than anything Wuin has said so far.
I mean Quin replaced in so it's not his fault he has little content but let's not pretend he's produced more than Rico.
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:56 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Golden or Sprityo voting Rico will cause me to scumread them.
I already scumread INH so his vote is fine
I already scumread INH so his vote is fine
- Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:54 pm
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Re: Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [DAY 4]
Let it be known that I will strongly oppose a Rico lynch.
I would lynch either INH or Sprityo over Rico because I am trying to catch politicians. I would lynch Epi over Rico because I am trying to catch Strexes. I would lynch Slam or Quin over Rico because you can't argue Rico is being unhelpful next to them.
I would lynch either INH or Sprityo over Rico because I am trying to catch politicians. I would lynch Epi over Rico because I am trying to catch Strexes. I would lynch Slam or Quin over Rico because you can't argue Rico is being unhelpful next to them.