The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:04 pm GGs idk who won but you probably deserved it

Thanks, man. That means a lot to me.

Thanks for the game, Jay. Lovingly crafted and I’m a sucker for extra roles with safeclaims as a setup.

Gg town. Fist bump to LanMisa for the excellent performance. @Dunnstral you were fun let’s play again

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:09 pm Congrats Jack, Lan Misa, falcon!

Brad omg I was rooting so hard for you at the end. You named both of them but no one would listen, so sorry.

Everyone played a great game.

Y'all should all come to spec chat! I'll tell you what Jack's tell is

Is it jokes?

Woot

DADV?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:00 pm Normally I'd be able to ATE here and that would help massively in this situation but I just can't.

A T my E

Anybody got anything profound to say before we roll the dice on Lime?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 6:38 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:57 pm Bottom line, Chelsea and Brad have defended each other all game. They're the scummiest two players in the game. Now suddenly, at lylo, when literally everyone has at least one of them in their solve, they suddenly suspect each other more than anybody and suddenly, I'm supposed to think they could never be partners together?

Nah. They've been called out as partners for days. This is just distancing.

Okay think about it this way if we are paired Chelsea will be harder to kill because she's got more ability to argue as mafia and I care less as mafia so you should vote her out instead of me.

I think its easier to vote you out today since all my townreads are already voting you and which one of you goes first doesn't matter to me.

Bottom line, Chelsea and Brad have defended each other all game. They're the scummiest two players in the game. Now suddenly, at lylo, when literally everyone has at least one of them in their solve, they suddenly suspect each other more than anybody and suddenly, I'm supposed to think they could never be partners together?

Nah. They've been called out as partners for days. This is just distancing.

Like honestly, does anyone think any player has done anything TODAY that has drastically changed your opinion on them? If so, great. But they haven't for me.

Sorry. I've just been working my new job where I have to you know, actually do work. That's why I haven't been around. Everytime I check in, I don't see anything else new. I already did my isos. If I'm wrong, I just lose.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:42 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:23 pm Oh yeah

[VOTE: Brad] aubergine

Well, that came out of left field.

So with everyone voting Lime here we are either completely off course or Brad's being bussed.

I mean, I think it's Brad + Chelsea.

I guess that's the world view you need to sell here but how anyone can ever believe in the two of them being partnered here is a mystery to me.

Also, just for the record, are you the bussing type or do you prefer to save your partners?

Depends.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:23 pm Oh yeah

[VOTE: Brad] aubergine

Well, that came out of left field.

So with everyone voting Lime here we are either completely off course or Brad's being bussed.

I mean, I think it's Brad + Chelsea.

Oh yeah

[VOTE: Brad] aubergine

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:26 pm Although, if Jack thinks it's me and Brad so much he should have no problem sending Brad over soooo

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:42 pm I'll deal with all this tomorrow tonight just won't work for me

Can't wait.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:13 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:01 pm

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:30 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:39 pm Dunn, I hope that you come around to play more today, I could really need a hand here and we can't play a town down in this F5.

I am around.

I feel Chelsea if preparing for final 3 which makes me nervous. Lime Coke has given very little and I remember they were talking more earlier. Jack seems more towny to me.

I don't think that thinking about F3 is inherently wolfy if you are certain on one wolf but uncertain on another, it would only become an issue if Chelsea solely focused on that which I don't feel is the case here.

How would you rate the three of them right now, before Lime/Jack answer their questions? And who do you think we should vote out today?

I'm torn between voting for Chelsea or voting for Lime Coke

I'm going to say Lime Coke is worse because I don't know what their opinion is right now. They are feeling out Chelsea but I don't know who else they suspect or don't suspect.

So Lime Coke, and then Chelsea, and then Jack is my suspicion right now, and thinking we should vote out Lime Coke. But you said you don't think it's Lime Coke and Chelsea.

Well I think it’s Lime Coke and Chelsea.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:38 pm Lol, from what I can tell Brad didn't even manage to properly vote Sleep in the poll yesterday.

He did not.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:17 pm @Chelsea

Who is my stated partner now that Manny is dead?

Dunn>Brad atm but they can switch.

So I have you with Brad. Lan has me with Brad. You have me maybe with Brad, who used to be a lock townread but now isn’t. (Tbf, lylo.)

Brad is pinging you but with no stated scumteam iirc. And with a lock townread on you that is seemingly out the window?

BatmanTASsquint.gif

@Chelsea

Who is my stated partner now that Manny is dead?

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:36 pm

I voted sleep so no funny business could happen with moving votes, as it already seemed decided that we would be doing that (and it wouldn't cause us to lose)

To be clear, since you don't know me well, I was absolutely taking the piss with that picture.

I do generally think that sleeping at lylo doesn't do anything to help the town but I'm not like actually sore about people deciding to take the day.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:05 pm Alright guys.

