The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:31 pm Kill submitted, fingers crossed.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:26 pm Just vote Jack with me my guy

I have a vig shot to use and won't be back before EOD, so I need to vote and shoot now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:01 pm I agree with dunia that I think Jack looks like he's trying to pocket dya this game.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

Dya, what are your reads atm?

v
jack
SS/Shending
wilgy

lean v
wisdom
seanzie

null
dunya

Lean w
sabi
falcon

mechanical claims:
falcon maybe
sabi
marmot

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 pm Is Falcon always this.... MIA? Never played with them before

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:43 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:39 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:34 pm also dunya, why is your vote still on Alison?

i'm still isoing people

dya has three votes and i do not plan to pile on till i feel comfy to be there

falcon hasn't come in and talked, but i feel comfy to be there

somehow i loved it when seanzie took a shot at jack so i need to iso jack, but it felt like, ooooh i like this shot more than i like a shot at dya after i concluded jack may be pocketing them >.>

Jack is still in my PoE, but I kinda like how he seemingly naturally got to basically my exact PoE. He's clearing me/marmot/wisdom/wigly/Cape and has Sean/Sabi as his next towntier. That's basically my exact reads apart from swapping Sean/Wigly places.

But yeah, Dya i haven't felt any kind of process from

I think killing falcon before Dya is acceptable though

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@Jackofhearts2005
@falcon45ca
@Spacedaisy

there's like 15 min left if you wanna shoot your ITA shot

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:13 pm i can see a distant world where jack/dya are w/w and jack is doing his best to dig a teammate from being fos'd again after losing 2 teammates back to back.

i can.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:59 am @Shending_Help When you played with Cape and he was scum, how did he deal with pressure on him?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:04 pm I'm getting scum Jack vibes.

This is entirely from like, the last page and a half though.

Reminds me of that time me Hazelnut and Jack were all on a team. He killed me in cold blood, then posted in a way that feels similar to current.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:36 am TOWN
Dunya
NAA

TOWN?
Marmot?
Cape?
Dya?

WOLF?

WOLF
Alison
Hollowkatt

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:34 pm I feel like I mostly have townreads and nullreads and Dunya is one of my null reads but I also don't want to be the one to push her for raisens, especially when I don't actually have a case.

Atp, remaining wolves probably in Dunya/Daisy/Dya/Falcon. Maaaaybe (#salad) Sabi/Seanzie.

But I haven't actually seen suspicious things from those players, just a lack of reasons to clear them like I'm clearing Cape/Shending/Marmot/Wilgy/Wisdom.

lol stop this every game

push me, don't give me that "we had a bad moment 7 months ago so now i can't play mafia with her"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:34 pm I feel like I mostly have townreads and nullreads and Dunya is one of my null reads but I also don't want to be the one to push her for raisens, especially when I don't actually have a case.

Atp, remaining wolves probably in Dunya/Daisy/Dya/Falcon. Maaaaybe (#salad) Sabi/Seanzie.

But I haven't actually seen suspicious things from those players, just a lack of reasons to clear them like I'm clearing Cape/Shending/Marmot/Wilgy/Wisdom.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:32 pm when have i derp cleared myself by pretending not to know game things @Jackofhearts2005 ? saying it's within my wolfrange, i'm curious.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:06 am Marmot's entrance is pretty townie.

What was townie about my entrance?

Same question to shendog and whoever else said that.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:12 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:00 pm From a non Wolf Captain PoV I still think Alison is wolfing. Probably HK as well. And NAX is likely town.

I think Alison's reads is forced and being reads for the sake of having reads.

HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.

And I trust NAX to be town for the time being. Not locked, but for now.

why would town HK call you a wolf and go to bed? You are the same Wisdom that always makes a point to comment "you're reading me wrong again" when I wolf read you, right?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:29 pm This is a draft game? Lime Coke drafted mafia team...

Well, I'm confirmed town.

