The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:58 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:47 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:45 am Tbh I am feeling no town wim. Completely forgot about this game too lol.

Tbf, we essentially outted two wolfs in the same day but the wolves don’t have tmi. It’s hard to wim at forgone conclusions.

Yeah, I felt good with a mafia flip since I love interaction analysis and looking at spew but it's not as straightforward as I wanted it to be. I'm less confident pyxxy actually knew John Doe and if he did there's nothing I found that points to a specific John Doe. I feel a bit burnt out now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:04 am Tutuu died 38 minutes after the day ended. That's not an end of day resolution that's a during night resolution.

I received my gift 17 minutes after day ended.

I think that Tutuu blew up cuz she opened a gift.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:45 am Tbh I am feeling no town wim. Completely forgot about this game too lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:05 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:55 pm [VOTE: Vote Dennis] aubergine

Nervous about numbers given everything but hey, 1 yesterday, 1 today, 1 last night. We're doing okay.

I am hoping for a lot more from you after I seen what you can actually do as town, I want it again.

Hot take: Roxy is really Lust.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:26 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:13 amBrutal

Honestly, Michelle feels like she's fallen off

You'll say the same if Nook flips mafia?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:13 pm Cause I tend to think “no btsc” = “doesn’t know his teammates” but I could be totally wrong

Is that how it usually is here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:12 pm So far none of the three confirmed sins played with much self preservation.

Kate tried to powerwolf but as soon as it fell apart she just went belly up and ate the chop.

Dennis went belly up and literally is not even posting so he's not worried about dying and seems to want to be today's chop.

Pyxxy gave a very meh level effort to appear town.

I am not of the view that the sins consider themselves necessary to achieve the mafia wincon.

Which makes it quite likely that the other players who are just making a very limp effort to play this game are >rand sin. Namely the likes of Wilgy, Epi, Falcon, Dubz, Matahari... frankly a LOT of slots. I want to exclude SVS and Nanook from this list but I can't really cuz they're both kinda phoning it in as well.

If there are town playing like that it is kind of unhelpful. We need townies to separate themselves more.

I guess this is a longwinded way of saying I think that the sins are just sort of along for the ride and if there is a wolf that's really going hard to be deep it's probably only John Doe?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:58 pm Let's talk about how we can actually win this game.

Whether it's recruit or roleswap, we obviously can't win this game as a town while John Doe is alive.

Whether it's my theory and John Doe rotates, or whether John Doe recruits, we have to kill John Doe.

So far we have seen town die in the night twice, and the day once. There is a lot of anti town KP here.

At the speed we are losing town, chopping sins is not going to win us this game. However, of course, the sins have negative PR and probably need to die because if they become mafia they count towards parity, so leaving them alive is also not optimal. But the trick to games like this is to think outside the box. Scotty has designed a mystery thriller. We have to solve the setup. That's what he wants us to do.

If we flip Dennis here, and he's just a sin and flips sin which seems likely, we are likely to then lose another town and be back where we are tomorrow with another town and maybe two town dead.

We need to try to kill John Doe because either that literally will end the game, or it stops the mafia from multiplying. We have to find John Doe, that means we have to figure out what the fuck John Doe is and for that we need townies to share information with each other.

I still think we should chop Dennis today since he's outed evil who could use a power tonight, but we should focus on finding John Doe. Tbh a good place to start would be trying to find someone who knew pyxxy's alignment d2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:49 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:36 pm Roxy here's the 411.

I am going to literally, literally, just tank my entire solve and towncore right now and start again with you as my towncore buddy. Let's rebuild from the ground up.

what? not one of your little buddies? I am a low poster no one pays attention to my posts lol

My towncore before contained

Seanzie - dead person who was tunneling me

Rondo - i hate the way he's posted ever since

Jack - i hate the way he's posted ever since

Thunal - I still kind of want to treat her as towncore just because she's got wim, isn't being toxic and I feel like she is helping not hindering me, but you are sus of her

SVS - My tinfoil flipped to sussing her, but I still think she might just be town for derpclear reasons

Nanook - He doesn't feel like he has an agenda

You are here, actively solving and towny. Having a go. I actively had you POE and iso analysed everyone in the POE and you were the member of that POE who looked towniest so I want to work with you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:24 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:01 pm oh seanzie pretty much made it blatantly obvious he was checking me

if he was a desperado then I'm obviously the check so

And you keep doing stuff like this, making dubious claims to mechanical cred.