I have 3 cups.

A ball is inside one of the cups.

I'm going to shuffle the cups around.

Which cup is the ball in?

fuck

Lol I got an extra post by posting before Jay could get the postcounts

RIP. Not super surprising fmpov. Not gonna call it validating cause like wifom.

Cowards, all of ya. >:-(

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:47 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:35 pm

LanMisa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:13 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:01 pm What are your most pressing concerns with my slot by the way? I don't think I've seen much said about why I'm a wolf besides my lack of good falcon interactions. While you know my opinion on that is there anything else?

For most of the game I liked some individual posts of yours, but I also felt a lot like you were... holding back? Like there was more in terms of depth, volume, I dunno, that you could have shown but didn't. As a result I mostly had you in the null with towny tendencies area.

I did not like how the exchange with Mac went yesterday and said as much but with Mac flipping 3P and Mac very obviously fighting for survival (and nothing else) I feel like I need to discard everything from that exchange, maybe. It also happened before my getting sick day so admittedly I didn't do a lot of backreading since then.

I want to be frank that this is mostly POE. If I had to rate you, Lime and Jack in terms of confidence that they may flip wolf right now I... think I'd say, from most to least:

Lime>Jack>>>you

Jack and Lime kind of switched positions due to Lime's play today and since I find it odd that nobody seems to be interested in Lime anyways. I still don't feel like Manny's world of you and Lime holds much water due to how D2 played out. Jack is... apparently throwing shit at everything but at least Jack IS doing something.

In terms of teambuilding I once again don't see any world that doesn't contain Jack though... my most probable world would be Jack/Lime. Would also check out with Jack pushing both you and me in some way or capacity all day. I could still see Jack/you with some heavy distancing and an attempt to win F3 or F5 after Manny died during the night, though. But the former seems more likely to me right now.

To say I've been holding back is correct. As a villager, my biggest weakness is getting my point across in a way that gets people to follow or at least listen to my opinion on a topic. So, a lot of times I simply don't go the extra mile or step if you will? I'll state my thought and then leave it at that because my brain auto goes to "what's the point of explaining further" when I don't think people will listen.

Mac being 3p makes sense and I think his reads need to highly be taken with a grain of salt considering we know how flipped a lot of them (look at Epi) depending on who he had primed and was trying to get killed. Do I think all his reads were bad? No, but they certainly were motivated. If you have more stuff on Mac I can go on and talk about it but I don't like talking to Mac when he goes full "Me me me" mode because it doesn't seem productive.

Regarding Mac's reads, I'm pretty sure they were shielding the players they had primed already. Creature and TonyStarkPrime. That likely warped the rest of their reads as they had to townread those two.

Popping in.

But Mac didn’t even townread Creature. He pushed to yeet him for some reason, I guess to get out of dodge.

Okay bye.

I have a fucking team building thing until like right before eod

LanMisa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:43 am

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:57 am @LanMisa

i dont think sleep here is a good idea anymore
because either chelsea is a wolf and we kill them today
or chelsea is a town and we the game is already lost regardless of wether we sleep or not

I see you, Manny. I still think that it's unwise to go for an elimination here in general unless you get everyone on board with it, and with Dunnstral still missing I'm not an optimist.

As I said earlier I can potentially see Chelsea as a wolf but from the trio of Jack/Lime/Chelsea I still think that she's the towniest of all three. Her frustration with you earlier felt genuine at the very least.

If this is still what you want to force through at the time I need to go to bed later then I will lend you my vote (and I won't blame you either if it's Lime/Jack, Mafia is just a game, after all) but I don't feel like voting Chelsea right now.

Based on what?

Like I feel like the case is right there, obvious af but you aren’t moved. Nobody is moved.

Like I’m almost insulted on how blatantly wolfy Chelsea’s push on me is.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:52 pm [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

That last post is all I needed to see. If Jack ever believed the world was Me/Lan they'd be talking to Manny/Brad because let us say that world is correct? You never win that world because both of the scum team is pocketing someone. Like, I would force Brad to vote Sleep here

Lan would try to get Manny to vote Sleep here.

Jack has to realize these worlds exist it's not rocket science.

Yet all he's doing is trying to push a narrative to discredit the two of us because all he needs is Manny to hard tunnel on me + 1 more for the tie break. You're not wolf hunting you're narrative pushing.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:54 pm We need to 5-1 a vote because the only time a 4-2 works is if both wolves are the 2. Because we know the tiebreaker will just make it so we auto lose. Quite frankly, that's why everyone voting sleep is better however considering everyone minus Manny and Jack has expressed interest in voting Jack I don't mind this as the second option over sleep.

@Manny @Dunnstral


You’re reading this, right?

Chelsea’s case on me in summary.

1) If Jack’s second most likely theoretical scumteam is correct, he’d need to be talking to…two players he has pinged a bunch of times today. But he’s not (even though I am) ergo wolf.


