The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:59 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:58 pm Jack, who should go next if you flip town?

Doom.

Why?

She keeps voting me for no reason and isn’t townie

Shielding Chihiro tomorrow from the grace if I’m yeeted

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:58 pm Jack, who should go next if you flip town?

Doom.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:54 pm Mac, is there a chance Chihiro is mafia without me in your opinion?

Only if Lucy is mafia who claimed 3p.

Then we are never voting Chihiro together.

hello? if im in ur poe u should have no problem voting me off, wtf?

Do something besides argue that me wanting to vote you and not wanting to vote you is wolfy lol

Doom or Dunya or Lucy over Chihiro.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:54 pm Mac, is there a chance Chihiro is mafia without me in your opinion?

Only if Lucy is mafia who claimed 3p.

Then we are never voting Chihiro together.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:55 pm I am voting CRichard for the vig benefit. I am prob vigging one of the wagons.

Creature please no. I spent all day pushing CR. I was wrong. I know you were voting me before and I’m saying this knowing it may cause you to vote me again.

CR/Mac is town. Do something helpful with your vote.

Mac, is there a chance Chihiro is mafia without me in your opinion?

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:51 pm I don’t like Jacks (Chichuro?) argument that Lucy is only going with Jack for selfish reasons.

I think that’s incorrect based off how she claimed and when she started saying she’d be pro town

But it’s true. It’s her wincon to yeet me regardless of my alignment and she refuses to case me.

She can SAY she’s townsiding but look what she’s actually doing. Is she hunting at all? No.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:50 pm I think the voters on Jack are scummy, but I joined the wagon

Fucking why? At least Mac has a stupid reason for scumreading me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:49 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:47 pm And everyone defending you also seems to have no actual desire to kill any mafia from what I can see.

Sorry if you're town but you'd see it the same way I am from my vantage point. It doesn't make any sense to me.

does this not raise any red flags for you???

I am not the one trying to eliminate Lucy.

I think eliminating Lucy is dumb.

Then vote back in my poe instead of voting for me ffs

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:45 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:37 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Why? You’re gonna force me to preserve onto Lucy. Stop playing around my slot and help yeet a wolf.

Okay wolf.

I voted WITH you on Chihiro. Who is one of your three POE and then you flipped onto Dunya who was someone you townread and defended earlier today.

Get in the bin.

wait, i over looked this. Did they change votes/reads after u voted me?

Practically at the same time. Mostly because you keep defending me.

and? im in ur poe lolol, where does this logic from come.

Am i or am i not in ur poe?

You are but you only had 2 votes on you at the time and Dunya had 3 or 4. But then Mac moved to you at the same time so then Dunya wasn’t viable either.

I thought it was funny. I laughed about it.

Mac took it to mean we were partners and removed both you and Dunya from contention.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:37 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Why? You’re gonna force me to preserve onto Lucy. Stop playing around my slot and help yeet a wolf.

Okay wolf.

I voted WITH you on Chihiro. Who is one of your three POE and then you flipped onto Dunya who was someone you townread and defended earlier today.

Get in the bin.

wait, i over looked this. Did they change votes/reads after u voted me?

Practically at the same time. Mostly because you keep defending me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:42 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:40 pm How does it make any sense to mislynch a town when we could lynch a scumleaning independent??

How is Lucy scumleaning? She's solved well and her reads align with mine more than anyone's.

She doesn’t even think I’m a wolf. She refused to case me. She’s only voting me because she assumed other players would so she choose me as the elimination. She defended CR not because she townreads CR bit because CR was pushing me.

“Solved well.” Broseph, she ain’t solving at all.

Voting Lucy. Not particularly happy about it because she never practically never flips wolf but I turned my read on Mac around, Chihiro is pocketing me and both Mac and Sig say no on Wilgy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:40 pm Mac is voting Dunya.
Jack reads Dunya town and defends her.
Mac pushes Chihiro and Jack.
Chihiro hard defends Jack.
Jack drops a scumread on Chihiro.
They vaguely interact over this compelling engagement but both seem more intent to persuade me than actually resolve each other.
Jack votes Chihiro.
Mac moves from Dunya to Chihiro.
Oh um actually Jack scumreads Dunya.

I'm not moving my vote off Jack today.

You’re so fucking frustrating sometimes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:37 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Why? You’re gonna force me to preserve onto Lucy. Stop playing around my slot and help yeet a wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:31 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:25 pm Also have no idea why Wigly doesn't have more votes when they havent done anything that makes me or should make anyone believe that slot ever flips town.