Seanzie was obviously not a day desperado or else 1) he’d have said so and 2) he’d have killed during the day previously.

So it just comes across as you trying to lie your way clear.

he was cleared for me when Kate was outed, maybe reread that whole thing to clarify for yourself. Seanzie did the legwork but Mac observed. He didn't need to out his tracking but he did to the benefit of the town.

I’ll check it again but at the time, it felt like Mac unnecessarily piling on for cred.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:44 pm I tracked Kate to Dennis n1. I'm an odd night tracker.

Okay, I thought so.

I am 100% sure Kate is Lust and 95% sure Dennis is Greed. The Kate thing is mech, the dennis thing is based off something Kate told me in a btsc I have with her. In particular, Kate told me she targeted Greed and got BTSC with them, but didn't tell me who greed was, but I had suspicion it was Dennis.

Step up Jack. You're talking mad shit buddy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:24 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:01 pm oh seanzie pretty much made it blatantly obvious he was checking me

if he was a desperado then I'm obviously the check so

And you keep doing stuff like this, making dubious claims to mechanical cred.

Seanzie was obviously not a day desperado or else 1) he’d have said so and 2) he’d have killed during the day previously.

So it just comes across as you trying to lie your way clear.

he was cleared for me when Kate was outed, maybe reread that whole thing to clarify for yourself. Seanzie did the legwork but Mac observed. He didn't need to out his tracking but he did to the benefit of the town.

I’ll check it again but at the time, it felt like Mac unnecessarily piling on for cred.

Jack, I outed my information first. Seanzie reacted to me outing it. What the hell are you even talking about? You are literally making stuff up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:49 pm YOURE ALL EGREGIOUS

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:01 pm oh seanzie pretty much made it blatantly obvious he was checking me

if he was a desperado then I'm obviously the check so

And you keep doing stuff like this, making dubious claims to mechanical cred.

Seanzie was obviously not a day desperado or else 1) he’d have said so and 2) he’d have killed during the day previously.

So it just comes across as you trying to lie your way clear.

he was cleared for me when Kate was outed, maybe reread that whole thing to clarify for yourself. Seanzie did the legwork but Mac observed. He didn't need to out his tracking but he did to the benefit of the town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:05 am I'lll target Mac tomorrow.

wait nvm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:01 pm oh seanzie pretty much made it blatantly obvious he was checking me

if he was a desperado then I'm obviously the check so

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:15 pm We are in World 1

In world 1 everything is just easy and fun

In world 1 the following players are town

Rondo for setup solving
Thunal for wim and hard solving
Nanook for being super towny and probably never killing Zenon
Seanzie for teabagging 2 sins
Jack because he "self confirms" and wolves never claim to do that (do they? lol)

Who else is level 1 AN TOWNIE?

Ftr, what happened to your townread on me from yesterday?

he is saying you are town. What is this about?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:39 pm Jack like...

I know getting annoyed at being scumread is bad and lame. But it'd an involuntary thing. And I cringe at myself when it happens.

When I'm mafia I don't care that much about it cuz it kind of helps me with like "why is Mac still alive arguments". A couple of town tinfoil enthusiasts pushing me as mafia is kind of helpful.

But when I'm town it's just annoying, and disruptive. When I am townreading someone and they're pushing me for hairbrained tinfoil while I'm solving, and I am a self resolving PR. It just really annoys me. No matter how much I try to navigate it with my dignity in tact I just struggle to.

I know it's like fakeable for me as mafia to pretend to be annoyed but I don't actually like being a toxic jerk so I really just tend not to as a wolf anymore.

You can check my champs g3 iso. I didn't lose my coop once. Check the SMAS iso and you can see how annoyed I was with the vigi threatening me day 1.

I love ya, bud, but I’m not interested in this. I don’t get anything good out of you talking about yourself.

That's unusually dismissive from you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:39 pm Jack like...

I know getting annoyed at being scumread is bad and lame. But it'd an involuntary thing. And I cringe at myself when it happens.

When I'm mafia I don't care that much about it cuz it kind of helps me with like "why is Mac still alive arguments". A couple of town tinfoil enthusiasts pushing me as mafia is kind of helpful.

But when I'm town it's just annoying, and disruptive. When I am townreading someone and they're pushing me for hairbrained tinfoil while I'm solving, and I am a self resolving PR. It just really annoys me. No matter how much I try to navigate it with my dignity in tact I just struggle to.

I know it's like fakeable for me as mafia to pretend to be annoyed but I don't actually like being a toxic jerk so I really just tend not to as a wolf anymore.