2) If Lan was a wolf, he’d try to convince Manny to vote sleep (ergo Jack should know Lan is town?) Ergo Jack is a wolf. I’m not gonna pretend I follow this exactly but…Lan is voting sleep.

3) Instead of…something, Jack is pushing a narrative to discredit Chelsea + Lan. Ergo Jack is a wolf. lol I don’t even have Chelsea + Lan as my solve? What is this? I just keep naysaying ridiculous points about Lan that Chelsea puts forward. And honestly? I’ve felt silly doing it. Like I didn’t put forth the idea that Lan didn’t dumb tell himself town by not knowing how a role that isn’t even in this game works cause I’m desperate to discredit LanMisa. I said it because it’s obviously true. Like that’s such a stupid reason to clear someone, it needs to be shot down regardless of who the wolfteam is. Saying true things is not “pushing a narrative.”

Like this is just flat nonsense. It’s two points that are factually wrong and then the most ridiculous stretch of imagination that Jack denying obviously wrong clears on a player he isn’t trying to yeet means he’s making an agenday push on the player he’s not trying to yeet?

This isn’t a case from a townie on someone they think is a wolf. It’s a case on a wolf who shot poe players specifically to get a “why are consensus townreads still alive” yeets and when that failed, the wolf wholesale made up a case on the most consensus sus townie and went “come oooooon everybody suspects Jack, right?”

Guess you forgot the most important thing about me, you furry little hee ho. When im a townie, I’m unyeetable and I can smell agenda in pushes on me.

That’s not a case. It’s legit “this is my most likely misyeet.” Your fuzzy little tail is showing.

You’re seeing this, right @Lime Coke @LanMisa?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:52 pm [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

That last post is all I needed to see. If Jack ever believed the world was Me/Lan they'd be talking to Manny/Brad because let us say that world is correct? You never win that world because both of the scum team is pocketing someone. Like, I would force Brad to vote Sleep here

Lan would try to get Manny to vote Sleep here.

Jack has to realize these worlds exist it's not rocket science.

Yet all he's doing is trying to push a narrative to discredit the two of us because all he needs is Manny to hard tunnel on me + 1 more for the tie break. You're not wolf hunting you're narrative pushing.

There it is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:30 pm Ftr, I think Lan/Chelsea is waaaaay more likely than Lan/Lime.

In that the nks line up with the Chelsea “there are wolves in Manny/Dunn/Lan” worldview and Lan being a wolf doesn’t really stop Chelsea from pushing there and Lan is big on the sidelines like “I’m just gonna vote sleep probably” and can easily be a swing vote (timezones aside).

Whereas if it’s Lan/Lime idk why they didn’t just shoot Manny. Lime does go into the same wolves in Manny/Dunn/Lan theory but quickly removed Lan from that pack. Which idk that’s almost too obvious.

Ftr, I think Lan/Chelsea is waaaaay more likely than Lan/Lime.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:08 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:09 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:04 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:03 pm I've literally openly said I am not locked on town Brad multiple times this game gtfo

words dont mean nothing, actions do.
u havent even come close to voting him and u've been steadfast on thinking he's rand!v. u might've said u aren ot locked on it but u might aswell be.

Quit moving the goalpost to try and fit your narrative adding an "okay but-" to the end of your statements doesn't make you look at better. Just because I've attempted to reconsider and came to a "i still believe in my original read" is entirely different than what you're trying to present.

I've said multiple times "What am I missing?" "What is Brad missing?" I've given multiple opportunities to not just you anyone to point out where exactly we are getting snowed from either POV because I wanted to see the reasoning behind the statement and the closest we got (and even this is generous) is saying "Brad is not out his wolf meta and Chels likes to pocket"

What exactly are you expecting to happen when you both you and Lan are in f6 saying "trust" on your read on each other while providing no reason to believe in that trust. Every single wagon has been on a villager. Let me repeat that:

Every single wagon has been on a villager falcon was only outted due to a result. There is no way you should come in f6 and still throw your hands up and go with the reads you've had all game. Especially when you're not giving reasons to outside sources.

This game is still winnable but if there is no effort to work together then what's the point? It should from a state of being together and if it's wrong so be it not a state of wait until DL to compromise like it's gonna be.

Right now I agree with Lanmisa that it is likely to be Jackofhearts and one of you or Lime Coke. That or I think you and Lime Coke together maybe. If you think it is Lanmisa I am open to hearing reasons, I feel you have thrown shade at them but only to say that it could be me and Lanmisa together

If it’s me and Chelsea, help me bus Chelsea.

Lmk when you’ve caught up to how nks make zero sense for Jack/X but make a lot of sense for Chelsea/Lime.