People just tossing Wilgy's name out like this makes me want to take him off the table entirely. Prosecute his actual content and engage with him if you think he's mafia. Don't just tout him as a candidate with a vague suspicion.

You're arguing with me right now that my push is bad and my town solving is illogical and the best you can produce is this?

U ever think its becausea wigly hasnt done anything to be worthy of town, compared to jack who has been fighting with this thread to clear himself just to be told he has to die cause hes counterwagon.

Wilgy has done a fair amount of solving. I don't think you've actually read his content tbh.

Jack fighting with the thread to clear himself = town is not a good read. Wolves don't like being eliminated Chad. Maybe a site thing.

Talk to me about Wilgy solving. The only thing I remember is him trying to reaction test me by voting iirc Lucy and him telling us we were all beautiful and he loves us.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:34 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:34 pm Like MAC jack is being voted by 3rd party and rondo, the only town person on that train is freaking creature

[VOTE: Chihiro] aubergine

Lol I love mafia.

I voted Dunya cause idk cold feet on why is Chihiro defending me. I get how it could look bad but whatever

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:21 pm I no longer want to yeet Mac. Partly because of Mac posts. Partly because Lucy 3P not wolf. Partly because CR just looks along.

I wanna yeet in Chihiro, Wilgy. Maaaaaybe Dunya. Lucy if I can’t find other consensus but I don’t think it’ll come to that. Not really certain on any of these. Just outside of my townreads.

also there is no waay there is only 3 mafia and 1 third party.

There’s also Rondo and JDawn and I could have been pocketed.

Fact remains, I have a poe and I don’t feel strongly about who in that poe goes and anyone in that poe should work to get out of it or at least skate today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:21 pm I no longer want to yeet Mac. Partly because of Mac posts. Partly because Lucy 3P not wolf. Partly because CR just looks along.

I wanna yeet in Chihiro, Wilgy. Maaaaaybe Dunya. Lucy if I can’t find other consensus but I don’t think it’ll come to that. Not really certain on any of these. Just outside of my townreads.

Explain why you want to yeet in those first three? And why Dunya is salad dressing.

And also why Dunya is now present at all when you were hard defending her posts as townie earlier?

Because these players are town: Jack, Sig, Dennis, Kate, Falcon, HK, Neon, Creature, Mac.

And Lucy is 3P.

Thats a lot of confident townreads. Seems out of character for you.

Have you missed my last twenty town games?

Having almost all townreads, a super confident wrong scumread EOD1 and several people who won’t get off my ass about anything is practically the townJack recurring nightmare.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:22 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:26 pm

Why does 3P care about this so much?

Ppl should iso Lucy’s D2. She’s insanely invested in the idea that CR is town as a claimed role that shouldn’t really give a damn.

Also coming in with the “resolve the cw” strategy and vague “Jack’s posts yesterday were bad” x alot

Idk if it’s correct but it’s super easy to read Lucy as a wolf either with CR or perhaps more likely, one that is trying to sheep his bad momentum and look good if we misyeet CR.

Resolving the cw is good.

Your posts are bad.

You can hand wave it away if you like but it's true.

Posts being bad have no relation to someones alignment. I am town and people think my posts are bad

Jack train has stagnated as 4-5 people 2 of those are from 1 person, who honestly doesn't give a damn what jack flips aslong as jack is the flip. Jack has already been setup to be a mis elimination because of lucy, who has yet to actually give any real reason as to why jack will flip scum.

When I say bad I mean wolfy.

Stagnated wagon defenses don't fly when said wagon stagnation is actually a wagon that won't grow.

The mafia literally are allergic to his wagon.

If Jack was set up as a miselim, he'd have votes.

You're his partner.

So let’s yeet Chihiro and you can argue that tomorrow.

Love trying to help convince people ur town just for u to be like, yep lets vote chihiro. I whole heartedly believe ur town, but I will not allow myself to go down here based on that view when I know i';m town.

Then do something to take yourself out of the poe. Do something so we know you aren’t just a wolf treading water.

It’s literally like “most of these players are wolves unless I’m dumb so whatever.”

Dunya is the maybe salad maker specifically because I thought some of her D1 was good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:21 pm I no longer want to yeet Mac. Partly because of Mac posts. Partly because Lucy 3P not wolf. Partly because CR just looks along.

I wanna yeet in Chihiro, Wilgy. Maaaaaybe Dunya. Lucy if I can’t find other consensus but I don’t think it’ll come to that. Not really certain on any of these. Just outside of my townreads.

Explain why you want to yeet in those first three? And why Dunya is salad dressing.

And also why Dunya is now present at all when you were hard defending her posts as townie earlier?