You can check my champs g3 iso. I didn't lose my coop once. Check the SMAS iso and you can see how annoyed I was with the vigi threatening me day 1.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:55 pm [VOTE: Vote Dennis] aubergine

Nervous about numbers given everything but hey, 1 yesterday, 1 today, 1 last night. We're doing okay.

I am hoping for a lot more from you after I seen what you can actually do as town, I want it again.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:05 am I'lll target Mac tomorrow.

After he claimed to have the clear, so I don't think he targeted Mac.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:04 am Is there a sort of...thread consensus POE so I can prioritize ISOs? I've only really looked at flips and where I was mentioned (will get to that shortly), and I skimmed end of D2 last night.

Dennis is outed. We are looking for more baddies. My eyes are on Nook. I am wary of Falcon and Roxy. People like Jack and Epi deserve more scrutiny IMO, but idk if this is consensus, but I am town KING, so what I say, goes.

I looked for the possible clear targets and I think Sean targeted me. He doesn't have me in his PoE when he did before and the only thing he said relating to me after he claimed the clear was asking Mac about me which I thought was a little odd since Mac said so many words on me at SoD.

I feel like he knew he was going to die, but didn't know exactly when. His whole "I'm on a rampage" makes sense if it's tongue in cheek and he knows he's going to die from the check/desperado.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:35 pm Also I think Rondo's recent posts are a decent look. Him going after Mac now by sheeping Seanzie would just be a bad play if he were. Same with tinfoiling Seanzie being a hero shot, if he's bad why attract that much attention on a far fetched theory that will not be received well?

Rn Nanook, Epi, Roxy, and Falcon are my immediate PoE other than Dennis.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:13 amBrutal

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:04 am Is there a sort of...thread consensus POE so I can prioritize ISOs? I've only really looked at flips and where I was mentioned (will get to that shortly), and I skimmed end of D2 last night.

Dennis is outed. We are looking for more baddies. My eyes are on Nook. I am wary of Falcon and Roxy. People like Jack and Epi deserve more scrutiny IMO, but idk if this is consensus, but I am town KING, so what I say, goes.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:09 am

A SHOT RINGS OUT

A knock wrapped on the heavy wooden door. Martin looked up from his notepad to see the friendly profile of the clerk, “I need to lock up soon, Martin. You almost finished in here?”

Martin batted sleep out of his eyes several times and checked his watch. “Oh crap, sorry Steiner, I’ll be a couple more minutes.”

“Okie dokie, if you wouldn’t mind heading out the back and lock the door behind you. Oh, and remember to turn off the overhead light this time,” the clerk chided playfully, and upon Martin agreeing, closed the door behind him.

Martin Talbot rubbed his eyes drearily. He’s been getting into a nasty habit recently after particularly short trials to hole himself away in a side office to get work done on the more complex cases. This John Doe case was particularly messy, and was a no-go until the detectives could pinpoint a suspect, which in and of itself seemed fruitless after so many days. So he kept himself busy with the smaller cases. If he kept himself busy, he wouldn’t have to play the losing battle of sleeping soundly at night- he would just pass out from exhaustion.

He was just turning his murky attention to a statute that applied to the case on the docket in the morning when he heard the latch of the door. Hyper-focused on transcribing the statute in his notepad, he didn’t think to look back, and just asked, “Steiner? You still around?”

With no response, Martin Talbot turned to a flash of a knife that connected with his jugular. He staggered back, blood all over his books, trying to get a hold of his assailant, but the assailant was already gone- out the back door.

The overhead lights weren’t turned off that night.

@Seanzie has died. He was

Spoiler: show

Martin Talbot, the DA



You are town. Eliminate all threats to town in order to win.

Do not vote for Seanzie in the poll

Spoiler: show

@Dennis
@DrWilgy
@Dubz
@Epignosis
@falcon45ca
@jackofhearts2005
@Macdougall
@Matahari
@Michelle
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@RondoDimBuckle
@Roxy
@S~V~S
@Thunal33

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:23 am tl;dr

Be mac
Be my absolutely regular mac self for the entire game
Hard claim my role unprovoked day 2 and help kill a deepwolf
Be literally confirmed tracker by Seanzie's own perspective
Amp up the wim to help town
Get voted by Rondo and Seanzie

Seanzie, is apparently a town cop, and apparently wishes to clear me instead of one of the 6 players in my POE. When I am the most mechanically clear person in the game.

And somehow Rondo thinks that participating in this nonsense is sane.