Yeah, there's not really an indication of who Epi targetted and what result he got in his iso. He gives a few reads but since he explicitly can't see fatal actions, we can't even guess that his scumreads have anything to do with his ability.

Yeah, this isn't helpful at all (gives a townread on LanMisa and Lime ftr) but it is really fucking funny.

loooooool @Epignosis

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:44 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:16 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:14 am Refresh me on your Epi wolfread Manny?

They have a grand total of 0 townie or productive posts.
ngl i wouldnt be shocked if they still flip town anyways but i see no point in not resolving the slot.

Says to refer back to post 909.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:38 pm

omg it's a 5 min vocaroo

oh wait we had a poison healer. That implies wolves might have a poisoner but the poison was healed yeah?

Fiends

Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be poisoned. They will not be informed of their poisoning. If they are not provided with an antidote during the following night phase, they will die (that is, if a player is poisoned on Night 1 and is not provided an antidote, they will die at the end of Night 2).

Separately, once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. If that player is poisoned, they will be cured.

Or got yeeted/blown up before the poison went into effect.

Still don't think not knowing about the poison mechanics really means anything for anyone's alignment but like....there is a VERY small chance that the mafia poisoner is alive and poisoned someone last night and voting sleep causes town to lose. Js.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:01 am

Manny wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:29 am mfw this day is a waiting game for dunn and they still havent popped back up

Yeah, I feel like we really need Dunn here for us to proceed.

Where's your head at rn, Lan?

Reminder that a wolf role we DO know is in the game has a tiebreaking ability.

So if we rand between [player] and sleep, we are essentially yeeting [player]. If they're town, wolves yeet them ftw. If they're a wolf, they survive and are red peeked and we get them tomorrow for free.

My gut says it's better to either sleep or yeet Chelsea than tie between Chelsea and sleep but when I started to go into it, it gave me a headache and it's such a corner case, it isn't really worth thinking about it.

Bottom line, I don't think that Lan's reading or not reading about a role that isn't in the game has anything to do with his alignment.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:23 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:23 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:53 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:52 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:51 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:48 pm Dunn has to be one though, right?

Why do we think town there?

He could be.

Do you think Lan/Jack interactions are never W/W? Jack did have Lan like near last on their reads list the entire game and almost never went on about it. Seems pretty good.

Could...be I hesitated on Lan super hard because I was looking at night kill reads and Scotty calling Lan town.

Jack...idfk.

Scotty's biggest reads were Jack wolf Lan town I can vouch for that.

If I use basic logic and assume the thread spew is proper about Manny it's 1 in Dunn/Brad 1 in Lan/Jack but I'll wait to explore that angle more later.

If Lan is a wolf they've dumbtold extremely hard about how wolf acts esp the poisoner.

What means this?

Lan talked about how the poison here doesn't work the same way as MU and I didn't realize that myself until I took a look.

Obviously, as mafia, you'd know how it'd work.

I thought wolves didn't even have a poison because two kills N1 meant they had a different extra kp role and like....we haven't seen anyone poisoned? Right?

I mean, the setup doesn't explicitly say "wolves have one extra kp role" but I'd expect there was some balancing behind # of wolves, wolf extra kp and maybe which sk got randed (cause the two shot poisoner sk seemed way weaker than the other ones when I glanced at it earlier). Then again, the arsonist didn't work how I thought it did cause I thought if Mac killed Scotty, that meant that he had zero other ppl doused in gas or primed to explode or whatever the terminology is but then he killed Tony and Creature the following night.

I guess I'm dumbtelling I'm not Mac.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:22 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:52 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:51 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:48 pm Dunn has to be one though, right?

Why do we think town there?

He could be.

Do you think Lan/Jack interactions are never W/W? Jack did have Lan like near last on their reads list the entire game and almost never went on about it. Seems pretty good.

Could...be I hesitated on Lan super hard because I was looking at night kill reads and Scotty calling Lan town.

Jack...idfk.

Didn't Mac kill Scotty anyway?

Oh...did he?

Pretty sure Mac killed Scotty and the wolves killed LC in the same night but you can double check that.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:13 pm Thank you as you can tell this game is STRESSFUL and I can use all the help I can get.

Have you tried prozac?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:53 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:52 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:51 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:48 pm Dunn has to be one though, right?

Why do we think town there?

He could be.

Do you think Lan/Jack interactions are never W/W? Jack did have Lan like near last on their reads list the entire game and almost never went on about it. Seems pretty good.

Could...be I hesitated on Lan super hard because I was looking at night kill reads and Scotty calling Lan town.

Jack...idfk.

Scotty's biggest reads were Jack wolf Lan town I can vouch for that.

If I use basic logic and assume the thread spew is proper about Manny it's 1 in Dunn/Brad 1 in Lan/Jack but I'll wait to explore that angle more later.

If Lan is a wolf they've dumbtold extremely hard about how wolf acts esp the poisoner.

What means this?