Because these players are town: Jack, Sig, Dennis, Kate, Falcon, HK, Neon, Creature, Mac.

And Lucy is 3P.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:22 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:26 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:06 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:04 pm BTW I'm the vigilante who tried to kill Jack last night.

signal boosting cr obvious town

Why does 3P care about this so much?

Ppl should iso Lucy’s D2. She’s insanely invested in the idea that CR is town as a claimed role that shouldn’t really give a damn.

Also coming in with the “resolve the cw” strategy and vague “Jack’s posts yesterday were bad” x alot

Idk if it’s correct but it’s super easy to read Lucy as a wolf either with CR or perhaps more likely, one that is trying to sheep his bad momentum and look good if we misyeet CR.

Resolving the cw is good.

Your posts are bad.

You can hand wave it away if you like but it's true.

Posts being bad have no relation to someones alignment. I am town and people think my posts are bad

Jack train has stagnated as 4-5 people 2 of those are from 1 person, who honestly doesn't give a damn what jack flips aslong as jack is the flip. Jack has already been setup to be a mis elimination because of lucy, who has yet to actually give any real reason as to why jack will flip scum.

When I say bad I mean wolfy.

Stagnated wagon defenses don't fly when said wagon stagnation is actually a wagon that won't grow.

The mafia literally are allergic to his wagon.

If Jack was set up as a miselim, he'd have votes.

You're his partner.

So let’s yeet Chihiro and you can argue that tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:35 pm My gosh this game is actually kind of easy to read. Let's stop talking about Lucy.

Rondo is obviously not town. Creature is naked town. Sig and HK are town. Neon is town. More to come.

Like except Rondo being a maybe for me (Roxy, right?) I agree with all of this.

I retracted the Rondo read.

Except our own slots, our reads are like identical.

My scumreads are not. My POE is Chad, Doom, Dunya and you.

I don’t think Doom is bad for stupid reasons but the rest of that is cromulent.

Alone*

I no longer want to yeet Mac. Partly because of Mac posts. Partly because Lucy 3P not wolf. Partly because CR just looks along.

I wanna yeet in Chihiro, Wilgy. Maaaaaybe Dunya. Lucy if I can’t find other consensus but I don’t think it’ll come to that. Not really certain on any of these. Just outside of my townreads.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:18 pm Today feels more like a bad day 1.

The vc is spread far too much.

Jack needs to be resolved.

The 3p having 4 votes here is like fine but it feels like a good outcome for mafia because Lucy's reads have been good.

Most other slots haven't even really been pushed. Lots of coasting going on. No likey.

I literally can’t be resolved today. You know how this works.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:35 pm My gosh this game is actually kind of easy to read. Let's stop talking about Lucy.

Rondo is obviously not town. Creature is naked town. Sig and HK are town. Neon is town. More to come.

Like except Rondo being a maybe for me (Roxy, right?) I agree with all of this.

I retracted the Rondo read.

Except our own slots, our reads are like identical.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:36 pm

Chihiro wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:50 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:48 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Kinda expected better from Seanzie tbh

Also creature lol, its been like 40 mins? What kind of expectation from Seanzie do u have that, in 40 mins you u think the slot isnt playing with towns best interest in mind

This feels like tmi

Mmm. There’s the second Seanzie shield I guess I missed. Not that it matters cause Seanzie was town but closing loops and all that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:35 pm My gosh this game is actually kind of easy to read. Let's stop talking about Lucy.

Rondo is obviously not town. Creature is naked town. Sig and HK are town. Neon is town. More to come.

Like except Rondo being a maybe for me (Roxy, right?) I agree with all of this.

I could be convinced Mac isn’t a wolf tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 pm Ya know if you ISO CR and do a word search for "Jack", you'll get 20 matches...and almost none of them have anything to do at all with actually reading Jack or engaging with him

This post is ungood.

You mean “inconvenient” lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:26 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:06 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:04 pm BTW I'm the vigilante who tried to kill Jack last night.

signal boosting cr obvious town

Why does 3P care about this so much?

Ppl should iso Lucy’s D2. She’s insanely invested in the idea that CR is town as a claimed role that shouldn’t really give a damn.

Also coming in with the “resolve the cw” strategy and vague “Jack’s posts yesterday were bad” x alot

Idk if it’s correct but it’s super easy to read Lucy as a wolf either with CR or perhaps more likely, one that is trying to sheep his bad momentum and look good if we misyeet CR.

Resolving the cw is good.

Your posts are bad.

You can hand wave it away if you like but it's true.

I already had CR and Lucy giving the naked “Jack’s posts are bad” refrain.