Yes, I buried Porscha day 1. Yes I was wrong. There has never been a game in which wolf Mac has been caught because he was the main person responsible for a town dying day 1. Not one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:15 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:53 pm Earlier, I was made to post in ways that alluded to the seven deadly sins.

If you will notice, my first post was lust, my second (to S~V~S) was envy, etc.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. I am free to post normally.

Do we really believe Epi had a curse? What if he was just trying to encourage the sins to signal to him?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm I'm voting MacDougall out of basic, angry revenge.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:43 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm The most annoying shit ever for me is when I put faith in myself I'm wrong and when I doubt myself I'm right and it literally makes playing mafia so frustrating.

Anyways I was right on Doom that's cool. Why the fuck did they kill Doom.

Fear kill.

I don't agree. My thinking is a redirection is in play.

Most of Epi's ISO is like, okay in a "this is standard Epi" way but these two posts on day 2 kind of stand out as being awkward for him. @Jackofhearts2005 @DrWilgy @S~V~S you probably have the most experience with him. These posts lack the curmudgeonliness I associate with town Epi. Like he seems a bit more proactive, in a not very good way?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm Someone messaged me to pocket Mac today.

Haha I will hurt you

Spoiler: show

because I'm John Doe

Ugh

you can't be serial?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:32 pm Ok I am about to drive to work BUT since I have Mac and Seanzie here AND Thunal and Jack had posted today. I doubt I am going to trap them in anything. Since Kate is now dead I am basically vanilla town. I have no more charges and I have targeted Thunal night one, she could not have performed the night kill. Jack could not have performed the night kill night two

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Dennis is outed baddie

DrWilgy is ...

Dubz ... was towny day 1, did they even post day 2? Where's Dubz? Someone was saying he was outed yesterday and I was assuming it was some sort of joke? Dubz got given a Zenon gift on n1 with three votes and then didn't even show up?

Epi is ...

falcon is ... alive ... which is weird

jack "self resolves" so is town

Mac is me, I am Mac

Matahari is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Michelle is ... I thought towny for the omgus day 1 but that's too generous. @Thunal33 why u clearin'?

Nanook ... probably wouldn't have killed Zenon and Zenon looks like a fairly clear John Doe kill to me? And he's all level 1 and whatever which is fine. Like whatever townread the guy.

Rondo is all setup solving and stuff and I just think he's town now cuz like why not (HE KNOWS TOO MUCH DONT TRUST HIM).

Roxy is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Seanzie teabags evil

S~V~S is a derpcleared IC

I looked at Thunal's ISO to see the thing I'm supposed to see to townread them and I couldn't find it but I'm townreading them now anyway


Sooooo

Thunal wants me to townread Michelle so fine.

Towncore

Thunal
Rondo
Nanook
SVS
Jack
Seanzie

Sussy baka list

Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

We have John Doe and 5 sins left.

There are 6 names there.

If your name is there and you can self clear with mech. Do it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:27 pm I am better than a cop. If I target you, I will learn your alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 pm Someone messaged me to pocket Mac today.

Haha I will hurt you

Spoiler: show

because I'm John Doe

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:15 pm We are in World 1

In world 1 everything is just easy and fun

In world 1 the following players are town

Rondo for setup solving
Thunal for wim and hard solving
Nanook for being super towny and probably never killing Zenon
Seanzie for teabagging 2 sins
Jack because he "self confirms" and wolves never claim to do that (do they? lol)

Who else is level 1 AN TOWNIE?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:57 pm Yes, we need to find John Doe, but given that Kate's role shows she wins as LMS if she didn't become mafia, I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that we need to eliminate all sins in addition to JD.

Wolfy as fuck bruv. Wolfy as fuck lol.

I, as the new president, speak on behalf of all town when I say that hell the fuck no am I comfortable with the idea of going after sins and not JD. You sound evil as shit. You evil?

Who said anything about not going after JD. I'm saying we can't win without eliminating both groups and Dennis fucking hardclaimed wolf.

Besides, I can self confirm so fuck off.

how are you self confirming?

Spoiler: show

brain.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:57 pm Yes, we need to find John Doe, but given that Kate's role shows she wins as LMS if she didn't become mafia, I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that we need to eliminate all sins in addition to JD.

Wolfy as fuck bruv. Wolfy as fuck lol.

I, as the new president, speak on behalf of all town when I say that hell the fuck no am I comfortable with the idea of going after sins and not JD. You sound evil as shit. You evil?