1) Lime Coke hates me and would never subject himself to being in a chat with me
2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town

Gym class is easy. I won't post again today, but I'll vote someone later. If I ever die during the day this game, I take no responsibility for it because you should all know better, and those who don't should inform themselves. It's not just like "Lime Coke slightly dislikes this guy"... It's bad.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am [VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am [VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

Yeah, I can get behind this. [VOTE: HallowKatt] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:33 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:20 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:10 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:49 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm I'd say I'm fashionably late but by the looks of things I'm still early

This game is slow so far

Whenever the mafia is ready to awaken and play the game, that would be a good time to play fr

Well, unless you yourself are just mafia

[VOTE: Cape90] aubergine

Serious vote.

okay I just wanted an excuse to use these emotes tbh lol

I didn't vote you because of the emotes.

Why did you think that was the reason for the vote?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:17 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:55 pm I can't tell if Dunya not knowing Alison was ita'd is out of touch town or a wolf trying to fake a town slip. Anyone familar with them, which one is more plausible?

It's not outside her wolf range fwiw.

@Jackofhearts2005 how do you feel about this then. What is your read?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:55 pm I can't tell if Dunya not knowing Alison was ita'd is out of touch town or a wolf trying to fake a town slip. Anyone familar with them, which one is more plausible?

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:35 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:34 am So Axe V lean, me V lean, wisdom W lean

Is that all you have so far dya?

No thoughts at all bout Sabi / HK / Sean / Alison?

I'm not the best reader of sabi so holding off there for now. HK i usually get better at reading as time goes on. Same with alison

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:17 pm i dont want to vote seanzie, dunya, alison, SS or NAA today. who does that leave?

Why didn't you add HK to the people you didn't wanna vote, if he's in the same bucket as Alison as a person you think you're better at reading as the game goes on?

What differentiated those 2 people in your mind when you made this list of "i dont wanna vote"?

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:26 am Dya: I can read Jack well
Me: Strong conflicted feelings

I've done it before and I'll do it again. I was one of the only people defending you in champs finale that year and that's the meta I'm using

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:49 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:42 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:16 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:01 am Then i find it quite concerning you have wisdom as concerning tbh

They should be the most clear person in the game from interactions with Alison/HK almost never being w/w ontop of shooting Alison when there were a lot of shots that would've been more consensus at the time. And Wisdom's general tone/solving/WIM is also one of the highest in the game. But even ignoring that last point, I feel your focus this game has been kind of off

I also have troubles with your post yesterday basically saying "Both HK and Alison I wanna leave alive til later before i try reading them, since they get easier to read over time".

you don't think it's weird she's attributing shit to me that I've never said? Like I didnt even have a read on marmot and my read on alison was I do better reading her later

You can't understand why that's concerning fmpov?

I think it's concerning that your view doesn't give off a holistic feeling.

Like, if person A has done a ton of things that should make them very town, and then that person does something that I find rand wolf, maybe I would call it out and question it and try to figure out if I could've been wrong there. But I wouldn't straight up call that person concerning without having the earlier things in mind.

It's different if a person I'm null on would say something that's rand wolf, THEN I might call that person straight up concerning.

It's different in my mind to call a *thing* as off, and what you did, "wisdom is really conerning me". That implies that person is higher on your suspect list and you want others to put focus there.

Which leads me to believe you're not trying to find a towncore but just looking for things to push on (preferably breaking up the current consensus towncore if it's correct), which is how wolves like to do things

I kinda feel the opposite.

In that there’s not very much wolf agenda to push Wisdom, who is never getting misyeeted itg. And if Dya really said those things and Wisdom is correct? What good is claiming misattribution going to do?

Contrast town Dya, who is giving those statements because they’re just true from their pov.

We were never in the world where Dya actually said those things and still claiming misattribution. I was never implying that and you missed my point if that's what you thought i was saying.

I'm saying V!dya would have a reason to go "oh this is weird but Wisdom is prolly still town for shooting Alison and not being w/w with HK" while W!dya would have a reason to ignore those things and see if they could make others tinfoil a bit on wisdom just in case that misyeet is needed further down the line

It's possible what Dya is saying is from a town!POV. That they really think it's NAI to push/shoot Alison because Alison would be a bussable slot for draft reasons. And that Dya thinks that the HK interactions aren't useful because of some reason I haven't seen Dya adress yet. And that Dya is ignoring Wisdom on principle because they are more confident in reading other people.