Lucy is doing it because she’s 3P and is motivated to get me yeeted but doesn’t actually believe I’m scummy, which is why she refuses to case me.

CR was laughed out of this game for that take.

You want me to evaluate you instead of CR? Try singing a new song, furball.

This isn’t anyone’s fault but I am annoyed there have been three replacements today and we still have a zero poster.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:37 pm CRichard
1
5%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega

dunya
4
18%
Voters: sig, Dennis, hollowkatt, MacDougall

Jackofhearts2005
4
18%
Voters: Scrappy Doo, lucy, Creature, RondoDimBuckle

JDizz10
1
5%
Voters: falcon45ca

lucy
4
18%
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, JDizz10

Neon
1
5%
Voters: Chihiro

So... Let's actually try to get into this game somewhat. That would likely be fore the best.

Someone describe for me the lead arguments for Dunya and Jack please? Assuming either flips town, are these wagons pure?

I found Dunya's iso contained too much outcome versus actual engagement and solve. She arrived at a lot of conclusions that I felt were insincere and her solving process was missing.

Jack is the d1 counterwagon to a town. His d1 voters were town. His tone is very scummy.

Bullshit. My tone is shiny town.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:45 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:42 pm I like Dunya and Lucy a lot

I'm sorry Jack

We have an hour and 15 and Lucy always goes instead of me.

@falcon45ca @Kate @Neon its time to vote off the CR slot.

None of these people are on CR

As in they should be. Like plz vote CR off the island and out of the game. Not asking them to take votes off CR.

The ideal yeet today is CR or maybe Chihiro. Those are the consensus suspects upon town players. Three total votes there and three alternative four vote wagons makes no sense.

@Chihiro

Do something. Neon is always town. You’re firmly in the poe and have stated you don’t like the wagons. Do something or I’ll be forced to believe you’re a stuck wolf.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:42 pm I like Dunya and Lucy a lot

I'm sorry Jack

We have an hour and 15 and Lucy always goes instead of me.

@falcon45ca @Kate @Neon its time to vote off the CR slot.

Can you imagine betting your wincon on voting me out?

It’s actually super problematic to have a neutral double voter in a game this small.

I think Scrappy doesn’t have a vote and does leave the game if Lucy dies.

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:48 am

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:44 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:40 am okay i'm bored, i'm scrappy doo

Yup thought so and that’s why I cooled off on my third party vote/hunting . Buuuuut I’m a bit salty your sock voted for me

Also are you really third party and if so what are the win cons.

if i predict 3 deaths i win

this is important because i can lead town into wolf chops and my solving helps town and my win con

Lol nevermind. Lucy doesn’t necessarily even think I’m a wolf or CR is town. She had to call a death so she called the D1 CW as the D2 yeet. Now she’s motivated to push the idea that I’m a wolf and players pushing on me are town.

Her play matches her stated wincon. She’s just not actually townsiding (or intentionally wolfsiding).

Lucy isn’t wolves with CR or otherwise and as problematic as it is to have what is essentially a double voter whose wincon on a given day may involve yeeting a townie, I can play around that.

[VOTE: Mac/CR] aubergine

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:44 am you guys shouldn't lynch me uwu

but there's one in creature/dunya

however we should always go jack here, resolving the wagons is epic, and town cr vigged jack and jack lived which is weird

we had TWO protective roles die, so it doesn't really make sense for jack to have been protected by town

it especially doesn't make sense when most people have suspected him and he hasn't been particularly towny -> town doc wouldn't have been on him

Mmm.

Or CRich is just lying. Or he got blocked. Or I got jailed.

If Mac/Richard is mafia, isn’t Lucy almost always mafia?

Like…CR probably my biggest suspect but if I’m right, a Lucy yeet is just as good and if I’m wrong, a Lucy yeet is way better.

What are the chances 3P Lucy goes out of her way to defend wolf CR?

Ffs I’m not getting voted by five players and only one player expressing actual reason to suspect me (Creature) and it’s just “I expect Jack to be better of town.”

Meanwhile, there are ppl suspecting CR/Mac and Chihiro and those are potential wolves fmpov (CR moreso) but the total votes for that slot is just Falcon.

I feel like the general gamestate is good but the wagons don’t reflect that. At this point, we end up shrug yeeting Dunya and hoping HK’s right or we end up shrug yeeting Lucy and hope she’s a wolf instead of 3P.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:28 pm Who is Chad?

read the AKA

huh

It doesn’t show on mobile…

Who is Chad?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:35 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:06 pm @Creature vote Mac

If you dont vote this slot Im vigging you

Did you CC CR’s vig claim?