But I think the world where Dya is wolfing makes so much more sense

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:16 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:01 am Then i find it quite concerning you have wisdom as concerning tbh

They should be the most clear person in the game from interactions with Alison/HK almost never being w/w ontop of shooting Alison when there were a lot of shots that would've been more consensus at the time. And Wisdom's general tone/solving/WIM is also one of the highest in the game. But even ignoring that last point, I feel your focus this game has been kind of off

I also have troubles with your post yesterday basically saying "Both HK and Alison I wanna leave alive til later before i try reading them, since they get easier to read over time".

you don't think it's weird she's attributing shit to me that I've never said? Like I didnt even have a read on marmot and my read on alison was I do better reading her later

You can't understand why that's concerning fmpov?

I think it's concerning that your view doesn't give off a holistic feeling.

Like, if person A has done a ton of things that should make them very town, and then that person does something that I find rand wolf, maybe I would call it out and question it and try to figure out if I could've been wrong there. But I wouldn't straight up call that person concerning without having the earlier things in mind.

It's different if a person I'm null on would say something that's rand wolf, THEN I might call that person straight up concerning.

It's different in my mind to call a *thing* as off, and what you did, "wisdom is really conerning me". That implies that person is higher on your suspect list and you want others to put focus there.

Which leads me to believe you're not trying to find a towncore but just looking for things to push on (preferably breaking up the current consensus towncore if it's correct), which is how wolves like to do things

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 am

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:01 am Then i find it quite concerning you have wisdom as concerning tbh

They should be the most clear person in the game from interactions with Alison/HK almost never being w/w ontop of shooting Alison when there were a lot of shots that would've been more consensus at the time. And Wisdom's general tone/solving/WIM is also one of the highest in the game. But even ignoring that last point, I feel your focus this game has been kind of off

I also have troubles with your post yesterday basically saying "Both HK and Alison I wanna leave alive til later before i try reading them, since they get easier to read over time".

you don't think it's weird she's attributing shit to me that I've never said? Like I didnt even have a read on marmot and my read on alison was I do better reading her later

You can't understand why that's concerning fmpov?

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:25 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:15 am Wisdom: Probably 4 wolves left
Me: There’s no fucking way.
Me: Checks draft order. 8 wolf picks. psyduck.jpg
Me: Absolute inability to fully read a setup

Do appreciate the readlist. Dya sounds super wolfy from that tbh. Marmot also out of place in the readlist but w/e.

you do realize several things she said I did I never did, right?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 am This is DrWilgy's vote from early Day 1.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am [VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.

And given hk's posts to that point:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm I'd say I'm fashionably late but by the looks of things I'm still early

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:16 pm so goodby for days

I think it's a bussable vote. I wouldn't put it past Wilgy to vote a teammate early on like this.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:39 am @Wisdom I think Wilgy is more likely to have himself bussed over bussing another teammate.

I also am trying to think of a world where mafia hellbussed hk, and given that he was a PR, it doesn't seem like an optimal solution. If there are 5-6 mafia, they had plenty of voting power. But maybe the mafia team is just low WIM, and that WIM dropped even lower after that Alison shot.

I realize now I had read the ITA rules incorrectly. I thought we each got a shot in each window, but the reality is that we only get one shot total, so there was no rush to use it.


The reason I was proposing a list and pushing that discussion forward was twofold

1) If there were a 6 wolves, then utilizing all of our KP to eliminate them is important to lower the mafia/town ratio quickly and finding a consensus for who to ITA would be helpful.
2) I have a single Day 2 vig shot, and plan on using it after the second ITA window closes.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:15 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:38 pm What is an ITA?

In Thread Attack.
During the ITA window you have a chance to attack someone, with a 10% chance of hitting. Everyone has one shot each today.

(Actually I might be willing to derp clear for this)